ATTENTION ALL UK SELF-MEDDERS: POLICE INVESTIGATION IMMINENT

>>7244115
your island is a roting peice of third world statism.

Doubt your disaster of an NHS wi last much longer so beat of luck in building a new freedom loving health care

yeah I saw that on twitter the other day

personally I'm in the EU, but even if asset goes down you UK anons can still get your stuff from other places

>>7244181
senpai if they make a legal precedent with one website, they'll take down the rest as a matter of course
hell, even without changing the law they can just up customs checks on packages of that type/those sender addresses

>>7244115
massmedia is fucking cancer

>>7244187
they're not gonna be able to take down all of em though, especially not the ones that aren't based in the UK
As far as the package thing goes, idk maybe there's a way around that
I don't know what they're forced to write on the package by law. Maybe they can make it more anonymous or whatever

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>>7244115

This reporter should feel bad for what they've done. At least that was an actual pharmacy with an actual doctor and actual pharmacist. They tried to save trannies from uncommon side effects just so said trannies could kill themselvess.

This line especially pissed me off:
>The risky practice of self-medicating, or “DIYing” among transgender people is common in the UK, where waiting lists to see specialists at gender identity clinics can stretch to years.

It's like they have not one sympathetic bone in their body. Can't you tell that's a damn good reason to go against the medical establishment and self-medicate when your body won't agree to stop masculinization for those years you're on the waiting list? Your testicles are just, "Oh sure! You're down on the NHS' gender clinic wait list now, right? Welp, I guess that means we need to shut down and stop producing masculinizing testosterone, because everyone knows being on a bureaucratic WAITING LIST is the same as being on HRT." Not!

>>7244115
Fucking morons

>>7244115
Doesnt the UK provide titty skittles through insurance? I dont see the big deal on this. Everyone who selfmeds is a rtard anyway.

>>7244274
I don't know if private insurance or even private medicine is as ubiquitous in the UK since the NHS usually pays for everything

>>7244244
Reminder that trannies consist of 0.01% of the population, and having dangerous prescription drugs available at the drop of the hat is rediculous. That's dangerous for everyone who isn't a tranny, you know, like 99.99% of the population?
Move to the US if you can't wait 5 years for treatment. Oh wait, you don't like paying for healthcare, never mind

>>7244290
>you don't like paying for healthcare
>what are taxes

>>7244244
this.
They probably even feel they're helping us by writing this shit.

>>7244290
You're understating the number by a factor 60 there, dude.

>>7244290
>having dangerous prescription drugs available at the drop of the hat is rediculous

Ohno, we cant trust people to do their own research and decide what to put in their bodies people are waayy to stupid to spend 20 minutes googling or to be expected to deal with the consequences of their own actions

>>7244115
:'D
edging closer to self-castration by the day

>>7244244
journalists are literally the lowest form of life in the entire observable universe, I wouldn't expect much from them

>>7244290
>0.01%
I've met like 6 fucking trannies in the past few months. Young ones too not old visible hons and even more that aren't necessarily trans but are having gender issues

>>7244187
Does the Independent not realise that with the exception of controlled substances such as morphine and steroids, there is no law against importing prescription only medication for personal use?

>>7244439
the UK has a hateboner on for trannies atm, legality isn't just about justice, it's about power too
if they want to fuck us over for being "morally corrupting to society" or whatever, they'll find a way to fuck us over

>>7244411
>mere machines

implying

>>7244274

The problem is it takes 6 months to 4 years to be treated depending on the government-run gender clinic you want to be seen by.

>>7244290

>0.01% of the population

I don't know why I've begun seeing that erroneous estimate on this board recently. The official statistic is 0.3%, and even that seems to me to be an understatement of the real size of the population.

>That's dangerous for everyone who isn't a tranny, you know, like 99.99% of the population?

And I understand a cis girl might try to buy these hassle-free estrogen pills to "get bigger tiddies," but I find it hard to believe a woman smart enough to find these is also dumb enough to take them during the wrong parts of their menstrual cycle.

>Move to the US

I am an American. I got my gender identity disorder diagnosis in one session with a psych (who had no wait list to be seen) and with a different choice of endocrinologist I would been on a legitimate prescription less than a week thereafter. I just know that if I were a UK tranny, I would be fucked right now. Given my personality, it took me a very long time to work up the gumption to even DIY. For me to finally face my fears and start the legitimate route by speaking to someone face-to-face took a while longer. Now imagine I could not have self-medded that entire time, and was then greeted by a yearlong waitlist. I know I'm not the only person in the world as timid as I am, and I'm probably not even as bad as it gets. It's about having a "sympathetic bone" in your body.

