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>>7253529

this too
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>>7263273
>tfw it's super hot but makes you feel dysphoric

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are these shoes too AGP?

>>7263548
The socks are

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>>7263572
How about this color? Its tanishbut close to my skin color and matches my grey shoes oddly

>>7263522
It's not really porn unless it makes you dysphoric, right?

>>7263594
Skin color socks pass

>>7263548
that entire image triggers my AGP

>>7263611
I could watch normal porn (mostly solo or lesb) and it wouldn't trigger me, now Im not even sure, most of the time I just get horny and masturbate to fantasy of being a woman in the shower or in bed

>>7263658
Would you like the full image?

>>7263273
Wow. That's super fucking hot but isn't it a bad idea to look at this? Won't it make the feels worse?

>>7264022
That's up to you to decide.

If you're dysphoric: it's emotional, which even if it's bad emotion can be a good thing, just as an experience in itself or as a way to explore. If you're being self-destructive with looking at it (like, it's not really fulfilling and you're just semi-deliberately trying to make yourself feel bad) or it's seriously harming you in some way then you should avoid it.

If you're non-dysphoric AGP: it might make the AGP desires worse, but really I don't think you can avoid that short of outright repressing your AGP. You're going to come across something which triggers it or think about it fairly frequently regardless, and I'd think it healthier to accept that and take control of the circumstances, rather than trying to avoid it out of fear.

On this topic, I'm wondering about how indulging in AGP (through porn, fantasies, role-play, etc.) affects the long-term intensity of it and the development of gender dysphoria. Specifically, I'm wondering whether, in the case where indulgence creates increased dysphoria, it merely accelerates the onset (or perhaps just awareness) of it, and the maximum level of dysphoria is no higher than would have been reached eventually regardless.

>>7264123
>If you're dysphoric: it's emotional, which even if it's bad emotion can be a good thing, just as an experience in itself or as a way to explore. If you're being self-destructive with looking at it (like, it's not really fulfilling and you're just semi-deliberately trying to make yourself feel bad) or it's seriously harming you in some way then you should avoid it.
it just got me hard.
> I'm wondering about how indulging in AGP (through porn, fantasies, role-play, etc.) affects the long-term intensity of it and the development of gender dysphoria
I would like to know this. Most of my AGP thoughts come when I'm in bed thinking or dreaming. They make me feel calm so I like indulging, but I can avoid any AGP thoughts in every-day-life by trying not to think or feel and always be listening to something when I'm alone.
I'll be honest, I didn't understand what most of your post is about. Maybe it's the tiredness or alcohol, or me being stupid.

>>7263273

AGP in a nutshell hahahahaha

I think this could be good material for turning straight guys into AGPs, much more than those shitty pseudo-hypnosis videos

>>7264686

Look for a community of welcoming, more veteran trans and go live with them

transition ASAP

>>7264686
Well first off
>14 years old
Underage ban.
Second, explain how you know you're MtF.
Third, maybe it would be better to ask this in the MtF thread?

>>7264686
Wait until you're old enough before you post here

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>>7264123
>I'm wondering about how indulging in AGP affects the long-term intensity
I'm sure quitting all porn (not just related) helped me. Seeing pretty crossdressers and transgirls especially kills me. Cant quit the fantasies though when they feel so good.

>>7264534
>Most of my AGP thoughts come when I'm in bed thinking or dreaming. They make me feel calm so I like indulging
Interestingly its similar for me. It's mostly when Im about to go to sleep or when I wake up and have nothing to do and can spend time in bed with my fantasies. When my brain is still cloudy it's so easy to go into a 'im-a-girl' mindstate.
And before I knew anything was wrong with my gender selfimage or felt any dysphoric one of my fave fantasies to fall asleep to was that Im a girl spending time with my gf, not necessary anything sexy, and it would make me drift away.

>>7264760
>>7264811
>>7264870
how much different my life would have been if I had been able to discover agpgp at age 14 ;____;

>>7263273
>Not aroused in the slightest by this

Am I weird, or did I stumble on a step to understanding myself

>>7267734
You're not alone. I find it conceptually arousing I guess, but I don't really get a boner just watching this, even if I imagine I'm the girl.

Tbqh I think its because I've always wanted to be a tranny more than I wanted to be an actual woman. Throw some smaller tits on there and a small dick and thats like, my ideal self and it starts to become attractive to me.

Also the only time I want to have a vagina is if I look like a cute, flat chested cuntboy.

>>7265741
>When my brain is still cloudy it's so easy to go into a 'im-a-girl' mindstate.
>Im a girl spending time with my gf, not necessary anything sexy, and it would make me drift away
These exactly

>crossdress a few times during the summer
>feels nice but don't pass, so feels bad also
>out of boredom and curiosity photoshop face from one of those crossdressing sessions onto a cis girl's head
>makeup on face + female jawline = pass if i squint
>mixed feels
#justfetishistthings

(also i accidentally posted this in the wrong thread)

>>7267893
That isn't AGP at all. That's gay or /d/.

Just fap whenever you feel upset.

Works for me

>>7268032
Okay, maybe it isn't classic AGP, but it has to be something similar. Actual women don't do much (anything?) for me, but I AM attracted to slender, feminine males, and it would be misleading to say that part of the reason I started HRT wasn't to have such a body myself. Now that I have that body I'm quite happy with it.

One of the reasons I think I might have something AGP-like is because I'm just not that into really masculine guys. My type is definitely feminine to average. On top of that, the only time I fantasize about hyper masculine guys is in the context of wanting to feel small and submissive in comparison to them. Apart from their bodies, I'm just not that interested in them. If I were really naturally feminine I would gravitate toward bigger, muscular guys like a normal fag.

I also get feelings of jealousy at times when I read manga where a guy is gender swapped against his will. Again, I'm not sure I want to be an actual woman, but I don't know what to call this if not a form of forced feminization.

I've been lurking for a while and reading on the possibility of moving beyond Blanchard's idiotic typology. Maybe predominantly, or even exclusively androphilic guys can have a form of AGP as well. It doesn't seem that far fetched.

Or maybe its just that I have some weird fetish where the only woman I could conceivably find attractive is myself. Not that I think that I'm attractive. I mean, I'm much happier now, but I don't think I would be a hot woman, let alone the hottest if I were to take it that far.

>>7268370
>Okay, maybe it isn't classic AGP,
It isn't AGP as you aren't aroused at the thought of being female
>Actual women don't do much (anything?) for me
It isn't AGP.
You sound gay.

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>>7268370
you are Auto-SomeAlternativeGender-P
wew
there was some talk of -meta attraction, like chasers attracted to traps actually want to be traps themselves (deliberately using 'trap' here as a more vague term) maybe thats what it is for you

>>7268430
gay sexual orientation, not how you feel about yourself and your gender and characteristics

>>7264811
>>7264870

If you niggers reported her, you are not my senpai, quite honestly. You should strive to help younger AGPs. You know you wish someone had done it for you.

>>7268370

I think you're an autogynemimetophile.

>>7269956
at some point I was glad I hadn't have all this trans trending and easy access to mones as a teenager, I would have fallen for HRT meme easily for all the wrong reasons

>>7270208

But would it have been the right choice even if at that time you would have only done it for the wrong reasons?

>>7270252
for me - no

>>7270285

So you've settled as a non-transitioning AGP?

>>7270308
yes, since Im not trans
plus at this point I'd be a total hon which would only make my life worse

>>7270369

>yes, since Im not trans

Why do you say you're not trans?

>plus at this point I'd be a total hon which would only make my life worse

What are you talking about? Weren't we talking about you having easy access to transgender information and hormones as a teenager?

>>7265741
Yeah I have fallen asleep many times to holding my imaginary gf.

>>7270399
better question is why would I say that I AM trans, to warrant transition
I dont have constant dysphoria and desire to be a woman
and I especially didn't have it back then, I just wanted to be cute and adorable not get masc and get aroused and happy from my fem-self
and its not like social transition is any easy for a teen either unless you have universal support form family, state and society, neither of which exists here

>>7270429
but normal boys think of that too?

>>7269865
>Auto-SomeAlternativeGender-P
> like chasers attracted to traps actually want to be traps themselves
>>7270064
>I think you're an autogynemimetophile.

Same anon. This sounds pretty plausible actually, though I've never heard of it before. Its a starting point at least.

>>7270531
>I dont have constant dysphoria and desire to be a woman
dysphoria is not a constant thing, for most transpeople it comes in waves

and now you are just making excuses of course transition isn't ever going to be easy in our current society

What are the implications of consistently scoring more feminine than masculine or androgynous in a BSRI test?

>>7271822
I think we've been through this, the negatives simply outweigh the positives for me

>>7271972
doesnt mean much, it's about 50 years old and gender roles and stereotypes are changing
neither is COGIATI, but it was amusing to take and score like 200 points "probably transgender" despite answering negatively to direct question like "do you want to change sex"

>>7271972

I don't know. Personally I took a test that was just drawing two separate drawings administered by a psychologist, and among the results were that I had homosexual tendencies or features (I'm bisexual), a castration complex (I've wanted to cut my dick off since I was very young), and that I psychosexually identity with my mother (I'm MtF).

>>7271972
Men are allowed to be feminine too so it really doesn't matter. I mean, there is of course pressure against it from society but being feminine alone doesn't mean you're trans. If it did then like 75% of gay guys would be trans lol

>>7272339
lol wtf is this shit

>>7272601

What do you want explained?

The discord link on the OPs has been dead for a while now. Anyone interested in a new discord?

https://discord.gg/A7NtSN4

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Would AGP + AAP relationship make any sense or is it just double shit?
a-asking for a friend

>>7271972
>feminine AAP
>score as very masculine on BSRI
lel

>>7272740
Just ask for a new link?

>>7272771
The server has been dead for a really long time now afaik. It's been the same dead link for many threads.

>>7272771
>Would AGP + AAP relationship make any sense
Moderately AGP bisexual femboy transgirl thing here. My ideal relationship would probably be another femboy or tranny who is comfortable with being androgynous. Or an AAP FtM who wants to be an irl yaoi couple together.

