/polgbt/ Thread

>>7378746
>19
>female
>gay
>socialist
>i hate /pol/ and all these idiots trying hard to be more 'normal' than normies and turning nazi in a result

>24
>male
>gay
>no fucking idea, tend towards the right tho
>want a /fit/ bottom bf to cuddle and extra workout after the gym. /k/ would be nice too to free the German caliphate of disgusting mudslimes

>>7378761
not all fascist are bad desu

>ftm
>19
>who cares
>finally confessed to crush and it ended up being a total letdown

>20
>male
>bi
>ancap
>I want to be the man in a semi-traditional household where the housewife is a trap

Too bad OP is a fucking statist

>20
>female
>straight (mostly)
>Idc do w.e. you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else
>im in a traditional housewife role except i have a penis

>>7378886
boyfriend or girlfriend i'm confused

>>7378746
>23
>girl(male)
>bi
>libertarian
>i hate leftists and /pol/ but i can pretend i don't hate /pol/ enough to talk to them

>>7378863
hi there.

>>7378894
huh I have a boyfriend

>>7378746

>25
>male
>bi
>libertarian socialist
>I want to be tied up and fucked by big-dicked traps

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>21
>male
>gay
>imperialist
>I feel powerless knowing our entire right to even live and breathe in this world exists solely by the grace of a bunch of cishets.

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>24
>ftm
>straight
>libertarian, with some provisions to protect people from globalism and to protect the planet
>I once lived out of my car for a month

>>7378900
so you're mtf trans

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>21
>boy
>chaser
>trans supremacist
>I've lost everything and I'm losing it and I can't take it anymore

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>>7378746
>19 almost 20
>ftm
>straight
>anarchocommie
>most days i wake up at 3pm jerk off to yuri twice before getting out of bed then order a pizza and go back to sleep

>21
>female
>bisexual
>conservative
>I think trannies are headcases and need to be treated, not enabled. I want to drop the T from LGBT

>>7378923
You sound like bro material, wanna be bros?

t. cis male

>>7378746
>18
>cis-male
>gay
>libertarian
>I joined the US military

>>7378969
it's always the cisgirls

you're right but there's no treatment for us.

>>7378981
What branch?

I'm 20 with a degree, about to try to commission and if they won't have me then enlist

>19
>Male
>Gay
>Right wing
>Ive never had a relationship because im too superficial

>>7378983
As long as my taxes don't go toward feeding hormones to young teenagers and attaching barely legal fake sausage dicks or breast implants it's not all bad.

23
MtF
Pan
Democratic socialist with Nazbol leanings.
New acquaintances find themselves getting very angry with me sometimes because I live in an SJW city, and I'm a very pleasant, polite, and docile person irl, but when people see my opinions on social media, they flip out because they think being polite is synonymous with being a neoliberal.

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>>7379012
Why are women so fucking whiny and feel so entitled to people aren't close to them and don't fucking about them? Wooahhh!!!! You had to pay for something for the first time in your life!!! What??!!!!

No one needs to hear you speak cuckquean.

>>7379028
*care about them

>>7378969
We typically get treated... with hormones...

>>7379028
You really need to be range banned or something.

>>7379046
How cruel.

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>>7379047
I've been banned 50+ times but I always rise from the grave

I don't know how I do it, honestly

>>7379056
Meh. Seems to be working out pretty well for me.

>>7378978
Yeah sure

>>7378746
>20 almost 21
>male
>bi i think
>i guess im mostly on right
>i hate my life cose i cant figure out what i want,i mostly spend my days working or sit at home doing nothing, i think i gona start hormoning cose why not

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>18
>male (With slightly gender dysphoria)
>gay
>putting it in a simple way, technocratic socialism. But I receive influences from authors both of the right (Carl Schmitt, Dugin, Leo Strauss) and the Left (Marx, Zizek, Foucault)
>I'm afraid of what my future bf would think about my scars

>21
>Male
>Bisexual
>Libertarian
>Most of my friends are socialists cause I'd never get laid otherwise

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>>7379134
i'll understand anon

>19
>male
>gay
>aristocratic
>I'm actually very nice for someone who doesn't like the low-class.

>>7379012
yes you are right, nobody's taxes should go to people's lifestyle choices, like birth control or abortion. this is no different.

>>7379182
>nobody's taxes should go to people's lifestyle choices, like birth control or abortion

I'm fine with tax money going to abortions, but only for black people

>>7379134
>Zizek
that's the "leftist" who endorsed trump and then afterwards lied about it?

>>7379182
Yeah, I agree.

>>7379182
I think taxation for comfortable living is a great idea, and I think people should be taxed further.

>>7379028
>feel so entitled to people aren't close to them
kind of like you feel about nicole?

>>7379200
that's cool then.

>>7379205
that's because you hate freedom.

btw i don't have a garden to my apartment. when are you going to chip in for my garden so i have somewhere to relax and life comfortably?

>>7379249
I think all apartments should have mandatory gardens, actually.

>>7379289
sure whatever, when are you going to put your money where your mouth is?

don't tell me, this is that old leftie motto of charity begins in other people's pockets?

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>>7379243
where did I display entitlement in that ?

>>7379311
You mean do I pay taxes? Yes. Do I vote for leftist politicians who align with my values? Yes. Do I have a garden for my veggies? Yes. Would I continue paying taxes if my politicians were elected? I'd be honoured. Not sure what your angle is, senpai.

>>7379205
If I can work less but preserve my quality of life then I would. Most people would. Can't you see how this is harmful?

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Anyone from sydney?

>>7379341
op here, i'm from az which is basically the american version of australia

>>7379329
i asked you the exact question that was 'my angle' and you ignored it, because you're too ashamed of your hypocrisy to admit what this is really about: virtue signalling over other people's money. "make the bourgeoisie do what i want them to adolf/iosef/barack/hillary!"