>Oh wait, you don't like paying for healthcare, never mind

Keep in mind these people pay a 20% VAT on consumer goods they buy. Can you imagine paying a 20% sales tax on top of healthcare?

Jesus Christ, I've never been pissed off so much at how stupid a person (people in fact) can be and still consider themselves an investigative journalist.

I just wrote an 8 paragraph comment on the site (the one under the name 'ImmoralJournalists') trying to explain how stupid the article is but I'm not much of a writer

I've litterally just ordered my first round of hormones and AA's today (not from assetchemist thank god) If this investigation fucks me I dont know what ill do

Im glad I used adblock for the independent there, the smarmy fucks

>>7244274
Says the taxpayer leaching hon. What's it like knowing that self medding femboys pass better than you freak?

Shrinks might love creepy men like you who play to caricatures, but given that the average NHS doc has less education than a PA in the states and their care it atrocious by 1st world standards, there's no reason to wait any turn into an ape like you.

We don't fear you rules or follow them anymore, monster.

>>7244381
Doubt it
>>7244428
Nice anecdotal evidence. Cite your sources!

>>7244405
This argument is dumb. The fact that it's easy to get without even proper proof that you are who you say you are, there's no way that the government can track that shit. If there was this kind of thing but for Adderall, the police would investigate it all the same. It's not about the medicine, it's about a regulation breach.

>>7244579
>Understatement
Anecdote.
Also, see what I said above. It's a regulation issue.
Also as a point, if most of you trannies actually waited for proper treatment by a doctor or a psychiatrist, then your suicide rates probably wouldn't be so high. Self-medication is a thing in literally 0 other mental conditions.

Food for thought.

>>7244891
>cite
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/How-Many-Adults-Identify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf

You're delusional and incompetent.


Not only haven't you had any higher Ed, but you get up and start preaching that you know better than the doctors.

Truly pathetic and truly dangerous, trailer Trans like yourself thinking they're doctors.

>>7244794
now careful with that edge there Billie

>>7244891
hey , just because its not what is currently the norm doesn't mean the argument is dumb,that line of thinking is ass-backwards. why not allow people to make their own decisions as to what to put in thier bodies. as long as it doesn't hurt anyone I consider anything less authoritarian

>>7244891
>Self-medication is a thing in literally 0 other
Bullshit, hormonal contraceptives with cyprertone and estrogen are taken by women otc.

Only difference is contraception use xenoestrogens that are more dangerous.

You know nothing.

awesome, I guess I'll have to start buying off the darknet now
journalism is beyond dead
what the fuck is wrong with these ""reporters""
holy shit I'm seriously pissed off

>>7244907
That study is a shitload of "estimate"s as well as it including "gender non-conforming" in their definition of "transgender". It was also done via phone, a fairly unreliable source.

Not to mention, THEY ONLY ASKED THE QUESTION IN 19 STATES

>>7244925
Jealous hons Wanna ban self medding. What a surprise.

>>7244969
Nice anecdotal evidence. Cite your sources!

>>7244950
Read the rest of that sentence. Go on.
Yeah, what you said was not related. Try again

>>7244985
It's literally under the "Methodology" section in that paper. I'm not surprised that you didn't read it though

>>7244987
That DYI with HRT is literally standard for 50% of the pop? Yeah. I question why you try and act authoritative about this when you miss even basic facts. This is exactly why uneducated I comments like yourself shouldn't get delusions of grandeur.

Practicing medicine when you can't even run your own life, pathetic.

>>7245006
Nope! Read this
>Self-medication is a thing in literally 0 other mental conditions.
>mental conditions
I'm saying that no other people with mental conditions self-medicate. They go to psychiatrists and get a prescription for their condition.

Now if you would like to argue about what i've actually said, go right ahead

>>7245020
So you insist wanting to end normal healthy cycles and kill babies isn't a purely psychological need?

Honestly, you don't even know how Pharma works. Mental reasons dominate the bigwig block busters.

Now stick to mopping filth. The fact you you're deluded enough to acting like a doc despite being s flunk out proves you aren't fit for any higher caste.

>>7245020
>I'm saying that no other people with mental conditions self-medicate. They go to psychiatrists and get a prescription for their condition.
lolwat

Tons of people self-medicate for other conditions. St. Johns Wort for example is an extremely popular supplement for people self-medicating depression/anxiety.
Even standard antidepressants and antianxiety medications are fairly popular in online pharmacies because people with anxiety are too anxious to even see a doctor in the first place.
Plus self-medicating PMS symptoms is quite common as well.

You could probably find hundreds and hundreds of things that are quite popular to self-medicate for. The supplement industry isn't exactly doing too poorly and neither are online pharmacies.

>>7245071
>>7245020
>mfw subhuman retard anti-trannies don't know what viagra is

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>>7244115
Absolute fucking cunts, fuck them for bringing attention to this.

