/HRTGen/ HRT General 021: My semen is now clear eddition

>>7603128

Ah yes. Ranma started all this bullshit.

>>7603181
Whos that?

>>7603194
for real nigga?

>>7603128
Should I bother going on progesterone if I've been on HRT for 5+ years, have somewhere between a B and C cup, and not suffering from a case of conetits?

>>7603128
>not always having had clear semen
This is why men shouldn't take HRT

>>7603207
>having clear semen before hrt
um... you might want to get yourself checked.

>>7603350
I think she means that she didn't masturbate before HRT? I didn't.

>>7603205
Yes take progesterone, just as long as you are not on an alpha reductase inhibitor like dutas or finasteride

>>7603356
ah well i learned to masturbate by trying to put my soft willy inside my and rub it like a clit

t. trutrans

>>7603350
>starting hrt after puberty
Get ur self checked

>>7603128
whats progesterone and should I be on it?

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>>7603375
I did, my T is nuked and i have ovulation levels of estrogen :)

>>7603389
because it helps breast growth and stuff

>>7603394
"Sex: M"

Lol get that shit handled. That would fuck me up every time.

>>7603358
But why? Are there any benefits aside from breast growth? I'm questioning whether I'd even get any growth because I started so young and it's been so long.

>>7603436
well some people have also reported skin and fat distribution improvements from progesterone, it does usually make you gain weight too, and sometimes there are mood and sexdrive effects aswell.

i wouldn't worry about your time on hrt, since in cis female puberty progesterone doesn't increase in levels till a few years after estrogen

>>7603451
Hm, okay. So, would it be better to cycle or to take it every day? How do I determine the correct dosage? Would I have to continue taking it to keep the effects, or can you stop at a certain point?

>>7603474
You would normally start on a standard dose and then check blood tests to see if your levels are good, from what ive heard its common to take a large dose via injection once a month. and yeh you would have to keep taking it to keep it effects

>>7603394
What dosages are you on, and of what?

Do you need to fast for this test?

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php

>>7603526
so i'll have to take progesterone for the rest of my life if i dont want to lose progress?

>>7603417

It's called a reality check.

>>7603724
Have fun getting clocked by your ID whenever you want a drink then, I guess?

Buying bicalutamide for a friend (i.e. billing address and shipping address will be different), using a debit card. What website should I use?

>>7603194
saotome ranma senpai

>>7603205
You can start progesterone whenever, the breast effects are independent of HRT and not permanent. If you stop progesterone again, they'll shrink back to previous size

>>7603358
>just as long as you are not on an alpha reductase inhibitor like dutas or finasteride
Oh shit, why not? Does that mean I shouldn't take cypro and finasteride together?

>>7603394
>1991
>sex: M
LOL no u didn't bro

Shit.

So I forgot to get more hormones in time and it's going to be 1-2 weeks before I can get more. What are the repercussions of this?

>>7603738
Are you hoping to pick up a bartender or something? It only matters if you're an autistic faggot or live in Saudi Arabia. The whole world doesn't have to buy into your delusions.

>>7603358
Anon I'm gonna need you to elaborate on why progesterone and fin is a bad idea

I ordered several months worth of pills, 50mg cyproterone and 2mg progynova. What's the recommended way to start and whats the typical daily doses?

>>7603827
inhousepharmacy if they have it

>>7606612
inhouse doesnt take visa does it?

>>7606602
Purple and green

>>7606533
>progesterone and fin
5-alpha reductase inhibitors prevent the conversion of progesterone into neurosteroid metabolites like allopregnanolone, which have important and wide-reaching effects on the brain reflected in mood and emotional/psychological/psychiatric state.
When progesterone is taken with 5-alpha reductase inhibitors, then, the P/E ratio is too high, and the excess circulating P is converted into extra estradiol instead which can indirectly produce negative mood effects that 'run rampant' in the absence of enough P metabolites affecting the natural neurochemical mechanisms that regulate GABA activity, which is important for balancing this out and regulating neurotransmission that leads to mood symptoms, overall feelings of well-being and the like.

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Why do I bother?

>>7606705
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php

>>7606705
Kek

>>7606521
If I was in WA, I would be worried.

>>7606705
>type "diy"
>type "check levels"
>surprised to get mechanical results
this is your brain on HRT

>>7606612
inhouse doesn't allow debit cards

>>7604650
24yo is still trutrans
its a scientific fact.

>>7607947
e-check is pretty easy

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Alright, so my dick broke. I need to make sure my relationship isn't destroyed. Which one do you prfer? Cialis or Viagra? Which one has the least side effects? Which one can I self med without getting wrekt by T? I know buying online sometimes is just buying T pills.

I am currently on 50 mg Bicalutamide and 6 mg Estradiol a day.

>>7608127
if you were born in 1991, you're either 26 or 25 turning 26

>>7608497
Why do you need an erection for

>>7608667

Some of us are tops, some of us identify as male, some of us are transbians, etc.

People take hormones for different reasons.

>>7603128

Ranma is a cute! CUTE!

>>7608506
blood test was last year when i was still 24 :D

t. late to the party trutrans

>>7603128
my therapist told me she has a patient that uses hormones & possibly blockers from Thailand?? & the patient claims them to be more effective? Thoughts? anyone hear of this?

>>7608881
i thought in Thailand they just use cheap birth control pills because they cant afford real hrt

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>tfw you realize you won't know what to do with your hormone level results when you get them back

>>7608953
lol, just see if estrogen and testosterone are female range, if they in range its all good, if not, adjust dose accordingly

>>7608982
but im already taking 50mg of cypro what do i do if my test isn't nuked

>>7608866
>t. late to the party trutrans
thats an oxymoron

where does qhi ship their meds from?

>>7608990
you double your dose obviously, how is this even a question?

>>7609013
>oxymoron
na, it means making it to the trutrans party late, like just before the party ended and the AGP party began

>>7609960
London

ive been on 50mg of bica for a few months and it seems to be weaker than spiro

>>7603128
What is a good place to buy progesterone in Europe?
QHI doesn't list it.

how do i take blood tests in finland to check these hormone levels

as far as i know and have experienced they always ask for your ID and shit

questions about self medding in Australia..

If I get these delivered to me in Australia, should I worry about customs taking and destroying my product because I don't have a prescription?

