What are /lgbt/'s political values

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>>7301131
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unregulated free market and free enterprise (laissez-faire capitalism)
small, limited government

glory to the free market!

>>7301588
Yeah, I think I like you.

>>7301659
>if it does
I hope this doesn't refer to Palestine.

>>7301665
oh thank you
explaining what may be confusing a bit more properly:
- I don't think anyone want to be trans. Ideally, everyone should be aborted before they are born, or killed at birth. but the transgendered people who are born have my full support.
- nationalism (and the other neutrals) are things I don't think about
- against zionism, assuming it means jewish supremacy movement
- against illegal immigrants if it's someone else, for if it's me. always support what's best for myself.

>>7301153
>gay and racist
>expecting to ever be treated like a 1st class citizen

Pick one

>>7301727
I'm racist to everyone so it evens out.

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mtf here

>>7301782
Why are you racist to everyone though? It takes a lot of energy to hate someone rather than to focus on yourself and your life.

>>7301862
>It takes a lot of energy to hate someone
Then you should hate more efficiently.

>>7301131
A lot of these questions are stupid/loaded questions that have no simple for/against answer.

>same sex marriage
To get the same legal benefits straight people can, sure, but the institution of marriage needs abolishing anyhow.

>transgenderism
1) Both sexes can dress, behave, etc. any way they please and should not be discriminated against based on this. (E.g. a male may wear high-heels, dresses, makeup, behave very ""ladylike"" etc., and there's generally no problem with that, though excessive attire and excessively "passive"/"submissive" mannerism may get in the way of practical day-to-day life and prove to be an annoyance to the people around you...) This doesn't however mean they're a different sex than they are.
2) Actual sex change procedures like HRT and SRS are essentially cosmetic body modification procedures and should be allowed to informed adults on their own discretion of the risks involved.
3) Insofar some people have a psychiatric disorder that prevents them from living happily with their healthy bodies, health care may pay them to undergo cosmetic medical procedures like the ones mentioned above.
4) No matter what you do, you cannot truly change your sex, and can neither become a member of the other sex class under patriarchy than the one you were born into. Specifically, people born into the male class must respect people born into the female class, and not attempt to invade their identity, spaces of privacy, or politics.

>abortion
For.

>Nationalism
Against.

>Zionism
All nations that exist in the Israeli region must agree to coexist peacefully with each other. Israel is a powerful state in that region and should take a responsible role in this. Other nations in the region should not try to bring down Israel either.

>Euthanasia
A sane adult should be given the option to be assisted in ending his/her life. Care should be taken to prevent abuse of this ruling.

>>7302155
>religious role in society
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. People should be free to practice their religion in private. Their religious practices shall not infringe on any freedoms of the people around them.

>illegal migrants
What kind of question is this? They are illegal by definition... Depending on the laws of a certain state, I might support or oppose the illegal immigration of people into the country. Illegal immigrants who already exist within a region should not be forcibly deported as that hurts their livelihood and is in a sense a breach of human rights.

>race mixing
Fuck whoever you want. Not sure if that means "for" or "neutral".

>pornography
Against. More precisely, against censorship, but for civil rights remedies for people hurt by pornography. See 'Pornography and Civil Rights' for details:
http://www.mediafire.com/?224gyy7jk9czq7y

>s.o. discrimination
Fuck whoever you want. I.e. against.

>racial discrimination
Are you retarded? Against.

>secularism
For.

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Here, this is the best one.

>those are political issues

>>7301578
>same sex marriage
>religious role in society
>secularity
>illegal immigrants
>for

what

>>7301735
>Race mixing

Explain

>>7302155
>under patriarchy
opinion discarded

>>7302283
Given the rise of mass communication and the ease of modern transportation, I think it's inevitable, and in most ways beneficial. Race is an unnecessary barrier to the unity of our species, it's just another excuse to engage in tribalistic urges. I'm not saying that individuals should be forced to racemix or that they're bad/racist for sticking with their own race, though. Obviously people have their own tastes.

>>7302284
>against porn

What did you mean by this?

>>7302329
The idea that race mixing is going to end racism is really stupid, India, the Middle East and Latin America are all mixed regions and there's still racism there.