Favourite vidya to trigger AGP? I'd imagine MMO's would be the best but they are too big of a commitment honestly.

>>7269956
Seems like it was just a tranny
Anyway, the only thing that brings me joy anymore is seeing trannies start later and end more unpassable than me. If I could inject every obnoxious young tranny on here with years of testosterone it would make me so happy.

>>7272740
>>7272771
working link

https://discord.gg/A8aZNQG

>tfw you stay up all night dreaming about being a beautiful woman with a qt husband who you cook for and take care of and clean and decorate the house for

>>7263758
yes

Does agp go away on hormones? I'm attempting self mending right now cause I'm retarded and the agp isn't going away.

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will E make me attracted to males (i'm not attracted to males right now)?

>>7273779
>playing league of plebs
Looks like you're already gay m8

>>7273830
i don't i actually mostly play it's counterpart from valve

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>>7273838
d-do you want to play with me

>>7273876
sure although my rank is significantly below average

>>7273779

no.
it just makes you want to stroke people's hair.

>>7273899
that's ok, i don't even know my rank

if you want you can post your steam here or send it [email protected]

>>7272771
>Would AGP + AAP relationship make any sense
It's what I'm aiming for. Live vicariously through her, and she lives through me.
Only downside is ill treat her like I wish I was treated, but she doesn't want to be treated. I don't think the relationship will work very well. But at least we'll understand each other.

>>7272667
how can they possible come to all those conclusions from drawing two pictures?

>>7273982
here you go anon
STEAM_0:1:147052819

>>7273409
Good dreams Anon. I love having those.

>>7274014

I don't know, but considering it's pretty specific in a way that wouldn't apply to most biological males and the fact I look like a normal guy, it's not a "We've got something for everyone kind of thing." Most men are not going to get those three things and think, "Oh yeah, that's totally me."

The test is The Draw A Person Test by Karen Machover.

If you want, I can tell you what I drew, but if you ever want to take the test yourself, it might interfere with your own results.

>>7275689
how old were you when they gave you the test?

>>7275689

It was a few months ago, so 21. How do you think that changes things? My parents thought I was normal as a child even though I clearly wasn't and they took my brothers to psychs (to assess learning disabilities), but not me. So I went without any psychological testing until I graduated high school with a shitty GPA that was unlike me, spent two years after that as a NEET, and crash and burned my second semester at college.

>>7275755
was this in reply to >>7275720?
if so, how did you not get too..aware of it? like just from hearing the test i know i wouldn't be able to draw anything because i would be thinking of every implication of every part i drew and it would affect the result. it seems like it would only be accurate for self-unaware children. not trying to insult you

>>7275780

Yeah, that was why I gave that explanation about why it was that I had the test at 21 and not a more reasonable age. I just thought it was just kooky pseudo-scientific shit at the time I took it. Then I got hit with that shit when she gave me the results and I was like "Woah!" Also, I like to draw, so I was happy to put as much detail as I liked.

>>7273318
Obvious Life is Strange.
MMOs gameplay or world typically don't support gendered play, it's only appearance and everyone there runs a female char just for looking at a pretty doll
but on the other hand they are social so you could roleplay a girl

>>7273982 >>7274050
I'd love to play with you... b-but a team with 3 support bitches wont do well
on a serious note mobas ar evil and make people rage and hate eachother and stress over nothing

>>7275689 >>7275780
exactly why I cant stand that test, I know how it works too well
typically its draw man, woman, yourself and fantasy animal

>>7276056
>man, woman
or rather
person and a person of opposite gender

>>7276056
>>7276087

So you know exactly how the test works? I was wondering what it was about the people I drew that told her that.

Who /sissy hypno/ here

>>7276393
i don't like it

>>7276393
I tried watching it once on mushrooms and some of it was alright. I couldn't get into most of it though and I usually don't watch it while sober.
I mostly just fap to clothing and tg erotica at this point though lol
I've been trying to stop using porn and erotica and stuff though.

>>7273771
I've heard it takes mones and living as a woman for 2ish years, and that it goes away for most but not all.

>>7276365
I dont know all the details but you could find at least basic explanation online, stuff like
>teeth - aggression
>pretty eyes with lashes - gay
>no hands - schizo
and the way you draw, lines and composition can tell about your personality too
stuff like that

>>7276393
MEF fapfuel or a sure way to make your issues worse if it's more than a fetish, honestly I wouldn't advise it to anyone

>>7276967

Huh, I don't think I remember drawing eyes with eyelashes.

>and the way you draw, lines and composition

She told me that too. Including areas where you erased and redrew.

>tfw we won't ever get to know the survey results because the german girl is gone
rip

>>7277069

Was she lost in the AGP Schism?

>>7277130
Haven't seen her since. Maybe she's taking a break though.

Is it worth it to take hormones and stay boy mode to get rid of agp? I feel like I'm just stuck in between and I don't want to live 100% as a girl but I'd be unhappy if my body keeps masculinizing. Plus I don't like being horny then just binging on porn and tg erotica and whatnot it distracts with my life a lot...

>>7277225
There's no guarantee it will get rid of the AGP, and from what I've heard, when it does it seems to be linked to social transition (and how it makes being a woman a normal day-to-day thing).

Physical sex drive will probably reduce, but you can't be sure how much you'll be turned on from being on HRT and the effects of it. Again, you can't really be sure how it will turn out.

If you're unhappy with your body and how it's changing then it probably is worth taking HRT. You can be sure that it will improve that, though not necessarily enough to satisfy you.

>>7277389
>There's no guarantee it will get rid of the AGP, and from what I've heard, when it does it seems to be linked to social transition (and how it makes being a woman a normal day-to-day thing).
+1

>>7277225
will make you feel less horny and far less anxiety that makes you constantly want to fap just feel ok and you will most likely enjoy feminization, I've talked with a guy who went on moderate hrt at like 30 to alleviate AGP and doing fine staying fem-boy mode
someone suggested taking just progestin to see how it goes, but I dont know of anyone who did that

>>7277819
Yeah I think I might be okay not socially presenting. I'm actually already low libido and maybe low T. I lost one testicle when young due to torsion and my other might be damaged a bit. I've never talked to a doctor about it but my development has always been pretty stunted I think...
I just want slight body modifications. I guess if I end up as full trans I'd deal with it when it happens. Everyone already knows I'm gay but that's allowed more people to talk about trans stuff around me and ask about it and it seems like 90% of people would reject me. Plus I'm not turbo fem personality either, I'm just a normal skinny nerd even if not masc in appearance lol

>>7277895
Yeha you most likely have lower than average T and probably look naturally fem since your masculinization process is slower. There was a guy in femgen with similar condition and he looked rather qt and younger than his age.

In your case you'd really want to check with endo and do tests to see your levels and what dosage you need. You'd probably have much easier time physically transitioning, less to undo.
On the other hand if you are already non-manly looking and not horny all the time but still suffer it might take more drastic changes to cure you (if you can even call transition a cure)

AGP seems a lot like a buzzword to me. I mean, yes, I fetishize being trans and I'm very attracted to transwomen, but isn't it normal to be attracted to being your own gender? Don't manly men want to be the men in bed? Don't feminine girls want to be the women in bed?

I mean, I'm not going trans just because I like the idea of being someone's bitch. I've wanted to be a girl since I was ~11/12 and I used to play with girly stuff all the time as a kid.

Has anyone tried nofap and had their feelings of dysphoria go away?

>>7278553
I've always just thought of it like I fetishize a lot of the clothes and kind of an idealized feminine behaviour/look.
I still think about just being a normal girl though and it kind of depresses me though. It used to not be so bad but now my body has changed too much.

>>7279180
You nailed it with the clothes. That was how it all began for me. Something about the "form follows function" aspect of girl clothes (like if I have tits I have to wear a bra to hold them up)... I think of it as sexually-driven envy of femininity

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>>7278553
>isn't it normal to be attracted to being your own gender?
I'm bi but this is how I perceive a lot of gay men I've met. Even in my own case I often fantasize about being both the kind of men and women that I'm attracted to. Statistics apparently bear this out as well. The heatmap seems to imply that gay men are more strongly attracted to men who are physically similar to themselves. I don't know if this holds true for lesbians as well, but it would certainly be interesting to find out.

In the end, it may just be a feature unique to biologically male people. AGP makes a lot more sense in that context then. Maybe its just easier for males to internalize their attraction.

>>7276056
it's ok i kind of just play whatever role

>>7273899
sorry i haven't messaged you :\
i get anxious and then remember how long matches take

>>7278553
It's not just in bed though (or necessarily in any kind of sexual situation). Cis women and non-AGP trans women don't get turned on by being feminine in itself. AGPs can get turned on by the idea of doing normal, completely non-sexual things as a girl, as well as sexual things (and in that case, the femininity is a key component of the sexual appeal). It's not "normal" to be turned on by, for example, being referred to with female pronouns, or by the femininity of your face.

Is there some kind of reparative therapy that will make you completely gay? I feel like my being bisexual contributed to having AGP tendencies. I just want to be a normal faggot. I want to stop having fantasies of being a cute girl while having sex with a hot guy. I don't even like women outside of my AGP fantasies and I have little desire to have sex with one, either as a man or as a woman.

>>7280845
if there were they'd be using it to make you straight, not gay

Survey results proving that liking gynandromorphs (traps/shemales) is highly correlated with AGP
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27858199

>can't wear girl clothes out because getting a boner
>can't stop getting a boner without wearing girl clothes out
Well meme'd, AGP

>>7278653
I did no fap for 10 months about 4 years ago and all it did was make it hurt when I finally gave in

>>7281661

Have you tried wearing girl's clothes at all times when you're at home?

Also, you do know you're supposed to tuck, right?

>>7281673
Of course but you can't tuck a chubber

>>7281688

Are you tucking before or after you put ANY clothes on?