>>7615416
i live in finland and im ordering from qhi

just take the plunge like i did

i dont know whats gonna happen but i did it anyway

>>7615113
thats the only thing im worrying right now

>>7615416
Hey! i live in WA, ive never had a problem ordering from IHP, they normally pack a little fake prescription in the box with it too lol

I have 3 bottles of spiro, two still sealed, all expired in December

shall I use the opened until they've run out, then move onto the sealed bottles
or throw away the opened bottle and use the sealed ones before they expire further?

So bicalutamide really does block dht, right? I've done some research and know that flutamide is better for reversing hairloss than cypro/spiro and also better at reducing body hair, but I've also read bica is less likely to stick to androgen receptors than dht and that it also raises dht levels by 24%. Also, bicalutamide from alldaychemist is legit, right?

>>7608881
It's bullshit.

Will taking cypro and finasteride together help with hair loss?

>>7615440
Ooooh, really? That sneaky. Thanks for sharing this, helps reassure me!

>>7615632
Cypro + E alone helped mine.

>>7615665
How long did it take before it started working?

Does HRT actually change your sexuality or is it all a meme?

>>7615790
well considering sexuality is pretty much hormonal i can imagine there being changes

>>7615790
I'm still craving dicks

>>7615685
I didn't have it too bad, but I got back some hairs in the recessed areas in the first month, then around 6-7 months they progressed some more. I'm at 8 months of HRT so I'm kinda hopeful of my hairline improving even further.

>>7615790
ya i would say definitely, before hrt i though in only liked women. but now i realize i was actually asexual back then, the feels i get from estrogen are like nothing i had before.

I realy want to get fucked and dominated by a guy, and i want to suck on dick and drink the semen:D

I honestly thought i was going to be a tranbian before hrt, i never expected this lol

Hey
Can't buy meds for now (still with my parents for a couple of months), so is there any way to reduce T the most I could?
I feel like it is fucking my body day after day.

>>7616011
order to poste restante

>>7616011
inject your testicles with calcium chloride

>>7616014
>poste restante
wait what thats a thing????

>>7616026
yeah i'm in the exact same situation as you

i've ordered plenty of shit to poste restante

only downside really is that i have to go ask if i have any shit for me

is it true that hrt shrinks feet

i have size 39 EU right now (i dunno 38 might fit as well 39 feel a little loose) so will it do anything

does breast massage help with growth?

I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.

>>7616280
Mostly a meme. You can loose a bit but you won't go 3 size down.

>>7616357
yeah i dont think i'll get size 35 EU lmao

>>7616280
no u autist.

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I started hrt today, why should I look in to progesterone after 6 months? And where can you order estrogen injections?

Also is there a list of medications that can be dangerous when taking hrt? liek I know nicotine is bad but will my antidepressants have any interference with hrt?

>>7616407
just b urself

>>7616407
look up drug interactions between your choice of hrt and the medicines you take.

>>7616407
Injections can be bought from qhi but they're like 200$
Breddy much every oral valerate can cause blood clots and you should be careful with Spiro. Drink enough water and avoid high potassium food.
Alcohol should be avoided too.
Blood tests are important.
>>7616439
Where?

>>7616448
Any estrogen can cause blood clots ya dingus.

>>7616448
google senpai

>>7616280
i had 44 EU and now 43.5 after almost 16 months
it can happen to some extent but to expect a lot is unreasonable

>>7616484
Even injections?

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>>7616448
>Blood tests are important.
How often do I do these?

And Im not taking spyro just cypro and progy

>>7616448
what can I do to avoid blood clots on cypro and progy?

I've been on HRT for 3 years, my blood levels are ok, yet so far I haven't noticed any decrease in body hair and recently my facial (upper lip) hair started turning black and is now visible even after shaving. What the fuck is going on? Is it possible that my body is androgen sensitive and I should increase my cypro dose?

Looking for hair removal advice!
>How well/long do the effects of waxing work?
>Experiences/Prices/Effectiveness or electrolysis for the entire face/neck/jaw?

I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.


I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.


I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.


I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.


I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.


I've been hormones for three months but I'm unsure if I should do my tests yet.

I was on spiro+e for two months, but for three weeks I was rationing my HRT because I didn't have money to order more.

Now I've been on cypro for two weeks and I'm unsure if I should wait another month or just do the tests now.

>>7617916
Are you okay?

>>7617916
um... you might want to get tested...for dementia

>progy out of stock at QHI
kill me

If my hrt consisted of cypro and progy last month, can I simply start taking bica and estrofem starting this month? Or will that have bad effects on my health?

>>7615096
Bump

>>7621432
I bought it all :^)

Hi!
How did you all started with the medicine and stuff?
Is there something important i need to look after?

I can almost never insert the needle at the right angle (currently I'm using a 1.25 inch one), so would it be a good idea to switch to a longer one (1.5 inch) just in case? What are the potential risks of using a longer needle for a thigh injection?

>>7626702
Check out this
http://www.bumc.bu.edu/endo/clinics/transgender-medicine/guidelines/
Although it would be best to go to a doctor if it's a viable option for you.

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What you people are doing is unhealthy and unnatural. Cherish what nature has gifted you.

is 25mg bica enough?

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>>7627155
Stop trying to ruin this, I need femboys and t-girls to bang on weekends.

>>7625580
m e a n i e

I think all the cute anime traps are tricking retards into thinking they'll be cute too. Leading to them ruining their lives with hormones.

QUIT IT

>>7627753
how can one know if hormones will help them or not?

>>7627155
The only thing nature has gifted me is a miserable life full of suffering, nature can either take it back or I'll do with it as I please.

>>7627155
Nature gifted me a dysfunctional brain, my actions were determined from the beginning.

nice fucking recolour

"If you are a femboy or want to reduce tit growth, at the third month start taking either raloxifene or tamoxifen"

Not on anything rn, want to be a femboy, has anybody actually done this? Sounds too good to be true imo

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So I started cypro, which nuked my T to 11 ng/dL which is great. I've been taking over the past month and a half.

The bad side is my E, which used to be a whopping 78, is now a mere 27 pg/mL.

Is that bad? Could my body have changed over the months of insufficient E? Please help, this sucks so bad.

