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It will be hard & difficult if you are religious or follow the scriptures of your religion's text.

>>7213523
Trans and Muslim, checking in.

>>7213531
Being trans is actually permitted under Jaffari jurisprudence. Shafi and Hanafi have been making headway as well.

>>7213551
I am actually very glad to hear that. I know very little about islam and have never heard how the beliefs are towards lgbt people. Except I think that male/male sex is a sin just as in most Abrahamic religions?

I consider myself a christian, but I don't believe very strongly and don't go to church anymore. I don't see any reason religion and LGBT can't coexist, I believe in a loving God that wants to encourage us to be good people, why would He punish me for choosing to live as a woman or love who I want? People who follow the letter of their faith and not the spirit of it fail to understand the purpose of it.

>>7213565
>male/male sex is a sin just as in most Abrahamic religions?

Yeah... don't expect that to change anytime soon. I do stand up for gay rights any chance I get, though.

>>7213523
Bi CoS here.
:D

>>7213565
It's not gay sex specifically that is a sin in most religions, it's any sex that isn't for the purpose of procreation. (Which is dumb and outdated in the era of lessened rape and effective contraception but whatever) It's just that you're never going to be able to convince the entire world that one of the most pleasurable and desirable things you can do is a sin, so they go after minority groups like LGBT that can't fight back and look the other way for everybody else.

>>7213594
What does CoS stand for? The only things I can think of are Church of Scientology/Satan, and I wouldn't consider Scientology a religion and I don't know of anything in satanism that is anti-gay.

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Catholic and bi here.

It is my genuine belief that love transcends gender, and omnipotent God knows this and wouldn't punish anyone for that.

>>7213591
Male/Male sex is technically a violation of law in Judaism.
( It is the spilling of semen in a place other than a vagina )
Yet observance is different in different branches, so not all laws need to be followed for some people. Reform is a branch that has been exceptionally LGBT friendly for decades. queer jews are very welcome and accepted and celebrated.
So it depends where you are and your relationship with G-d.

>>7213613
Scientology is pretty much a religion

>>7213613
Church of Satan, and no it isn't particularly anti-gay. LaVey was straight himself, with a strong penchant for '30s style women the soft feminine 'kewpie-dolll' as he described them (In fact the exact type that most MTFs in the 80's and 90's tried to emulate) but as far as sex went he basically stated that as long as you're not fucking children, it's all good.

>>7213629
It's a cult designed to make money and control its members masquerading as a legitimate religion. It doesn't convert people by encouraging them that their world view is better for them or even forcing people to convert, it does it by manipulating them and getting them into a position where getting out would ruin their lives.

>>7213650
Interesting, I've never met a legitimate satanist. I don't think it really fits into the same category here since it's so focused on personal freedom unlike most big religions that dictate a morality system, though.

>>7213680
Well, Lavey himself took the position that Satanism was more a way of life than a religion, in his later years he was even against the idea of 'card carrying satanists' despite having preiviously 'ordained' ministers. But even as far back as the writing of his Satanic Bible, he flat out stated that it was 99% conforming to society's norms with 1% outrage.
btw, while I love the Satanic Bible and have enacted the rituals (Which he heavily ((and freely acknowledged having done)) borrowed from HPL for) many times over the years, I have to admit that its his non-'religious' writings such as 'Satan Speaks' that I re-read most.

Voodooist.
No, I'm not a witch doctor, and I can't make you a zombie.

>>7213680
Me again, Satanism DOES have a morality system though, it's mostly the same as the Judaeo-Christian one, but with more personal responsibility and less hypocrisy. Paraphrasing here: 'I worked as a Carnie, playing the organ at the strip-show, and every night we were playing, these good Christian men would be in that tent lavisciously ogling the female flesh on display, and then on Sunday morning those same men would be in church, repenting their sins in order to clean the slate so that they could have a clear conscience to sin again the next time.' 'Man IS an animal, and the beast needs to be excercised rather than exorcised,'

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>>7213680
>It's a cult designed to make money and control its members

that is literally the description of all religions tbqh

>>7213930
*tips fedora*

>>7213523
I grew up the Mormon church and I'm trans.

Needless to say I have some issues with the church, but I haven't renounced my membership yet.