>>7281661
>for 10 months
How the fuck is that possible, you get aching balls in just a week. The longest I lasted was about a month and I've been sick.
>>7278653
Anyway either extreme is bad. Abstinence is as bad as compulsive masturbation (I tried both). Being horny makes it impossible to not think of sexy stuff - only leading to more AGP thoughts and wanting to do very dirty things. And going crazy just seeing a hot girl as much from lust as from envy knowing you'll never be like her. You need a release once in a while.

>>7281694
Impossible to tuck when you get a boner just from thoughts of dressing up

>>7281811

Then why are you thinking of dressing up and not focusing on the task at hand?

>>7281811
You just don't jerk off.
The only bad week is the second, after that it gets a lot easier

>>7281818
Not really helpful tbdesu

>>7281830

I'm just saying how can they not focus on tucking instead of "Oh yeah, right after I'm done with this I'm going to get dressed up and look so cute. Ah fuck, my dick got hard." Either they can't keep their mind blank for a few seconds or their dick is ridiculously sensitive to touch.

>>7281835
>Oh yeah, I'm gonna tuck and look like a girl
>boner noo

>>7280325
i'm living the neet life
the more 50 min matches i can get to fill the day the better

>>7281835
>touching it makes it grow
>taking forever to mess with it to try to tuck it makes it grow
>thinking about what you are doing and why you are doing it makes it grow
Plus something feels inherently disgusting about it all while having a dick

>>7281846

Stop thinking.

>>7281854

Then concentrate on the disgust and increase its size in your mind to see if that counteracts the rest.

>>7281854
>tfw you develop genital dysphoria just because you want to wear cute clothes
JUST

>>7281866
impossible, and it's not entirely conscious
does HRT really kill boners even when you get aroused?

>>7281896

Are you saying you're not on HRT but you still want to go out in public dressed as a girl?

>>7281896
I'm okay with my penis. It's just my testicles that get in the way

>>7281866
It doesn't just work that way. Even a normal dude doesn't think "ok dick, I need you to get hard now so I can fuck that girl"

>>7281896
No, HRT doesn't prevent you from getting boners. It's been a year and my dick still works mostly like before (and yes, it's working)

The worst is getting genital dysphoria but being completely unsatisfied with current srs

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>>7281018
Absolutely not. The love between men is pure. Heterosexuality is gross.I just want to be pure.

>>7282191

>The love between men is pure.

But if the bottom didn't clean properly, there's shit everywhere.

>>7281906
Have you forgotten what thread this is? Of course I've been dreaming of it all my life. But Im fine doing it in private otherwise I'd risk my life in our homo/trans-hating world. And in public I can wear unisex female clothes and they are tight in crotch area and underwear too.

>>7282144
>It's been a year and my dick still works mostly like before
Shouldn't it at lest stop spontaneous erections you'd get from casual AGP or sexy imagery? Like you get less random unwanted boners with age.
What are you on btw bica/spiro/CPA?

>>7282203
Just another reason to want a vag -_-

>>7282144
current srs is amaze balls u loon. go to thailand and get their non penis inversion version. ull cream ur panties every five mins just from the fabric rubbing on ur clit.

>>7282274
s-stop
it will never be but a pipe dream to me

>>7282191
>The love between men is pure

Only if they're straight men and it's a platonic kind of love

Romantic love between men is, and always has been, a complete and utter farce,

>>7282247

It sounds more like that anon was seriously preparing to go outside in women's clothes without being on HRT, which like you said, could lead to death. Plus, unless you pass, you should feel bad for going out in women's clothes.

>>7282274

Do you speak from experience? Did the surgeon say you were an ideal candidate for the surgery or better than most?

>>7281636
>Men with GAMP were equally attracted to natal women and GAMs, on average. Thus, GAMP is best considered an unusual form of heterosexuality rather than a separate sexual orientation.
I don't see understand how they came to this conclusion after they literally said GAMPs had a higher degree of bisexual feelings. It makes more sense to me to suggest that its a novel form of bisexuality. Its literally validating that stupid feminine penis meme. No amount of freudian nonsense will making liking cock hetero.

It also doesn't line up with my experience at all. Natal women hold very little interest for me. I'm almost exclusively attracted to other biologically male people (traps included). Femininity only interests me in as far as it serves my fantasies of being a feminized male, but women themselves are almost absent from my fantasies.

>>7282247
Well yeah, random boners are mostly gone. I can't remember the last time I got morning wood, for example. But I wouldn't call response to sexual thoughts or imagery spontaneous.

>>7282274
It really isn't though. I find dilation incredibly offensive. Not to mention I'm mutilated so I would likely end up nonorgasmic without stem cells

>>7282303
>Romantic love between men is, and always has been, a complete and utter farce,
I think you're confusing gay men for lesbians. Lesbianism is first, a political statement, and a sexuality second.

>Slowly realize over the last week I'm not trans
>This makes me sad for some reason
I don't fucking get it, shouldnt I be happy that I'm a normal male?

Is it because I'll never get to live out my sexual fantasies? That I'll never get to wear all the clothes I'm interested in? Because typing those last two sentences turned me on? I'll never understand myself...

>>7273326
stop whining and just transition ud be surprised what FFS can do for older 35+ hons not to mention wat HRT could achieve. also get srs and then no one can deny ur a female no matter how hon n ugly u are since u will only be able to fuck and pee like one, unless u wear a strap on ;)

>>7282247
Forgot. On bicalutamide.

>>7282308
No, I would need many surgeries to be passable if ever. I was really just posing what I see as an AGP catch 22, if I were young enough.

>>7282316
It can be both you know? The context was about males, but you're right, lesbian relationships are equally a joke.

>>7282324
You know that one autist who posted in tons of threads about how everyone under 30 is passable and everyone saying they can't pass is really just delusional? Well she changed her tune after talking to me.

>>7281896
>impossible, and it's not entirely conscious
>does HRT really kill boners even when you get aroused?
i hear that it does bc the reason most AGPs get aroused is bc due to their repressing the slightest thought of the impending euphoria from coming out and being an acceptable passable form of their desired selves triggers arousal. usually AGP is a result of repression n being trans just as much as it can cause, its like an endless loop.

>>7282315
dialation is necessary for the first 1-2 years depending on how everything heals up, after that its ur choice if u ever want to dialate bc at that point if all is well it becomes exponentially uneccesary. also remember that masterbating with a dildo counts as dialtion after everything is healed and so does sex so if u decide u need to dialate after the neccesary mark u can just work it into masturbating time and or sex casually n not even think,about it. ALSO the average depth that the Suporn technique in thailand gets is like 9 inches i shit u not. the only way u can loose all that depth is if u r deliberately not dialating as required during the healing period.

>>7282315
>Nonorgasmic

The tip of your cock is equivalent to the clit (which is what causes orgasms in women) your foreskin has nothing to do with it.

>>7282317
ur trans duh if u feel that forlorn and closeted. but remember being trans isnt binary its not something that u either are or are not its something that u do bc u r dysphoric and cant handle the intensity or just really need to get more out of yourself in life. its confusing ik sorry

>>7282144

>Even a normal dude doesn't think "ok dick, I need you to get hard now so I can fuck that girl"

If you tone down your excitement, you will probably be able to control your arousal better.

>>7282309

As I remember it, that study said that the tranny chasers who self-reported as bisexuals had the same penile reaction to erotic imagery of men as the straight men who were not especially attracted to trans women did (i.e. little to none). It also said there was a near perfect (99%) overlap between those who claimed bisexuality and were AGP. The most of the rest of the tranny chasers self-identified as straight and were not AGP. This is all evidence of the pseudo-androphilia attributed to AGPs than actual bisexuality.

>>7282315

>I can't remember the last time I got morning wood, for example.

I completely forgot about that. I'm glad to be on HRT.

>I find dilation incredibly offensive.

Why?

>Not to mention I'm mutilated so I would likely end up nonorgasmic without stem cells

Have you heard that from other circumcised trans women that had SRS?

>>7282317

Why do you think you're not trans?

>>7282347

I remember she would also say everyone who started under 30 and has been on HRT for 5 years. So how long have you been on HRT? Did you check your levels to make sure you're normal?

>>7282390
That is the mots disgusting bait I've ever seen

>>7282399
wasnt bait lol shut up u r just letting the sissy fag porn fuck wit ur mind too much

>>7282377
Right and that's fucking absurd. And you have to do it multiple times daily.

>>7282380
>>7282397
It's protopathic sensitivity. The glans is not very pleasurable in general.
I already have very little sensation so I really cannot afford to lose any more.

I hate that so many people tolerate the butchery that is current srs. It only holds us back from reasonable treatment. Just like people still accepting the poison that is Spiro.

>>7282397
You're just saying "why don't you just stop the subconscious process that causes your dick to grow"

>tfw just want to wear stupid little girl clothes all the time
>tfw already spent hundreds of dollars on sockdreams
>tfw just want to be cozy and cute
>tfw not know how to feel about this

Am I fucking insane? Do you guys know these feels?

>>7282397
>Why do you think you're not trans
-I lose any interest in being a girl upon orgasm
-Likewise, I lose any and all interest to continue wearing the feminine clothes I sometimes wear when I fap
-My arousal and my feminine thoughts are like the chicken or the egg. While I know my feminine thoughts came about from my arousal initially, they still come about either at the same time or right after the other today.
-When I see girls act like girls I don't see myself engaging in that kind of stuff, nor am I all that interested in doing my makeup every day or throwing hundreds away on a bag and stupid stuff like that.
-Romantically speaking, I can only truly see it with me as a guy and the partner as a girl. I've only ever fallen with girls and while guys are okay for sexual fantasies I can't see myself falling for one.

I'm sure there are more but these are the ones that come to mind.

>>7282454

>tfw already spent hundreds of dollars on sockdreams

Fucking why would you need that many socks? I could understand if you wanted a diversity in lingerie, but socks specifically, what the hell?