I meet with my endocrinologist in early february but is there anything I can do in the meantime? Do I need to take any emergency measures?

>>7629848
Double e dosage
How much do you currently take?

>>7629896
4mg.
my greatest anxiety is the possibility of irreversible masculinization in the months that i was off spiro and on cypro.

>>7615096
Bump

>>7627653
Who knows? It varies between people and takes 3 months or 24 hours to reach effect depending on who you ask

I just started hrt today, I was started on 50 mg spiro twice per day and .5 mg estradiol twice a day, under tongue. I was told I could increase in a month, is that what is normally done?

On another note they, needed to console me and the pharmacist had no idea why I was suppose to take them under my tongue, let alone why I was taking them in the first place.

I ordered from qhi on the 9th, they finally shipped my order the 16th, now it's the 24th and I still don't have my meds. Could it have been stopped at customs because I'm in the US and ordered cypro?

>>7633537
You have only waited 8 days? It takes around a month normally after it's been shipped

>>7629769
I'm trying this, but even just on estrogen alone I had fast tit growth, so starting in the third month is a bad idea. Instead I am going to try cypro at 50mg for 2 weeks to a month depending on its side effects and progressively lower the dosage, while cycling raloxifene and estrogen and trying to work out the optimal days on and off the respective feminiser.

>>7633537
Did you use their tracked shipping?
I use their tracked shipping every time and the longest it's taken for me is 14 days. Shortest is 11. A friend in the same state (Alaska) just got their first order in 11 days, doing tracked shipping at my advice.

They may or may not give you a tracking number but that stuff arrives to me faster than it seems to for everyone who doesn't. Worth the few extra dollars IMO.

>>7635558
Also, that's 11 days from placing the order. They're always late to say they've shipped it out.

>>7634681
People have done it, pester /femgen/ hard for some testimony.

Also raloxifene has been used by steroid users to not get manboobs for many years, very successfully. I know a guy who has been taking it daily for years to great effect.

>>7603128
Is frying estrogen receptors just a meme? pls tell me its just a liar to scare us out of self medding

>>7635666
Yes it's 100% meme.

Spiro or bica?

>>7635891
cypro.
Or bica if you care about testosterone production in case you want to go back and/or care about you being non sterile

>>7635924
This.
Cypro is king in regards to nuking your balls and test production.

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Is cypro meant to be taken once or twice a day? At what point should you decrease your dose to 12.5mg?

Is there any evidence that Estrofem/Estrace is better than Progy? Do any of the online vendors sell a generic form?

>>7636818
>At what point should you decrease your dose to 12.5mg?
Decrease your dose once you know your testosterone is within female range, and then do another blood test to confirm.

I'm on 50mg of cypro right now.

If my test is nuked should I lower it to 25mg?

I don't wanna spend $60 dollars again in another month to get another bloodtest though :(

>>7636818
>Is cypro meant to be taken once or twice a day?
The half life is super long so there's no reason to take it twice a day.

>>7637020
If you can't get blood tests then stay on the safe side. However, considering you'd be paying half price for cypro forevermore if the lower dose works, in the long term it's worth it to just test your blood. Make sure you do it after a reasonable length of time though (over a month after switching, at least), and preferably get another blood test several months after that.

>>7637094
I just got my bloodwork done today so I'll see what my levels are in the few days. I was originally gonna take my tests every three months so 1 month is a little expensive for me.

>>7629769
bump

>>7615814
>sexuality is pretty much hormonal
then how come giving gay men testosterone don't make 'em straight

>>7636818
Take it only once a day, full dose all at once.

Personally I lowered the dose to 25mg at 4 months and then to 12.5mg at 9 months or so but I also had over two years of spiro under my belt before making the switch.

I'd give lowering the dose a shot at 6 months or when your test seems thoroughly nuked.

>>7636818
>>7637776 here again
Progynova is totally fine and in my experience it gives better results than estrofem. I think this is because progynova lasts longer in the blood and also because estradiol valerate in progynova is more potent than estradiol hemihydrate in estrofem.

The only benefit to estrofem is it skips the liver mostly, but that really doesn't matter considering the liver strain is low as hell to begin with. IMO estrofem is a waste of money. 4mg/day of it did worse than 10mg/5 days of estradiol valerate injections, which doesn't do as well as 4mg/day of progynova for me.

My qhi order has shipped! How long to expect it to arrive to the usa?

>>7637800
If you did regular shipping, around a month.
If you did tracked shipping, 11-15 days or so.

>>7637811
a month? wtf?

>>7637817
Most people seem to say it takes a month for it to get to them.

I do tracked shipping and get it in 11-15 days from the moment I place the order. I also live in Alaska so it does have to travel a good distance further than anyone else in the US pretty much.

Should be around a month from when you placed the order if it's not tracked shipping.

QHI might rarely give you the tracking number, but it does arrive fast regardless with the tracked shipping.

Also a month is about average for other hormone ordering sites. I've used IHP, ADC and QHI. IHP and ADC always took around a month.

>>7637839
adc took ten days for me from placing the order, i was scared to do tracked because it said i had to sign?

>>7637847
I had to sign all but one time.

That one time I had $215 or so worth of cypro sitting in my mailbox. If they send things out from their Singapore location watch out, it might not require signature. (for others I guess)

But yeah keep in mind I'm in Alaska so usually things do take longer to get to me. QHI is like the one thing that doesn't for some reason. Even someone else I know up here got their first shipment just recently in just 11 days. Nice stuff.

>>7637869
>>7637847
Oops, meant that signing thing for ADC.

QHI has always had me sign but I haven't been using them long. I'd rather have them sign than have it just sit in my mailbox.

Why are you afraid of signing? Parents or something?

>>7637874
>Parents or something
yeah
i went without the tracked shipping, which is also pretty terrifying because i don't know when it'll come..
it's all really stressful and even more disheartening that i'll likely run out of hormones before this package arrives

>>7637888
Could be under a month. At most expect a month or so from the date you ordered them, but maybe less.

Remember, QHI is always late to communicate when they shipped your package and it likely was shipped days earlier. They are kinda shitty with communication but they've always come through with the meds for me.

Next time you could try poste restante. Look it up. Basically lets you go to the post office and pick stuff up.

Also even if you run out you'll be fine. It happens to us all (self-medders) at some point or another.

