should sex changes be allowed

If a usual "why not?" is enough of an answer---- why not?

>>7449736
because u are mutilating ur natural body

>>7449760
And why is that a bad thing? How is it any worse than getting your ears pierced or getting a tattoo(both things I'm sure you think people are free to do and totally fine)

>>7449760
Srs is just another form of body modification. Do you consider a vasectomy to be mutilation?

>>7449771
well both those things don't change your body significantly and a tatoo is just paint.

>>7449782
>vasectomy
and yes that defiantly is

>>7449790
So when is changing the body changing it too much?

>>7449806
when u remove or add organic matter

>>7449790
tattoos were permanent up until recently. Even these days laser removal can still leave scarring.

There's also things like boobjobs that leave scars, people get liposuction, fat grafts, piercings, etc.
There's quite a bit of stuff that modifies the body way way more than hormones yet they're all still unrestricted and available to the general public.

>>7449816
This. Anyone that can afford it can go get dramatic cosmetic surgery without having to have a therapist sign off on it or jump through any other hoops.

>>7449816
and they are also wrong aswell as they can somtimes cause health problems

>>7449812
And why is that wrong? Why is wrong to do something so unnatural? If you got frostbite and needed a limb amputated would you or would you just let it rot? If you get a cavity will you go to the dentist to get it filled?

Why is it wrong for a person to change their sex for their own personal comfort when you deny your body it's natural mechanisms of decay, deny it the ability to function and fall apart in sync with the natural world, all for your own personal comfort?

>>7449760
>>7449787
so what? why should it be anyones business except mine what i do to my own body? why should the state of all things interfere if thats just what i need for my own wellbeing? and even if its for cosmetic reasons- so what? shouldnt you be able to do with yourself whatever you want to do? its not like youd be hurting anyone....

>>7449821
So what? How does that affect you if someone has health issues due to breast implants or whatever?

>>7449821
As long as the person is informed of the health issues, why is it wrong?
Just because you think it's icky doesn't make it wrong. It's also none of your business what anyone else does if it doesn't hurt others. Pursuit of happiness and all that.

>>7449760
Appeal to nature, not an argument. Just because something is or isn't natural doesn't mean it's good or bad.
>>7449812
And why do you specifically draw the line right there and not somewhere else.

>>7449829
first if u get frost bite and cut of a limb it's for survival not for stupid reasons

>>7449838
what religion are u

>>7449843
and who gets to decide what qualifies a reason to be stupid?
just because someone doesnt agree with it doesnt mean its stupid

>>7449855
Neither of those are religious ideas.

>>7449856
it's all about mental purity and the mind must not be tainted and these things can lead to it

>>7449843
Why do you want to survive though? Because it makes you happy. Same reason people get sex changes. It makes them happy.

Honestly if you want to actually really think about this I suggest you do real research on what gender dysphoria is and why people pursue sexual reassignment surgery instead of trying to start an argument over something you don't really understand.
>>7449855
Agnostic. I wasn't raised in a religious household and I don't really care about religion at all. If you try to make an argument based off religious beliefs mind you you also have to make an argument as to why I should agree with your religious beliefs. Also like the other anon said, neither of my comments had anything to do with religion.

>>7449864
no but what religion are u it's important and yes these matters are religious

>>7449866
The only way to prevent tainting of the mind is to lock yourself in a steel box and never come out.

>>7449866
what the fuck are you even talking about right now

>>7449866
Then how about you don't get a sex change if you have some weird belief of mental purity and leave everyone else alone?

>>7449872
no, no if u have a mental health problem take a knife and draw it across your throat

>>7449866
None of that really means anything but okay.
>>7449870
>yes these matters are religious
Not really. I can't think of any religion that sex changes play a part in.
>>7449882
Lol

>>7449889
well no because it wasn't around when religions were founded

>>7449895
Then how is this a religious issue?

>>7449882
i seriously want to know your reasoning behind this-
what do you think makes life worth it?
why shouldnt have someone with a mental disability the right to live?!
and again, how do you decide where to draw the line between "normal" and "not normal"?

So let's take bets, is this an inarticulate low IQ third world monkey we're arguing with, or a scared stupid 12 year old raised in a fundamentalist household trying to convince himself it's not right for him to want to be a girl?

>>7449812
so like when you eat or shit? cause that adds and removes organic mater. what about when you utilize antidepressants or anti-inflammatory drugs or antihistamines? These all alter our natural bodily state, and certainly remove organic matter. See also having sex; hymens break which is a removal and elaculation removes organic material from the body and adds it to another.

>>7449895
That's not how it works though. Anything not around when a religion was founded doesn't get a free pass. Christians think looking at online porn is immoral, despite the fact porn, recording devices, electricity, computers, and the internet all didn't exist when the Bible was written.

>>7449946
no is porn great

>>7449965
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
t. Jesus

>>7449990
im not a christian

>>7450005
Then just what the fuck are you and what's up with the whole "mental purity" bullshit?

>>7450014
don't make this an argument keep it a conversation if u think im wrong educate me and i will educate u

It's not a sex change, it's surgery to graft skin onto the body in a way that resembles human genitals. I'm not saying it has to be complete with ovaries and a uterus, I'm saying it's not a vagina just because a dick fits inside.

>>7450057
yep i agree

>>7450023
I don't see how you can do much educating when you clearly don't know a fucking thing about what you're talking about.

>>7450105
my point proven if i don't know them make me know

>>7450114
Alright, so what do you want to know about trannies then? You're talking to a real bonified tranny here so I can answer any of your questions.