>>7379331
No, because I think taxation should be applied proportionally, so you won't necessarily be forced to work more to keep up with taxes, but rather those with obscene amounts of wealth won't be able to escape their dues.

>>7379346
if youve ever been to austalia youd know that every coastal city except the northern ones are like California and the rest of australia is basically texas

>>7379348
Literally what are you talking about? You asked me if I put my money where my mouth is. My answer is yes, I do everything an average citizen can do to pay taxes, and I tell other people that I support taxation. If you are asking a more substantial question, then add more substantial detail.

>>7379354
what type of animal have you had to fight there

>>7379363
>My answer is yes
no it isn't. fuck off you lying hypocrite.

i hate /pol/ but shit like you would deserve it if they got their way.

>>7379350
Taxes are applied proportionally.

The problem are legal tax loopholes, which anyone in the pocket of special interest groups will sign into law.

>>7379380
Which is precisely why I vote for people who do not give me reason to believe they are being manipulated by such groups. In my politics, loopholes won't save you.

>>7379376
So, you're retarded. Just hush before you hurt yourself.

>>7379388
eat brexit and trump

>>7378746
>31
>Male
>straightish
>Govt get out REEEEEEEE
>I want a /k/ bf/gf to shoot guns with then go work out.

>>7379396
I supported Brexit, and I think Trump was a better choice than Hillary. Again, go sit in the corner of the gulag, kiddo.

>>7379405
now i have no idea what your ideologies are.

>19
>agender
>benis
>commie
>there's nothing interesting about me

>>7379421
Kill yourself.

>>7379416
Part of being an adult is learning that your ideologies don't dictate reality. And the reality is that the EU is a shambling husk of a once admirable idea and it needs to be revisited once people have some semblance of an idea about what the hell they're doing. As for Trump, I don't like him, but he's less likely to get the States involved in another myriad of wars and destroy what few relations we still have overseas, and less likely to support neoliberal progressivism, which needs to die already.

Sure, none of the above directly benefits change I want to see in the world, but it does avoid several bad consequences I don't want to see.

>>7379453
>Part of being an adult is learning that your ideologies don't dictate reality.
what does that mean?

>the EU is a shambling husk of a once admirable idea and it needs to be revisited
what idea? revisited how?

>he's less likely to get the States involved in another myriad of wars and destroy what few relations we still have overseas
he hasn't exactly got on the good side of the british government.

>>7379469
>he hasn't exactly got on the good side of the british government.

The British are so close of an ally that this isn't even a concern. They're never not going to be our ally unless we accidentally nuke London

>25
>female
>bisexual
>far left
>constantly fighting off waves of existential dread

>>7379469
>ideology
Pic related. I'm a socialist on the far left of the political spectrum. There aren't many chances that I'll get what I want out of any capitalist societies at this juncture. Current society does not favour real leftism, and I'm well aware of this.
>what idea? revisited how?
Globalized territories. The EU was an attempt to solidify the national relations between European countries, which would largely result in a sort of internationalism that goes beyond something like the all but useless UN. I think the intentions were good and the idea is salvageable, but the way they went about it was both undemocratic and often against the interest of its members, so its failure was/is inevitable. Something like this may work well in the future if there's more of a democratic element to it where people can not only vote members (and preferably actions) into the system, but also out of it, and if the system actually pays attention to the will of its members rather than shutting themselves into their own interests.
>he hasn't exactly got on the good side of the british government.
Seriously, what are the Brits going to do about it?

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>>7379514
Fuckin' hell. There's the pic.

>>7379514
>>7379523
>Pic related. I'm a socialist on the far left of the political spectrum.
but that's not real ideology, it's just two axes. i meant what do you actually believe ideologically, not just as a point on a chart or other generalized description?

>I think the intentions were good and the idea is salvageable,
how do you think it will/should be salvaged? and when?

>Seriously, what are the Brits going to do about it?
you were concerned about destroying relations with other countries. so, there being less relation between the uk and us is the risk.

>>7378746
>30
>male
>gay
>Progressive Liberal on everything from Social Issues to fiscal issues except on immigration. I'm a hardliner and a conservative when it comes to immigration, every other issue I'm a vehement liberal on.
>I'm huge into politics, psychology, travel, cooking and video games

>>7379373
Asians

>>7379404
How about a bf who spots for you, and then licks your body clean off all the sweat from your workout head to toe.

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>>7379523

>>7379003
pics?

>>7379442
Ily2 <3

>>7378779
yeah nah fascism is pretty repulsive

>>7378981
Bad time to enlist son, Trump is the President elect, and I'm almost certain he, and Hillary if she were elected, are going to start some sort of war, just a different kind. Hillary's would have been some sort of proxy with Russia, Trump's would be with Iran or ramping up in Syria.

>27
>male
>gay
>not really anything. the only thing that determines whether or not an ideology works is what kind of people are in charge. Ideas can't make decisions or take actions that impact life, only people can and they are responsible for what they do.
>want a strongfat bf to live off the land and watch b-movies with

>>7379548
Slightly nationalistic democratic socialist. The economy should be socialized, there should be a workers' revolution from the corporate standard to something which includes more unions and co-ops. As long as a hierarchical state exists, it should serve to create equitable living across the board, even if that requires cracking down on the wealthy. Taxation is useful and necessary in a wage economy. Regulation against monopolies and oligarchies is desirable. Anything else you want to know?
>how do you think it will/should be salvaged? and when?
Well, once it has been dissolved to the point of irrelevance, I think the dust will settle about its failure, and it is once people have forgotten about the EU for the most part that a new international network/nexus should be planned out. I think I already specified that it should have input/output democracy and should be subject to the will of its members, at least to a degree. The European currency wasn't a bad idea; it was just poorly executed.
>less relation between the uk and us is the risk
I don't believe it's actually at risk, though. France and Canada shit talk the US all the time. It doesn't mean anything, really. The relationship is too valuable.

