Why are feminist women nowadays so quick to accept and allow

>>7530408
Because taking trans people seriously is a radical feminist act that undermines the patriarchy duuuuuuuuuh

>>7530408
becose people like to be in boxes

>>7530408
>socialization
Doesn't this mean the wage gap and very low rate of women is STEM is completely just?

If women were socialized to not work and excpect things to come as gifts, then most won't have work ethics.

Most will avoid STEM on their own will because they see it as unglamorous and unfeminine.


How can you complain then?

>>7530506
fuck feminty some one needs to telll them to be a man witth thay fingers up

Take any two cis women at random and their lives will be dramatically, incredibly different. It's the same with a tranny and cis woman, or a cis woman and cis man or any combination of whatever the fuck.


Is this another fucking cara thread?

>>7530519
a man some one that lives life by there own standers and tell the would fuck u freelove and dose not comit to relationship and will let there kids reze them self and kill anyone that wants power or controll
a bitch bows down to people or gods a slave most people are bitches

>>7530516
shout it out

>>7530624
what that i hate humanty and that we have the abuilty to be free of bullshit that evolution gave us but thay want to use there god to justify there bullshit

I think transwomen ought to be considered goldmines for feminists. They're literally apex examples of what feminists want to see: biological males who think being male is so awful that they'd rather be women. They usually come primed with stories of male aggression and dejected socialization. Why wouldn't feminists want them around?

>>7530658
its a genetic disorder not a some thing u make happen by ur own will

>>7530674
Neat. I am aware of that. Anything else you'd like to share?

>>7530636
>>7530516
>>7530408
Won't do it, literally 9 out of 10 girls in Uni think going into engineering is dirty and unfemminine. So they put down the few women that do go in it.

That's insane, fix their mentality and you would fix the wage gap.

>>7530684
why are u talking abought females like there there own race i dont see any government on any lv trying to brake down gender rolls the sexest things thay are and i dont see any movements that try to do this irl

>>7530734
Because it's women perpetuating this on themselves.

They will bully and abuse girls good at math who study boy things, say they're dykes and manly. So then women are afraid to study stem.

And then those same bullies riot and demand psychology be paired as much as civil engineering.

It's the toxic socialisation women force on themselves

>>7530408
Feminism is just a lobby group for female privilege. Lobby groups cooperate when they can demand concessions jointly.

>>7530658
I'm trans because feminism has made being male unbearable. Women are inferior and I want their special treatment because I'm not strong enough to be a man.

>>7530747
i am with u on that but how are we gana fix the problem i think we sould make these sexest pricks kill them selfs by braking down there bullshit in school and treat them like the cunts thay are

>>7530783
That and counter their bulling of 'masculine' girls by promoting masculine socialization with them, rewarding them for male like ambition and tallent in traditionally boy careers.

>>7530803
yes but how are u gana do that when 1/3 of the guys are thinking with there cock 1/3 of the guys creep most of the woman out it bulids a higher wall for females even if there one of the dudes how do u make it eazer on females that may not have the toughest skin

>>7530747
This is why feminism is the enemy of gender equality. It tells women that they are victims of male oppression and that they don't earn as much, etc, because of the patriarchy.

When they believe that, why would they see a problem with their behavior? Women are bad at maths because of sexist old white male college professors, but our bullying, they think.

Feminism and toxic femininity are self-perpetuating ailments that pass themselves on down the female generations.

>>7530869
It's mostly a womyn on womyn problem

If women didn't attack girls showing boy socialisation, then they'd be able to go toe to toe with and humiliate men or women who trample on them

It can't be fixed until you solve the toxic socialisation other women are perpetuating. other women will try and bully any ambition, talent and strength of character out of existence in women.

>>7530919
I have become so misogynistic since accepting that I'm trans.

>>7530948
People do realIze those socialization arguments cut both ways

>>7530953
What do you mean?

>>7530948
>misogynistic
i do u hate the fact that have tits and a pussy i think u just hate the coultre thay bring to the table

>>7530953
hopw can it cut both ways if u make every one a self center asshole that lives by there own standereds and hates the bitches that want power and controll

>>7530953
Say trans are evil because of socialization (although a faggot boy won't get the same a normal male would've)

Then you can just as easily point out most problems women suffer from are due to toxic socialisation suffered from other females. I mean other girls bullying a girl in class cause she came in the top in math is insane and explains much.