If this goes any further I might actually have to move states just so I can get a legit script.

If only people understood how hard it is.

Someone living in London needs to destroy this piece of shit.

>>7244115
I often wonder if the mainstream media is lowkey trying to fuck over trans people and make the general population hate them even more.

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>>7244115
The perfect excuse to not start

>>7245332

The newspaper or the reporter?

>>7245409
the reporter. he lives in east london. his address should be ez to find.

Isn't there like thousands of online pharmacies? I don't get why you guys always order from the same ones.

>>7245332
>>7244115
Hound every buianeas that advertises the independent. Tell them an exaggerated version about why Indy Hates lgbt and get them all to pull out.

The rag will then be brought to its knees.

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>>7244115

>post yfw the reporter posts in repressiongen

>>7245020
What the actual fuck are you on about, no one self medicates. WOWWEE

>>7245020

Med students rail nootropics like they're skittles.

>>7244950
what a joke. of course hormonal contraception is not available otc. if it was trannies could buy it for their self med considering the whole point of otc is that anyone can buy them without an exam (that results in a prescription). emergency contraception is an exception not relevant to the topic anyway.

and cyproterone otc? jesus, get a grip

>>7244115
This is good news. It will bring attention to the problem while avoiding that people make their medicine themselves.

You're not a fucking doctor. Leave that to somebody who's trained.

>During an investigation for The Independent, a reporter was mailed progynova, a female sex hormone that can cause liver problems and high blood pressure if used unmonitored in larger doses, after merely filling out a simple web form from AssetChemist.co.uk, an online pharmacy based in Tilbury.
Free market drones WILL defend this.

>>7245735
The problem is most doctors are not up to date on current medical research. Your average university student has 100,000x more resources available to them in terms of availability of current research. Most doctors do not subscribe to journal databases since a typical university pays several thousand dollars per month for their subscriptions.
The idea that your doctor is the end all, know all of every medical topic is a farce. They know mostly outdated information and they also bring their own biases to the table.

Not saying every retard should start buying things off the internet, but most science students would have the knowledge of how to scour science and medicine journals and make up their own minds about what is or isn't good for them. Doctors, even if they know the side effects aren't that bad, still might not let you take certain medications because it might be against their religion or they're just morally opposed to it for whatever reason.

>>7245781
You're supposed - and with good reason - to literally trust doctors with your life.
I will take experience and diploma.

Sorry but to me it's absurd to encourage such a system. What if there was a shipment of drugs that had been tempered with ?

>>7245747

>Statists will defend people's time-sensitive healthcare being delayed for years because of bureaucracy and the removal of their right of self-determination.

Pathetic.

>>7245781
Also, as mentioned earlier in the thread, even if they do now what they're doing the wait times are literally long enough to make the difference between perfectly successful transition and totally unpassable hon-mode (which means vastly higher rates of depression, suicide, etc.).

Just want to say that again, since it's an actual failure of the system to treat its patients properly. It's not irresponsible to obtain treatment you need on your own after thorough research when you know you won't be able to get it any other way before it's too late. If transition wasn't time-sensitive or if wait times weren't so long (in the UK on the NHS at least) then the posters complaining about self-medding being irresponsible with no consideration of the other factors would be right.

That said, you can still be an idiot and fuck up your self-medding, but the body of knowledge is large and easily accessible enough that it won't happen if you just look into it properly.

>>7245838
Suck my big statist dick and choke on it.
I don't care about your liberal feelings. This guy could have been selling you sugar at the price of gold and he would have gotten away with it.

If you feel that your healthcare is not good enough, talk to your doctor about your problems, or your politicians.

>>7245835
You can trust doctors sure, but a bit of healthy skepticism is good.

You should also realize pharmaceutical companies influence doctors decisions. Just look what happened with finasteride. They were telling men that DHT does nothing in adult males, perfectly healthy to take an extremely powerful antiandrogen and nothing bad will happen. Doctors were telling men there was no side effects, they'd just get a healthy head of hair. Now 30 years later you have hundreds of guys that have been chemically castrated by extremely low levels of DHT yet doctors are STILL saying it's perfectly healthy and that erectile dysfunction and testicular pain on finasteride is perfectly fine and healthy.

You can only trust your doctor up to a certain point. You should never ever even for a single second in your life fully believe everything they say though. They provide consultation to you, it's up to you to make the final decision and you are responsible for researching what they say.

>>7245709
It is, the fda mandated that everyone, including girls 12 and so get otc access. Contraception just happens to cause blood clots at s very high rate so it's not ideal.

You're a joke really, preaching stuff when a quick check of any authority prove you're full of shit

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>>7245747
>>7245882
Femgen here, it's honestly clowns like you why we all ditched leftism and went Randian.