>>7379616
Yet radical leftism killed more people

>>7379675
>Anything else you want to know?
is there an endgame, full communism, ancomisn, etc?
which candidate did you like most, not just out of trump/clinton? sanders? jill stein?

>it should have input/output democracy and should be subject to the will of its members, at least to a degree.
what would that input-output democracy look like compared to what it is now? and when would that be? 20 years? 50?

>>7379713
In a less aggressive manner, it left people to fend for themselves, radical right actively pursues and persecutes people.

>>7379587
Sounds like we could work something out.

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>24
>Male
>Bicurious
>Libertarian (somewhat fascist)
>I want to achieve trap aesthetics but still be passable as a straight guy when not cross dressing. My goal is to achieve asthetics to pic related.

>>7379803
>My goal is to achieve asthetics to pic related.
do you know what happened to him in the end?

>>7379834
I heard something like he got aids, or OD'd on drugs and died. I don't know it was like two years when I found out.

>>7379850
transitioned and became a post-op escort.

>>7379867
Oh fuck I thought he died. Must have been trolled.

>>7379792
Oooo, then afterI worship your body could I have the honor of wearing your sweaty workout clothes until we get to a bed then you fuck me senseless and make me your bitch boy?

>>7379877
might have done since then for all i know.

>>7379894
As long you you will wear a collar and a leash and be my battle buddy telling me how operator I am ;) on your ass.

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>>7379176
W-what?

>>7380031
What's a battle buddy and an operator?

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>>7378746
>27
>male
>gay
>conservative
>I just want a world without jews or muslims

>>7379765
>endgame
Good question. I haven't really solidified my certainty about wanting a full communist society, although I've heard convincing ancom arguments. I'm not so sure that I mind a state existing, so I'd probably be content with a socialist state, but if the transition to stateless society were to occur, I might not necessarily mind. Plus there's the issue that I think my culture is superior to many others and I would prefer that it be maintained, which seems only ethically possible in a state society.
>US politician
I live in Canada, so I don't think it matters who I prefer, but I do concern myself with US politics because it always affects us. I don't think any of the major candidates were good. I would have voted for Stein, as she seemed the least awful.
>EU now
Well, I know that members can vote officials into an EU position, but once they're in, there isn't a way to really vote them out if they turn out to be trash, so that would be fixed. Similarly, I think that if a major policy comes out of the EU that affects everyone, like mass immigration, member states should be able to individually vote out of those motions. As for when, well, I don't know when the EU will be dissolved enough, but I'd say 10 years thereafter might be okay, unless people seem ready to discuss it before then.

>24
>Male
>Gay/confused
>sort of anarchocapitalist, or maybe just libertarian, kind of a semantics thing
>Im a literally friendless virgin stupid disappointment to the family loser who is bound to fail at all aspects of life forever

>>7380207
Aww don't beat yourself up THAT much, everyone has something going for them in some way

>>7380222
Oh yeah, then wat?

>>7380207
Don't be so hard on yourself mate. Look, I didn't lose my virginity until I turned 26 but that time was really special and fun.

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>>7378746

there's literally nothing wrong with that as long as you keep it a public secret in the coming ethnostate
>23
>male
>transsexual
>national socialist
>probably will never see the racial state realized but at least I'll raise a lovely family as a wonderful mother with the perfect husband

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>>7380262
Then enjoy some pasta with me

21
Straight Mexi-male who wants to make America great again
>seriously in denial about cock loving tendencies due to repressive Jehovah's witnesses parents
>pic kinda related

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>>7380310
Shit

>>7380269
I'm on a diet

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>age

19.

>gender

Male.

>sexuality

Bisexual.

>political view

NRx, Techno-Commercialism, neocameralism, and palaeo-libertarianism; I also strongly sympathize with ethno-nationalism.

>and something about yourself

I have a crush on Millenial Woes.

>>7379421
>agender

this board isn't for you

>>7380326
Then don't eat as much dangit

>>7378907

"Imperialism" is a really vague political identification.

>>7378906

>libertarian socialist

Explain. Do you mean voluntary labor collective companies in an AnCap or NeoCam framework? AnSyn?

>>7378965

>AnCom

The Labor Theory of Value is BS though.

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>>7379027

>NazBol

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>>7379346

>TFW living AZ and wanting fash BF

What city, senpai?

>>7379510

Are you a living meme?

>>7379555

>Progressive Liberal on everything from Social Issues to fiscal issues except on immigration. I'm a hardliner and a conservative when it comes to immigration, every other issue I'm a vehement liberal on.

So, you're alt-left?

>>7378746
>20
>male (FtM)
>Straight
>Libertarian
>I want everyone to do their own shit, I don't care what other people will do. I'll die later anyway.

>>7380171

My niggle.

>>7380482
Nice to know I'm not the only one.

>>7380265
Its completely impossible for me to even imagine myself having any opportunities that could develop into a social relationship that could turn into sex. Like theres no context where I could meet someone

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>>7380433
What if it?

>>7380699
*What of it?

>>7379126
Wait till you're 35+ lol

>>7380467
There's sucha thing as alt left?

>>7380778
I know /leftypol/ sorta took a liking to the term "brocialists".

>>7380453
already have a bf, sorry

>>7378746
I don't know how you can embrace the /pol/ position and be any type of tranny

The entire worldview is predicated on social Darwinism and genetic domination, if you're taking on that role as a male then your worth is almost nill based on the value system. Embracing it means you have to place yourself at the very bottom in terms of social worth which means your self esteem will be practically non existent, it's terrible.
I just really don't understand how you can reconcile the two in any meaningful way. Are you fine with considering yourself (and being percieved by others) as completely inferior?