>>7530959
You're right, it's their culture I hate. Cis women and all too many trans women have it.

>>7530987
I don't follow?

>>7530987
That and the fact that many of the girls who tormented their own for showing tallent in "boy" stuff or boy like personality traits like ambition are now the ones protesting over why psychology and the like doesn't pay as well as engineering

Redistributing would reward those bullies, worsen the problem. You have to instead reward masculinity in girls so you can overcome the stigma

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>>7531004
Become a femboy and throw away that culture if your heart is like that

>>7531025
>Redistributing would reward those bullies, worsen the problem. You have to instead reward masculinity in girls so you can overcome the stigma
How how can this change be made? Especially when so many, like those bullies now demanding redistribution towards their psychology careers, are invested in keeping it the way it is and evading the truth?

>>7531048
Those are dying fields, their funding will dry out and their keeping women from tech will seem ridiculous

>>7531045
But I'm inferior the way they are.

What does it mean to be a femboy? To get HRT anyway and just keep calling myself male? That's no different from transition. To just live as an effeminate guy?

>>7531062
That's optimistic. Feminism and identity politics don't seem to be going down hill. Why will belief in female victimhood, male privilege, the idea that women can keep acting as they do and expect men to change things for them through special treatment go away?

>>7531083
There's no reason to make a radical break with your identity. Or be ashamed of the boyish parts of your personality and intests. There's no point in becoming vapid like so many of them are.

You can look like a girl and hold onto every good thing about being a boy, androgyny is the ideal eitherways.

>>7531106
My identity is already female. I won't become vapid but there are good things about being a boy I already lack, like being able to cope alone or make my own decisions well.

I'm proud of the ways I am boyish and I can only be androgynous, but I'm still feminine enough to be inferior.

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>>7531133
I was in love with his boy persona desu. He was smart, had wit and would often talk about his ambitions and dreams.

Was overflowing with strength

>>7531146
Who? Pic? I don't know who that is.

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>>7531178
Andrej Pejic. Was a famous pretty boy model who was secretly popping pills to look that fem

Went full girl recently though

>>7531198
>He was smart, had wit and would often talk about his ambitions and dreams.
Did that change with transition?

>>7531204
Not a huge amount with that part but a lot of her behavior right down to tangential things like orientation (andrej-bi Andreja-straight) seem filtered.

And a lot of the more boyish parts of her personality aren't there anymore. I'm sure those things were natural and not part of an act she's just filtering out of pressure/shame.

>>7531239
Sad. What were the boyish parts?

I swear if I transition I won't filter my behavior. Who am I kidding, I'll never look female enough to get pressured to.

>>7531239
I think that may just be what happens after we get dicked, doesn't she literally live on a farm with her husband now?

>>7531178
Lurk more you retarded fucking newfag.

>>7531198
Stop spoonfeeding newfags. It brings down the quality of the board.

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>>7533688
He got dicked all the time as a femboy and it never made him act like that

>>7533714
I did know Andrej, I just didn't recognize that gray suit picture.

>>7533715
Maybe getting dicked in the front hole is different, idk

>>7533780
>Implying Srs would instantly turn any cute boy to a valey girl

>>7533935
You can be feminine without being a valley girl.

>>7530408
The way we as a culture socialize our boys is superior to the way we socialize girls, what's the problem?

>>7530408
>Is allowing transwomen to be a mouthpiece for feminism a sort of inverse act of mansplaining?
It's not mansplaining because trans women have feminized brains, meaning they really aren't men. Younger trans women tend to be a bit misandrist, because being a girl raised among boys gives you an inside look into how horrible male socialization is. They usually end up acting like women, because male socialization before 20 tends not to be as intense as male socialization after 20. Older ones are corrupted by male socialization, but they usually do a good job demonizing it as well. So trans women are pretty useful for feminists.

Personally I'm not a feminist because I think feminism fights femininity too much, which is harmful to the majority of women who are comfortable with their gender. It's also harmful to society because it destroys one of the important social roles that society is built on.

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>>7534517
What happens to Femboys with your socialisation corruption idea? Think I liked them better as boys like said in >>7531146 desu

>>7535036
Femboys, much like young transitioning trans women reject male socialization from young age, so they are far, far less corrupted.