>>7282465

>-I lose any interest in being a girl upon orgasm
Possibly a temporary stage as any AGP that has decided to transition can tell you.
>-Likewise, I lose any and all interest to continue wearing the feminine clothes I sometimes wear when I fap
Same as above, except fewer AGPs have crossdressed than fapped.
>-My arousal and my feminine thoughts are like the chicken or the egg. While I know my feminine thoughts came about from my arousal initially, they still come about either at the same time or right after the other today.
By today, do you mean specifically the 23rd of November, 2016, or you mean in the recent past in general?
>-When I see girls act like girls I don't see myself engaging in that kind of stuff, nor am I all that interested in doing my makeup every day or throwing hundreds away on a bag and stupid stuff like that.
That's all stereotypes not all cis girls follow either.
>-Romantically speaking, I can only truly see it with me as a guy and the partner as a girl. I've only ever fallen with girls and while guys are okay for sexual fantasies I can't see myself falling for one.
The part of your partner being a girl doesn't mean anything. You could just be a transbian. The part about you only being able to see yourself as a guy in a relationship is relevant. Why do you see yourself as a guy in a long-term relationship, but (I assume) when you're just jerking off, you're a girl?

>>7282465
all of what u just said is the well know sissy fag bimbo meme, lol, real women arent all mindless bimbos hell even mindless bimbos usually arent mindless they just now how to work the system and abuse their god given good looks and ASSets....so they r like sociopaths

>>7282489
>Fucking why would you need that many socks? I could understand if you wanted a diversity in lingerie, but socks specifically, what the hell?

well that website sells more than just socks. Tights, stockings, thigh socks, garters, whatever. Comfy things for your feeties.

>>7282507

And have you bought of each of those categories?

>>7282492
Biat-kun, you're targetting the wrong person. I'm not bimbofag.

>>7282489
>Temporary stage
I don't think "my entire life of masturbation" is a temporary stage.
>Fewer AGPs have crossdressed then fapped
Unless I'm getting ready to go out on Halloween I immediately fap after putting the clothes on, or after posing in a mirror for a few minutes like fetishists do.
>By today do you mean...
I've known it since I was a teenager that my first feminine thoughts were after I got turned on, and it wasn't a trans thought like "I hate puberty", it was more "wouldn't it be hot to be a girl?"
>Stereotypes not all cisgirls follow either
To which I say good luck passing as trans without constantly doing makeup.
>The romantic stuff
I don't see myself as a transbian because Girl-on-Girl/Yuri does nothing for me. I only see myself as a guy in a relationship because, well, I'm a man and I want to be there for her and provide for her and make her the happiest girl I know. Meanwhile I dunno why I jerk to being a girl, and never have known. Maybe Freud or someone would have an answer but I don't. I wish i had more normal fetishes, I only have like one or two of those and their influence is miniscule compared to being a girl.

>>7282513
... yes...

i realize its not a wise habit alright

>>7282520

Do you actually have a job to pay for your addiction?

>>7282546
yes! it's not like i steal shit or have some kind of meme sugar daddy buying me stuff. it just feels silly, you know?

>>7282592

Are you going into debt for it? I'm not sure if you know the film "Confessions of a Shopaholic." That's why I ask if your indebting yourself to continue buying clothes.

Do you get sick of any of the items you buy? If so, don't you think it's time to stop? What's the draw of wearing all of that stuff to you?

>>7282611
i see... no, I can definitely afford it. i just buy myself something from there like once every paycheck or so.

i don't get sick of it! i love it! the draw is having cute things to wear in any style i want whenever! i just feel silly sometimes when i look in my drawers and see so many... and I mean its also kind of embarrassingly AGP to just have a mountain of girly socks and lingerie, idk

>>7282308
>Plus, unless you pass, you should feel bad for going out in women's clothes.
thats misandrist prejudice, women dont feel bad for wearing pants

>>7282520
I've bought like probs like thousands of dollars worth of clothes over many years. It's not a big deal unless you're buying lots in short periods of time. I've wastes money on useless stuff many times before

>>7282746

Are you just crossdressing or have you started HRT? Why not try booty shorts, a dress, or something else?

>>7282749

When most guys dressed in women's clothes are most doing it to arouse themselves, it's disgusting, anon. Even if it doesn't apply in your case (and it does), you will be assumed to be one of them.

>>7282377 >>7282380
do they make neo-vag so your prostate is stimulated during the penetration? prostate orgasms are the absolute best

geee the direction this thread has taken

>>7282315

So have you tried masturbating anally?

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>>7282317
nah mate, I feel the same since trans-feels are strongly associated with arousal and just feeling good thinking that you are a girl, so good, its like love

at times when I feel totally male it hits me with dull realization that I'm just a delusional fetishist and I'd never be happy in transition either like Im not happy being a 'man'

>>7282838
It's interesting desu, I mean on one hand I like being feminine and cute and everything but like I have no interest in being a female fulltime. I think my ideal gender expression is somewhere in the middle? Like just a cute boy with vaguely androgynous proportions, maybe AAA cups? I don't have dysphoria but I want to be pretty. Idk it's a weird world out there anons.

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>>7282764
You are only perpetuating homophobic prejudice against gender non-conforming men, a prejudice that hurts all trans people.
AGP wouldn't even been such a fetish if it wasn't taboo associated with shame and humiliation.

>>7282764
Depends how you look dressed like a girl. Really masc looking guys will suffer prejudice and like 90% of people will assume it's fetishistic but if you're fairly small and skinny people won't be as harsh cause then they just assume you're a turbofag lol

>>7282885
>AGP wouldn't even been such a fetish
What do you mean by "such a fetish"?

>>7282946
He means it's a fetish because submissiveness is associated with female clothing and feminine behaviour. We also consider that behaviour socially and morally reprehensible when performed by men thus people fetishize it due to taboos.
AGP is essentially a product of our environment. It wouldn't exist without social manipulation creating it in the first place.

>>7282764
>When most guys dressed in women's clothes are most doing it to arouse themselves, it's disgusting, anon. Even if it doesn't apply in your case (and it does), you will be assumed to be one of them.
I think part of accepting urself as trans has to do with getting over this. So what if the thought of getting what u desire most (being female) gets you off? All it means is that you really want it and for some they need it to function and be productive in society. Perhaps we should start shaming everbody who has ever lusted for sex with a certain person. it is essentially the same thing the only difference is that those people obssess over someone elses ass while we obsess over our own asses. Also, personally, i feel like i cant start to trully show interest in other girls outside of me wishing I was them until I actually become myself, or actually GET myself. Cue "ur loony" memes....

>>7282800
i believe so look it up the prostate is seperated from the vag canal by a very minimal wall of flesh so stimulation of the prostate is possible during conventional sex

>mfw someone says the word "sissy" near me
>mfw I have no face to express this level of disgust

>>7283381
same

What is the prognosis for autogynephiliacs who realize at 25 that their urges are becoming constant and more intense but that they have forever missed the chance to be the teenage Stacy cheerleader they obsess over being?

>>7282838
I feel the same way as you, comrade. Only I'm okay with being a guy but I have no real interest in being "manly"

I'll just live as me I suppose.

>>7282868
I wish Genderfluid was something that could be done physically rather than just a bullshit tumblr term because I'd totally go that way if I could.

>>7284722
You're a fetishist not trans.

>>7284737
>I'm okay with being a guy but
I'm okay most of the time being a guy is comfy, except I often have to fake it to seem normal socially and my personal life been a failure and now its just non-existent and I hate my masculinization too.

>>7284722
Some wold say that AGP only gets worse with age and you might get more dysphoric. Or you might be fine just doing some lewd things in private with the right partner and a have a happy normal life.

Late transitioning is a bitch, unless you didn't have much masculinization

>>7285157
>I'm okay most of the time being a guy is comfy, except I often have to fake it to seem normal socially and my personal life been a failure and now its just non-existent and I hate my masculinization too.
idk that sounds very un-comfy

>>7285283
more comfy than being trans
maybe I make it sound worse than it is, I've had happy times too

>>7285356
well idk if i really count as trans because im still boymode and not visibly trans at all but i have happy times as well

>>7285157
I don't feel like being a guy is fake, I just feel like I constantly have to hold in feminine urges and desires. Also my jealousy of my trans friends hurts every day. I don't like my masculinization either and hate that my friends are becoming the girls of their dreams while I'm not

>>7285283
More comfy than coming out to people when not 100% certain, spending tons of money on counseling and treatment, and taking tons of HRT and buying lots of girl things and it potentially turns out to not be true but debating this is pointless because I'll never feel certain enough to make the first step to becoming a girl anyways and if I do it'll be when it's too late

>>7286191
try babysteps? you dont dive in and perform sexchange right away, HRT wont show much in first months, and trying some fem things casually wont hurt or have strong impact at all
if you have trans friends they could help you to figure yourself out too

>>7282397
No, but that didn't seem to bother her.
HRT doesn't fix bone structure.

>>7286242
I crossdress but get the urge to fap right away and then don't want to wear them anymore after I cum

HRT is money that I need for other things

Trans friends are only online and have put up with my gender issues for years to no avail

>>7278553
>isn't it normal to be attracted to being your own gender? Don't manly men want to be the men in bed?
You're asking the wrong thread nigga

>>7284722
not great, but not hopeless. the agp becoming more upset and pained as time go on is a common narrative, though n ot universal.
contrary to the standard meme, most people are still passable in their 20s, although surgery becomes more commonly necessary. you probably can't be teenage cheerleader stacy, but even if you started hormones before puberty you may not have been able to be that.

Are AGP trans women really trans? Is their gender identity as legit as non AGP trans women? Should they be accepted as women when they're dysphoria is rooted in sexism and fetishization of the female body?

If a trans woman whose dysphoria stemmed from AGP loses her AGP feelings after transitioning, is she actually trans or still AGP? How can you lose your AGP without also losing your dysphoria if the AGP is the root cause?

so is AGP general just mtfgen #5 on /lgbt?

>>7286277

I don't think you answered how long you have been on HRT. So you didn't check your levels at any point? Is it your body or face that's the problem?

>>7287290
right, I didn't. around 14 months. but that didn't stop that person from accepting me as a lost cause. if I were 5y+, then I would have started pretty early and gotten some hip growth. but even 10 years at this point cannot change the skeleton
my levels are not too low. hormones just aren't magic

it's the body and face

>>7285157
>>7286511
I might be delusional, but I think I still have the young face and frame for it. The surgery and hormones route would have required changing so many other things no matter when I did it. I guess I'm just more upset that I couldn't at least indulge it more by dressing and doing lewd things when I was younger. I only started really having fun this year. That might be making the urges more intense.