>>7381003
Some trannies are self-loathing and some want traditionalist societies but with trannies occupying traditional male/female roles for FtM's and MtF's respectively.

>>7381022
>traditional male/female roles for FtM's and MtF's respectively
They can't though, since neither can reproduce. People that ruin their reproductive systems have no place in a traditionalist society in a meaningful way. The only places where they might fit is if they accept celibacy as priests/nuns and dedicate their life to the Church

>>7381033
Which is totally an option and might be considered noble. I'm not saying it makes sense to me. I'm just throwing out hypotheses.

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>>7378746
>20
>male
>trap enthusiast
>ethnocentric Isolationist
>I want a trap gf who likes being in the role of a traditional housewife
>tfw I live on an island
>mfw it's not one of the good ones

>>7381003
yes I am fine with it, also i'm not a tranny

>>7381039
I just wonder how other people internalize it, I'm sympathetic to some fascist and traditionalist societies and their benefits but I really can't bring myself to embrace that type of world view because I'm trans.

>>7380267
>lovely family
>not genetically related

lel

why would a "perfect" husband ever want you over a real girl?

>24
>Female (Transgender)
>Bisexual (estrogen and coming out making me lean more towards cute guys)
>Democratic Socialist (Ellison supporter)
> I was involved in doing sexual acts for rewards that fucked me up pretty bad (was Republican who campaigned for Romney)

>>7381109
like what rewards

>>7381113
Uhhh... If i name specific benefits that I got, I think that could jeopardize my safety atm. I am very very very ashamed that I went that low, but at the time I wanted to advance my career and pay for a single bedroom apartment because I tried to share an apartment with random assigned roommates at my uni and it went south like day one.

So TLDR: advancements and $$$

>>7381144
Just like to further mention I cut myself almost daily back then, now I'd recommend to other trans women to just be homeless cause sex work will fuck you up.

>>7380778

NazBol, NatCom, and EthNat AnSocs.

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>>7380899

> 21 / m / bi
> leftist
> I feel like I'm too late to the coming out game and still pretty uncomfortable/clueless flirting with guys.

>>7379134
A lot of us have been there too mate, don't worry.

>>7378746
>20
>fem"""boy"""
>gay vers, low sex drive
>socialist
>desperately want to date my doppelganger

I didnt think there was any Libertarians here
Proud of you fags

>19
>female
>bi
>national socialist(but not in a dumb nazi racist/sexist/homophobic way, just genuinely a fan of nationalism and socialism.)
>I love my girlfriend. We had really sweet and romantic sex a few hours ago.

>18
>male
>bi sexual
>pretty conservative
>i told my two best guy friends that i was bi about a week ago. they couldnt give less of a fuck and never has more of a weight been lifted off my shoulders, i was always so scared because theyre pretty homophobic
>feelsgoodman.png

>>7380171
yer givin me a ragin boner here friendo

>>7378746
30
male
gay
puritan/ theocrat
I'm devoutly religious.

>>7381231
>EthNat AnSocs

fucking what lad

>>7381554
ethnical nationalist anarcho socialists? lol i don't even know anymore, all these people making up ideologies like special snowflakes

>>7381582
I'm a pansocialist meaning I'm open to different variations of socialism.

How many LGBT people are really for open borders, mass immigration and multiculturalism? It always seems like they are huge supporters of this.

>>7381605
i'm an asocialist
it means i use 4chan

>>7381629
most of them unfortunately

>23
>mtf
>straight
>Corporatocratic
>I've had sex only 10 times in my life, with 10 different people

>>7381629
Subsidising people's health-treatments and looking after them is a good way to encourage them into your ideology. Of course the left's mode of 'looking after' always becomes teaching its groups to see threats that aren't there, and then claiming to protect from those imaginary threats, but you know.

>>7381554

Ethno-nationalist anarcho-socialists.

>>7381679
>>7381582
>anarchist and nationalist
>non-global socialist

fucking how

>>7381629

I'm not and I doubt most of this board (including commies) is. This board is half alt-right and half alt-left with a few SJW agitators.

>>7381629
Not me. I'm a liberal for tighter immigration, border control, and a fucking wall on BOTH borders.

>>7381653

>Corporatocratic

So, neocameralist?

>>7381693
Yeah, but didn't want to be too niche about it

>>7381685

My only lefty friend is literally that,

>>7381695

My niggle.

Age: 24;
Sex: male;
Sexual orientation: homosexual;
Political position: Bureaucratic technocracy with authoritarian and socialist elements, surveillance state, elimination of unnecessary social constructs.
Whatnot: I have a dream of both being a wife of a man but also of being a sexless machine doing its job.

>>7381685
Funnily enough, people stopped using socialism as a cognomen for communism ~1919.

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>>7381715

>civic nationalist

>>7381751
>nationalist
yuck

>>7380171
I want a world without muslims too. Because the vast majority of them want a world without me or my people.

>>7381777
Cultures are abstract concepts. They don't believe in anything, though they include systems of beliefs. And they don't attack people.

The essence of nationalism is in valuing your own nation: language, customs, traditional morality, ethnicity. On the other hand, denying asylum to radical islamic refugees, solely because their presence in a society with humanistic norms will result in conflict, has nothing to do with nationalism.

The concept of nation should be dead and buried under the ground to decay. It is very similar in nature to the kind of stupidity from which the islamic radicals suffer.

>>7381676
>>7381690
>>7381691
Ok. It just seems to be very common in the media and social media that LGBT doesn't really like having control on immigration etc.

>>7378746
Are there any Muslim or Jewish gay men here? How about Hindi?

>>7381676
> those imaginary threats
Like "starving", " homelessness" and "dying from easily preventable diseases"?

