why jaw reduction yields to horrible results?

>>7350338
>logface anon strikes back

>>7350364
what are you talking about? Please say something relevant to the thread

>>7350369
Just fucking transition, repressed hon. And please see a psych, because there's clearly something wrong with you.
To me the jaws look fine, I don't see a problem, they all pass.

their necks look really weird too, as if their altered jawlines are no longer framing the neck correctly.

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>>7350338
>It looks as a typical man's jaw but with something missing. Why is it that?

Because that's what it is?

>>7350375
oh listen faggot, I hope you die with aids. Piece of shit, it is transbians like you that ruin it for everybody since you clearly have no standards for passability if these jaws look fine to you. Piece of shit

>>7350338
bottom left looks pretty cis to me?

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>>7350474
oh really? wow, you have very low standars. Looks like a fucking man to me and to any sane person

>>7350338

>Douglas "Just fuck my shit up" Ousterhout

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>>7350474
looks like a man with bad plastic surgery

>>7350440
Upset? They all appear to be in their 40s+, which is about the same time the skin naturally gets wrinkly, loose and begins to sag.

>>7350494
hurr durr LOL and imagine Ousterhout was the best, he was the father of FFS. If he was the best and chopped jaws up, imagine the worst ones like Zukowski and Spiegel.

>>7350511
idiot, I knew you were gonna pull out the aging excuse. I am talking about the jaw contour, you disgusting mongoloid, not about the skin.

>>7350513
where does Bart sit on the scale?

>>7350519
Autism.

>>7350521
Bart is possibly worse than Zukowski. Remember, all FFS surgeons are really bad otherwise they would cater to normal people who have higher standards than trannies. FFS doctors cater to trannies and prey on their desperation with false hopes. They are all really bad and don't fucking know what they are doing.

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>>7350536
so you mean, if you actually want "good" ffs, to see a general maxillo-facial/orthognathic surgeon?

>>7350531
hiv infested autogynephile

>>7350547

Those fucking le fort procedures scare the shit out of me.

>>7350563
i'm convinced that the mid-face length is important, especially if you're already reducing the jaw and chin, to keep things in proportion.
i'm sure it's what makes a lot of otherwise attractive transwomen not pass.

Fuck. I might just stay on hrt and give up hope of some post-ffs decent life. Fucking (((ousterhout))).

>>7350570
That procedure must be extremely expensive.
And another issue would be how the nose will still be too long.

>>7350728
rhinoplasty for the nose though.

>>7350735
Maybe, but I believe you'd need a specialist one.

Also, with such a procedure you'll also have to do jaw work, to align the two properly, and then possibly need to have braces.
It'd be a lot of money, probably between $10-30k for those things.

>>7350756
are you speaking out of your ass? You have any fucking idea of how much FFS costs with Spiegel? With Spiegel is 55 k, with Deschamps even more. Stupid

>>7350547
this is actually a very important procedure that trannies need but, lo and behold, it is not included in FFS

>>7350338

I thought Ousterhout retired?

>>7350819

Spiegel increased his rate by $15k? Damn.

>>7350857
Ousterhout retired. He was an incompetent overrated old fart. Now, Deschamps took over.

A friend of mine went to Spiegel and paid 55k for complete FFS> She ended up with a very crooked nose with saddle deformity and open roof deformity, crooked jaw, sagging skin (and she is young)

>>7350338
what are those squiggly blue lines

>>7350828

That's probably because you need to be a maxillofacial surgeon to do that and most FFS surgeons aren't.

>>7350914

I'd fucking never go to any of the current ****top***** FFS doctors.

I'll save my money until I can see top-tier specialists for each part of my face, no matter how long it takes.

I'd rather be a hon temporarily than an uncanny looking *****semi-passing****** hon permanently.

>>7350819
I'm not talking about scammers.

Full FFS as it is now is like $25-30K.
Doing that procedure might just double your FFS cost.

>>7350964
you are misinformed. Deschamps and Spiegel charge over 50k.

Also, go to any FFS surgeons, have them screw up your nose, your jaw, make you look uncanny, dish out over 50 k and have them tell you "you can't expect perfection"

>>7350338
How many of these threads are you going to make, skull size autist?

>>7351084
lick my menstruation

>>7351106
We all know you can't do that. We know it's you.

oh look its another thread from the total skull sperg.

lmfao. saddest part is you have to be trans cause cis people literally don't notice this shit at all. let alone spend hours fixating on this.

