Trans are just autists taking it too far?

>>7562187
>zucker
goddamnit
autism is strongly associated with ftm transsexualism (all forms) due to increased prenatal testosterone levels and agp-based mtf transsexualism due to higher rates of the traits that correlate with agp's development (nerdiness, social outcast status, sexual deviancy, etc)
people with transsexualism and comorbid autism tend to have more severe dysphoria than the general trans population due to how autism intensifies psychological pain
dr ken zucker is a decent researcher in the field of transsexualism whose research is screwed over by his obsession with conversion therapy on dysphoric children, and thus like a lot of people with similar viewpoints interprets the transsexualism/autism connection in unreasonable ways
there is also a stronger correlation between autism and trendscum, but trendscum really aren't that hard to distinguish from trans people if you know anything at all about what you're doing

>>7562187
Chris Chan makes more sense now.

>>7562187
I don't really understand how this makes their trans condition less valid

>>7562258
I think the point is some kids who think they're trans might not really be trans and are just fixating on gender and sex because of autism.

>daily mail

zucker is a meme

>>7562258
Because most children don't think about things like that till after puberty.

>>7562214
>autism is strongly associated with ftm transsexualism (all forms) due to increased prenatal testosterone levels
Maybe due to the same reason as AGP MTFs?

>and agp-based mtf transsexualism due to higher rates of the traits that correlate with agp's development (nerdiness, social outcast status, sexual deviancy, etc)
So MTFs can be caused by the social/developmental effects of those things.

>>7562214
Excess testosterone turns into estrogen as well, due to aromatase.

Blanchard&
Money&
Bailey&
Zucker.

>>7564574
>implying any of them are wrong, besides in the details, like no AAP

>>7563378
>So MTFs can be caused by the social/developmental effects of those things
so can ftms, which is why autism causes both forms of ftm transsexualism rather than just hsts
funnily enough, it's even more accurate to describe aap ftms as 'failed females' than describing agp mtfs as 'failed males', given a lot of agps are pretty successful in their male lives but the same deal doesn't really hold for aaps

>>7566969
Its widely known that gay and AAP FtMs are extreme fag hags.

>>7562187
>daily mail
don't care about any of the content, stopped reading there
if people aren't agreeing with him at all in medicine he's probably wrong
>tfw you combo ad hominem and appeal to authority for the triple point boost

>>7565140
>implying they don't all get paid to be wrong

>>7568129
they are, but it's more complex than that
and a good number of them actively dislike the 'fag hag' attitude and wouldn't relate at all to most descriptions of aap, despite blatantly having it

>>7562187
It's already known that aspies don't understand gender and sex on a normal level.
That's why there's more rigid testing, and harder to get hormones if you're an aspie.

I've heard zucker is a pretty bad guy though, from the kids who went to him.

>>7565140
>Implying any of them are wrong except when they are wrong

>>7562214
>"ftms (all forms) show higher rates of autism"
Yes and no. Ftms show higher rates of 'autistic traits'. There is a significant difference between 'Asperger's syndrome' or 'high functioning autism', i.e. having 'autistic traits', on the one hand and 'autism', i.e. being literally autistic, on the other. Autism is a severe neurodevelopmental disorder and is NOT connected to female-to-male transsexuality. This famous and prestigious study is very clear about that:

http://docs.autismresearchcentre.com/papers/2011_Jones_transsexualautism_JADD.pdf

>"agp-based mtfs show higher rates of autism (see: agp nerdiness, their social outcast status and sexual deviancy)"
There is no scientific basis for this statement because the scientific community does not agree with the two type model for mtf transsexuals. The scientific community does in fact not even talk about agp. Just saying, I'm not denying the existence of agp here!
You mention "sexual deviancy" as an indicator for autism. Again: That is only correct for (some cases of) 'autism' and not for asperger's syndrome or high functioning autism. Studies on this topic always include participants with real (severe) autism. See:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/69a9/9c126d3464c2b79a6adcb6077f7c07ec06ba.pdf

>"dr ken zucker is a decent researcher in the field of transsexualism whose research is screwed over by his obsession with conversion therapy on dysphoric children, and thus like a lot of people with similar viewpoints interprets the transsexualism/autism connection in unreasonable ways"
Dr. Ken Zucker got fired last year (I do not now the exact reasons for that). Also I have not seen the BBC documentary with his most recent statements.
The most important question: Is Zucker talking about 'autism' causing gender-confusion in some children or about 'asperger's syndrome' causing autism? It should be very clear that (full) autists can develop almost everything out of their autism including gender-nonconformity.

>>7562187
I'm not sure how well that theory holds up. I was tested (negative) for autism at around 4 or 5 years old. Doubt it's a byproduct of it at least.