>>7381970
Not quite. I think having any identity is a poor way to define oneself in the world. National identities are included.

>>7378746
Any gay anons here come from slave stock?

>>7382023
What does the word 'nation' mean for you?

>>7382054
The world, we are one nation.

>>7381829
Exactly. Let alone the fact they hate women and hygiene too.

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>>7380171
>>I just want a world without jews or muslims

Hnnnng

>19
>male
>gay
>conservative/nationalist

Enlisted in the millitary ATM, i just want someone who shares my politics to by my BF. Last relationship got fucked becouse of my pilotical views :(

>22
>fucking white male
>biscum
>(((conservative))) libertarian

>tfw no bf to shitpost on /pol/ with then read manga or literature with after
life isn't fair REEEEEEEE

>>7382964
>tfw no bf to shitpost on /pol/ with then read manga or literature with after
OH DEAR GOD YOU'RE AWESOME

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>18
>male
>gay
>capitalist
>Crash Team Racing in my opinion, is greater than any Mario Kart ever made

>>7381060
>why would a "perfect" husband ever want you over a real girl?
because i'm better than any stupid cis girl.

>>7381715
is that bra built in to her top?

>free market
>polyamorous
so a whore?

>>7382971
you too anon

>>7379126
>i hate my life cose i cant figure out what i want

You don't have to want anything.

>>7379421
>agender
>there's nothing interesting about me

You're clearly trying to make up something interesting. How about getting a hobby instead?

>>7379028

You mean like how transwomen feel entitled to have the government pay for their transition surgery? L M A O

>>7379644
>Ideas can't make decisions or take actions that impact life, only people can and they are responsible for what they do.

You do realize that people take action based on ideas, right? I think this may be the most vapid anit-intellectual political opinion I've read in a long time. I do hope you're just saying this to look cool and don't actually believe this load of shit.

>>7380134
Go to /k/ and study.

>>7383276
Can we all just agree that NOBODY should be entitled to anything paid for by "the government" (really other people's money stolen at gunpoint).

>18
>male
>bi
>anti-jew french communist
>want to be deeply fuck by emo friend

>28
>male
>bi/pan
>Pragmatic libertarian globalist
>Though I disagree with Ayn Rand on a lot of things now, I still think she nailed it with Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology.

>>7383362
>I disagree with Ayn Rand on a lot of things now,
Namely?

>>7383394
Almost everything she had to say about psychology. Her approach to the 'tabula rasa' concept seems to be an escape from the implications of human consciousness having a physical (and thus largely deterministic) nature. She looked down on drug use, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it (I mean, you can become unhealthy by eating too much food, but there's nothing inherently wrong with food).

She was way too optimistic about politics. I don't think there's any good way to go from the current state of the world to her ideal, at least not in the next few lifetimes. Any attempt would probably result in more violence and disruption than it's worth.

I definitely largely agree with her metaphysics and ontology, though, and most of her ethics.

>>7383443
>Her approach to the 'tabula rasa' concept seems to be an escape from the implications of human consciousness having a physical (and thus largely deterministic) nature.
But that physical nature is so far removed that we can't consciousness in physical terms. So in practice, isn't that technical largely deterministic nature irrelevant?

>She was way too optimistic about politics.
How so?

>I don't think there's any good way to go from the current state of the world to her ideal, at least not in the next few lifetimes. Any attempt would probably result in more violence and disruption than it's worth.
Can't we gradually move in that direction, not so radically there's disruption, but enough that it gets closer and ignore how long it takes? Basically a long-term view.

>>7378761
fuck you

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>19
>m
>faggot
>conservative
>masc, into fems. n college. spend lotta time at the gym.

>>7383496
>So in practice, isn't that technical largely deterministic nature irrelevant?

It could be extremely relevant, depending on what that nature is. The fact that we don't know yet demands investigation, not acceptance. One of the core assertions of Ayn Rand's ethics is that people are directly responsible for their own mental state; if that's not the case then it causes a lot of other assertions that depend on that to fail.

>>She was way too optimistic about politics.
>How so?

She thought that people could be convinced to do the right thing. Most people only want to confirm their biases.

>Can't we gradually move in that direction, not so radically there's disruption, but enough that it gets closer and ignore how long it takes? Basically a long-term view.

Yes, that's why I said 'at least not in the next few lifetimes'.

>>7383611
>One of the core assertions of Ayn Rand's ethics is that people are directly responsible for their own mental state; if that's not the case then it causes a lot of other assertions that depend on that to fail.
If people aren't responsible for their own mental state, because of physical determinism, then what role do ethics of any kind have?

>>7378746
>21
>mtf
>bi
>independant
>i somtimes pee and ejaculate into empty water bottles and leave them in my room. got up to 10 full ones once untill my parents forced me to get rid of them.

>26
>male
>bi
>fascist
>bf alt-right (converted)
tfw you get from enlightening people about the will of the Jude.

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>all these special snowflake leftists

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>>7383919
Only let the nationalists walk.

Any person who identifies as /polgbt/ is a certified retard.

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>>7383946
/pol/ just like /lgbt/ is a mix of a lot of ideas and people.

>>7378863
>>7378898
>>7378923
>>7378981
>>7379144
>>7379404
>>7379803
>>7380207
>>7380352
>>7380475
>>7382964
>>7383362
>come in expecting 90% Marxist-Leninist-Squidwardism
>see these beautiful freedom lovers

>>7383962
>>Pragmatic libertarian globalist
uhhhhhhh

>>7378746
>20
>Cis Male
>Bisexual
>Socialist with strong humanitarian leanings
>people who unironically complain about the left is the enemy and that society needs to be preserved are delusional

>>7383919
>>7383938

>getting violent urges based on political views
>but leftists are the one that base their politics on feelings

>>7384086
>but leftists are the one that base their politics on feelings
*ego

>>7384113
>Desiring a more equal and just society is egotistical
>implying the base desire of libertarians and conservatives is not the preservation of themselves and the status quo that secures the former

>>7384146
>more equal and just
So nothing within a million miles of the left then.