Another option, if you're over 18, is a PO box.

>>7637888
Would it be better to skip a day every couple days rather then going days at the end without any horomones ?
I know nothing just wondering.

>>7637933
Sure, either that or cutting your daily dose down.

All up to you really.

How long might you be without anyway? If you continued at full dose.

Anyone here have any knowledge or experience of injecting cypro? Where can you even purchase cypro ampoules?

>>7638508
Good luck finding them. IIRC it's 150mg every 3 months? I'd have to look it up again, it's been a while.

I've read that Bica and Cypro have no chemical interactions, and Bica can't cross the blood-brain barrier (so your brain would still get T).

Could I possibly take Bica + Cypro together to nuke T and make sure it's not getting anywhere together?

>>7637800
used to take me about 3 weeks with regular shipping
im in europe btw

Throughout time, a mtf on hrt is not the same as a cis girl in terms of hormonal levels. The mtf has a constant and consistent supply of hormones given that they are taking the same supplements and dosage throughout their lifetime, whereas the cis girl's own body eventually gives in and produces less and less hormones. Does that mean mtfs show less visible aging than the cis girl?

>>7639602
It would be utterly pointless. Just take the cypro if you actually want to nuke your balls and have no test in you.

>tfw only one titty itches
what did it mean by this

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How easy is it to sneak these through canadian mail?

>>7640965
qhi is the only place that ships to canada afaik but they're pretty reliable

Has anyone here experienced that the skin of your dick becomes weaker during HRT? I used to sometimes penetrate my girlfriend, but after about 6 months of spiro + estradiol (T almost 0, E normal female range) my frenulum started tearing a bit during sex. I have somewhat of a tight foreskin, so maybe after losing nocturnal erections, the skin became tighter and thus results in breakage more easily? However, the foreskin is not noticeable tighter now than before.

Also, I expected that my penis would shrink and possibly lose all capacity to get erect, but my erections are still quite strong whenever I get aroused. I don't masturbate, but whenever I have sex, I get hard even if I don't feel like penetrating anything. Could those erections keep my dick from shriveling and losing the capacity to be erect? I would really like it to be small and always flaccid. Do I just have to stop all intimate contact for x amount of time, so I don't get erect because of arousal, and my dick will finally die?

how does cypro fuck up your balls

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>>7641652
it happens just like in this pic

Hi everyone! Quick question:
I want to look more feminine (im mtf but still in the closet) so I was wondering if taking just anti-androgens will have any giveaway effects. I'm aware it can cause slight breast growth, but is that a hugely noticeable effect, and are there any others?
Thanks for any help everyone!

>>7641652
You know this info is actually hard to find. Everywhere says its an antiandrogen, but not really what it does specifically.

>>7641842
i was less asking about its mechanism of action but rather how it fucks up your balls literally

does it cause permanent changes to t production etc. what about physical changes

YMMV aside what are some effects one might expect after a week of mtf hrt? I want to trial hormones and see if I really do like their effect but also don't want anything too permanent to happen.

So what's the opinion on taking estrogen without an anti-androgen? I just got back from the doctor with a script for estrogen, but they wouldn't get me anything else until a month on estrogen alone.
Will this fuck me up, or is it just a waste of time? Or is it fine and I should just go with it?

>>7641905
Estrogen alone won't do a lot, since you'll still be producing T. However, there is a feedback loop system that will slightly lower T. My suggestion is to just wait the month out, it's not that long to wait for an AA

Wie kriegt man in deutschland am besten hormone für mtf?

>>7642197
>Wie kriegt man in deutschland am besten hormone für mtf?
QHI ships to Germany: http://qhi.co.uk

Bumping my own question >>7641840 while asking another:
Is this safe? There's a fuck-load of side-effects I see, and I'm super paranoid. Will taking AAs only really fuck with me? I can deal with shit like muscle loss, libido loss, even the loss of sperm, but is there an objectively safest AA that DOESN'T have a chance of me dying from it?

>>7642349
I don't know which one is the safest but you will certainly have to keep an eye on your bones. Do stuff people with osteoporosis do.

I need to find somewhere to take the proper blood test, is this the one I'm looking for?
It's called a sex hormone binding globulin blood test, it sounds right, but i'm not sure.
The other issue I'm worried about is discretion. The only one of these blood labs I can access is in my small town, and I'm worried that if I start taking spiro then they'll notice somethings up, and tell my parents. (I'm stuk with them until I'm done school next year)
Thoughts?
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=167&ContentID=shbg_blood

>>7633253
Helps your liver since they have to dissolve

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here are my test results:

testosterone, serum - 25
LH - 0.1
FSH - <0.2
estradiol - 991.2

are things looking good?

>>7642560
your E seems way too high
you'll fry your estrogen receptors :^)

>>7642633
is it because i took my E before taking the test?

are you not supposed to do that?

>>7642641
no you should take the test right before you take your dose

>>7642653
well no one told me that

im not spending $60 dollars on another test for three months

is my T at a good enough range to lower my cypro dose or should i keep it the same?

>>7642665
well if you don't have an endo to tell you what to do, you have to do your own research
>self medding without any knowledge of anything

>>7642665
All the target hormone ranges are in the OP image, bottom right next to the animu girl

>>7641871
Maybe sensitivity or puffiness in nipples, but no actual breast growth. Skin might get softer and oil levels might change. Emotional/psychological effects.

Nothing permanent happens in general apart from breast growth, pretty much.

>>7641905
>I just got back from the doctor with a script for estrogen, but they wouldn't get me anything else until a month on estrogen alone.
Why would they ever do this? An antiandrogen on its own I can understand, but oestrogen on its own?

It won't fuck you up directly but your masculinisation is barely going to be reduced in that time.

>>7642845
yeah, what kinda fucking ex-ussr fake doctors are you on bro?

>>7642435
That only measures the levels of sex hormone binding globulin. It's literally the first sentence under the heading "what is this test?".

SHBG is relevant, but the most important things to measure are oestrogen and testosterone levels. If you're not getting your results interpreted by an endocrinologist then you're just looking to see if your oestrogen and testosterone are in the female range (which you can look up),

My endocrinologisst asked for:
Serum oestradiol
Serum testosterone
Sex hormone binding globulin
Urea and electrolytes
Liver function tests
Lipid profile (including triglycerides and prolactin)
Full blood count

>>7642197
Kann ich bestätigen, habe bereits mehrfach bei qhi bestellt.