It'll be a bummer if I end up leaving cause I really like a lot of the teaching about the characteristics of God and the afterlife.

>>7214423
>I really like a lot of the teaching about the characteristics of God and the afterlife
I know the feeling. It's easy to get so hung up on the negative parts of religion that you forget about all the good stuff, you know?

>>7213910
annnnnd what then keeps away destruction?

genuinely curious, I've NEVER understood the motive to satanists....do you enjoy destruction? whats the end goal?

I'd say to be honest, but I dont expect it.

btw, a word on sin : God doesn't WANT you to suffer, it simply will happen...ever heard how negative / good thoughts can effect stuff?..I think after death this effects the soul too. your soul is charged the wrong way, and like a magnet, it goes that way...

>>7213531
You can be religious without having to follow the scriptures to the letter. Faith is supposed to be a private thing. Do what you want with it and don't let others tell you what to do.

>>7214661
Idk what you mean by destruction, but from what I understand Satanism isn't like devil-worship or anything like that, it's sorta more like a social darwinism/Sith from Star Wars type thing, where you do what you want with the power you have.

Question, why is God allowing males to be born as a woman and vice Versa? It seems kind of counterproductive as humanity can't do anything about it until recently. Also why is sex such a heavy subject in most religions, not just on the topic of homosexuality?

I'd call myself reasonably religious, but I'm new-age pagan turkroach Tengrist shit so I'm not sure how much that counts.

>>7215812
In my opinion God has a hands-off policy. It's just another one of the trials we face.

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>>7215812
Because D-g is an anti-interventionist, just like Donald J. Trumpet.

>>7214137
>Can't take the truth
>Uses old fedora meme for counter
Kek

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>>7213523
Bisexual and neopagan here.

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I'm a Christian who struggles with gender dysphoria and sexual confusion. I'm not going to transition our act on those feelings because I don't believe a person who is truly putting Christ first would lead an lgbt lifestyle. I don't mean to condemn anyone, it's between you and God, but that's my opinion.
I recently started therapy, not like electroshock or anything, just normal, voluntary therapy to help me feel better about myself and function better. Everyone has their struggles. God never said it would be easy.

>>7217361
>implying G*d created a black and white world where EVERY male has to grow up male and EVERY female has to grow up female
Didn't Jesus himself say something about that "for there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb" and that "the one who can accept this should accept it”?

It would probably be okay for a Christian to transition as long as they follow the scripture and "live like an eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (that means celibacy for life).

>>7217435
You are right about the eunuchs, but the Bible also says that women who wear men's clothing and vise versa are an abomination. I have read trans people who argue that they aren't crossdressing because they really are the sex they identify as, but imo God makes us the sex he wants us to be. I can't think of anything in the Bible to support any other position.

I am Catholic.

>>7213523

I'm Catholic, bi, and trans.

>>7213551

To what extent is being trans permitted under those systems?

Is there a religion where the main deities are gay?

Seriously, how can you anyone even believe in a God? Kids get cancer, billions of people have died from Malaria, millions of Jews were roasted., AIDS, and on and on. Human life isn't sacred, and no God that would care and look out for anyone would allow such pointless murder. How can biblical scriptures coincide with scientific theories like evolution via natural selection? You can't selectively choose to believe in some things and not others without being ignorant. Religions have been killing fags for centuries. Sure maybe in some places you can get by being trans and Muslim but what about being gay? The bible doesn't even make sense, and it has very little modern relevance besides random proverbial shit and some history.
Being religious and LGBT is contradictory as fuck and therefore not logically tenable.

>>7217535
No, since this term was derived in 20th century to include modern homosexual practices and culture. Homosexual behaviour sometimes occurred amongst Greek deities, but it cannot be described as a “gay god”.

>>7213523
Peace be upon you, people.
I'm a Sunni Muslim and mistook as straight gay guy. I think I'm average looking guy, I guess. 1.83m, 64kg.