We aren't gonna have our lives, body, personality and freedom taken away by clowns like you or nhs type failed states. I hope these elections mean we can disband your institutions and anything resembling them in any way once and for all.

>>7245835
Nhs and commonwealth doctors only have five years of total uni education. That's laughable by United States standards. Lots of my friends are much further along in their med education.


Why should people ever listen to third world witch doctors like that. Nobody should let a glorified bachelors run their life.

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>hurr progynova will make your brain explode! SELF-MEDDING WILL KILL YOU!!
The "reporter" sounds like a hon.

He's probably just salty because progynova didn't turn his masculine alpha male caveman body into a kawaii little girl he thought of becoming so he narc'd on the website and sold the story for butthurtbux. Bravo, Independent reporter, bravo.

>>7245882
>If you feel that your healthcare is not good enough, talk to your doctor about your problems, or your politicians.
Well that's just golden. I've spoken with plenty of healthcare professionals (I've moved 3 times in the last year hence the turnaround).
In the last two years I've seen

1 private, 4 NHS GPs
2 private, 3 NHS psychiatrists
3 NHS Psychiatric SHOs
Countless CPNs
An NHS-referred Occupational Therapist
A private Cognitive Behavioural Therapist
2 private consultant clinical psychologists

The standard cop-out for healthcare professionals is that they feel this or that is outwith their remit and I should see someone else.
They keep on passing the buck, why? Because their training didn't cover this shit.
These professionals deal with a multitude of patients with different problems, and only usually get skilled in the most common problems they see - trans care isn't one of those things.
Their one-size-fits-all training, and the long hours of work constricting the time they have to read into the specifics in their non-existent free time, means that most healthcare professionals simply cannot develop the depth of knowledge in such a specialist field. They can't even clue themselves up more than layfolk, including transgender people who have more time to read up about it, to hit up pubmed and scour through research papers and journal articles, to actually find NHS best practice guidelines that GPs hadn't the time to dig around for.

Look, even IF you want to do everything under the care of professionals (the number of private professionals I've seen should testify that I would like to), it's NO excuse for just completely handing over all decision making, responsibility and knowledge to those professionals. That's stupid and lazy. You should be swatting up on a continuous basis so that you can also help guide your treatment and take a pro-active approach!

Fuckin commies, I swear...

>>7245735
>can't go to doctor because living with ultra strict parents in a middle of nowhere rural area
>only time they go to town (once or twice a week) they stay out until fucking midnight, or later
>even if i went they'd ask me what the doctor said i'd have to make up some bullshit lie that'd make them suspicious

yeah, fuck you too, buddy

>>7244794
lmao "taxpayer leaching hon" I have to cough up 100 dollar a month for insurance thank you very much.

Oh btw I'm a cis girl. So I love to see these femboys that pass better then me. :^)

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>>7245505
Devious

It's kind of weird that it's so difficult to buy.
Like I get ounces of weed and other drugs delivered to my doorstep and nobody cares. Yet it seems like hormones are the most watched substance on the planet.

I'm surprised there isn't a larger tor market presence for it actually. It's pretty easy to get testosterone on there.

>>7246766

There probably isn't much of a presence of female HRT on the dark web because governments traditionally didn't care for arresting people for any hormones but anabolic steroids. So there's no reason to go super secretive about the estradiol you're selling.

Women are also too technologically incompetent to access anything below the surface web. So for a seller to make themselves harder to access like that would cut into their profits.

>>7244115
kek selfmeders btfo

>>7247507
Another victory for unfreedom!

>>7247514
another victory for reasonable health regulations imo

>>7247540
lol the health industry is barely even regulated itself. It just follows whatever pharmaceutical lobbyists tell it to do.
You should be lucky pharmaceuticals have as little side effects as they do, because there's barely anything in place enforcing it other than a tiny bit of effects from the free market which are largely overshadowed by distribution control via payments to doctors to ensure they only prescribe certain brands, and pharmaceutical companies funding research that is pro-their drug and anti-competitors drugs. That's basically the only control there is. It's just bickering pharmaceutical companies.

>>7247540
When straight people decide how a trans person will spend every second of their lives, that's reasonable?

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based UK
>>7247559
you have to leave

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>Taking hrt in tablet form

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>>7247507
>>7247540
Aren't all eu trannies kinda all Hons with receded hairlines and massive cranial bones? Yeh, your hon lords sure seem nice. Have fun with people spotting you a mile away and Muslims stoning you, honey.

American style freedom and self Med is clearly a far more beautiful system than your Neanderthals.

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>>7247540
Yeah huhu, now they can know what it's like to wait until they're an adult to start transitioning. Totally wasn't a problem for you was it?