>>7603128
What's the ideal age to start HRT? I'm 20 now and wondering if it's too late, or how long I have to wait on it. I haven't started yet because such radical changes seem very daunting and I'm not sure I want to go through with them yet, or ever. Yet the more time passes, the more dreams I have where I'm a beautiful woman, and it all seems so right.

Gah I'm so confused :c

>>7642845
>>7642865
technically it makes sense to start each new medication seperately to see if the body has a bad reaction to it, and its bad to be just taking AA.
However a whole month to check for bad reactions is dumb, a week would probably do the trick

>>7643088
20 is not ideal but it's not necessarily too late, at that point you just need to put more work into it but it's possible. Also really depends on your genetics.

I would just start now honestly.

>>7643088
>What's the ideal age to start HRT?
Like 10 or something, i.e. whenever your natal puberty would start. It gets progressively worse after that.

The longer you wait the more that woman you know you want to be fades away, forever. You're not going to stop wanting it, and you're only going to feel worse as time goes on.

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>>7643149
check em

>>7643131
>20 is not ideal but it's not necessarily too late
Out of curiosity, what age is ideal? I'm sort of new to all of this, so I don't really know what to think about anything, it's all just confusing.

>you just need to put more work into it
Could you elaborate on what this would entail? Would I just be taking more medicine, or would that also mean doing more stuff like shaving? Either way I don't really mind if that's what's necessary.

>Also really depends on your genetics
How so? Again, just curious about everything, sorry if my questions are annoying you.

>>7643138
>It gets progressively worse after that
That's what I was worried about...


I guess, considering all this, I should start soon? If these feelings really are still here this summer, I'll plan to start then.

>>7643162
The more naturally feminine you are now (genetics) the better you'll turn out. The less male puberty you've gone through (age) the better you'll turn out.

Putting work into it means putting extra effort into learning flattering makeup and clothing and such to compensate for your masculinity, as well as improving your masculine attributes with things like permanent hair removal, facial feminisation surgery, and voice training.

Even if things aren't as good as you'd like, they're not going to get any better (and are in fact inexorably going to get worse), so you the sooner you start the better your results should be.

>If these feelings really are still here this summer, I'll plan to start then.
I feel bad that you're waiting even that long, but if you need to take time to figure things out then that's definitely the right thing to do. Just make sure you don't waste time. Actually transition if you know you want to by that point. It's scary and difficult and you'll have to push through that but it's more than worthwhile once you do.

>>7643162
Like the other anon said, pre-puberty is ideal.

The work you'll need to do is like, well yeah there's shaving, but if you want to permanently get rid of the hair you'll need to get electrolysis done on your face. That's when they stick an electrified needle into your follicles to kill the hair cells, or something.

But really there are other things where you'll need to be on top of your game, like working on your voice, getting better at dressing yourself, hair and makeup (I know that stuff isn't really necessary to "be a girl" but it really helps you pass, and I honestly think I look better with makeup even though it's annoying). And eventually, if you don't like how your face looks, you can try and save up for FFS (facial feminization).

Really it's just gonna be more costly than if you had started earlier. But like I said, it's well within the realm of possibility.

>>7641840
Unless you do it for years you won't get osteoporosis. Years of neglect causes that.

Also, you can just take estrogen with it. There are no giveaway effects as long as you try your best to appear male. And even if you magically get busted having tits you can just deny you know why or anything like that.

This shit is really easy to hide bro, you're really overthinking it and overestimating how good people are at noticing shit.

>>7643200
I feel bad waiting too, but I'll be returning to uni soon and I'm taking many difficult courses this semester, so adding on another thing to think and worry about doesn't seem like the best idea. I'll be working on everything else in the mean time though.

>>7643226
It being possible still is actually a huge relief! Working on all those things will take time, but I'll do it. As far as electrolysis goes, I was wondering, at what point in this entire process is it best to get that done? Should I wait until I've started HRT for a few months, or should I get the hair removal done beforehand?


I appreciate all the replies and advice so much, it feels so good to talk to people who actually want to help. Thank you all so much :)

>>7643254
just out of curiosity how tall are you?

>>7643254
Dude just start the shit now. I started in the middle of a uni semester, back in 2008. You're going to put it off forever with that attitude.

There is literally no point in waiting.

It's not difficult, it's not scary, in fact it made my life easier in many ways. I was able to perform better in school knowing my body was improving and the nightmare of masculinization was over.

Don't be an idiot, just start now. You're just going to regret not having started sooner later on when you finally do it, if you don't wind up putting it off for years.

>>7643290
> I was able to perform better in school knowing my body was improving and the nightmare of masculinization was over.

this is a pretty good point desu thx will remember it

>>7643296
Yep. You do better in school when you're happy.

I did it back before all this tranny shit got popularized, too, and going from boy to androgynous boy to boy who looks like a girl didn't hinder me at all. Nowadays it must be a cake walk.

>>7643247
Thanks for the advice, maybe I am overthinking a bit
My issue is that I can't afford to go on HRT yet, but my dysphoria is really interfering with everything right now, so I was going to order spiro to 'stall' so to speak for about a year util i can afford it. (I'm 20 for what its worth)

>>7643305
yeah

i think worrying about my voice is a secondary think dont u think i mean i can work on it when i want, all that really matters is hormones

>>7643319
Yep all that matters is hormones. You can always work on your voice.
I went through university without altering my voice at all. I felt it'd be too awkward to go "lol im a girl now" and considering I graduated in 2012, and started in 2007, trannies in university weren't exactly a thing. So I just went around in androgynous boymode even getting gendered female almost 100% of the time prior to speaking after a year and a half or so.

People just saw me as a really girly guy, and things went fine because even in a red state like this, even before trannies became all popular and pushed in the media, the university was a pretty tolerant space and unlike in my high school, it was easy to be this very feminized fag.

Now you could probably just do it all, or you could do what I did. I didn't feel like going "lul im a grill now #respect my #pronouns" to a bunch of people in my relatively small major. I had a lot of classes with a lot of the same people for years. Kinda just didn't feel like dealing with it and after I graduated I got everything done.