I hate that my sexual desires keep pushing trannyness on my while my personality says no I don't want that. Stop pushing this on me and go away...

>>7286631
Dysphoria is Dysphoria no matter where it comes from.

However they should have actual dysphoria that isn't a result/cause of arousal as well, unless it bothers them that way too.

>>7286631
>How can you lose your AGP without also losing your dysphoria if the AGP is the root cause?
I think this is a key question that the "AGP causes dysphoria" crowd can't answer well. Transitioners tend to stop being AGP after some time but stay sexually active and report being happier.

>Are AGP trans women really trans? Is their gender identity as legit as non AGP trans women? Should they be accepted as women when they're dysphoria is rooted in sexism and fetishization of the female body?
I can't speak for anyone else and I've opted not to transiton but I can say that for me fantasies focused on becoming a girl predated fantasies where that was shameful or fetishized. Those came later when I had to mentally justify to myself why I, a straight guy, obsessively and exclusively fantasized about being a woman. The humiliation was a rationalization. "See, I don't *want* this, someone is FORCING me to become a woman! 100% straight".

>>7286651

I hang out here because I don't like the people in mtfg.

>>7288130
They are still AGP, it's just that they are living out their fantasy, coupled with the fact that they no longer have as strong of a sex drive.

>>7288458
AGP is defind as arousal to a certain sort of thoughts and actions. They aren't aroused by these thoughts and actions any longer. They are still sexually active so it is not as if they aren't aroused because their sexuality is suppressed. How is that AGP?

>>7289243
>They aren't aroused by these thoughts and actions any longer
You're just saying this, it's not a universal truth

>>7289243
Who says they aren't aroused by these thoughts and actions any longer? Anne Lawrence has published a collection of narratives by AGP transsexuals (post-transition). Many identify autogynephilic feelings even after transition, even if there was no corresponding overt arousal the way they experienced pre-transition. That would be like saying a pedophile is no longer pedophilic after he is castrated.

>>7286476 >>7278553
Funny, I've had AAP like once when I was much younger.

>>7286631
>rooted in sexism
sexism against men

>>7289959
>You're just saying this, it's not a universal truth
>Who says they aren't aroused by these thoughts and actions any longer? Anne Lawrence has published a collection of narratives by AGP transsexuals (post-transition). Many identify autogynephilic feelings even after transition, even if there was no corresponding overt arousal the way they experienced pre-transition. That would be like saying a pedophile is no longer pedophilic after he is castrated.
AGP going away for most, but not all, transitioners is actually well-documented to the point where there is an official Blanchardian response along the lines of the reduced sex drive turning the previous lust for one's inner woman into romantic love. I don't buy into that.

>>7290117
You like Anne, right? Check out her mentioning this on page 81:
http://www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia,_a_paraphilic_model_of_GID.pdf

The tl;dr is that transitioners who admitted to having experienced AGP in the past report no longer experiencing it after a prolonged period on HRT.
She proposes three possible explanations:
1) People might be lying because admitting to experiencing AGP is socially undesirable... to which I will say: why admit to experiencing AGP in the past? Is that socially desirable? If they didn't lie before why lie now?

2) The reduction in the individual's sex drive causes the arousal to become so subtle that they don't notice it or mistake it for calm. This is more reasonable than the previous argument but I find it suspect given that transitioners are otherwise sexually active and capable of experiencing other kinds of arousal they absolutely do notice.

3) The Blanchardian retort which I don't feel I even need to address because it's completely nonsensical.

>>7290587
MtF going on 6 years of HRT here, most of these sound like bullshit desu. I admit I had AGP at a period in my life before I transitioned, but I simply don't experience it anymore. I think what Lawrence and Blanchard forget is that fetishes are often based on taboo or exotic scenarios that are highly unrealistic. If that certain scenario is more scrutinized, lived out or normalized by the subject, it becomes less and less arousing.

That's my 2 cents on why I don't experience AGP anymore. When I look in the mirror and see a feminine body, face, etc. I don't get turned on, I just feel confident and maybe happy about myself. Putting on "female" clothes and doing stereotypical female shit doesn't turn me on. All of my sexual fantasies are focused on my partner and what they're doing to me, as opposed to my own body and behavior. If you want an example, I sometimes do lewd shit on cam for FWBs or romantic partners and I can't really get hard or get off just by watching myself on cam. I have to focus on my partner, get myself in the right mood for it and maybe conjure up some fantasies or look up some porn. When I'm actually having sex with someone, I'm almost entirely focused on them and what they're doing to me. Idk if that still qualifies as AGP, but that's what I experience. Feel free to write me off as a liar because I don't 100% fit the stereotype or typology.

The more I search my soul the more it feels like I don't really want to live as a girl but my fetish wants me to live as a girl. I'm happier when I am not thinking about being a girl, I don't like wearing the clothes after I orgasm, I don't feel like "one of the girls" (although I do envy their outfits but that's likely for fetishistic reasons), I'm fine talking as a guy and living as a guy, and when I say to myself "I am a girl" I sound confident when I first say it and less when I repeat it, yet the opposite happens when I say I am a guy.

I'm not a girl, I was happy not being a girl before I discovered my sex drive, and I didn't want to be a girl for years while having it, and I don't ever experience dysphoria. I just want to be me and I want my sex drive to go away for fucking ever so I can focus on my life.

>>7290587
>arousal to become so subtle that they don't notice it or mistake it for calm

I start to feel good and happy about feminization instead of arousal mixed with anxiety and an urge to relive it. I guess you could call it a cure if it progresses that way?

So what's holding you ladies back from transitioning? For me it's:
>scared about what my family will think
>want to have kids of my own
>graduating college in may and want to get settled in the real world before thinking about anything else
And of course
>Doubt

>>7292112
Oh and I almost forgot:
>worried that I might end up a transbian (which I absolutely refuse to be)

>>7292151
>worried that I might end up a transbian
lol what a retarded reason

>>7292112
Honestly, I probablywould be diagnosed with gender dysphoria of I went to therapy.
You pretty much summed up my reasons for not doing it though.
If I could go back to when I was like 13 or 14 I might seek help. But now, I think I'm content to relaxing in girl clothes when homealone and occasionally getting fucked in girl clothes.

>>7292112
the only valid reason tbdesu
>unpassable

>>7292226
>occasionally getting fucked in girl clothes
d-does it help?

>>7292276
Yeah but its kind of difficult finding people into that.

>>7292285
well not really hard if you are not picky and brave enough for random hookups
which I'm totally not, but I really want to...

>>7290587
>to which I will say: why admit to experiencing AGP in the past? Is that socially desirable? If they didn't lie before why lie now?

If they are to be accepted into the trans community, they will need to be extremely vigilant about not acknowledging anything AGP or pro-AGP, since the trans community hates it so much. They want acceptance. None of that is in play prior to transition, even if AGP is socially undesirable at large. Also, once an AGP transsexual has transitioned, there is an even greater internal push to deny or to ignore AGP, since she is now living as a woman. It's easy to just say you have AGP while still a man, but to actually go through with a transition and live full-time as a woman and say you're AGP - that requires much more courage. (They would essentially be saying their existence as a woman was motivated by a fetish.)

The above is relevant to point 2. Don't know what your point 3 is. If you can't even articulate it, how is anyone supposed to know if it's nonsensical?

>>7292320
I'm just starting to pass the threshold where I'm "brave enough". And by that I mean my horniness is outweighing the fucks I give.

>>7292180
It is to me because when I dream of life as a woman I have a relationship with a qt, very slightly hipsterish but still masculine guy and not some fat tumblr cunt with a shitty haircut.

>>7292112
>Ladies
Calling me that made me blush...
Doubt is the biggest reason. I do not believe I am truly transgender.

>>7292347
I'm more unfulfilled and lonely than horny, when Im horny I can just fuck myself

>>7282191
eThe asily the dumbest post ITT and that's saying something.

>>7292330
>1
You seem to misunderstand: they admit, IN THE PRESENT, to having experienced AGP in the past. That is NOT socially desirable. Why lie about experiencing it now but be honest about experiencing it in the past? If they were going for social desirability they'd deny it outright.

>2
I don't see how this is relevant to the argument that rather than hiding it they're just so subtly aroused they can't notice it. Point two is an alternative to point one.

>3
I mentioned it in the post above that one. It is the third point made on page 81 in the document I linked.
>>7290486

Should AGP trans women be exposed to their communities as sexual deviants? Every last one of them are liars and cannot be trusted. They need to be labeled as AGP and forced into accepting and admitting that they're disgusting male fetishists.

Any stockings/long socks going on sale for Black Friday?

>>7292529
>tfw you stopped cross-dressing 10 years ago, ever since you got so masc that the image just makes you sad
live for me

>>7292536
Coming out to my wife in a month or so. I think she'll be fine with it, excited even. Wish me luck.

>>7292539
>wife
how even

>>7290236
I don't think I've ever "been attracted to being myself" in sexual situations, so to speak. My last sex dream I was a dude, surprisingly, but I was Stereotypic Action Protagonist. The epitome of maleness.
Usually I'm a girl so that dream was weird.

>>7292601
>She doesn't know that a lot of AGPs marry before breaking

>>7292539
I had an mft friend who had been married (I figure AGP too since they crossdressed at home and in sex, wife was cool with it) divorced when friend finally decided to transition.