>Belief
-God is exist alongside Science where much of Science yet to be discovered
-Dedicated to fulfilling 5 pillars of Islam and 6 pillars of Emaan (faith)
-Heaven and Hell
-Angels and Satan
-This world and Other world(s)
-Desire and logic with guidance of Qur'an and Sunnah
-Everything has it's limit except God and what He wills it.
-ISIL is wrong in implementing it's idea. Not Islam.
-Religions are not wrong but people makes it wrong
-Disagree with "Love IS Love" and "Hate IS Hate"
-Disagree with "Be yourself" and "Be hypocrite"
-Every person has duty on himself and to others
-Disagree being selfish without reason

>Daily life
-Go to work
-Solah (Pray 5 times a day including sunnah)
-Work out
-Gardening
-Community service/help
-Reading
-Video games
-Socialising with everyone (improvise, follows the guide by Qur'an and Sunnah as well)
-Moderation is the key.
-Laugh at funny things
-Rarely angry or emotional

>Sexual life
-Not married and have no intention to but I'm okay with it (only this particular aspect of Islam that I can't fulfill because Prophet SAW encourage Muslim to marry*)
*where it fulfills certain term and condition by Sharia
-Strictly no to M/M
-Jerk myself off once in a while (I'm still human lol) but most of the time I have other things to keep me busy, also
-I won't tell people I'm gay unless they ask me first.

>Political view
-Support the lesser of two evils , Trump. (I'm not American by the way)
-I prefer the coexistence of sharia and natural law

tl;dr;

>>7217503
In Judaism, ones health mental and physical is ALWAYS is more important than following any law or fufilling any mitzvah.
Some Jewish authorities recognize that gender dysphoria is harmful to mental health so expressing ones gender identity in order to preserve mental health becomes more important than following than crossdressing law.
Other Jews will tell you that G-d made gender fluid-- ancient Israel had 6 recognized genders--
and dressing as ones gender identity does not defy the crossdressing law.
What would then defy it in this opinion would be transmen dressing in womens clothing and transwomen dressing in mens clothing.
Orthodox authorities however have said that trans women are still obligated to the teffilin ( a male obligation ) and every gender must heed to the modesty laws of their sex.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
KEEP YOUR FILTHY CISHET IDEOLOGIES TO YOURSELF YOU CISHET SCUM

>>7217503
>who wear men's clothing and vise versa are an abomination.
The Bible meant AGPs, crossdressers and fetishists by that, obviously. In other words, a heterosexual biological guy who puts a piece of feminine clothing on is an abomination in God's eye but not someone who is trans (or like Jesus said, "eunuch born from their mother's womb").

>>7217598
Don't reply or read, this thread, faggot AIDS.

>>7217591
Aren't Abraham and Sarah considered "saris" in one of those rabbinical commentaries since they were barren for their entire lives until G-d made it possible for them? I mean even the most ultra-Orthodox rabbi would probably agree that Adam was most likely an "androgynos" and that the humanity was originally "one" until as we are told G-d took a piece off this original human and made them into two.

By the way is "tum-tum" a gender too or just a state of gender uncertainty? I am curious about what the other 6 recognized genders are.

I am a Christian homosexual. I praise Catholicism for the healthy lifestyle it taught me, to care about my relatives, to be responsible before the others, my environment, our legacy. It taught me so much on fellowship, cooperation and fraternity. In this selfish age where we are treated as consumers, and almost brainwashed into thinking about ourself as consumers, Catholicism is… Disruptive. It is uplifting. It restores our dignity as a man, reminding us we fit into a scheme, that we aren't alone, a disconnected, independent atom. We are bound to the world, to the society. I value courage, dedication, labour, selflessness. Thanks to my education, I feel I can contribute to make this world a better world. It rehabilitates the human in his grandeur. Homosexuality isn't a sin, but a gift, for I treat my body as my soul, with utmost respect, and that making love is the culmination of my affection, the completion of a vivid, imperishable tenderness, and no lust has its place here.

>>7213565
I'm a Muslim, currently struggling to know what my sexuality is but I can confirm that Islam is about tolerance and acceptance. Don't give me any shit about the Middle East

>>7217655
I'm actually rather confused about what tum tum really is. I'd love to be able to learn what the people who made the concept were trying to discribe.
And yes. I think that Abraham and Sarah must have been intersex or something of the sort before G-d gave them functioning reproductive organs.
What excites me the most is Adamah, "Adam" before the creation of Eve, according to Talmudic scholars was actually one person neither male nor female. Then G-d split them in two "down the middle" and created male and female as 2 separate entitities.
The phrase "down the middle" has been translated and interpretted as from the middle and then eventually became interpretted as G-d taking a rib from Adam to make Eve since the rib is in the middle of the body.
This shows to me that since Adamah is made "In the image of G-d" that if G-d had a body, G-d would be discribed by human concepts as intersex.