No regrets on that either. The body getting fixed was pretty much all I cared about. The voice and presenting as female could wait.

>>7643309
If dysphoria is interfering with everything hopping on spiro or cypro would be a wise decision.

If you can afford it, go for cypro. With time the dose can be lowered eventually, especially once estrogen gets added into the mix.

If you do injections, estrogen is super cheap from ADC. $1.50 a week or so.

>>7643350
yeah, i get that. i'll probably still go with my admittely pretty likeable dude voice for a while even if its already a bit awkward coming from a 5'2 thin as fuck long haired faggot lol

>>7643263
A little under 5'7. I'm pretty thin though (140 lbs) and I've got somewhat girly eyes and eyelashes, so I think that'll help me out.

>>7643290
I'll remember this, maybe I'll even start sooner. Thanks for the insight, I feel more inclined to start sooner now!

>>7643357
I thought I read that cypro is less safe? I can afford that for sure, but my issue is that I have to stay in 'boymode' for another year or so, but if i can shift towards more of an andro appearance it'd be great.
Anyways, thanks for your help a ton, i'll look into everything tonight!

are blood tests a requirement when starting selfmedding?

>>7643396
Cypro is plenty safe. It's only if you're taking a huge dose like 100mg+ that the liver strain becomes a big deal, and in any normal healthy person, especially a young person, it's really no issue at all. You'd be doing more harm to your liver drinking every day and even that wouldn't fuck your liver up for quite a long time.

Cypro is plenty safe. In fact I used spiro for like 2 years and I feel it was more unsafe. As time went on the side effects, which are very shitty, got even worse. Eventually I was getting heart palpitations from the low blood pressure so I switched to cypro and have had zero problems and zero regrets.

Also you can lower the dose over time because it's so good at nuking your balls. Now I'm on 12.5mg/day although estrogen helps in lowering it.

The risks are negligible.

If you want to shift to androgynous appearance cypro will work wonders, and it is without a doubt better at doing it than spiro is.

You're kind of fucked if you're 6'0 and have broad shoulders, right?

>>7643453
Even if you are fucked, it's best for your mental well being to stop masculinization.

In other words whether you'll pass or not getting on hormones is the right choice. If you're lucky you'll pass or get femboy status which is god-tier by the way.

If it helps you feel any better my sister, who is cis female, is 6'0"

lol keep up the good work guys

>>7643467
I dunno. The people I've shown my pictures to have said that I could pass.

I get really self-conscious about my shoulders though. I'll need some shrinkage in their width and a good amount of hip growth to not look unbalanced. At least I'm 20 so it's not too bad of a starting age.

>>7629769
baaaaaamp

>>7643453
i have 17.5" shoulders and 6'0" and i pass in all my interactions in my daily life
certainly not fucked

>>7643731
How long on HRT? When did you start?

>>7643736
im 16 months on hrt and i started at 21

>>7643784
Oh cool. I'm 3 months and I'm 20. We'll see how things go.

Did your shoulders shrink at all? What do you do to hide them?

>>7643790
i didn't measure them pre hrt, first time i measured was about a year in
pretty sure they were about 18" before tho
i can't into fashion but a friend of mine gives me some tips what to wear as an inverted triangle
something off the top of my mind is to like wear like jeans that are ripped at your thigh close to your hips and like patterns and shit like that to make hips seem bigger while downplaying shoulders

>>7643804
Oh cool. Did your hips grow at all from HRT or did you have to go for hipfat?

>>7644026
not sure, i dont think they did
they are about 40" now tho

>>7644058
Nice! My waist is 28.5 and my hips are 35.5. I was at like 37 before I lost some weight so I'm hoping I get some hip gainz.

When did you start seeing physical changes? I've gotten softer skin and my face is a bit more feminine but nothing major yet.

>>7644069
i stopped taking pictures of progress after about 5 months but i had little booblets at that point
so say 5-6 months

>>7639922
3 weeks from when you placed the order or three weeks from when it shipped?

>>7644404
three weeks from the ordering

>>7643414
Thanks for the help friend, really solid advice. I'll probably place the order later tonight then.
As a final question, any idea where I would start for dosage (assuming i just want to go andro for now)?
Thanks for the help though!

>>7644905
If cypro, 50mg/day. If for some reason that's not working you could do 100mg/day.

>>7635558
Sup fag

I'm trying to self-medicate since I don't really have any other options where I live.

I'm a bit nervous about attempting to illegally order hormones in the mail. Are there any over-the-counter antiandrogens I could look into before resorting to that?

>>7635558
Is qhi's tracked shipping the same as
>Recorded Delivery Post
or is the option somewhere else? That's the only thing that has any relation to shipping, but it doesn't sound like tracking.

Also their site looks janky and old, but they're good for cypro and estrofem for the US? Just want to make sure before I drop yet another $100+ trying to get mones.

Could the fact that my estradoil spiked to 991 pg/mL be a sign that I could be intersexed?

>>7645257
50mg may be excessive, my T was very gone after a month on 25mg, and the less you're taking the better. I'd start on 25, get tests after a month, and bump to 50 if necessary.

>>7635924
What would be the dosage with bica and estradiol if I don't wanna be sterile??

>>7645974
>Recorded Delivery Post
That's the one.
It's supposed to come with a tracking number, but rarely does.
I once got the tracking number the day before it arrived at my house.
>good for cypro?
Yep. I take it from them. Works like a charm.
>estrofem
They're good for it and ship real meds but I'd suggest not wasting your money and just going for progynova. Cheaper and it works better. Skipping the liver is kinda pointless when it's such low strain anyway. Estradiol valerate (progynova) is also more potent and longer lasting when taken orally than sublingual estradiol hemihydrate (estrofem)

But if you really wanna get estrofem from them go for it. They are legit. The site may be from the 90's, but they're legit as fuck.

For reference I have taken estrofem, progynova, and estradiol valerate injections. The estrofem gave the least feminization out of all of them.

>>7646055
They're not planning on taking estrogen yet though. Although I think they should, seeing as it isn't very expensive.

Estrogen helps reduce testosterone production in the first place, so if they're not taking any it would be better for them to start at a higher dose like 50mg.

Even if someone is taking estrogen I'd advise starting at 50mg cypro and going down from there once testosterone has been nuked. Better to get it down fast than to have it go down slower.