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>>7350513
>zukowski
>bad
Michelle Hendley would like to have a word with you

>>7350958

Aren't you worried about the neurological damage from being under anesthesia even once, let alone multiple times?

>>7351121
wipe my ass with your tongue after I have taken a dump

>>7351214

I'd imagine that having them done over several sessions would be easier on the body than doing it all at once.

>>7351145

Zukowski is a fucking hack who has one facial template that he forces onto literally every face.

Sometimes it works well, most times it works horribly and the person ends up looking like an alien.

I wouldn't go to that butcher if he was free.

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>>7351367
If you say so my man

>>7351586
Is that supposed to be disagreeing with what that anon said?

>>7351586
jesus christ. And this is what looks good to you? It is so true that autogynephiles have a warped conception of women

>>7351934
>all women must be 10/10 supermodel tier

Nice rebuttal my man

>>7352259
ha ha ha. Look at genetic women. Most of them are ugly or average and yet nobody mistakes them for men. Your argument is so stupid. We are not talking about being supermodels. Passability and beauty are two different things. The person who went to Zukowski looks like a freak with bad plastic surgery. No real woman would look like that or tolerate that bad result

literally all these women pass
t. cishet

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Quick question since it wasn't answered in the other thread this person is evidently the same person as Blair white or w.e the fuck her name is I find that very hard to fucking believe unless she got ffs. So is it a 4chan meme or is it really her and she got fucking extensive work done.

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>>7352295
Please calm your t-rage, sir

>>7352483
she looks goofy but woman goofy

>>7352483
There's something off about her face.

>>7351934
that looks fine lmao

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>>7352380
'robbie lacey'/'robbiefaggotron' was pre-transition blaire, yes
blaire got ffs which she denies, but you can still see her transition was very subtle

>>7352742
Wonder who she went to some people are such faggots I swear trying to spread bullshit leading to people further believing hrt is a magic pill when it's fucking not. Nose and chin is pretty obvious give me some hope cause they didn't pass for shit before surgery and remind me of my own angled to desperately hide my face pics.

Real maxillofacial surgeon won't touch any tranny face. Went to several - they will scan you and tell you there is nothing wrong with your bones and decline your request.

Those people do serious stuff and don't want to ruin thier reputation on trans womens.

Thats why we only can use ffs suregons and standart plastic suregons (botox, fillers, nose job, fat injections)

>>7352785
Riiigghhhttt.

Normie here, their jaws look fine to me. A little strange but nothing I would ever look twice at

>>7352895
i looked at a few random surgeons that do the le fort, and all of them say they refuse it for aesthetic purposes, because of risk and it ends up fucking up some aesthetics too

>>7352940
Now I'm just a simple country tranny, I dobt know much about these new fangled surgeries you're talking about. What is the le forte procedure supposed to do for a tran's face?

>>7352992

Shortens the face by lowering the distance between the nose and mouth. It's hardcore as fuck, google it.

>>7352785
I think every FFS surgeons has maxillofacial education, or worked as it for a while.
Well, the ones who don't do proper jaw work probably don't have maxillofacial education, nor worked with it.

Either way, it's usually only used to repair facial damage, or when it comes to fixing teeth/bite.

>>7352940
>>7353538
>>7352785
yeah
it's like how surgeons would go in and put a bunch of plates and screws and shit to fix someone who got a fractured hip from a car accident, but none would ever do it just for some dysphoric tranny

>>7350828
Because that's fucking extreme

>>7350338
In these cases the women are all a bit older - if trannies don't get a lower facelift at the same time as jaw contouring, they often get saggy skin that gives the appearance in your pics. If people end up with odd looking jaws even post-facelift I'd guess it's because they had a particularly masculine jaw pre-FFS that made perfect results difficult/impossible regardless of the surgeon's skill.

>>7350536
I had my FFS done with Dr Bart a while ago and now look both cis and attractive (I make a good living from my face). I have 0 complaints about my new jaw or the rest of my face (like, I literally look more cis than most of my cis female friends now) - only minor issue is occasional discomfort/pain when yawning/chewing hard food, but that's getting better as time goes on.

you are stupid and delusional. I do not believe for a second that Bart made you so beautiful that you work with your face. Please, bitch. Also, the pictures of the 4 trannies have nothing to do with aging and skin, the problems are bone deep. Do you understand? BONE!!!! The mandibular angles were butchered and cut in a very unnatural way

>>7352742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7se0fiFUPM

>>7355442
Lol, I do tho, and I don't think you're working with any more than weak conjecture here xx

>>7355661
>5
your comment about those patients being old is a stupid comment that shows your stupidity. What the fuck age has to do with chopped off jaw that was botched?