>>7217763
IIRC the tum-tum were those people whose sex was hard to tell at first sight so basically someone androgynous? They were obliged to observe mitzvot for both women and men, naturally.
>intersex
I like this theory about Abraham and Sarah because it actually sounds probable.
>The phrase "down the middle" has been translated and interpretted as from the middle and then eventually became interpretted as G-d taking a rib from Adam to make Eve
Yeah, I don't know if it's the "babel curse" or whatever but this is what happens when you don't work with the original text and just rely on a stupid half-assed translation that gets translated over a million times and turned into something barely recognizable, just like when you put a snippet of text into Google translate, run it through multiple languages then translate it back. I mean even the Christian Bible is basically a translation of a translation of a translation so no wonder it's full of Engrish-like phrases and broken metaphors that barely make any sense.
>G-d would be discribed by human concepts as intersex.
I don't want to go full meme but that's the thing. You can't assume G-d's gender because G-d doesn't have one just like the original human (or adam) didn't have one (or had two-in-one but whatever).

>>7217929
>G-d's gender
I said "would be discribed." I probably should of said "could be discribed." Everything is very fluid with G-d in my interpretation of things. G-d is male. G-d is female. G-d is both. G-d is neither. He/She/They/Xe/It is all of these things seperately and together all at the same time. That is at least how I see it.

>>7217997
I see it the same tbqh famishpacha.
I mean this is basically the same Entity that doesn't want to be described in any way, definitely not directly. No wonder that golden calf prank/social experiment ended up a total disaster.

>>7217509
>To what extent is being trans permitted under those systems?
Under Shi'a laws, in countries like Iran, trans people are allowed to transition into the opposite gender, and can legally get married and have relations after they've had GRS.

I'm a Shi'a so I don't really know the specifics of Sunni laws, but Pakistan is a Sunni country which has had trans rights for decades. The consensus is that trans people should be allowed to transition, but not to marry; but recently some scholars have been pushing for marriage rights.

And on the more historical side of things, there's a hadith where Muhammad saves a trans gal from being beat up/killed by a mob. So that's nice, too.

>>7215632
So basically 0 accountability for morality.

In that case, is it acceptable under satanism to slaughter gays with a chainsaw, if I have the power to do it?

Because under Christianity, this is a massive sin.

>>7217997
>G-d
Does the word "God" trigger you or something?

>tfw want to be a pagan but most of them are neo-Nazis, retarded, or both

Osiris was trans

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I'm pansexual, trans, and Sikh. It's one of the few major religions where there isn't anything in the holy text on homosexuality, and the vast majority of Sikhs are very supportive of LGBT Sikhs

>>7217582
A gay Sunni from Europe who supports Trump?

God damn dude wtf

>>7213523
I am dating a catholic man. He honestly isn't super religious, dislikes churches since his mother dragged him to it every sunday (including a few months after he moved out). That said he does believe in everything his church teaches, including that we are probably going to hell. When I asked him why he'd date me if he thought he was hellbound he said "maybe I'm gambling with it but even if I'm wrong you're worth an eternity in hell". Obviously this is 10/10 romantic but it comes at a downside, 10 years into our relationship and still no ring. He never wants to talk about anything official "since we basically already are", and I am afraid this is because of the whole Catholic thing. LGBT can coexist with religion but it is a pretty strained relationship imo.

im transjew

>>7217582
>-Strictly no to M/M
You are fucking your hand because ancient tribal laws forbid you from the real deal? Come on man...

>>7220490

Jews can't write out names of God as I understand it, lest those writings be washed away or destroyed in some way.

>>7221080
That is clearly fake... or veeeeeeery mentally ill, shunned by others

>>7221969
Yeah. In respect of G-d, many Jews don't write out any of His names completely.
Especially in writing lest the place you wrote it on becomes tarnished or destroyed. The best time to use His name in speech is during prayer.
A respectful way to refer to Him in speech and writing without having to invoke one of his real names is by saying "Hashem." Which means "the name."
Baruch Hashem.