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>>7384146
>>implying the base desire of libertarians and conservatives is not the preservation of themselves and the status quo that secures the former

secures a safe future for "my" kids and people.

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>>7378746
21
Mtf
Bisexual
Ethnic nationalist
I can squat 2pl8, I know a fair amount of /out/ material and I'm going to get into /k/ shit soon enough. I'll be be damned if a 3rd world yokel wants to take my freedom anyway because his ancient war propaganda says its okay.

>>7379200
Oh you're not even that bad then. Do you still think I'm a head case if I admit to just being a neurological screw up that took hormones to alleviate it a bit? My sex is always male even if I'm more comfortable looking female.

>>7378746
>28
>m
>?
>white nationalist
>in a monogamous relationship with a transitioning girl who is my loving supporting gf/future wife

>>7383778
What the fuck?

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>18
>male
>gay
>National Socialist
> i want to be a traditional housewife for a qt3.14 germanic bf

>>7384492
thought that was trans not gay?

>>7384518
i only want to do the things a housewife does, i dont want to be a woman just a qt twink

>>7384542
oh cool me too, although i'd rather be a girl as well.

>20
> mtf tranny
> mostly attracted to men
> egoist anarchist
> i want big strong man to hold me an protect me

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>>7378863
>>7378965
>>7380207
>anarchists

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>>7384568
i thought about being a trap, but id rather just be a feminine qt.
>tfw nationalist parties will rule my country soon

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>>7384595
anarchists get out reeeeeeeee

>>7378746
>18
>MtF
>I want a bf
>Libertarian
>Afraid of coming out to conservative family

>>7384604
i hate that rainbow flag

why can't lgbt's have right-wing culture?

oh right, it's leftists who need to celebrate their "identity" and right wing lgbt's are integrated.

>>7378746
>27
>male
>gay
>right libertarian
>I want a monogamous relationship with a qt femboy

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>>7384688
dubs of truth.
its because leftist ideology survives on the idea of people being persecuted

>>7384696
how qt does your femboy have to be?

>>7384726
good luck geert!

scared about europe after austria this week though.

did someone say anachists?

>16
>meme lord
>agender
>pan
>MAGA anarcho-commie

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>>7384774
good luck with your ban

>21
>male
>bi
>libertarian but hate jews, muslims and niggers
>I just want hot american white boy (redneck prefered) to be my DL bf. But Im an europoor (Barcelona) :(

>>7384750
>how qt does your femboy have to be?
small, skinny, hairless with a cute face

OP here also say what your height is, i'm 5'6

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>>7384985
6"3
feels good being dutch

>>7384071
Marry me!

>>7384492
Who is THAT!?!?!?

>>7385091
idk i got it off /pol/

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>>7378746
>21
>MtF
>transbian
>socialist
I can't believe there are this many people ITT who are this far right

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>>7385151
are you triggered?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=froTxqKSqc4

>>7385101
/pol/ is more gay then I thought then.

>>7385319
nah, it was posted in a "medeterreans vs nordics" thread

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>>7381003
>muh hitler was a social darwinist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8bSZSHb88
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/caseforgermany/cfg13.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQr2hnf1aU

>>7385337
Still gay to have that on your computer.

>>7385319
they don't hate gays, they hate faggots

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>>7384086
>thinking those were violent reactions and not just shitposting
>Taking a picture of a cat with a sniper rifle and interpreting it as a violent urge
>leftist intellectuals

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>>7378965
>ancom

>>7386078
>I don't hate blacks i hate niggers

>>7386310
a nigger by definition is an uneducated black man, thus you can be black but not be a nigger

>21
>male
>gay (mostly)
>Anarchist
>Into DnD, vidya, anime, and politics

>>7384071
> Humanitarian Socialist

Do you have a particular tendency you're fond of?

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>24
>Ftm
>Bisexual
>In the middle I guess. I don't have my ideology down pat yet
>I want a cute gay/bi bf (cis or trans) to hang out, travel, and play video games with.

>>7382940

>i just want someone who shares my politics to by my BF.

So do I; do you live in AZ?

>>7382964

>tfw no bf to shitpost on /pol/ with then read manga or literature with after

I can do that. Where do you live?

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>22
>mtf
>bi
>pretty centrist over all, although a slight tint of nationalism and cryptofascism
>i just want a cuddly bara bf to live a nice quiet life with

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>>7386775
>quiet life

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18
gay
male
libertarian
i dutch and struggle with english and all my friends make fun me for it

>18
>mtf
>bi but prefer straight relationship
>Integralist, left-wing nationalist
>Really into quantitative social science

>>7385021
i feel yea, you don't know how good it feel until you are. i mean you cant control your nationality but still.

>>7384688
because right wing nazi's loved you so much back in the day before we fought for your rights

>20
>Male
>Bi
>Centrist with generally leftist leanings
>I have pretty low standards for beauty, as long as you ain't ugly I'd be fine with being with you.

>17
>male
>gay
>leftist
>I kinda like drawing sometimes

27
Male
Gay
Socialist
I haven't fucked my boyfriend in months

>>7378746

gay nazi? like ernst rohm

>>7387234
OP here, I'm somewhere between white nationalist and civic nationalist

>>7387225
why?

>>7378746
>20
>Male
>Gay
>Tribalist, idk If I'll finish going down the facist rabbit hole
>I want to be the "wife" in a traditional household of redpilled pagans

>>7385151
>I can't believe there are this many people ITT who are this far right
why not?