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>childhood:
>tried on mom's old clothes and shoes found in the closet
>get caught
>"you're a boy, you can't wear those, etc"
>dad gets some of his old suits for me to wear instead
>used to tell my mom i wanted my chest to be 'big' like hers
>cried when she told me it wouldn't happen

>teens:
>hated all this new body hair that was showing up
>was just angry about my body
>feelings about wanting to be a girl got caught up with sex drive
>tried crossdressing a few times
>disgusted that my body wouldn't fit the clothes and that i was aroused by the act
>found out about hrt around 15/16
>fantasize about finding a doctor in my area that would be kind enough to put me on hrt and let me transition
>knew i couldn't say anything because of parent's views
>keep busy with getting good grades and video games

>twenties:
>two failed attempts at uni
>still want a female body
>feelings still caught up in male sex drive
>after ejaculation(regardless of fap material) i'm "cured" for about 15 min before the sadness and feelings come back
>depressed
>stagnated neet, since 2012

I'm a grown "man" and I'm still so fucking scared and confused.
Am I trans, or is this all a fetish?
Should someone like me go on HRT?
I wish I had just born female in the first place, so I wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

Please help.

Sorry for any typos(it's 3:30am here).

>>7292627
>Usually I'm a girl
Wow really? This rarely happens, and I've searched this topic on TG forums, typically people see themselves in their dreams as they currently are in reality. And start to see themselves as a girl only after transition.

>>7292656
I can't tell you for sure and you should definitely seek therapy but you sound pretty trans to me. I'm usually not this quick in calling it call it one way or the other.

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>>7292656
Well time to repost the diagnostic manual, might help you be more sure. Sounds like you totally qualify for gender dysphoria and need to transition.

>>7292628
>She
:3

the idea of successfully getting into and developing a relationship to the point of marriage is completely foreign to me

>>7292520
>disgusting male fetishists

With any "unconscious" set phrases, it's interesting to invert systematically the components to reveal the underlying ideology.

>disgusting male fetishists
>disgusting female fetishists
>disgusting male heterosexuals
>pure female heterosexuals

Really makes you think...

>>7286651
Have you been in mtfg?
I have. One.
That place is unfiltered tripfagcancer.

>>7292862
>>7286651
I mean, I don't necessarily mind if you're here. It's pretty chill. But if you're not AGP why not go to tgg?

>>7292628
>>7292635

We do pegging and role-reversal stuff like that, and she's super open-minded and loving, so I'm hoping it'll go smoothly. I've been thinking open low-dose HRT just to thin out some body-hair, but I don't want tits or anything like that. I feel like that's going to be the biggest topic of conversation since it's actual hormone therapy, something we haven't discussed before.

Just discovered you guys exist, it feels really good to share this with somebody.

>>7292912
I hope things work out for you. Good luck.
I don't want to be overly negative but a hetero woman might not respond well to her husband actually taking hormones.

>>7292965
Yeah, and I don't want it enough to break up a marriage for it. Shaving/waxing, wigs, makeup, and dresses seem to do the trick just fine.

>>7292912
>low-dose HRT just to thin out some body-hair
Not very effective for that, even on full HRT people still have to do hair removal

>>7292112

Well, I'm on HRT and want to transition. So it's just my beard shadow and that my facial structure is too masculine preventing me from transitioning socially.

To start hair removal I need a driver's license to be able to hold a job and get to the laser technician or electrologist.

And my face is only salvageable by a surgeon, so that's a few years of saving up once I finally get a job.

Waiting to start HRT at 20 was a mistake. I should have just told my mother 13 years ago, consequences be damned. I probably overestimated the consequences of having done it then and definitely underestimated the consequences of waiting until after 18 anyway.

>>7292151

Work on that internalized homophobia, anon.

I sometimes wonder, "If I had accepted being bi back when I was 11, would I have also done something to transition earlier?" After all, you get a bigger selection of guys as a girl and I would have started hanging with the LGBT kids instead of on my lonesome, so I could have been around people who would have supported the idea of me transitioning instead of just having my oppressive family as a social environment.

>>7292536

Why didn't you start taking HRT at that moment?

>>7292539

I'm shocked we have anyone with a wife in this thread. How did you get memed into that? Although at least it doesn't sound like you chose a wife that's incompatible with your condition, unlike most AGPs who get married.

>>7292656

Yeah, you sound like you should be on HRT yesterday to me, anon.

>>7292912

Welcome, how did you find this general?

>>7293742
uhh so you are 33?

>>7288130
so why not transition if u r obv a pure dysphoric?

>>7293755

Nah, nigga. 21. That moment that I was talking about was 13 years ago from now (when I was 8), not that I was 20 years old 13 years ago.

>>7293755
I'm almost 28 and barely starting hormones get on my level plebs
At least I have weird developmental disorders and didn't age much past 18 or so. I'm starting to get more body hair now...

>>7293742
>Why didn't you start taking HRT at that moment?
I was 15 and still in denial about being anything but a straight cis male. Cross-dressing and exclusively masturbating to AGP bait didn't convince me that I wasn't just a pervert, nor did a childhood full of idle fantasies about genderbending. It took a long fucking time for me to even consider something might be off.

>>7294017
Samefag here.
>>7293804
First thing first, my identity wasn't and still isn't that clear to me. Even though I had these childhood fantasies I never thought of myself as anything but a boy and was fairly happy until my teenage years, when I inexplicably became depressed. Then the whole thing turned sexual and I figured out I was just some weird pervert. By the time I started overtly agonizing over my gender and considering the possibility that this might be more than a fetish it was too late. I'm genuinely unpassable at this point.

>>7294017

Oh, so it was when you were 15 that you got too masculine to crossdress. I guessed it was some point after 19.

>>7294057

You are on HRT at least, aren't you?

Ah, I'm jealous of all these girls who know who they are!

Meanwhile any slight lean towards identifying as female and wham boner. My fetish is controlling my life...

>>7294089
boner and despair

>>7292507
>1
Maybe not socially desirable, but more honest than most. Again, the reasoning I said before still applies: There are different social pressures that exist once you're a part of the trans community than when you are not. Also, HRT is a hell of a thing. Like I said before, I don't think anyone would say a pedophile is no longer pedophilic after he has been castrated, even if he is not experiencing strong arousal. As for being sexually active still, sure. But I would want to know their feelings of sexual arousal, their initiation of sexual behavior, and whether those are higher or lower before and after transition.

>2
I misread what you said. Yes, I think that's possible, again as a result of HRT and having actualized being a woman.

>3
I think this is plausible too. Many men find it difficult to keep up sexual attraction to one woman over time. This is also confounded with age, but so is an AGP across their transition timeline (when they first have AGP feelings to coming to terms with wanting to be a woman to transitioning). Today's era is interesting in that more and more AGP are transitioning earlier rather than later (say, in their 50s).

>>7294130
Despair but also an erection

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>>7294675

>tfw you started HRT but it's too late to become a cute girl and your life has no meaning if you live it as a man

>>7292180
Not its not. Why would someone want to be a disgusting straight guy who roleplays as a man-hating lesbian?

I curse being bi every day of my life. If I were a normal gay man I probably wouldn't have agp and I could live a normal male life.

>>7294711
When did you start?

>>7294671
>1
>Maybe not socially desirable, but more honest than most. Again, the reasoning I said before still applies: There are different social pressures that exist once you're a part of the trans community than when you are not.
True but the reports are by people who have already transitioned, rendering the distinction irrelevant to the question at hand. We're not talking about an individual saying different things about themselves at multiple points in time but about an individual who has already transitioned saying that they used to experience autogynephilia but don't any longer. Why lie partially? Social desirability does not explain this away.

>Also, HRT is a hell of a thing. Like I said before, I don't think anyone would say a pedophile is no longer pedophilic after he has been castrated, even if he is not experiencing strong arousal.
Pedophiles can't remain sexually active. These people do, and some become more sexually active because they no longer hate their body. This is a false equivalence.

>As for being sexually active still, sure. But I would want to know their feelings of sexual arousal, their initiation of sexual behavior, and whether those are higher or lower before and after transition.
Same here and I sadly don't have any data on this, only people (including the academic AGP proponents e.g. Bailey) pointing out that many AGP transitioners become more sexually active afterwards.

>2
I don't think this stands up to my first argument. Why is only *one* kind of arousal reduced to the point where it is unnoticable but secretly present?

>3
>I think this is plausible too.
I find it absolutely Jungian. This is not a scientific argument.

>Many men find it difficult to keep up sexual attraction to one woman over time.
The feelings go away after transitioning, not after yearning for a long time. Yearning for decades until transitoning and then consistently "growing bored" of your "inner woman" after 2 years on HRT seems like a stretch.

>>7294792

After my zygoma became noticeably wider than the rest of my face, my jaw and chin widened to the point only surgery could make them look decent, and my head grew to have a 24" circumference (20 years old).

>>7294803
>1
Yeah, those are the people I'm referring to. I think it is reasonable for someone to say "I felt arousal by being a woman but now that I'm a woman, that's not what it's about." It is a more "redemptive" story than "Oh, I was AGP and yeah, I still am as a trans woman." It's the same reasoning applied to the pedophilic example I've been giving. It's better to say "I was pedophilic but I'm cured after the castration" than "I was pedophilic and still am."

And yes, pedophiles can, they just have little desire to. I have no data to speak to this, admittedly. But to say pedophiles are unequivocally not able to be sexually active I think is unfounded.

There are some data by Lawrence published in 2005, a paper called "Sexuality Before and After Male-to-Female Sex Reassignment Surgery." But it includes non-AGP transsexuals, and the "before" data are not easily compared with the "after" data. Notably: "Frequency of autogynephilic arousal after SRS was significantly and positively correlated with number of female sexual partners after SRS, number of female sexual partners and number of total sexual partners in the last 12 months, number of episodes of sexual activity with female partners and with all sexual partners in the last 12 months, and number of episodes of masturbation in the last 12 months."

>2
I think another thing you have to consider is the phenomenon of autogynephilic pseudobisexuality. It is not uncommon for AGP individuals to find having sex with a man sexually arousing because it is a female thing to do. It only stands that this form of AGP arousal is heightened once they are women full-time.

>3
I don't see why this couldn't be tested scientifically, or at least you could get some data that could speak to it. For instance, asking AGP individuals before and after transition about sexual and romantic feelings regarding themselves as a woman. Asking them about their emotional connection with their female self, and seeing whether this increase

>>7294768
lol

>>7294803
>>7294875
(continued)
seeing whether this increased in correspondence with decreased sexual arousal or feelings related to AGP.