>>7568312 (I continue)
The main thing about all this is that the diagnosis 'transgender' does not even apply to kids. There are 'transsexual' children out but transsexuals cannot be diagnosed with transsexualism during their childhood. Again, that is the mainstream of the scientific community!
Transsexualism is diagnosed during puberty. According to ICD-10 transsexuality (F 64.0) applies only to individuals during and after puberty. Gender non-conforming children are diagnosed with F64.2 'Gender identity disorder of childhood'. No serious person diagnoses a child as a transsexual, that's just a (very american) media phenomenon, e.g. Jazz Jennings.
You can only ask seriously about the connection of 'autism' (a developmental disorder!) and 'gender identity disorder during childhood'. It is clear and widely known that gender-nonconforming kids regulary do turn out to be NOT transsexual during their teenage years! Many of them (just) turn out to be homosexual or nothing 'special' at all.

>>7562258
I've encountered an aspie in a group therapy setting and they were there for a year, fixated on something else after that year, then stopped coming to the group therapy all together. Not only that but the year she was a he, he litterally forced himself to be masculine, self mutilated regularly, and then it finally dawned on him that he really did not want to be a dude after all.

What I'm trying to say is after a surgery they may want to go back because they lost interest completely. They were fixated on the idea and weren't trans to begin with. That's a massive waste of money for some temporary obsession and I'm not sure how it's "valid" in the slightest.

>>7568356
that's what gender therapy exists to address
the current zeitgeist has decided gender therapy is immoral gatekeeping and goes informed consent, but that's its own goddamn fault
t. autist who spent way too long in gender therapy even for an autist who was under 18 at the time (my therapists agreed it was too long, but there were legal restrictions)

It's sad how baseless transsexuality is for the majority of the those who identify

this would be a great theory if every agp was autistic but they aren't. it's not a majority or even a huge minority

both mtf and ftm have a higher incidence of autism than the general population, but ftm are much more elevated

moreover, there's actually a lot more cis women with high functioning autism than you think. it's just that hormones create immense social pressure and thus they gain the ability to mask their symptoms. they also enjoy more social inclusiveness which allows them to practice their social skills more.

>be medical professional
>encounter a possibly trans child
>ask a few questions, do a few tests
>rule out autism and other possible alternative explanations that are more dire or will have preferably less invasive treatment plans
>investigate if any present symptoms for disorders such as anxiety/depression/BDD are independent disorders manifesting falsely as transgender feelings, suggesting treatment of the former will cure the latter
>or if such symptoms are manifestations of legitimate transgender feelings and treatment of the latter will cure the former
>treat patient as required

...Is that really so hard? Isn't that basically their job, for any diagnostic endeavour?

>be medical professional
>encounter a possibly asthmatic child
>ask a few questions, do a few tests
>rule out allergies, anxiety and other possible alternative explanations that are more dire or will have preferably less invasive treatment plans
>investigate if any present symptoms of allergies/anxiety are independent and manifesting falsely as asthmatic symptoms, suggesting treatment of the former will cure the latter
>or if such symptoms are manifestations of legitimate asthma and treatment of the latter will cure the former
>treat patient as required

Am I wrong? Should the kid just be sent home with a dustbuster and a stress ball?

>>7568501
That's what happens but Cucker would rather you believe that they give every 6 year old surgery if they even choose something that is pink coloured.

Most of the people diagnosed as autistic are in fact schizoid.

There's different explanations for the increased rate of autism, rather than it being "just an autistic obsession" which is patently absurd.

One is that autistic and ADHD (we cannot forget ADHD in the conversation, as it also has elevated rates of dysphoria) will lead to epigenetic factors that will boost gender nonconformity. This makes a lot more sense, since there is a greater disconnect to both the social and internal experience of gender for autistic people.

Another thing is that autistic and ADHD people may simply repress less than general population due to not caring about social backlash as much.

>>7568556
And then there's the reverse consideration, that the neurological traits that will cause one to disconnect from their assigned gender will crossover with a disconnect from socialization (autism) or reality (adhd)...anyone have any insight on the areas of the brain associated with differences in both cases?

I'm ftm and I sometimes think I might be autistic. But that doesn't delegitimize my being trans. I'm much happier and more confident as a male.

>>7562187
Trans are definitely autists

>>7562187
Kek

>>7562187
He has a point.

>>7564574
Isnt money the guy that literally mutilated a cis boy and forced him to be raised as a girl, doind weird sexual stuff (basically preemptive conversion therapy) to him and his brother to make them "accept" their gender, and eventually led to them killing themselves?

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>>7562187
>>7569950
Reminder the hash is a smoking gun that the op from both of these threads is the same child porn spammer who got baned last week for dodging bans and spamming.

Sage and report, you want to stop an obvious kid fetishizing wave of spam from this guy before it gets any worse.