>>7535048
i am a bi male and i think ur corruption idea is no well thought out i mean i like peoplse that live in hell and see the world for the shit hokle it is i think the polishing up of things is stupid and if the people cant take the truth let them kill them selfs there body there bizness

>>7535168
Just how drunk and/or retarded are you?

>>7530408
Because they secretly know that they need a nice strong supportive man to keep them going whilst they wash up.

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>>7530408
even if the transwoman is a lesbian (born male with heterosexual attractions), do they want a woman, some with a dick, attracted to them?

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>>7535218
i am not i am just an anibitch

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Julie Bindel here

I've been watching u biscum and trannies on this board since it first appeared, and I have all the evidence I need to prove you're all rapist faggots

I have contacted the 4chan admin and your IP addresses have been logged. You're FUCKIN dead kiddo, finally I'll have my revenge when my ex "bisexual" partner fucked a tranny

Its just misogyny that she'd choose a trap over me, and I'm going to be lobbying the government to have you all thrown into mental health wards, biscum included

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>>7542000
Right with you sister

Ever since trannies became popular everyone thinks I'm either a shemale or trans man

You all fucking ruined my life, I'll be doxxing you all and using my followers to hunt you, especially you KAYLA, you think you're top bitch? Ha we'll see about that

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>>7530408
Why is the trans-rights movement nowadays so quick to accept and allow cis-straight feminists to be leaders in their movement, despite having no experience of being trans? Half of them don't even recognize gender dysphoria as a medical/psychiatric disorder and would rather operate on queer theory.

Is allowing feminists to speak about trans-issues fucking up our rights in a real and tangible way? That was a rhetorical question because it already happened in the US 1981.

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>>7542038
We will destroy the trans revolution. I have created sockpuppet accounts on all major social media to make trannies look worse than they already are.

>>7530658
>who think being male is so awful that they'd rather be women
That goes against feminist ideology as they believe that men are privileged and have no problems, therefore any man who has problems with male gender roles is just a whiny failure.

>>7547321
>what is toxic masculinity

>>7547854
Feminists only care about 'toxic masculinity' when it affects women negatively. They don't give a damn or outright enforce male gender roles otherwise. Look at all the 'male tears' mugs for example, or the fact that their go-to insults for enemies involve put-downs of their masculinity (whiny manbaby, neckbeard, micropenis etc.)

>>7530408
Lol since when is this case plenty of feminists especially the more radical ones are questioning the lived womanhood exprience of TW, and definitely if they're in a "leadership" position. Everyone is implicitly aware of how this sort of thing is problematic.
Pretty sure you've been reading too many memes online and not actually getting involved in feminist circles irl

>>7548009
That's toxic femininity.

>>7548249
Good luck getting feminists to admit that exists.

>>7548360
Well, yes, but let's deal with the facts before caring about how believes in them.

These are the same people who want to invite refugees into their own countries. So clearly their actual concern for women's rights is limited by their skewed views of inclusiveness.

>>7530506
>Most will avoid STEM on their own will because they see it as unglamorous and unfeminine.


How do you explain the fact that men with higher estrogen levels suck at math?

>>7548494
>Implying trannies aren't great at math and compsci

Neurological differences only partially explain the different outcomes in ability. The only significant (d>0.4) difference is mental rotation, but even that can be mediated by practicing, see here:
http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/users/spence/Feng,%20Spence,%20&%20Pratt%20(in%20press).pdf

Also FYI the differences aren't as much due to test/estrogen specifically but the actual maturation RATE that people go through
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/192/4239/572.short

Girls go through puberty ~1.5 years earlier which produces this effect

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>>7530408
The cynic in me say that it's how you can preserve the status quo while pretending to be a rebel.

>>7534517
Could you see it as an advantage to have someone with a feminine mind who has been socialized into a dominant role, to prepare them for a leadership position? Or would you see the male socialization mostly as a bad thing that they need to distance themselves from, and mostly use their experience as a negative example?

>>7534517
>Younger trans women tend to be a bit misandrist, because being a girl raised among boys gives you an inside look into how horrible male socialization is.
Except women are the ones who make life so unpleasant for males.

>>7557130
Nope, it's males and their socialization

women are merely tools in the process, it wouldn't be unpleasant if they weren't socialized into toxic masculinity to begin with