>The feelings go away after transitioning, not after yearning for a long time. Yearning for decades until transitoning and then consistently "growing bored" of your "inner woman" after 2 years on HRT seems like a stretch.

Good point. I would need to see longitudinal data though. People don't usually suddenly transition. They've thought about and lived as women for a while before that happens. So I would expect a downward trajectory there, not as sudden as you're saying.

1/2

>>7294875
>1
You're right that admitting partial guilt is far better than saying you're still guilty. What I don't understand is why such a large group would choose to only tell a partial lie instead of denying the whole thing. Accrediting the whole thing to social desirability is problematic.

>And yes, pedophiles can, they just have little desire to. I have no data to speak to this, admittedly. But to say pedophiles are unequivocally not able to be sexually active I think is unfounded.
You're right in the sense that the sexual desires don't completely disappear to the point of assexuality but from what I can gather the result is fairly close.

>Research
I'll have to look into it. Thanks. On its face I don't think this contradicts what I'm arguing on the subject of lieing due to social desirability concerns as much as it backs the idea of two types of transsexuals. If the typology holds then it only makes sense that only those who are attracted to women experience AGP. The question is how many of said AGP individuals spent a significant amount of time living as women while on HRT prior to being questioned.

>2
You're right in pointing out that the transitioner's new-found ability to physically express their meta attraction to men might be the motivating force behind them becoming more active. What I'll ask though is this: if that is the case why is this aspect of AGP not dampened while the others are weakened to the point of being unnoticable?

2/2

>>7294875
>>7294892
>3
To be blunt I find the whole inner woman narrative incomprehensible. I have yet to actually speak to someone who identified with it and this is including self-proclaimed autogynephiles. This is not to deny that people aren't sexually attracted to the idea of themselves becoming women, but that this character is somehow separate from the self and capable of incurring romantic feelings. As I see it the self-attraction is similar to the self-attraction a masochist experiences from imagining themselves being whipped. You can't impose interpersonal ideas on relationships on autoeroticism.

>Good point. I would need to see longitudinal data though. People don't usually suddenly transition. They've thought about and lived as women for a while before that happens. So I would expect a downward trajectory there, not as sudden as you're saying.
I'd also like to see that study. One thing I'll point out though is that the very act of being on HRT and living as a woman for a while (say a few years) is the supposed background of the people claiming to not be aroused by AGP experiences any longer.

>>7295062
>This is not to deny that people aren't sexually attracted to the idea of themselves becoming women
Are. Damn, I'm getting worse and worse at proofreading. Sorry.

>>7294845
my head is about that huge too with a big manly jaw/chin, except rather long than wide face, which is even worse for looking fem

>>7295308
Are womens heads actually smaller? I know men get a larger occipital bun, larger brow, sometimes a flared jaw, etc. but overall I don't think their skull size is significantly larger.

Luckily my skull never masculinized much. I have a pretty thick beard but basically no jaw. I've got a pretty decent browline now though, it sucks....
Oh well, it's not like I'll ever be able to fully transition anyway, at best I'll just be stuck at androgynous. Too old to transition and not enough money for the surgeries.

>>7295455

I certainly have a larger head than any of these women. http://www.refinery29.com/average-head-size#slide Though maybe it has to do with proportion relative to my height.

>>7295484
I dunno, I'm only like 5'8"ish and my head might be slightly bigger than womens my size, but not by a lot. I'd say the only major difference is I have a larger occipital bun and a brow line.
I have a weak jaw so it's pointed with no flare at the sides though.

>>7295455
>Are womens heads actually smaller?

They totally are, men have bigger brains too.
My head is large even on a male scale. But the chin/jaw is the worst. I look more like Vincent Gallo and I might be able to remotely pass only after serious FFS.
Envious of those who can look fem just on mones/makeup, I'll have to man up instead.

1/2

>>7295041
>1

I think the way of thinking about it is less like a lie than a comfortable ignorance. It behooves not only their public image but also themselves to say they are not living out their AGP fantasy but rather, they are in fact actually women and have righted themselves by transitioning. Of course, AGP and doing the right thing by transitioning are not mutually exclusive, but the predominant narrative floating around that puts AGP and trans in different circles makes this seem so. I am honestly happy to see this not being touted as much on /lgbt/, compared with 3 years ago.

By the way, Anne Lawrence has some interesting things to say about this in her book, if you have it. On page 209: "Some autogynephilic gender dysphoric men, however, cannot deny the uncomfortable truth that our very best gender specialists seem to insist on denying - that they are, without a doubt, paraphilic men. But autogynephilic gender dysphoric men would have to be very brave to pursue sex reassignment while saying openly, without apology, [that they are AGP]." My reading of this is that they might not be able to deny their AGP feelings before transition, but after transition, there is much social and internal pressure to deny.

>Research

It doesn't really speak to that, you're right. But it's relevant to the idea that AGP feelings don't tend to go away even after transition.

>2
I think it might be that all aspects are dampened due to the lower sex drive post-transition, but that that aspect remains in play due to transwomen still desiring to partner up and be with romantic and sexual partners. Elderly people may not want sex as much, but they still want affection and company.

2/2

>>7295062
>3

Do you mean "woman trapped in a man's body" narrative? If so, I think that is incomprehensible too, both for AGP and non-AGP trans, but especially AGP trans. If you mean that AGP men have created an "inner woman" they have bonded with, not sure I agree that it's incomprehensible. That is in fact what they've done, and maybe "inner woman" is not the right term. But they have a female persona they're nurturing. Whether they are romantically interested in nurturing this persona might be a stretch. Romantic love might be the wrong phrasing here. Attachment may be better. Habituation might be even better. (A masochist who has whipped himself so many times that it's boring or no longer elicits arousal might switch to burning himself.) Admittedly, there are no good data on this, as we're both acknowledging.

>One thing I'll point out though is that the very act of being on HRT and living as a woman for a while (say a few years) is the supposed background of the people claiming to not be aroused by AGP experiences any longer.

Source?

>>7295118
Haha, don't worry. It's 4chan. Frankly, I'm pleasantly surprised we are even able to have such a cordial discussion about this issue.

Is Blanchard AGP himself?

>>7293742
>I'm shocked we have anyone with a wife in this thread. How did you get memed into that?

We knew each other pretty well in high school, and I was already super inspired by androgynous figures like Brian Molko, so she knew already that I was a little queer. We don't really have typical gender roles either I guess, both in and out of the bedroom. The aforementioned pegging, as well as the fact that she provides almost all of our income.

I asked her to marry me because I feel like she loves and cares for me no matter what, and I think she's a good human being to her core. She understands me, and I'm pretty confident that she'll understand my agp. I know how schlocky I sound, haha.

>>7293622
Then it's confirmed a no-go. My main hang up was the sterilization aspect. I wasn't sure how long you could be on HRT before becoming sterile, even on a low dosage.

>>7292661
I don't see a physical entity in my dreams. My dreams aren't like movies, they're from my perspective but I can't see my body. Yet I know I'm a woman in them.

I am so submissive, I feel there's a big link between my submissiveness and my AGP. Anyone else relate?

>>7297710
was it all repression?

>>7292912
>>7297778
I've been on 100mg spiro and 1mg estrace for 3 months and it has thinned my body hair quite a lot. I am beginning to develop breast buds though so idk if you wouldn't want that.

>>7298115
Im rather a switch, id love to submit and be a dom mistress too
but really I value independence, cant stand clingy or controlling people

>>7298118
or meta attraction?

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>tfw you are getting gray hair

Christ, I need help.

I wish this were a made up Tumblr disability, but fuck me it's not. This Agp is crushing. Just an hour ago I was texting 3 guys, presenting myself as a sissy to them posing in cross dressing photos for them. I came later, and after cumming 3 times do I finally revert back to my proper, masculine self. Of course, this moment of clarity lasts only for about 5 minutes tops before once again I lapse. This stuff could potentially lead me down a dangerous road... I cannot fully commit to either side, if I stay masculine, eventually AGP cripples me and I start the whole cycle over again... And then when I lapse into the female self eventually I cum and realize, bro, I was seriously considering meeting with this person... Or that I would do this... The point is I can't continue to live like this. I must choose one and currently it is much easier to cut the loss and stay as a man. Forget indulging the fetish every now and then... It's become more than a fetish now, it's become an influence on important, life issues. It's grown to be more. I want to rid myself of AGP. At this moment, after masturbsting (a 4th time while writing this), if offered a button that would make me normal I would push it. Lest I know that once the AGP sets in I won't want to.

How do I did myself or at least reduce AGP?

>>7298540
Remember our house words: Are You Seeing A Therapist?

>>7298115
Probably yes. I don't even want to do any penetration.

>>7298875
No

>>7298540
Get a bf to be a sissy for. Regular gf would help too.

I dont know, masturbation becomes so unfulfilling regardless of wether you feel shame or got over it.

>>7276393
I have to admit I listened to feminization hypno (legit hypno, not the sissy porn stuff) and going into trance and believing I was a girl with girl body made me feel unreal good and happy at a time when I've been otherwise depressed. Of course afterwards it only made me more sad that it cant be a reality.
t.nottrans

>>7306317
sage!

>>7306509
is there a guide to feminization hypno? I wonder if that would make me accept myself as a girl...

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>>7306645
I dont know of a guide, you might need to ask to people on related boards.
And yes I really think it could if you are suggestible and already have it in you, afterall they say that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis.
But do you want to go that far? it could make you dysphoria worse and then you wont be sure if it's your nature or an external influence on your subconscious that makes you want to transition.

>>7301046
>Get a bf to be a sissy for. Regular gf would help too.
how does one get a bf/gf whose happy with one being feminine and crossdressing and basically agp?

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>>7307555
at anime fests if you are into cosplay
or chasers on fetish and dating sites/apps if you are more into that

or have a highschool gf like that lucky guy with a wife who posted few days ago

>>7307777
but chasers wouldn't like a guy who wants to be feminine. they want someone passable.

>or have a highschool gf like that lucky guy with a wife who posted few days ago
story!