>>7302335
I'm not for it being illegal or anything, but I think it's unhealthy. People prime themselves to respond to seeing strangers fucking instead of imagining themselves fucking someone, and the ones who get into really weird shit can get to the point where they can't get aroused by simple pleasures like seeing a hot naked person, even right there in front of them.

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>>7301131
tfw

>>7302374
It doesn't happen overnight, m8. We're talking thousands of years. Races formed because human populations became separated from one another and adapted to the local environment, now that transportation is relatively easy and there's no immediate threat of mass extinction events, there are no barriers preventing humanity from intermixing.

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pow

>>7302287
>against abortion
So you just see women as walking wombs

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>>7302287
>Against abortion
Are you a hardcore Christian or something?

>>7303151
>>7303164
Not that person, but I'd consider myself against abortion even though I'm pro choice. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's a good thing. Same with porn and racemixing.

>>7301638
cuck.

>>7301710
So then femboys and others who aren't actually trans but want body mod/autonomy are bad, hon?

>>7301899
I don't feel like making one but this is the same as mine except the top yellow goes to the right and the bottom yellow goes to the left

also pornography moves left

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>>7302405
xD

>>7304409
Fair enough. I could understand being against it for yourself, but if you're against it overall then it's pretty scummy.

>>7301131
Don't really wanna edit image
Same sex marriage: for (by the state, no need to force churches to endorse it)
Trannyism: for, binary only though
Abort: for
Nationalism: against
Zionism: against
Euthanasia: for?
Religious role in soc: against it in any legislative sense
Illegal immigrants: against
Race mixing: s'cool
Pron: for
Discrimination by melaning or sexy time: nah.
Secularism: for

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get at me

>>7305415
Transbian trump supporter

>>7301132
I'm confused. Is the discrimination parts for sexual orientation and race supposed to mean legislated protection FROM discrimination, or if the questionnaire is asking if we support discriminating against those two minority groups. I feel like that needs to be clarified.

>>7305512
Gay male, not American so I didn't support either. (but trump would've gotten my vote)

>>7304575

I don't know who that is but Google Reverse Image Search tells me it's someone with similar political ideas so that's cool.

Also, would let him dom me.

>>7304575
this isn't a passgen thread

>>7304575
>And you've been wanking to pictures of naked girls. Gross.
Kek.

Is this guy a new meme or what? Been seeing his face around with various claims made about him. What's it all about?

>>7305676
He shitposted in Ftmg and femgen. He might be Marshall poster and was boasting about having wrecked femgen.

>>7305706
I'm pretty sure it was established in another thread that he isn't Marshall, and I'm pretty sure that one femgen thread got fucked up by the one idiot who'd keep posting about him / respond to him when he actually popped up.

>>7305715
By any chance are you him? BC different people have posted him all the times. You could just look at the hash in archives and confirm.

And nah, just go to the old femgen, he boasted about wrecking it.

>>7301578
>>7301588
>>7301659
>>7302405
fuck off back to /pol/

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These political categories/values are retarded, who made this chart

>>7302437
How

>>7302155
>under patriarchy
That's the fucking point though, calling yourself a different sex than you were born as is a direct rebellion against patriarchy

>>7301679
>implying

>>7305758
Moreso altering your sex traits is.

>>7301862
He's shitposting on 4chan that already defeats the purpose of having a fulfilling life

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>>7301131
If something in the neutral zone is marked green, I lean towards being for it; with red I lean towards being against it.

>>7303151
>>7303164
i just dont like the idea off taking away a life

>>7305870
So you're a vegetarian?

>>7305742
>/pol/
>FOR abortion
are you fucking retarded

>>7306141
nah i know meat is importan for survival and i enjoy meat but i dont like the idea to kill an unborn child, it might sound a bit weird i know

>>7306164
I mean there are lots of living vegetarians, it's not really about survival in this day and age. I eat meat and don't have a problem with it because I don't see a moral wrong to kill a non-sentient life (fetus, cow, etc) if it's for the benefit of a sentient life (tastes good, not having an unplanned child, etc)

>>7306153
Anti transgender. Fuck off to /pol/

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Explanations because reasons