>>7246213
>So I love to see these femboys that pass better then me. :^)
Well considering you're an ugly slag, that's pretty much all of them.

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>>7247555
>>7247559
>>7247620
>it's only about hormones ;_;_;__;
yeah cuz an unregulated med market is a nice thing right ?
>>7247622
nope wasn't a problem
how about you honey ?

>>7247646
Most of the world has an unregulated market and their drug prices are about 1/100,000th the cost of drugs in NA and EU. So yeah, an unregulated market is a nice thing.

In India they pay like $15USD for solvaldi whereas in NA and EU it's $88,000 USD.

>>7247656
nah it's not that hight in the EU, but hey sorry for rather having people get quality over muh dirt cheap meds made in bumfuck indian huts

>>7247660
wow you're a retard

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>>7247646
>>7247622
>tripfag
>attention whore
>blue hair
>chubby
>smoker
Absolutely disgusting.

>>7247660
It's literally the same thing. Gilead sold them the rights to produce it because India has no regulations and knew they would reverse engineer it regardless of patents. Gilead sold them the synthetic method in exchange for a cut.

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>>7247665
nah but hey feel free to take take shitty quality pills
>>7247668
>it's literally the same thing
you have some pretty weird pharmacies where you @ m8
>>7247666
>thinking I still have blue hair
>thinking I am chubby
>thinking I still smoke
absolutely amusing

>>7247646
>unregulated med market is a nice thing right ?
it is, people save money and everyone starts to collaborate to come up with newer safer regimens. There's lots of people with a biomed Ed and they work together. Much better than being at the mercy of a fossilized beauracracy.

You look like a 4/10 Femgen fag btw

>>7247694
>it is
ahh that's why you hear so "rarely" of peeps dying due to shitty meds ?
>femgen fag
i wish
aap lyfe is hard

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>>7247690
>you have some pretty weird pharmacies where you @ m8
oh boy a corner store drug store that must be where they're producing estrogen, right?
India has many of the worlds largest drug companies you know

The whole meme pushed by drug companies that the high costs cover R&D is ridiculous. Like 90% of their business strategy is buying up successful startups. Almost the entirety of big pharma's drug selection is the result of that process. They analyze the success of startups and if they see potential they'll buy it up. Yeah passing FDA testing is expensive as fuck, but it doesn't require big pharma to do. When they buy a startup they shotgun spray derivatives into FDA testing which is why it costs them like $1bil per drug to release because 1 drug has like 10,000 trials of different varieties of it.

The regulations on the market ultimately harm it by preventing more original research into safer alternatives. Once a startup is purchased it's no longer about safety it's about passing FDA regulations, which are more statistically gearing drugs to their process rather than actual safety. Which is why post-market redactions are so common.

>>7247713
then you should have no problem providing statistics showing how the newest meds are developed in india , right ?
or am I misunderstanding your point ?

>>7247731
That's not much of a successful argument though since big pharma doesn't make new drugs either.

The pharmaceutical industry in India leeches off NA drug companies and NA drug companies leech off startups and they're supported by government regulations that ensure a never ending supply of startups dependent on big pharma buying them up in order to be successful since it's impossible for them to successfully pass a drug through the FDA without big pharma.
If you split big pharma up into several hundred different companies it would be significantly easier to get through FDA testing though. Big pharma has very little original research on their own, most of their research is researching what others are researching so they can purchase it. They're a middle man essentially.
India doesn't have the lower-level business market that NA and EU do so they will inevitably be less successful at drug research.

>>7247713
This. That reminds me too... specifically for the USA there were Wikileaks about Hillary Clinton trying to avoid offending big pharma by not talking about these issues during her rallies, and actively trying to keep what should be common drugs out of America from India and such when they are not very different in quality.
>>7247690
Your bantz are shitty and you should feel bad.

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>>7247752
well tbqh I'd take a witchdoc over murrican healthcare but in regards to urop I have yet to see this sort of behavior so thus far I rather take delicious free home made meds than some dubious Indian stuff
Yes the majority of Indian meds is probably fine but in urops case I see no justifiable reason to allow the risk

Good news.
Estradiol is a prescription-only drug in the UK. Such drugs, as their name implies, require prescriptions and medical supervision.
Please, note that, it's illegal to sell such drugs to people without prescriptions and self-medication by them is discouraged, but suicide is legal, on the other hand.

GOOD JOB FUCKING BRITKEKS
AGAIN

fuck your nanny state
going to destroy my only cheap source of bicalutamide

>>7244891
>>7247646
drug regulations are retarded authoritarian nonsense
kys bootlickers
you'll be the first group up against the wall

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FUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>7247962
>t. angry leftist selfmeder from the UK

Friendly reminder everybody! Update your filters!