>>7355674
Older patient = less elastic skin and more sagging post jaw shave. There's no way of knowing whether the curvature of the jawlines in the OP pics are due to bone or skin sag, but I suspect the latter

>>7355720
no, you can clearly see the bone contour, it has NOTHING to do with skin. NOTHING. It is the sloppiness of the surgeon

>>7350338
Wtf? I will never start transition now.

>>7355942
Yeah, fucking skull autist has been getting to me as well. I'll just wait til HRT gets me to the point of no return.

>>7350382
its cause of skin sagging. But yes removing jaw angle doesn't remove the muscle and tisssue of the neck that makes up the backdrop of the head. Therefore it looks like your head is floating off a big thick neck

>>7350502
wow look at that female scale. She totally doesn't have a wideass male scale face. Nope, not at all. FFS saved her! Her temples totally arent football fields compared to the women around her

>>7350756
>>7350563
>>7350547

Yes and these scary procedures are what are actually necessary to push many trannies into "passing" territory. By Passing I mean increased the number of contexts in which you can pass. No tranny passes in all contexts.

So actually, passing is serious business. And scary. These surgeries ARE scary. And thats the reality.

Its a lot more difficult and scary then popping pills and burning 50k on magical "ffs".

>>7350944
showing angle changes

>>7350958
one of "skull autist" lol. Ok. So my friend has been through many procedures. I have not been through any, despite having the money. I feel similar to you. But right now I can't bring myself to pursue such extreme procedures. Plus they won't fix my cranial vault, I would need an even more extreme procedure for that. Its all so unrealistic it makes me want to just hide from the world and forget all this cause its all so fucking unrealistic.

ANd even after all these procedures its likely that there would still be things I had not identified earlier that would now stand out and clock me

>>7351084
honestly these threads are important to, in some ways, raise awareness. This information is really juicy and relevant and important but only intelligent people would seek such things out. The rest pretend they pass and act like stupid hons or stupid plastic tranny sex workers (the two predominant tranny subgroups)

>>7352742
makes sense she got ffs. She looked like a such typical white-hispanic boy in a lot of her stuff. Still doesn't pass with ffs

>>7352483
hahahahahaha. This is an example of "ffs success" haha

Her cranial vault could land an F22 in the south china sea

>>7357230
>still doesn't pass with ffs
the hons are bitter today

>>7357233
Ok skull anon
Keep being a bitter hon

>>7353833
exactly. trannies are subhuman mentally ill fools to these people. Imagine spending your life devoting your entire life to becoming an expert to mold peoples bodies. They want to be high society and reap the rewards of their incrediblly difficult path. They want accolades and to be heroes.

Not make fucking stupid retard agp hon fantasies (majority of ffs patients) come true. Jesus christ this is all such a joke

>>7352742
wow, i'd love to know who she went to, gives me a bit more hope that ffs would work well on me, I already pass but i think ffs would make me a lot happier

>>7355331
>I look for more cis than my cis female friends

This is what tranny delusions look like people. Absolutely delusional.

>>7355720
One of those patients is 30 YEARS OLD. Try again stupid. She is in her 30s and looks 50s because of skin sagging and shity bone contour.

>>7357235
She doesn't. Her head is quite large and male sized.

You would be able to tell irl. Even that hon gig gorgeous manages to look "passable" in perfectly crafted photos and youtube videos with light ect.

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>>7350563
>le fort procedures
holy shit

>>7357272
>cis girls getting procedures trannies need just so they can become prettier

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

So I have class II malclussion most people don't notice it but basically all my dentists are like "oh, yeah you do" once I mention it

two have asked what I'd like to do about it but all the before and afters show men with big jaw lines post.

My face is symmetrical, I can't say people call me ugly since I get completed throughout the day but I want to change my look to be prettier.

Basically how can I milk this to the best of my advantage. I basically have teeth induced perpetual pout but wish have a more appealing look.

Less passing, I do so well enough without trying. Personally I like androgyny.

>>7358185
>tfw you just wanna eat normally but
>big jaw lines post

I feel your pain, resting bitch face suuuucks

>>7357305
but look at that poor jaw! she must feel horrible :(

>>7358300
Why would she?
>>7358284
Tbh I live on SF there has to be a doc with sympathy towards trannies and do me a favor right?

"Gimme a qt jaw bruh"

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>>7350338
>The jaw does not have a natural contour

Koreans often do the same procedure and often looks good on them.