>>7221960
At very least I can respect that he knows being gay is way more risky...gay sex is high risk

>>7222043
You mean GOD?

I think jews do this because they don't want to summon his awareness....and I've never seen a jew pray to god, and most jews say "the big guy upstairs" or something, never god.

I'm a 20 yo bisexual transwoman and a First Degree Witch of Alexandrian Wicca and a Witch Priestess of Seax-Wica, although now most of my practise is solitary.
Also inb4
>hurr magic isn't reeal
You clearly haven't read a thing about Wicca or how it works if you're saying such things.

Also if I went to Saudi Arabia or some other Islamist hell, I wonder if the state would execute me firstly for sexual or religious reasons.

>>7222164
Boy, your just INFESTED with dark energies aren't you? I bet your not living a healthy life at all.

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>>7222164
Whatever powers you may turn to, there is only one power waiting at the end.

>>7222115
I just told you the reason Jews do this. Much of it comes from the "not taking His name in vain" commandment.

>>7213523
Trans and christian reporting as requested.

>>7217435
I'll probably just buck society's expectations and do the whole no sex before marriage thing.

>>7222164
>20 year old Wiccan kid
>looking down on monotheistic religions

I remember when I was just like you. Merry meet, dear friend.

>>7217606
>The Bible meant AGPs, crossdressers and fetishists by that,
tl;dr my trans is ok, yours isn't, you fucking fetishist

real sick of the anti-agp shit on this board.

>>7213625
What if two gays fuck and there's a woman in the room, and when they're about to jizz they do it in her pussy? Did I find the loophole?

>>7213523
MtF here. I think I can categorize myself as Lutheran or Episcopalian and not run into any conflicts of belief.

On one hand you're religious little shits which makes me want to REEEEE at you until you leave.
On the other hand your religions are filled with hatred and contempt for human life, and there can never be enough of that on this board.

Decisions...

>>7231921
Judaism is full of love and love for the world and people and G-d. I don't hate anyone in the name of my religion.

>>7231953
>Judaism is full of love and love for the world
>kills lgbt people with the sword

>>7231921
>a board filled with the mentally ill
>not religious

Keep being inclusive, I'm sure it'll work out for you in the next election.

>>7213910
>less hypocrisy
Like claiming one of your main rules to be not to hurt animals and then beat your dog on a regular basis, or starve a lion and insist that "he's totally fine you guys"?

>>7217731
>twisting words so your lifestyle fits into it

>>7213523
Are you an Orthodox Jew or a """Jew"""?

>>7231953
MTF
Judaism is fascinating. I like some of the concepts of Taoism as well. But Jewish culture is so interesting. I've been fascinated by it. I've read Leo Rosten's The Joys Of Yiddish so many times the cover is curling. Holy shit how would Orthodox Jews get anything done there are so many rituals they do all day!
I might get the chance to change both genders and religions in one lifetime! Because if I can get up the energy I need to learn Hebrew. My dad is a John Hagee Ancient Aliens conspiracy nut who is super Bible-believeing. Needless to say I don't get on with him well. He believes the Done of the Rock is the doorway to the Abyss. The center of the universe. If I can I want to learn at least conversational Hebrew so I can take him there so he can see it for himself. And while he likes to say he is so spiritual he won't go because it's dangerous. So if I can read it too I'm basically there.

>>7234411
Personally the most Jewish reason to want to be a Jew. So my dad can see the land of his Adoshem.

>>7234411
It is so great you're interested in Judaism!!!! :D There is so much to love.

>>7232933
I'm not orthodox. I don't and wouldn't attend any temples with negative feelings towards lgbt people. Good thing many many Rabbis are some of the kindest and empathetic people you'll ever meet.
Reform Judaism celebrates lgbt people. No condemning at all. Not even the "love the sinner hate the sin" bullcrap.

Reminder that Orthodox Jews literally believe that the almighty creator of everything demanded a man should be stoned for death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week.
If it was once that important to him, why doesn't God even still show his existence to us, never mind continue to enforce this law?
And how could God be good, if he demands a painful death for gathering sticks?