/^!!u7XJ\+S0ZQmj$/;op:yes;stub:no

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>>7248037

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>>7247625
Im sorry you cant be a real girl hon. Don't have to be so salty about it.

>>7244486
Do you have examples of where this has applied? As I understand it trans people have decent enough rights and protections. The gatekeeping is excessive but not terrible compared to a lot of other places. Have there been any anti-trans laws passed recently that I haven't heard of?

>>7249090
enjoy your penis envy and monthly bloody hormonal pitfalls, sweety ^)

>>7248042
Nice to see Laly around

>>7247646
>shames people for self-medding
>went to Thailand, where they sell estrogen and antiandrogens over the counter, for surgery

>>7249137
change.org/p/a-court-justice-for-a-young-trans-girl-that-has-been-taken-from-her-mum-forced-to-live-as-a-boy

not to mention the recent Panorama episode on trans kids that gave terf retards a handy platform and the recent CBBC controversy

>>7249214

It's really not.

>>7249226

Don't worry anon, it's not like Suporn gets the anesthetics from the same distributors as those oh sooo shady pharmacies! Oh no, of course not!

>>7249350
again blame press for blowing it out of proportions for fucking clicks

>>7249456
sure, but I know my infamously crazy dad has been using these specific programs and examples and stuff from the media against me as fuel for his abuse, and LGBT hate crime has gone up 52% after Brexit nationally. the media influence the people. the media says trannies are bad. now the people feel trannies are bad. it's as simple as that. grim.

>>7249226
>sell estrogen and antiandrogens over the counter
and there is nothing wrong with that
btw those drugs were primarily developed and are consumed by aging women and and cancer patients

I can still buy almost any AA or estradiol in a nearest drugstore, feelsgood

>>7249486
I know, I'm just saying that it's a bit hypocritical to flock to a country with some of the best trans resource availability due to lack of regulation for surgery, and then shame and mock those who go a less than legal route for hormones in the "first world" of europe

>>7249226
i don't even get your point m8
i also went to the UK and pretty much 30 other countries so ?
visiting a land that has over the counter legislation not even to buy meds is a meaningless thing to point out

>>7249486
Where do you live? I'll fly there and load up my ass with condoms full of estrogen

>>7251722

I'm not that anon, but try any Latin American country. You can even buy testosterone for any FtM friends you have.

>>7251722
no customs would let you pass with packs of meds and I doubt you seriously want to smuggle it
do mail-delivery while you still can

and if there is demand there will always be supply, afterall roiders still get their shit despite anabolics being legally banned everywhere

>>7251938
It would be inside my ass though

>>7244439
>with the exception of controlled substances such as morphine and steroids, there is no law against importing prescription only medication for personal use
wait, really?

>>7251957
No that's not true at all. It's just largely unenforced.
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparency/Basics/ucm194904.htm

It's not necessarily legal, but there's no laws really against it since you cannot prove guilt via mail. Anybody can send anyone anything they want.

>>7247646
>yeah cuz an unregulated med market is a nice thing right ?
At least give me the fucking OPTION to buy unregulated meds you statist fuck. I don't trust the government for "quality assurance", and I don't trust them with the final decision to micromanage what I can or can not ingest.

>>7251938

Like I said in >>7251742, you can get testosterone in Latin America. And I mean without prescription.

>>7252205
safer to just get testosterone on the tor marketplaces so you can avoid customs.

>>7252214
I honestly suspect that old-school smuggling is less likely to land you on the FBI's radar than trying to manage the opsec for dank web
(and that's not even with considering the issues of whether Tor is all a giant honeypot or not; I'm not sold on those theories, but I am 100% spooped)

>>7252426
I've bought weed, mushrooms, and lsd through tor marketplaces for years. Nothing bad has happened yet.
I've only ever ordered domestically though and they're not allowed to search domestic packages.

>>7251077
You got transgender surgery in a nation with the highest percentage of out trans people, which happens to let people transition without jumping through hoops. It's better to be a eunuch in the middle ages than a damn transperson today in the fucking first world lmao

>>7244994
Cite your counter sources, honbs freak

>>7247646
Lily, you should keep opinions like those in Susan's, hth

>>7253340
so ?
you do realize you need a therapist letter, 1 year fulltime, 1 yr on mones, and a clean bill of health for suporn ?
>>7253383
nah don't wanna see your posts so often
I rather stay here :)

>>7253414
God you're a fucking retarded American. Not everyone has access to an informed consent clinic or liberal therapist, you know.

>>7253448
She's austrian, she thinks the system should be built to actively fuck people over, believes in susan's tier stupidity about self-medding, and yet she essentially wrote her own letter for srs and went to Thailand because it was easier.