>Same Sex marriage
Affects nobody but gays and if I ever want to marry a dude as a bi I'm for it
>Transgenderism
It's an improper handling of someone with a mental issue.I'm not saying that "HURRR TRANNIES ARE MENTALLY ILL" I'm just saying that transexuals need to go through proper mental evaluation if they want the proper treatment for whatever their issue is. We don't just give people prescription drugs because they say they have a disorder, we have to diagnose them. If you have issue with this and scream at me because of it, you are only furthering my dislike for transexuals.
>Abortion
Who the fuck cares, I like it cause then I could abort kids with issues
>Nationalism i
It's good. It's like statism. There needs to be SOMETHING that keeps people together, and Nationalism is proven to work. (E.G. French Revolution, WWII Allies)
>Zionism
Another non-issue, who the fuck cares if Israel bombs the shit out of some shitskins, the US Army did that every day 24/7 after September 11, 2001
>Euthanasia is
Good to get rid of useless children also drains on society. I'm a firm believer of genetic fitness. Fight me.
>Religious role in society and Secularity
Religion is important, it is the set of morals for society. Watch these if you really want to learn why religion is important: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SAXWN-qznA&feature=youtu.be and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivNnPSXEe04
>Illegal migrants
No reason to be in any country. Goes against nationalism and statism. Goes against LGBT values since towelheads throw gays off buildings.
>Racemixing
Why would I have a kid that has no race to have his culture from? Every single mixed person I know says they're between their dad's culture and their mom's culture and fit into neither because of how they look. It's pointless, hedonistic and bad for genetic fitness. [spoiler]>Inb4 "It makes their genes stronger though" Go read what genetic fitness is you mong[/spoiler]
>Discrimination
It's bad

>>7306420
Notice how you never had medical training.

But claim you though vision know better than every doctor in America?

That's the archetype of mental illness. People with delusions of grandure and inferior ability are dangerous to society. You're trying to go above what you're capable of.

Seek help for your mental illness before it hurts others.

>>7306438
I'll assume you just misconstrued my post. I'm saying that transexuals should have to go through PROPER diagnosis and mental health evaluation before getting treatment. That way, they can actually TREAT the transexual for whatever they actually have, instead of just giving them exactly what they want. They don't normally give out painkillers to people who go to hospitals saying "MY ARM HURTS I NEED PAINKILLERS," they diagnose them. Same thing for mental health.

Also I can't tell what the last bit is except for angry projection

>>7306448
What's your idea of proper diagnosis?

It's still really funny BC, you've got no med education. Hell you've never taken a genetics course in uni for all you talk about it. Don't you think you should be of better stock and upbringing if you're gonna make desicions for everyone?

>>7306420
But everything you wrote under transgenderism already happens. I mean it is recognised as a mental illness under the DSM-V and any (non-tumblr) tranny will tell you that.

>>7306471
Now you're just spewing shit at me instead of my arguments. People like you are why I hate transexuals.

>>7306485
In that case, I'm fine with transexualism as it is today. I will not agree with any new legislation for transexuals, especially not for fucking bathrooms. Who gives a fuck

>>7306537
Because I pointed out that maybe you should study med and genetics if you plan on writing manifestos on them?

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>>7306577
>You need to study shit in college to have an opinion on them
>You cannot have an opinion differing to mine
>You cannot have an opinion
This is why I hate transexuals and liberals who do this shit.
People like >>7306485 have my respect because they actually change my opinion with facts, even though I may not agree with them on everything

>>7306587
Because medicine is based on training and genetics on empirical data.

Your plans are half baked without any of that. Any real eugenisist would laugh at you.

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>>7306604

>>7306206
I am trans and I am anti-transgender.
Get rekt, hon.

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>>7306611
hmm...

>>7306622
Huh really made u think, bb?

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meh

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Discrimination is never ok

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>>7301131

Chart sucks dick, OP.

>So much self-haters here

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>>7306690

>>7305737
The femgen I have in mind is long deleted and not the last one. Pretty sure everyone was blaming the person shitposting with his picture then responding to him when he appeared. Are *you* per chance the guy who did that?

>>7305758
>white people calling themselves black and demanding access into the black liberation groups and calling blacks bigots when they don't center the unique needs of *trans*black (i.e. white) people is rebellion against racism
Try again.
And yes, what I described is exactly what's happening with transwomen and women. Male people forcibly infiltrating female spaces.