>>7450122
why do it

>>7450134
why change your body so drastically

>>7450134
Because I suffer from gender dysphoria, a mental issue that makes having a male body very unpleasant and awful for me. Feel free to Google "gender dysphoria" for more info

>>7450211
may i ask how can a body feel unpleasant skin isn't like a suit

>>7449910
Neither. I bet it is a 14-18 year old troll with nothing better to do.

>>7450244
what

>>7450221
Have you ever tried driving someone elses car and everything about it feels off? Im not the other poster but this is how i feel about my body.

>>7450258
i think i get what u mean

>>7450258
>d
and how old are u

>>7449678
Sex change is not possible. It's like saying "should FTL travel be allowed". You can try, but it's just not possible right now. I think people should be allowed to try.

>>7450287
I am 27.

>>7450221
Not unpleasant in that way, emotionally. It was emotionally unpleasant to be a man.

>>7450315
>>>7450258
do u mean that your emotions didn't add up to the way ur mind worked

>>7450316
and i am 14

>>7450324
Something like that. My mental self and physical self do not match.

>>7450330
This post will get you banned. This entire website is 18+

>>7450340
do u men kind of like a gay guy for instance is a man but feels more feminine

and who the fuck gives a shit about my age

>>7450330
So you're a closeted tranny then. Gotcha.
>>7450350
Gay men don't feel more feminine they just want to have sex with dudes.

>>7450358
what gays men do feel more like women

>>7450350
A lot of gay men a very masculine and seem straight.
For me it is that I have a masculine body but innately picture myself more feminine. I do not want to be or see myself as female.

>>7450360
No, they don't. They're just like any other guy, except they want to have sex with dudes. The people who are dudes who feel more feminine on the inside and get sex changes are trans.

>>7450365
but i ask u one final question is it necessary to have a sex change to feel good why not just except yourself for who u are

>>7450377
For trans people it causes a hatred of their own body and life.

What brought you here? What made you think about it?

>>7450391
a need to understand all people and respect them even if one day i will fight against them

>>7450377
I can't want to be a boy. I didn't choose to want to be a girl, it's just how I am. I can't just stop wanting something, stop feeling emotions and something, I'm not mentally capable of that anymore or less than anyone else.

>>7450391
Chances are he's a closeted tranny trying to work out his issues by arguing on the internet. I say this because when I was fourteen I was a closeted tranny who got super religious and tried arguing against trans stuff on the internet to work out my issues.

>>7450408
thank u friend u have helped my mental purity now i do respect trans people even if i think it is wrong to have a sex change

>>7450421
Just out of curiosity, what religion are you?

>>7450432
technically

im a Christian,Buddhist,pagon but i would take hours to explain

but i also believe in islam,shinto,hindu, and all other religion as they are all right.

>>7450446
What? Explain. I'm genuinely curious.

>>7450458
do u have skype because i will type it's just a pain in my ass

>>7450468
No Skype but I have a steam account if you've got one

>>7450474
yea i do does steam have voice chat

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This is what I post every time someone like you comes around here:

Gender identity is a biologically hardwired innate sense of your body formed in the first 3 months of pregnancy (intrauterine period). It's an instinctual conviction to your shell and its function. Sex is determined at conception and gender identity is formed ~1-3 months after.

There is significant similarities between the brain morphology of ciswomen&transwomen, and cismen&transmen indicating a related origin. These dimorphic areas are most notably in the: hypothalamus structure/behavior, limbic system, white matter microstructure, and colossal shape.

Further, much of the data is interdisciplinary (neurology, molecular biology, endocrinology) and much of the neurological findings have critical controls which factor out hormone replacement therapy or current sex hormone as the genesis of these dimorphic structures.

Male cancer patients suffering from androgenic cancers (prostate/testicular), often do androgen deprivation to combat cancer. This is done through an orchiectomy or or antiandrogens. Some of these patients end up taking female sex hormones or SERMs (estrogen sex hormone only acting on some receptors, i.e. no breast growth). These male identifying patients that remove androgens from their system and take a feminizing hormone reveal masculine-typical brain structures. Indicating these patterns are not formed due to active hormones. It's a hardwired formation that doesn't change depending on active sex hormone.

Some of the modern work in this field actually controls for pre-HRT patients and find the same results. In the first study by Zhou (started this all), he examined a transgender brain post-mortem of an 80 year old organ donor. This organ donor reported feeling cross sex dysphoria throughout his life and never transitioned. Their brain matched results found by the other transgender subjects.

>>7450483
wow

>>7450498
my steam name is pigs are awsome by the way

and yeas awsome is meant to be spelled that way

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>>7450498

>>7450482
Yeah steam has voice chat, my steam is http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fagtimus0Cockatron/

>>7450523
so your name is minister of depresion

>>7450530
Yup.

>>7450534
right send me a friend request cause i can't to other people. and i need to restart my computer as i can't open steam ok

>>7450540
What's your steam?

>>7450534
pigs are awsome or moopes3 but probaly the first and yes it is spelt awsome

>>7450549
tell me when u sent it

>>7450564
I sent it, but I actually probably won't be able to talk tonight. It's gotten kinda late and I'm gonna go chill with my girlfriend and then go to sleep, but we can talk tomorrow.

>>7449678
>tfw caraposter will never transition.
>tfw she will most likely an hero in the next year because she's becoming more and more insane.

All you had to do was start HRT and be happy but instead you shitpost on 4chan all day.

>>7450573
ok

>>7449678
Sure why not? The government just shouldn't pay for it 'cause its not required.

>>7449806
When you cut off your dick.

>>7449760
That's right, "my" body. Mine.