I'm at 12.5mg/day now myself, so I am very aware of cypro's effectiveness. However for a beginner 50mg should always be the starting dose, just to nuke the test down faster.

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why cant I get on qhi anymore? what does this mean? Is it like this for anyone else?

>>7647065
shit nevermind its ok now? do VPN's usually cause a problem with qhi?

>>7615790
It can

>>7633537
QHI takes about a month to a month and a half, don't worry.

So, I'm trying to go legal route. Who do I tell I'm self messing? I can apparently get a referral to an endo from any family doctor nowadays. Do I tell the doctor when asking for a referral, or to the endo at first appointment, or to the endo when you ask for an appointment or what?

>>7647158
This is a lie. They've taken approximately 15 days on all orders I've done from them.

>>7647497
>this is what my experience is
>my experience is different, thus yours is false

>>7647497
>wanting to go the legal route
Just make sure you get your hormone level numbers from the doc, because there are many really shitty ones out there and you have to make sure your hormones are actually in proper ranges.

I know someone who was self medding, and then went official. Their first blood test (prior to getting ~*official*~ hormones) came out great. Test was 13ng/dL and estrogen was in a good range. 5 months later, after 5 months of taking ~*official*~ hormones from a clinic in a very large city that many people go to, in a leftist area, their test level was 650ng/dL and their estrogen was at 25. So basically they were handing out placebo or something.

The odd part is they were on 200mg spiro both while self medding and going to the clinic. So the clinic was handing out placebo or something.

I've also known many people whose endos had them at 200ng/dL test and other ridiculously high test numbers and things like that. Many of them flat out do not care about your feminization, so they will not have your ranges reflect that.

IMO if you want it done right, you're better off doing it yourself and paying for blood tests. No point going through some schmuck who very well might wind up wasting your time and turning back your progress. Especially when it often costs more than self-medding (therapist costs, clinic appointment costs, even med costs) and you have to often deal with some level of gatekeeping and stalling.

I finally bit the bullet and ordered some cypro from QHI.

I'd get estro but I am dealing with a shitty situation that'll only allow me to suppress my T. This is only temporary(3-6months)

Now I am a poorfag and want to get the best use out of it. Would it be a good to go on 12,5mg for two weeks and then bump it up to 25mg from that point on?

>>7645884
>Are there any over-the-counter antiandrogens I could look into before resorting to that?
Depends on where you are; many countries have not so strict drug regulations. If you're in the USA or the UK or something then no, you won't be able to buy anything, apart from some herbal shit that won't work very well or like, birth control pills with miniscule amounts of antiandrogen in them.

Also, in the UK at least (and other places too) it's very hard to be prosecuted for ordering things in the post illegally, since it's impossible to prove that it was actually you who ordered it and not someone sending it to you for whatever reason. At worst your package will get seized by customs.

>>7648454
Better to do it the other way around, starting with the higher dosage. Cypro damages your testicles, so your natural testosterone production will reduce (and therefore you'll need less cypro) over time.

What's the dosage for taking progesterone and how often do you take it? I'm thinking of adding it to my routine

>>7648484
One problem with that. If the balls are visibly damaged(significant shrinking) they might see it.

>>7648634
Who might see it? Why is that a problem?

>>7648638
Well from other people's experience when you finally get accepted for HRT they do a physical examination. Now some shrinking may not be the end of the world, but if it's noticeable they'll get butthurt over it.

>>7648651
They didn't mention anything about eventually getting on official HRT. Self-medding beforehand will not hurt their ability to get on HRT in most places.

If they are getting official HRT, visible testicular shrinking is going to be irrelevant considering the other effects of HRT will be more noticeable, and blood tests will be done which will confirm they've been self-medding anyway.

Also, I never had my testicles examined when I was given HRT. All that happened was I was weighed, had my height measured, and had blood tests done.

>>7648674
I can only speak for other people's experience. It can well be that they don't do the procedure above the age of 16.

I would prefer to just ease into it, but I'll see.

The situation is kinda rediculus to be honest.

I really only bring my concerns with DIY'ing up because the head psychiatrist tossed a fit about it during my first visit when I just mentioned it.

It's mostly stuff like how they can't be held liable for what you do and stop helping you altogether. Though I have heard of people just bypassing that by keeping that stuff under the radar and lying.

>>7648718
>I really only bring my concerns with DIY'ing up because the head psychiatrist tossed a fit about it during my first visit when I just mentioned it.
What did they do/say?

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>>7603128
Is it ok if i take 100mg spiro and 6mg estradiol?
I also taoe prog 100mg(?) But i rsn out
Is this oka?

>>7650122
That was my dose forever and I turned out "okay".

i have not started my hormone therapy yet, i need to go to a psychologist to show that i am ready to start the therapy

If I'm waiting for my hrt, looking for ways to lower my erections pre spiro. Heard that not masturbating for a week will increase testosterone however longer than that it will begin to get lower and lower? This a viable option for pre hrt? Or worth it?

>>7603128
Thinking of starting progesterone
1.5 years hrt
A cup tiny tits syndrome desperately need fix
Spiro + 6mg estradiol
Does the cream work better or worse than capsules for breast growth?
Also anyone had any luck with alternatives like puera mitrifica or fenugreek?
Tryna get to c cup so I can at least appear to be a cis woman without a push up bra everyday

>>7651687
Switching to cypro would be more beneficial.

>>7651624
If you intend on using your dick after transition, don't do that. Getting a boner when tissues have started shrinking is stupidly painful.

>>7651695
I'm not self medding, I assume doctors can prescribe the swap if I were to request it? (I go to a trans centric clinic in mass so I'd imagine it'd be simple)

>>7651720
You cant get cypro prescribed in the US, you would have to order it online, and there's no reason not to.

>>7651724
Reason being costs. Parents health care covers hormones plus my mom pays the prescription costs is it really that much better as far as feminization?
I'm already used to always having to pee

>>7651687
Implants, transdermal or injections. Pills swallowed seam to lower IGF production which is needed for breast growth.
>Also anyone had any luck with alternatives like puera mitrifica or fenugreek?
Both will fill estrogen receptors preventing the more potent estrogen in your pills from working.

I've been on Spiro (100mg) for 11 days now, and on Progy (2mg) for 5 days now.