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>>7301131

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>all this faggotry

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this thread made me a little sick

>>7308009
Are you literally shaking right now?

>>7306587
You're allowed to have an opinion, anon was just pointing out why your opinion isn't based on any evidence aside from your feelings

>>7306420
lol this guy clearly hasn't read a book in years

>>7307500
>And yes, what I described is exactly what's happening with transwomen and women
But... it's not. Where are you getting this? Also there are about as many FtM people as MtF so I don't see why you're only looking at trans women

Anyone who answered differently for Zionism and nationalism is a retard, Zionism is just one of many examples of nationalism

>>7305308
The only acceptable set of answers

>>7301710
>killed at birth
ehp

>>7306206
I'm anti transgenderism. I don't want people to suffer from it. We should try to find a cure so no one has to suffer, it should not be a thing.

>>7304554
No, I'm not against body autonomy. But I just realized that I may have been truscum here. But do I care? I don't know. Maybe I do think you can't be trans if you don't have dysphoria.
My idea was that people shouldn't have to suffer from dysphoria, but I now realize that people may find it problematic to assume it's the same as being trans.

>>7308320
I support post-natal abortion.

>>7308405
Ah, see, you're just starting to realize that you could be wrong here

Judging from other things you've said, you got a long way to go buster

>>7309527
Where am I wrong, maybe except about the definition of transgenderism?
Is there any reason it should exist?

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>>7301131
The state is the most powerful actor that can be persuaded to guarantee negative liberty and provide positive liberty. We are victims of imperialism, tradition and human nature.

But if nature is unjust, change it.

Also lel fuck Israel because it's heresy.

>>7309678
>being pro-nationalism and anti-zionism

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This thread is fucking bleak.

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>>7301131

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>>7309678
>illegal immigration:for
>also lel fuck Israel
>heresy
>positive/negative liberty
You are and idiot and a hypocrite.

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Foreign cultures need to be managed properly if they are to integrate into our society. I really wish people could see the contradiction between being socially liberal and allowing a massive influx of people from very socially conservative countries.

>>7311963
What society is "ours"?

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>>7301131

>>7312107
Don't get cute with me, fuckhole. I'm talking about the society that allows homosexuality without turning us all into liquid fertiliser. You want to talk semantics on this one then you can talk straight to the hand of the Caliphate.

>>7311963
that's not what nationalism means.

>>7308218
>But... it's not. Where are you getting this?
From women to whom it's happening.

Why not?

Barring a viable in utero test and gene editing, yes, currently the only thing close to a cure for people with actual dysphoria.

100% carrier's choice.

Unfortunately necessary as some cultures simply will never peacefully coexist in the short term.

Samson option if they have the guts.

No-one should be forced to live.

Personal, not negatively affecting others.

"Illegal" should say it all.

Provided it's consensual.

As long as all parties consent and are fairly compensated for their work.

All discrimination should be on an individual, rational basis.

Yes.

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>>7301131

>>7311963
wAnt some fuck

>>7306513
bad day?

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gayfag here

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>>7301131
bi nazis will take over the world

>>7302386
wait, so you don't self insert into porn in your imagination? what are you, a cuck?

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>>7314433
>>7314444
well shit son, look at my darn diddly digets
his kekdom has praised me

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t. libertarian
>>7302437
um what

>>7314433
>tfw no bi nazi bf to achieve world domination with

>>7301131
Because fuck images...

SSM: For (though against the involvement of government in marriage as a whole)
Transgenderism: How the fuck can you be for or against this? I thought it wasn't a choice.
Abortion: For, but more for states rights
Nationalism: For, over ethno-nationalism
Zionism: For
Euthanasia: For, how can you be free if you don't control your own end?
Religion: For in society, against in government
Illegal migrants: What part of illegal isn't clear?
Race mixing: Zero fucks given
Disc-SO: Against, and I think a lot (most) of it comes as a reaction to people who won't STFU about who they like to fuck/be fucked by
Disc-Race: Against, get very amused when I see folks bitching about it, and realize that the only reason they got fired or called was because they wouldn't shut up about muh oppression
Secularity: We already covered this.