Those 4 transwomen are white and white people are supposed to have naturally strong jaws, even the females (as long as it isn't extreme like Pat Tillman's).

>>7358307
I'd fucking break your jaw for calling me bruh
>>7358334
Olivia Wilde confirmed to replace Ben Affleck's chin as new Batman

>>7357268
it's failing to upload so i'll just link it, this is what blaire white looks like without makeup and with as little posing as we're going to get:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cyzn8vLVQAERTdF.jpg
she's standing as far behind her cuckfriend as she can to look as small as she can, but you can still tell she's a lot smaller than him

my favourite part of skullsize-chan threads is that head size isn't even a trait people notice for the most part
i have a legitimately giant head because autism (it's an associated trait) and when in a general population crowd it is not a trait anybody ever notices -- even people who see me on a daily basis don't recognize my head as large
and i'm ftm, so you can't really play the hon card here
head size is the most ridiculous trait to sperg about possible

>>7358367
the person obsessing over skull size and ffs just has sour grapes because they had a bad ffs result, but there is a lot more wrong with them than their big head. its gotten pretty pathetic at this point

>>7350914
>saddle deformity and open roof deformity
pics?

>>7350440
Autism skull anon is at it again.

>>7350713
Have you already had ffs?

>>7358367
You're an autist with some understanding.

But skull size autist should leave this board.
Nodobdy likes him here anyway.

>>7358367
you are so stupid. It is not only the head per se but the extended facial planes which grow in all directions: width and/or height and/or depth. You are an idiot because people, obviously, are not gonna measure your head with a spreading caliper but they can immediately see something is off and they will scrutinize you more and in less than 3 seconds will understand you are a fucking tranny. You individuals who seek to hide the truth should die.

>>7359317
you can pour gasoline and burn, as far as I am concerned. I am not gonna leave the board. I am gonna speak the truth

>>7359037
look it up on google

>>7358400
yeah right, stupid, I hope you die

>>7358334
Koreans lie and use photoshopped images and fucking 23 year olds are alowed to perform surgeries in Korea. Korean surgery SUCKS . it's a complete crapshoot

>>7359433
>>7359418
Why is skull anon so autistic and mean?

>>7359450
korea facial surgeries

https://cosmeticjourney.com/forum/topic/28529-disastrous-outcome-after-facial-surgery-in-korea/

>>7358334
White people have varied jaw structures compared to other races

>>7358367
I didn't say she had a larger head than her bf I said she had too large of a head to pass for female. Pay attention.

Also where you stand is HUGE. If I stand behind girls I can make my head look feminine compared to them

why is it that trannies are so stupid and gullible? Korea is the worst place to have surgery. They are incompetent people who botch patients and use only heavily photoshopped pictures. Trannies are so stupid and have no critical eye

>>7358367
Your autistic. What would you know about human interaction and how people gender ?

>>7359317
Ya fuck you stupid fascist hon. This is not redditl hon land and we are allowed to speak the truth of passing here. The fact that it hurts your fee fees is not relevant

>>7359485
get some new material, you repulsive autogynephile. The autistic insult has gotten really old.

>>7358400
I think they should be put out of their misery

>>7358367
>i have a legitimately giant head because autism (it's an associated trait) and when in a general population crowd it is not a trait anybody ever notices -- even people who see me on a daily basis don't recognize my head as large
>and i'm ftm, so you can't really play the hon card here

can't you see it, you fucking stupid piece of shit? You said it yourself. If you are FTM, then, no wonder people don't take notice of your giant head. On MtF it's a completely different story, you disgusting piece of crap

>>7359597
nope. We live to be able to go to your funeral, spit, shit, and piss on your grave

>>7359483
Because we're not brain in the right, anon.

surgery in Korea is so stupid

http://forum.topdocs.asia/t/mandible-jaw-reduction-v-line-zygoma-cheek-bone-reduction-and-chin-bone-reduction-problems-and-consequences/300

>>7358185
If you tell your dentist that your malocclusion is causing you issues with chewing or something related to function I think they can refer you to an orthodontist and maxillofacial surgeon who may be able to help you.

I myself have a class 3 malocclusion (short maxilla and slightly long mandibular leading to an underbite) and i've had braces for years and hopefully before the end of 2017 I would've had the double jaw surgery to correct it.

>>7359922
OHHHHHHHHHHW WHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOO I love seeing how autogynephiles get triggered by skull size posts on 4chan. Whooooooooo whooooooooooooooooo ohhhhhhhhhhhh must hurt

>>7359995
What does my post have to do with AGP or getting triggered by skull size?