>>7253448
I am not american m8
and we don't have those thinks either
>>7253473
>wrote her own letter
nope
>went to thailand cuz easier
nope cuz it was better quality wise

>>7253473
It's fucking stupid. In the middle ages if you wanted your balls off you just had to ask, but now that it's safer and painless to do so you have to jump through a million hoops and pretend to be the man's image of a perfect woman to get a chance to get hormones?

>>7253484
Why didn't you choose one of the several, high quality, govt provided Austrian SRS surgeons?

>>7253492
because they have no routine and not the technique I wanted

>>7253494
Why don't they have routine? Is it the severe gatekeeping and restrictions and bureaucrat bloat making transgirls flock elsewhere to freer, better nations like America, Canada and Thailand?

>>7253503
kek are you trying to equate surgeon availability with 3rd world tier med mixing in indian nans backyard ?
you do realize there's a difference between med regulations and a shortage of surgeons , yes ?

>>7253525
Yeah American pharmacies sure do have shady medication. Retard.

>>7252426
even if it were a honeypot literally the last person they would throw the book at is some neet tranny ordering estrogen

>>7253545
see >>7247847
numbty

>>7253569
Right, you didn't have to quote yourself, we know you're a moron already

>>7253569
Real trannies don't date women. Sadly you fell through the cracks instead of being sentenced to a well deserved hondom.

>>7253574
great argument buddy
now go and order some illegal meds before you can't get them anymore
>>7253579
>only strannies are trutrans
nieme.me

QHI will stay legal for the forseeable future.
>>7253569
Why don't you trust American pharmacies exactly?

>>7253596
because the FDA doesn't have a good track-record
and the prices are overblown compared to yurop

>get my meds filled at the pharmacy
>the meds are FUCKING INDIAN
where do i go to sue for this gross negligence??

If its cracked down on I'll find a way to get hormones to trans women, I promise.

>just ordered another 9 month supply before it went down
tybg

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>The one pharmacy that you know for sure ships to your shithole goes down just as you are thinking of making your first order.

I should just end it tbqh, it's like destiny is chasing after me.

>>7254091
it's just the universe telling you you're cis senpai

>>7245976
>Femgen
HRT should not be handed out like candy. Don't take it if you don't need it.

>>7244405
Literally. Buying antibiotics online when idiots don't need them is one of the leading causes of antibiotic-immune bacteria. You shouldn't be able to get prescription drugs without a prescription. You don't have a degree in medicine or pharmacy, and neither do the morons on yahoo answers. Listen to your doctor. Bravo to the independent for causing this crackdown.

>>7255615
antibiotics are a completely different story
retards using them actually are a risk to public health.

someone popping titty skittles or mainlining heroin isn't.

>>7255618
>retard overdose
>kills/hurts self
>NHS has to conduct internal inquiry to see if it's their fault or not

>>7255627
>not a public problem
>inquiry finished in five seconds: "no, people are free to do things to themselves that don't infringe on the rights of others"

>>7255552
It's just the law telling him he ought to be cis tbqhwu

Orchestrations of the government ≠ orchestrations of fate/destiny

>Trans are almost exclusively authoritarian leftist given their rhetoric and activism
>This happens and now I see libertarian rhetoric here

Interesting really.
Trans activist are the first to advocate to expand government power to tell other people what they cant do and cant say.
Im sure Transsexual libertarians exists and If I was to see them Id find them on 4chan. But for the vast majority of the voices within pro-trans activism its very hypocritical to constantly demand new government powers to suit your agenda then to come back with complaining of encroachment of government regulation on your personal life.

Most of the people who have a problem with this are on shaky personal ethical ground I feel.

>>7244115

I hope they made enough money to defend themselves in court so they can continue. But with how high taxes in the UK are, who knows.

>>7255888
>cue the angry dad/mom
>cue the funeral expenses
>cue the inquiry proving that if it isn't the NHS fault, it must be the pharmacy

Also, "people are free to do things to themselves that don't infringe on the rights of others" is retarded
There a reason why you wear seatbelts and can't sell kidney for a profit, it's common sense

>>7256479
4chan is a hive of half-brained libertarian kids who would rather have someone die of overdose rather than respect the fucking law

>>7256487
It's done, it's basically illegal practice of medicine and drug traffic.

>>7256656
>4chan is a hive of half-brained libertarian kids who would rather have someone die of overdose rather than respect the fucking law

I'd just rather not live in a place where we feel the need to cater to the least self-responsible in society.

why should I not be able to do something that won't hurt me just to stop some dumbshit claiming his darwin award

>>7256690
>why should I not be able to do something that won't hurt me just to stop some dumbshit claiming his darwin award
Because there's a certainty you would claim that Darwin award as well.
Not to mention that those boxes might as well have been outdated or unvalid medicine and you had absolutely no way to control that. Worse, you might make it more difficult to access the transgender issue by competent people because they would believe it's not important.