>>7235779
*Tips fedora*

>inb4 "not an argument"
Your argument is just as stupid as this one. Stop asking loaded questions and maybe you'll get a good answer

I grew up as a Jehovah's Witnesses, but am now a gay trans Wiccan.
I'm entirety solitary in my practice. I've never once met another Wiccan and honestly I don't really plan to much. I just do what I do.

>>7213523

I'm trans lesbian and I believe in a God and the soul and these things but I don't think I fit into any religion, is there a name for this?

Low key I have what I feel a religious affinity with Durkheim's concepts of society as god

>>7235619
There is a movement in some Modern Orthodox shuls to embrace gay Jews, I know of several Rabbis who speak openly about it.

>>7235895
you must be creepy, and drowning in bad energy.

>>7215812
>Question, why is God allowing males to be born as a woman and vice Versa? It seems kind of counterproductive as humanity can't do anything about it until recently.

You could say the same thing about any of the innumerable curses that have plagued mankind.

>Also why is sex such a heavy subject in most religions, not just on the topic of homosexuality?

Because it ties into reproduction, a literally crucial element of life and, early in the formation of Judaism and other Near Eastern religions, the rough prototype of immortality.

>>7235941
I'm not orthodox but I'm rather interested in orthodox spirituality and lifestyle. I strongly believe in the freedom of choice and not being afraid to disobey the laws. Such is the beauty of the conservative and reform movements of judaism.

>>7235837
What's with the whole "hurr not an argument" meme anyways?

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>>7213523

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>>7235982
Something interesting here. A Jewish prayer for that which is strange. I love it.

>>7235961
well >*tips le fedora* isn't really much of an argument now is it, yet christians and jews always use it when they're losing an debate, and they think by using it that they somehow automatically win.

>>7235999
People and animals in particular.

>>7236003
foudn the fat neckbeard who tips his fedora LUL

praise the Lord

>>7231724
Because we realize that fucking women is a lot more productive than trying to be them. The difference is, we don't have a choice. You do.

How do LGBT Christians, Muslims and Jews reconcile their identity with the fact that they believe in a God whose book explicitly states they are sinful or should be killed?

I mean when other religions appear homophobic, it's usually cultural attitudes to blame rather than any writings attributed to the almighty which are to blame.

>>7237611
Almost all religions are homophobic, the Dalai Lama says homosexuality is sexual misconduct, Odinists used to drown gays in bogs, etc. It's not just an Abrahamic thing.

>>7234411
I'd love to visit the Dome of the Rock. Think I could come with? :D

>>7213551
>>7214619
>>7220365

First time on this board. I'm a homoflexible Muslim woman and I'm glad your posts are the first things I saw here.

>>7217591
That'll be why ya'll stoned a fucking dog to death just a couple of months back, yeah?

>>7214661
What the fuck are you babbling on about?
Have I asked you if you like burning people at the stake?
What are you going to ask next, whether or not I eat babies?

>>7220458
No, it isn't,why would you assume this? Also, under Christian rule at various times, in varoius countries, murdering gays has not just been allowed but actively encouraged.

>>7213531
The bible has had SO many revisions though. it's a man-made text that people have revised countless times in order to sway the beliefs of followers to better suit their own thinking.

gay christian here

We all know that we definitely do not have any control over what our sexuality is and I, personally, have always thought that if God never intended for me to be gay because it is a sin then I wouldn't be gay in the first place. I always took solace in this idea until recently something got me thinking.

I don't know how I stumbled upon it, I get lost in the world of youtube videos late at night, but I was watching one of those videos about homosexuality and religion. The guy (pastor?) said that we are all born in sin from day one and it is up to us to accept Jesus as our lord and savior to be ultimately cleansed and absolved of that "original sin". So in this regard, what if my homosexuality is my original sin? I have accepted Jesus as my lord and savior, I've been baptized and all that stuff, but I'm still gay . .

Idk, it just terrifies me to think that maybe I was just condemned from the start; that maybe I had no chance at salvation because I was born gay. But then again God said he'd never forsake us. It's so fucking confusing and it just really sucks not truly knowing how I should feel about it.

>>7240825
Okay, but if you don't believe the parts about sexual morality, why would you believe the parts about a man coming back from the dead 2000 years ago?

>>7240976
Because everybody loves zombies?