>>7387186
you can shove my rights up your ass, i'd rather have to stay in the closet and be unable to transition than live in the kind of society you guys want to turn the world into.

>>7378746
19
Male
Bi
Communist
Want to roam around fucking girls, boys, transgirls and trans boys before settling down at like 35 or so

>>7378746
>20
>FtM
>I like males and I'm picky about other FtMs, maybe I'm into some types of females? idfk
>I don't know shit about politics. I just want a system where people take care of each other and people are free to do whatever as long as they aren't hurting others. Isn't that Libertarianism? Sort of?
>I wish I could live off the grid with another strong husband somewhere where it snows and there's lots of forests. Solar power, farm and gardening, fishing, making our own clothes. Wholesome living.

>26
>repressed mtf, living as male
>bi
>anti-corporate socialist
>I was scared. I was sure I would lose everything - my friends, my family, my career, my finances... I still think I was right about losing everything, but when I think about how I ended up, I regret every day choosing the path I did. I work a job I hate to buy things I don't want so I can live a life I don't enjoy and impress people I don't like. I want more than anything to be comfortable with my own body. but I think it is too late for that. Part of me wonders if it was always too late.

19
Bi
Whatever keeps the pakis out of our country and the Germans out of our courts of law
I just want a cute girlfriend/girlfriend(male) to snuggle and play vidya with, but there's a lack of willing boipussy in the British Army

>>7388520
>I just want a system where people take care of each other
stalinist communism or nazi socialism.

>and people are free to do whatever as long as they aren't hurting others.
ancapism.

>>7388560
>I want more than anything to be comfortable with my own body.

Do trans people really think cis people are comfortable with their bodies?

>>7388865
>Whatever keeps the pakis out of our country and the Germans out of our courts of law
good on you

>I just want a cute girlfriend/girlfriend(male) to snuggle and play vidya with
comfy

>>7389426
uh yes

>>7389486
>uh yes

That's hilarious. Almost nobody is comfortable with their body. Even most hot cis people are riddled with insecurities about mundane shit like flab and their skin and hair and all sorts of random crap that varies from individual to individual.

>21
>Toaster
>Straight
>Neo-Nazi
>Can speak fluent German

>>7389527
that's different. they don't want to be an entirely different person.

>>7389561
>>Toaster
what

>>7389575
They often do. The person they want to be just happens to have the same biological sex as the person they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

>Besides thinking about it, one repetitively checks and compares the perceived flaw, and can adopt unusual routines to avoid social contact that exposes it.

>Severely impairing quality of life via educational and occupational dysfunction and social isolation, BDD involves especially high rates of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.

>Via BDD, some persons experience delusions that others are covertly pointing out their flaws.

>But most generally, one experiencing BDD ruminates over the perceived bodily defect up to several hours daily, uses either social avoidance or camouflaging with cosmetics or apparel, repetitively checks the appearance, compares it to that of other persons, and might often seek verbal reassurances.

Sound familiar, trans folks?

>>7389630
ok yeah that's being trans, just not for gender.

wonder if they were born transbody.

>>7378746
>20
>male
>gay
>err, libertarian socialist with "conservative" tendencies I guess ?

>my parents were basically socialists themselves as far are politics go, but for child-raising, they were extremely conservative.
>no drugs, no going out, no phone and no computer until 16.
>no rights to use the family computer until you've done your part of family's chores
>basically forced me to do boy-scouts (which I liked in the end)

>>7386753
england senpai

>>7389869
>>no drugs, no going out, no phone and no computer until 16.
>>no rights to use the family computer until you've done your part of family's chores
That's harsh. How else were they strict?

And how did they take you coming out?

>>7381003
>Embracing it means you have to place yourself at the very bottom in terms of social worth which means your self esteem will be practically non existent, it's terrible.
>I just really don't understand how you can reconcile the two in any meaningful way. Are you fine with considering yourself (and being percieved by others) as completely inferior?
I do have low self-esteem and see myself inferior, like a woman. I'm not going to pick and choose ideologies just because they empower me.

I don't think you need to have low self-esteem though. You can just see yourself as wanting to be in the female role in a traditional society, never mind being unable to reproduce.

>>7381022
>Some trannies are self-loathing and some want traditionalist societies but with trannies occupying traditional male/female roles for FtM's and MtF's respectively.
Both of these.

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>>7390023
>How else were they strict?
Mom was obssessed with recycling and life hygiene and would act obsessed if you didn't recycle, didn't eat healthy, didn't do sport. She was the one who insisted we (me + brother + sister) did boy scouts and insisted that we witness mass with the scouts - even though none of us were Christians.
I would describe her as exigent. She still act rather angry at me for apparently not keeping my apartment clean (in all fairness, she does help me with that a lot, so she's right to complain).

>And how did they take you coming out?
Mom though I was actually trans, because I didn't show "signs" of being gay. She took the initial new extremely badly - probably though it was her fault since she reads a lot about Freud and such.
She warmed up to it and apologised after seeing a play about this in her school.
Dad made it extremely clear that the family house was not the place to talk about "girlfriends, boyfriends or whatever" and never really addressed this again.

They still love me, but they probably resent not giving a grand-grand-grand-child to my 95 yo grand-grand-father. Same thing with Dad's parents, they keep telling me to give them a little girl.

Feel kinda bad about this. And for the blogpost too.

>>7378746
>21
>Female
>Bi with a super strong lean towards other women
>Centre-Left
>On Saturday, I went to a lesbian bar for the first time and for some reason, they thought I was a lost Romanian woman. I wasn't lost and I'm not Romanian.

>>7379341
Oh hey an actual person from Sydney
Every Australian on 4chan seems to be from out in the middle of nowhere and I don't quite get it
I guess on this board we probably have extra folks from melbourne too

>>7378761
I was with you until that last part. What...?