No side effects so far, is it safe to up my Spiro to 200mg so I can start taking it at night as well?

I currently take Spiro and Progy in the morning.

>>7651714
My dick has shrank from 6.75" to 3.75" or so. I almost never use it, yet I never get painful erections on the rare occasions I do get erect.

What's up with this dick pain meme?

Anyone know how long it'd take for 50mg cypro to nuke my t levels? I know it varies from person to person but in general would 1 month of 50mg be enough?

>>7652548
Read the OP.

>>7652492
That's unlucky Anon :c
I've been on spiro and estradiol for over a year and my dick went from 7" to 6.5" but it's not painful

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Ok so iv herd that hrt makes your thing smaller and my thing is already really really small like i don't even have to tuck kinda small I'm afraid that if it gets any smaller that it'll implode or something so are my fears worth any thing or does it not matter?

>>7652926
if your micropenis is that valuable to you then don't do cos it is GOING to shrink more

>>7652943
oh no i don't car about at all i was just wanting to know if its a medical concern

>>7642435
Try seeing if privatemdlabs has a lab near your location. With a fyvor coupon the transgender test is $85 and covers everything you could want.

how am i going to do blood tests in finland without having all my doctors being notified of my plummeting t levels

>>7653022
it doesn't really matter. maybe you would need to pull on it a bit to make sure you're washing all of it but I don't think the imploding thing is even possible.

>>7653182
let them know you're a tranny so you can get on the 1000 year waiting lists

>>7653182
Buy them from a private medical lab company? If you want the tests from the public sector for cheap/free, some doctor has to order them anyway. Also, I don't think that all your doctors look at all of your medical records. They just look at the records that are relevant.

>>7653324
im mostly afraid of a doc bringing them up in this one way idk

are there even any private bloodwork places in finland ffs finland is such a socialist nightmare seriously

>>7651815
Not on proper hrt yet but am taking pueraria mirifica and red reishi as herbal hrt and yes pueraria m does work, started noticing breast growth after a month

I think I'm finally gonna actually order hormones.

What size PO box should I rent, IE how big will the packages be?

>>7653463
quit wasting money on herbal shit and order real hrt

>>7653507
Depends on how much you order.
when I get home I can post like $500 of shit laid out for size comparison.

But you should also look into poste restante because it's free

>>7652707
Nah I consider it lucky. I like it small and I think it's cute, plus I never use it.

Also I've been on hormones for well over 3 years. I had about your level of length loss at a year in.

>>7653564
Yes I know :( but in the meantime it'll do

>>7653331
Why would it matter even if they bring them up? Nobody will punish you for self-medding in Finland. And they won't get the records from some private company. Just use google. Mehiläinen sells blood tests for hormones without a doctor's order, for example.

>>7653668
Aren't real hormones cheaper anyway? Why not just order them?

>>7654443
> Mehiläinen

THATS BEE IN FINNISH :DDD

>>7654529
EBEEN :--DD

>>7647529
But srsly tho, who do I tell?

>>7643247
you can say it's because on anti-balding meds like finasteride they also can cause tits occasionally

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So i haven't started hrt yet im going to as soon as i lose some fatty grossness but i was wandering if there's any thing i should do to my life to prepare for transitioning?

>>7655281
Your endo at your first appointment. It might be a good idea to also tell your primary doctor what you take in case they ever have to prescribe something with bad interactions

>>7655671
Make sure you have a plan in case your parents disown you

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>>7655671
Start growing your hair out, make sure you are in a position to socially and financially support your transition, find some appropriate clothes.

>>7655688
oh iv already been through all that been disowned and then renowned and i do have a family member that will take me ill have to live in less then poverty

>>7655695
already have hair to my nips so i just need to find a job im in school right now so itll be hard but ill do it.

Got my first bloodtest, done, flagged my E as high apparently. Is this actually the case? Not on HRT yet, MtF.

Testoserone, Serum - 1154 ng/dL
Estrogens, Total - 139 pg/mL

>>7655784
>1154 ng/dL

Holy moly.

>139 pg/mL

Not high high, but probably high for a male who's not on HRT. My levels are usually around 260.

>>7656000
So I better kill the shit out of that. How much would it take to nuke all that if I use say, cypro or bica?

I've been on bicalutamide for about six months now and while I've gotten good results I've noticed my libido decrease greatly. I'm currently on 6 mg estradiol and 50 mg a day of bicalutamide. Would it be safe to lower dosage to 25 or 12.5 mg a day? Or would it affect my tranny gains too much?

>>7656139
Cypro for maximum nuking

Any good exercises to do before going on HRT?

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>>7656995
obligatory picattached

>>7657003
Thanks anon.

Hello. When is my dick going to die on cypro? I haven't masturbated for like 20 days so far i think and i am still getting erections. Is it going to be soon? I really hope so.

I've read the imagine in the OP, but where am I meant to purchase Raloxifene or Tamoxifen. They aren't on qhi and that's where I'm going to buy spiro and progy from.. Or should I only buy spiro? I want to look cuter - my current appearance at the moment makes me very depressed and I'm only 18 years old.
Thanks in advance.

>>7657329
take 300mg for a week and its dead i promise

>>7657428
they have one of those at ihp, i dont know which one, i think its raloxifene

>>7658821
Along with her liver.

>>7658884
>for a week
not really

I need your advice, anons!

My endo now put me on 12.5mg cypro and 4mg estradiol valerate pills.
Is this a good regimen? I was on 100mg spiro for 6 months before and that already did something for me (mostly for the skin, it got softer, and my libido decreased, dick got more limb etc.). My T levels were naturally very low pre-everything.

>>7659315
Yeah that sounds good long-term, but it can take a couple of weeks for cypro to kill your balls especially at that dosage, so I would either start at 25 or 50 mg for a month if you can or continue your spiro simultaneously for a month.

>>7659371
Thanks for the advice, anon!
I will try 25mg cypro instead of 12,5 for a couple of weeks to make sure that my T is nuked. More than 25mg could be bad for me since I already feel "unpleasant sensations" down there (-> some pain in the dick). I'm only 4 days on cypro and estradiol valerate now, so I think that pain is a good sign.

Where can I buy hormones with cash? Can you even do that?

I'm in Florida.