My mother used to work for the pharmaceutical industry. You have no idea how dangerous an unsupervised medicine is, and how easy it is to create. That pharmacy could have been a scam.

>>7256860
fair, that makes sense when you think that the quaity of the medicine isn't assured.

However, I'd still defend a persons right to make that judgement call themselves, especially when ou take into account both that

people have been lead to self medding due to the fact that the current system in place fails so badly in so many ways along with the fact that

self medding has been safe enough so far as to not cause any major incidents in the community (I know it cant be expected to certainly remain that way though, but with no acceptable alternative who's to blame people for taking the risk)

In any case, I think cracking down on these pharmacies without first solving the problems in the NHS hurts alot more than it helps

>>7256976
Well, I'm biased because I don't need any of those self-medications myself, but I'm ideologically opposed to therapeutical drug traffic. It undermines the regular system, and it could be used by vicious people to make billions of profit out of the illnesses of the most vulnerable.

>>7257017
yeah, I totally get the opposition.

I'd rather fix the problem by fixing the NHS (then my drugs would be safe AND subsidized) but thats not gonna happen anytime soon with this government

>>7252019
That's for AMERICA you dummy!

>>7251957
It's true for the UK.
The problem is more from the retailer's end than the consumer.
There's also a really strange law when it comes to anabolic steroids specifically. You can't buy roids online and have them shipped to you, what you can do, is go abroad, buy steroids (I can't remember the amount deemed by law to be accepted as for personal use, I'm sure there will be a limit), and bring it back across the border into the UK carrying it on your person.

>>7256690
Please, it works out well enough for femboys and they've got their lives in better order than you.

Why should you get to take away their body autonomy and force them into choosing between their bodies and personality?

>>7257223
I'm on your side you dip.

by the least responsible I was talking about the people who dont research random drugs they buy and OD. as in we shouldnt restrict the responsible just to save the lives of people who can't read

>>7256479
You don't have any clue how many transgirls are on /pol/ do you?

>>7245418
Can you name a few legit ones, though?

>>7256656
>overdosing on hormones
kill yourself subhuman retard baby statist

>>7256656
>a law is just by virtue of existing as law
whew lad!!!

>>7245418
they require prescriptions mostly..
you have to find specific ones that will look the other way. do you know of any that had bica as cheap as asset?

>the ever so progressive UK doesn't even have free market IC clinics
wtf

>>7259866
You could probably just write a fake prescription and order from a country that won't give a shit, like India.

>>7260120
liberals unironically think communism is progress

>>7260123
have you done this?

>>7260170
>liberal
>communist
ayy lmao

>???
>communist

>>7260194
>liberal
>communist

yes

perhaps leftist is a better label but they continue to claim to be liberals so that is what I will call them

classical liberalism is just modern conservatism

>>7260207
No cause there's fundyism crazy hicks and jihadis sure don't like concepts like negative rights

>>7260194
I've never tried it before but it might work lol

I would probably just order from somewhere that has less distribution restrictions. Just ask on some of the tor marketplaces for a supplier for it. I've seen some people do that and they managed to work out a deal with someone.

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>>7260207
well i guess that's all true when you get your knowledge from /pol/

>>7260540
with all that trouble it's probably going to cost you more than 9 pounds for a pack

>>7260618
I hate the boogie man so much too

>>7260540
>tor
I just want to be a qt 3.14 girl, not an 1337 anonymoose hax0r, tho

>>7260627
It would probably be cheaper. You'd just have to pack the pills yourself. Get someone from india to send you a few kilograms of it. Usually wholesale costs are like $20-30USD/kg

>>7261856
for that you can just use alibaba
nobody ever did it because of the hassle, risk, and the fact that asset showed up

>>7261998
No you can't use alibaba. Go ahead and try it. What are you going to do when they ask for your Establishment License papers?

>>7244115
I'm UK, WHERE CAN I GET CHEAP BICA NOW?? IMMEDIATE HELP NEEDED

>>7262212
HELLO UK I'M USA, SUCK MY DICK AND I TELL YOU

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>>7260207
>Amerifat education
No wonder you elected a con-man

>>7262212
BUMPING FOR ANON

>>7262212
idk about cheap but if you email qhi.co.uk asking if they have it you can sometimes get it even though it's not a listed product on their website.

>>7260170
>implying the UK is liberal
the reason the NHS has gone to shit in the last 6 years is because we have Conservative government

>>7264017
it's not cheap at all
it's like 180 euro for one pack of 50 mg tablets