>>7390099
So they were demanding but not huge disciplinarians?

>She was the one who insisted we (me + brother + sister) did boy scouts
Boy scouts for sis?

>Mom though I was actually trans, because I didn't show "signs" of being gay. She took the initial new extremely badly - probably though it was her fault since she reads a lot about Freud and such.
What signs did she expect?! And what made her think trans? And what was so wrong with being gay in her eyes?

>21
>fuck you
>aroace
>anprim/what's the point capital will destroy the earth
>YES i AM that ""special snowflake"" you've heard so much about, its is I, the spectre of the truly dark ages, the anal prolapse of fin-de-siecle thought spewing from your screen, blackening your fat bourgeois fingers with the tar of gender nihilism. Don't hesitate, please, call me an "edgelord", we'll see which side of the edge you'll end up on in the coming insurrection. You can muddy the waters all you like with impotent appeals to your false gods of "liberty", "reason" and "justice" (what us in the business like to call spooks), but never forget automatons, that the truths you fight for, are the follies you die by.
Happy browsing, see you in hellworld cowboys ;3

>>7390178
Scouts were mixed where I lived. Said boy scouts because couldn't translate.
Dad used to raise his hand on me until I was 17. Mom was more about making us eat alone, but I was very rarely punished.

>Signs of being gay
I was not a flaming guy, I was tall, well-built and extremely reserved.
>What made her think trans
Don't know. Probably that if I liked men while not being a stereotypical gay, I was a tranny. More than likely she read about AGP.
>why was being gay wrong
I imagine she viewed gay people are idlers, dumb, effeminate and uncapable, urban consumerists, which everything she despise. Imagine the gay pride stereotype, but she was more shocked by the consummerism than the provocation.

>>7390259
>Dad used to raise his hand on me until I was 17.
That's practically adult...

>>7378746
>19
>male
>fascist (Italian way - no race, supportive of family values, corporativism with state control, state is the highest entity (so no nation either - that derives from state) and so on)
>crossdresser considering hormones (my face is shit, worried I would end up as a hon)
>virgin

>>7390339
It almost never happened (once a month, max) he would only do so when extremely angry and would not really hit hard. It was more about the sentimental pain than the physical, like one slap and be done with it.

>>7378746
>22
>Female
>Bi
>Toxic extremists are awful and tiring to be around. I don't care what side you're on politics is not an excuse to shit up the place. SJWism perverts a cause away from helping people and into point-scoring nonsense. Meanwhile /pol/stuff is an affront to actual traditional values. These invasive ideologies stick perfectly respectable people between a rock and a hard place and make it harder to discuss anything with nuance.

>>7390459
>SJWism perverts a cause away from helping people
Pro tip: the cause was never about helping people.

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>>7378746

>19
>Cis female
>Biscum
>lolbertarian, anti SJW
>I want to be a traditional housewife with a breadwinner wife/husband who I browse /pol/ with before bed. We'll have kids, a cat, and maybe a doggo.

>>7390343
OP here, the Italian way is basically civic nationalism but more right leaning

>>7378746
>post your age, gender, sexuality, political view, and something about yourself
Okay.

>>19
24

>>male
Female

>>gay
Hetero

>>fascist
Honestly don't know. I have some fiscally liberal ideas, but when it comes to society, I'm fairly conservative.

>>I want to be a trap while in a traditional housewife role
I *am* a trap while in a traditional housewife role.

>>7390531
... no it isn't?
Talking about pre-1938 (specifically pre-Mussolini deciding to align with Hitler, so basically 1936, shortly after the Stressa front) Italy there are so many leftist things that that ideology can't be considered far-right by anyone. Supporting mothers? Worker rights? State control of corporations? State control of crucial industries (Confindustria)?
Nationalism has developed as time went on, but it isn't, ideologicaly, part of fascism - at least not in the terms in which we understand it today.
The state is the thing that can create nation, not the other way around, the state is supreme - that is anything but right leaning.

>>7390524
it's cool that cis girls as well as mtfs want to be traditional housewives.

how do you square being bi with traditional monogamy?
>inb4 implying bis are sluts

>>7390547
OP here, oh ok I was somewhat confused

>>7390555

In all honesty:

>obtain wife
>obtain dildos

I don't think there's much need for any more man around the house than that. Finding a careerwoman lezzy might be a challenge though.

>>7390570
i'm a bi mtf who wants to be a housewife but i couldn't settle for just toys. i want a man and a woman.

>>7390616
>Pedo
>wants to be a father
No.

>>7390616
>>Anarcho-communist
Through anarcho away. And let's go exterminate some fascists. Then, I'll create you a child which you may fuck as much as you want.

>>7390643
>Then, I'll create you a child which you may fuck as much as you want.

This fucking board...

>>7390648
There is no problem, actually, Just before it grows up with a trauma/drama, it should be euthanized, obviously.

>>7390734
You don't love them in the good way

>>7390648
They are larping and/or projecting their fantaisies on a harmless way. It's not the most disgusting thing I've seen here

>>7390643
How can two men create a child ?

>>7390776

>how can two men create a child?

Bacteria growth in a mutual cumbox

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>>7390806
It's probably bait but really, I want to be a parent too and I wouldn't have anyone like you approach near my adopted child
Usually pedos are more of the libertarian kind, bitching about consent age and creepy things like that

>>7390806
>I want to cuddle them to sleep, take them to the park, play in the sand, lay with them when they're sick, teach them the truth about the world, take them all over the world, make them feel safe and loved, etc.
can't deny fantasizing about being on the receiving end of this sort of thing.

>>7390776
Hmm, let's use two genomes of X-spermatozoids. Put them into a cell with lysed chromatin, epigenetically reprogram it, and force oogenesis. Then, everything can be done artificially.