>>7307828
Maybe not "chasers" in the since you're thinking, but there are definitely people looking for trappy/"sissy"/feminine guys. There's also kind of an overlap between the people who want them and the people who want MtFs.

>>7307828

Depends on the chaser, like the other anon said. I started out as a trap chaser, ended up pretty gay. Using gay hookup apps now to find even just mildly twink-like men to fuck with. (Though I'm not just a chaser but also sissy myself so some masculine traits in the man are also a turn-on, like being ripped.)

>>7307894
Would a relationship between two non-trans agps work or fail cause neither wants to be a 'man'?
I once had a crush on an trans but it was more cause I've seen myself in her and felt for her but couldn't be her *boy*friend, it was even worse than with women when you want to *be* her more than be *with* her. This meta-attraction is such a pain, especially if you want anything serious and not just hookups

I posted this in the mtfg thread but I think I was wrong.

I wanted to know if any passable traps/femboys were into topping/being a switch with a cute masculine guy. I have a qt trap gf already, but they want to do lewd things with me with another person. I had a hard enough time finding my qt now. Is it common for traps to enjoy topping guys?

>>7309217
>Is it common
not common, for dysphoric and gender role reasons, mtfs and agps want to be in the woman role
and hormones could make their dick barely working too
>top a masculine guy
even less likely, more likely with a woman or someone fem, topping transbians is a thing for sure

but why all these generalizations, people are different, ask the one you are dating

>>7309327
Well see, he already enjoys topping. I'm looking for another trap/femboy who likes the same thing. Well a switch, but it seems like that will be hard to do.

He wants to tag team me with another trap. It's pretty lewd, not even my idea surprisingly.

>>7298451
I wouldn't mind breast buds too much. I doubt they'd get to a point where they'd be impossible to hide if I absolutely have to. Plus, wifey likes boobs, so I'd hope she'd be cool with me growing some small tits.

I'm glad to hear that the hair thinning happens so fast. I'd hope to get the same results with bicalutamide instead of spiro if I do end up taking HRT, but we'll see.

>>7307966

I can only speak for myself here: I wouldn't have a relationship with someone who doesn't either pass as female or is very very feminine. So any male who isn't a passing MtF is out. My lust for cocks and boy butts is purely sexual in nature. Cute women on the other hand make my heart melt and want to spend all my time with them, not just sex time.

>>7312425
>I wouldn't have a relationship with someone who doesn't either pass as female or is very very feminine. So any male who isn't a passing MtF is out.
Just realized my sentences contradict each other. In the first I imply I *would* have a relationship with a very very feminine non-MtF male. As far as my imagination serves that's true, though I'm not sure if I've ever met a single guy that feminine in my life so maybe it's just a fantasy.

>>7307852
>Maybe not "chasers" in the since you're thinking, but there are definitely people looking for trappy/"sissy"/feminine guys.
how do i meet them?

>>7312425
>My lust for cocks and boy butts is purely sexual in nature.
why not want romance with guys too? i know i do. with me it's like >>7307966 i can like girls/mtfs but as friends and sexually, not romantically, and wanting to be them. not wanting them to be my bf like i want men for.

I just had a thought about agp; isn't it a mixed feeling of :

1. Liking to dress yourself as woman / present as a woman
2. Being aroused at feminity/woman

We could therefore try to dissociate sexual arousal and the thought of yourself as a female and to label sissyfication, men attraction as a woman etc. as a fetish not necessarely linked
at least to me it's a better way to handle the agp thing

>tfw you simultaneously find Kay Brown immensly likable and feel like she covertly hates you

>>7314026
>try to dissociate sexual arousal and the thought of yourself as a female
but how, its almost impossible for AGPs,

sissyfication is totally emasculation it's MEF

>men attraction as a woman etc. as a fetish not necessarely linked
I cant make sense of it, can you re-word it to be more clear?

>>7314205

>and feel like she covertly hates you
>covertly

Her writings are soaked in disdain for AGPs, I find. Even though she says AGP dysphoria is still legitimate and that they should still be treated as women.

>>7314375
You're right. It is just that every once in a while, between the walls of text hinting about how AGPs are deficient, she puts in a "you're legit tho".

>>7314375
yeah no shit

>most MTF transkids, including myself, do NOT like having relationships with GAMPs, partially due to unconsciously recognizing their essentially autogynephilic sexuality which is self-reflective and partially due to GAMPs’ focus on pre-op genitalia, which given the “avoidant” nature of most MTF transkids, makes them exceedingly uncomfortable.

I sometimes wonder whether I've read too much Blanchard&Friends and too little criticism. I picked up most of the common lines by osmosis and read some of Zinnia Jones's stuff but that's that. Serano is an outright denialist. Can you recommend anyone?

>>7312989
>how do i meet them?
Are you cute and look good with cute clothes and makeup?

>>7312989
>why not want romance with guys too?
Unless we're talking about someone REALLY feminine, men's personalities are just utterly repulsive. The arrogance, the fixation over dominance... gah I hate men. Just lust for their bodies sometimes.

>>7318303
>men's personalities are just utterly repulsive
>Just lust for their bodies
Funny, most on 4ch would say the exact opposite.
Im not the one to generalize and met both women and men with great personalities and had romantic attraction to both

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Posting for a friend
>he takes hormones but prefers to be called a guy (doesn't care if you call him a girl)
>Is lucky enough to have D-cup titties
>Big dick too ;-;
>Prefer girls
>Says when asked if trans, "No, I'm a guy, I just like to look like a girl. It's more comfortable for me to look like this than I used to"

Is he AGP, at least partially?

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>>7323747
>likes having D-cups
>not trans
Pick one, seriously. Even femboys who take mones are uncomfartable about their boiboobs. Dysphoria works both ways, normal cis men feel bad about having female features, especially such prominent. Those who try mones for 'cute looks' drop them when feminization goes too far.
Why doesn't he self ident as female or care about social transition I dont know.
AGP? Probably. Does he like 'traps'?

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>>7323855
He says he'd fuck a trap but he has no fetish for them. He likes having d-cups but isn't trans he says, just likes being a boy with tits.

>>7323855
If they were trans, what gender would they be? It doesn't sound female to me.

>>7323965
It's possible to have strong body dysphoria that forces you to be on HRT without feeling that you are a woman and much of the 'social' dysphoria and the need to be seen as female. There are some regulars on this board who feel that way and literally posted

>I feel more like a very feminine boy, tho I dont admit it to everyone.

>>7323855
what's the image from
what's GAM/GAMP?

tfw the person you knew changes sex 3 times in ~5 years and you just sit on your ass afraid to do anything

>>7324035
gynandromorhp aka trap/shemale
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/she-loves-me

>>7324120
>subjecting me to that blog
WHY couldn't you just link me the papers

anyway at least they weren't hard to find

>>7324207
*shrug* I dont even read it, only came across that page
all papers are linked there

How do you convince yourself that you're legit trans? I can't help but doubt myself every time I get turned on by something especially cringeworthy.

>>7324296
You get on HRT and see how it goes. If it makes you happier even prior to any physical changes - that's your brain natural reaction to estrogen, you are trans.

>>7324404
>that's the placebo effect
ftfy

>>7324410
its not placebo, in normal men low testosterone and high estrogen leads to depression, in transwomen its the other way around, HRT helps to alleviate depression, and it happens not only when you start and convince yourself something good is to happen (that can be placebo effect indeed) but when you forget about it and just habitually take the pills and suddenly you realize that you no longer feel like becoming an hero every day

>>7324462
it's only a factor of the hormones providing satisfactory changes to the body
if those don't happen, it doesn't alleviate depression

>>7323747
>>7323943
He's an enlightened being. If only all trans were like that. Instead they have to be misogynist pricks colonizing women's identities, spaces, and politics.

>>7324716
>Be gender abolitionist
>Praise people for strictly dividing themselves along gender lines
You're not a feminist.

>>7324740
hes obviously baiting

>>7324782
I know. Sorry. I'm at a point in my life where I can't resist being baited. I'm sick of staying quiet while people say ignorant things.

>>7324740
Are you a retard? Does taking female hormones, growing d-cups, and overall looking like the stereotypical image of a "girl" sound like "dividing oneself along gender lines" to you?

You know that biological sex, unlike gender, is a material reality, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism

>I can't comprehend your argument so you must be baiting!

>>7325012
Gender is a system which assigns behavioral dos and don'ts based on one's sex.

>>7325805
Yes, and if a biological male, acknowledging that he's male therefore by definition a man, takes on all the behavioral dos reserved for women, then how is he obeying gender?

>>7325850
He's not. You, however, spoke of "colonizing women's spaces", implying a desire to segregate by sex.

>>7325901
Women need sex segregation. See second paragraph of:
>>7325354

Lrn2feminism.

>>7325962
stop colonizing our thread with your transphobic nonsense and go be an idiot elsewhere

>>7325962
Did you accidentally link the wrong comment? I don't see a retort to the idea that segregating by sex is anything but enforcing another form of gender.

>>7326008
Lrn2read then.

OK here comes the airplane, open wide:
>by distinguishing AFAB and AMAB you're noting natural distinctions between two categories of human that exist in nature along a certain axis, which is important because they have different natural needs (only one group consists primarily of members who can menstruate, become pregnant, etc.), AND because one of those two groups has been oppressing the other for roughly 10,000 years, so to fight against that the members of the oppressed category will want to band together.

>>7324716
This is him now. I'm not trans.

>>7326066
I've already read this paragraph and it fails to address my argument. What you're arguing here is that gender is necessary, which is necessarily not gender abolitionist.

>>7326112
reminder that you are trying to reason with someone who said exactly
>transgenders are misogynist pricks colonizing women's identities

>>7323747
>>7323943
>>7326090

What is your BMI?

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>>7326370
>BMI
I almost want to laugh
I've been becoming a bodybuilder slowly for a while now, but using BMI is a joke if you're anything but a typical skinny girl.

My Bodyfat is 26%, which is in the "acceptable" for women. Trying to get down to 19%.

>>7326395
The reason I'm treating my bodyfat as female is because of tits, remember that.