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>>7301131

>>7301710
>everyone should be aborted before they are born, or killed at birth
>everyone
I'm pro extinction too. I think humans are actually a plague to the earth.

I also think that the only real trannies out there either hate being trannies because of the social complications, or passed within the first 6 months of starting HRT and never detransitioned. Or both. The rest are just agp, self-mutilating scum that make me look bad by getting publicity for being depraved.

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>>7301131
>>7301131

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>>7301131

>>7301131
/pol/ is even more myopic than I thought...

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I guess I'm pretty conservative,huh

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>>7315180
>I'm pro extinction too.
So you're a cutter, huh?

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My results.

>>7312251
>I'm talking about the society that allows homosexuality without turning us all into liquid fertiliser
You didn't answer my question. What society is that?

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>>7318476
Not him but I'd assume Saudi Arabia and the other Islamic countries

>>7306420
>firm believer in genetic fitness
>fight me

If I do and win, will you kill yourself because you're genetically inferior to me?

Societies need to take care of the old and the sick. It's a pretty basic concept, and if you argue against it you are automatically retarded. Trying to argue for abortion in case a child has MR or other diseases is stupid and inhumane. It's a non issue because the costs for taking care of the small population of the old and sickly is forgettable, especially when you think about what countries spend on the military or religious institutions.

And what next, euthanize someone who had a car crash and is tettaplegic even though he could live a happy life? Euthanize anyone with down syndrome? Euthanize anyone who retires?

This idea is retarded, and you should feel retarded. We're not in Sparta, we don't need to wage war. Any functional and humane society should have the capacity to take care of the old and the sick. If it has neither the capacity or the humanity then the society is neither functional or humane

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Green heart means I think it should be allowed. (I.E, it shouldn't be illegal and there should be no laws against it)
Pink Heart means it's my personal position on the topic.

>>7318983
>Green heart means I think it should be allowed
I mean, that's how the laws ought to be.
And pink is my personal beliefs

>>7301710
>>7315180
i think they meant every one as in every trans person, not just kill everybody

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anarchist here

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if you think you are born in the wrong body you are wrong

>>7305745
good response anyway

>>7314589
soon, mein freund
seig heil

>>7301131
>same sex marriage
for
>transgenderism
for
>abortion
for
>nationalism
neutral
>zionism
neutral
>euthanasia
neutral
>religious role in society
neutral
>Illegal migrants
neutral
>race mixing
neutral
>pornography
for/neutral
>discrimination (both)
against

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>>7301131

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>>7301131

Illegals don't bother me. I'd sooner just see a way for them to apply that isn't full of hoops and nonsense.

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>>7301131
Discrimination is okay as long as it's at the private level.

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>>7301131

>>7327882
Woops. I thought secularity meant being part of a sect.
Being part of a religion is up to one self. Neutral

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>>7301131
>
MtF here

I'm too lazy to install proper image editing software.

>Same sex marriage:
For, I guess? Marriage is dumb

>Transgenderism:
Dress however you want, take whatever hormones you want, but be honest about your sex.

>Abortion:
Strictly against, unless the mother's life is in danger.

>Nationalism:
Neutral, it has it's pros and cons.

>Zionism:
That's just nationalism for Jews.

>Euthanasia:
Against.

>Religious role in society:
For. I am not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

>Illegal immigrants:
Against, but I want more legal immigrants. (USA)

>Race mixing:
For

>Pornography:
Neutral

>Discrimination:
Against. Tricky subject. Ideally any individual or business could discriminate how they see fit, but in a lot of places that can be a death sentence.

>Secluarity:
Against

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>>7327898
It means whether a governing body should be free from religious "guidance" or not. Freedom of/from religion and all that.

>>7328055
>pro-life
>against secularism / for religious role / not religious
>for race mixing
>against discrimination / against transgenderism
How can you be far-left and far-right at the same time? Are you a failed human fusion experiment? lol

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>>7301131

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gender neutral/asexual

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I specify
I'm not for marriage in general. But same sex marriage is a social progress.
I hate borders and nations.
I hate religions. Besides I am not for secularity because I don't care about religions.

>>7333067
>I hate borders and nations.
Sorry, I read that as "I do not understand how the world works"