>>7358334
why people confuse shape with size/dimension or scale? A woman can have a super square jaw and still be read as a woman since her facial dimensions are considerably smaller than those of a genetic male (and make no mistake, you are all genetic males)

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Let me red pill you on FFS surgeries a bit, fellow hons.

So what kind of males usually want to do FFS and transition?

The long faced, low T, long nosed ones (with long midface, narrow jaws and narrow face).

WHY?

Because a long face is sign of mouth breathing, correlated with low testosterone (wide face is indication of high T) and thus turns off females.

More feminine men who also don't have success with the opposite sex due to these issues have higher chance of going jailhouse trans or just wanting to feel like petite girls.

The problem is - hot / cute women ALSO can't have long narrow faces. If you see women you see small chins, round, wide faces and weak noses.

The surgeries that reduce the maxilla (midface) and alter the jaw are done by maxillofacial surgeons. These are SERIOUS surgeries, because they change the FUNDAMENTAL SHAPE of your skull.

These are the surgeries that have the most impact and will make you pass.

Pic related, chinks know their shit.

>>7361629
Where can I go for said chinks to chink up my face?

>>7361629
They're also incredibly expensive, and at least some of the FFS surgeons have their roots in maxillofacial surgeries.
They could potentially do this surgery, but it's extremely expensive, and you'll need braces afterwards to align your bite correctly (which too is very expensive).

>Pic related, chinks know their shit.
Are you that retarded femgen shit?

Koreans aren't the only ones capable of being maxillofacial surgeons.
I really do hope you go to korea, gets botched, and the come here to whine about korean surgeons instead.

>>7361649
Just find a good jaw surgeon / orthodontist.

A good bite and jaw alignments is like half of what makes a face attractive.

>>7361652
>Are you that retarded femgen shit?

No, to be honest, I'm a CIS male that was obsessed with my aesthetics and browse LGBT to make myself feel better.

I determined that I have jaw issues, which were fixed with braces, but a Le Fort III would have made me a model. Too crazy to perform though.

I think surgeons who do these serious surgeries won't do it on you just because you don't "pass" and what not. There need to be serious deformations.

>>7359569
idiot. I was responding to FtM that referred to herself as autistic

>>7361629
bullshit photo shopped shit. You trust stupid asian chinks haha. Their entire fucking culture is based around lying and cheating to scrounge for profit and you trust their shity website "before and afters"

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Oh boy, it's autistic skull anon. These threads are good!

>>7352742
haha no she didn't get ffs. her bone structure is exactly the fucking same it's just that the angle and distance/lensing of the camera is different which makes the jaw and nose look more apparent in the right than in the left picture. obviously hrt did something for her because her cheeks are much fuller in the right pic which adds a lot to her facial shape. her nose on the left just looks weird, but it looks less weird in motion in some of the pre-trans videos she did.

>>7361231
so I'm not here to say you're wrong, but what I find interesting about this post is that it says "you are all genetic males", instead of we. what this makes me believe is that 50% of these threads are just cis people, or trannies trolling other trannies. I really don't understand the point of this. Is it just for amusement? Are you this willing to spread disinformation?

OR do some of you REALLY think that the way to live is to absolutely obsess over your bone structure and whatever other parts of you so that you can look like that perfect anime girl????
Is there something wrong with being average?????

>>7352483
Heh... not bad, kid. Not bad at all. Your meme, I mean. It's not bad. A good first attempt. It's plenty dank... I can tell it's got some thought behind it... it's quotable material... But memeing isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kid. You're skilled... that much I can tell. But do you have what it takes to be a Memester? To join those esteemed meme ranks? To call yourself a member of the Ruseman's Corps? Memeing takes talent, that much is true. But more than that it takes heart. The world-class Memesters - I mean the big guys, like Johnny Hammersticks and Billy Kuahana - they're out there day and night, burning the midnight meme-oil, working tirelessly to craft that next big meme. And you know what, kid? 99 times out of a hundred, that new meme fails. Someone dismisses it as bait, or says it's "tryhard," or ignores it as they copy/paste the latest shitpost copypasta dreamt up by those sorry excuses for cut-rate memers over at reddit. The Meme Game is rough, kid, and I don't just mean the one you just lost :). It's a rough business, and for every artisan meme you craft in your meme bakery, some cocksucker at 9gag has a picture of a duck or some shit that a million different Johnny No-Names will attach a milion different captions to. Chin up, kid. Don't get all mopey on me. You've got skill. You've got talent. You just need to show your drive. See you on the boards...