/agpg/ - AGP General

>be me
>2013
>totally straight
>normal fetishes
>2016
>bisexual
>haven't fucked a girl in over a year
>might just be gay now
>now i'm starting to develop some kind of AGP thing without the body dysmorphia

help /lgbt/
i'm too tall and masculine to be a trap and i don't want to be a tranny

>>7209757
well if you're not dysphoric, you should be ok right?

although the nature of agp sometimes causes non-dysphorics to become dysphoric...

>>7209770
I don't know anymore. I'm really quite comfortable in my own body all of the time- it's just that I get off on AGP for some reason.

>>7209792
well I would hesitate to recommend you do anything about it given
>I'm really quite comfortable in my own body all of the time

if you had a button that would make you a girl forever, would you push it?

>>7209797
well yeah I probably would
but that button doesn't exist

Uh... What the hell happened to the other thread?

>>7209804
right, but it's a thought experiment.
it's somewhat concerning that you would push it, given that a lot of people start out ok with everything and then sometime end up not ok

how old are you?

>>7209808
Seconding this!

>>7209808
It died some time yesterday.

>>7209819
We already made another thread.. I posted in it a few minutes ago!

>>7209811
>concerning
nah not really
if i was a 100% authentic female I could get all the straight guys
just that logic alone desu
plus it's not like i have a big dick or anything, i do have body issues in that sense

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>>7209819
Woah woah don't give me that 1984 shit, I literally just saw the thread up an hour or two ago.

>>7209821
I haven't seen any since I checked a few days ago

>>7209824
this is agp gen, not aap gen

>>7209824
THE MAN IS KEEPING US DOWN THE ENEMY HAS THE KEYS PANIC WHAT DID THEY WANT TO HIDE FROM US???

>>7209822
This.
If I had a button I'd press it immediately, regardless of whether I'd turn out attractive or not.
I mean, I used to obsess over questions like this ad nauseum as a kid but ultimately nothing changes and i'll never wake up as a female so it's just not worth thinking about.
It's really not that strange honestly.

>>7209830
Fucking really? Did you arrange for that thread to be deleted because A*P triggered you?

>>7209830
So how did the other thread get deleted? Does our resident autist have moderator powers or something?

>>7209836
>>7209836
Well ok, that's fine. I'm not saying you have to be trans or anything. It's just that a lot of people go from "yeah I'd totally push a button to be a girl, but I can't so whatever." to "holy fuck I'm going to kill myself if I can't be a girl"

>>7209840
Do you have another explanation?

>>7209830
you're autistic as fuck
there is absolutely no reason to ghettoize aap

also now i don't know if sex drive anon saw my recommendation on how to kill his

>>7209837
>>7209840
AGP gen has been around for a long time. It's a lot more autistic to invade and spam it to discuss something else when you can simply make a new thread to discuss other topics.

>>7209855
I've been around since the first few editions of the thread. Nobody is 'invading' your AGP safe space.

>>7209855
except agp and aap are the exact same topic fundamentally
also, aap edition was still primarily about agp
by getting aap edition deleted, you're actually creating a discussion about aap

>>7209846
Well I'm 20 right now so I hope it doesn't progress like that.
My biggest problem though is that I just don't know how to distinguish between dysphoria, vanity, agp, OCD and mere fetish.

>>7209846
I don't think that'd happen to me to be honest. I've been through some shit in my life to where I know what real pain and suffering are like, and I'm never going to be that low again, so I'll never kill myself. And like I said, I really don't have any body dysmorphia. I just think about all the hot straight guys who are totally unavailable to me.

>>7209861
>>7209859
I had no desire to get AAPgen deleted and welcome its return as a counterpart. Gaygen and lesgen both exist in harmony

>>7209855
Fuck you. We didn't "invade". We're the regulars who want to make it more inclusive. If you're intent on making sure the AAP is not discussed in what is apparently your personal thread then at least promise not to delete any unified thread we open and migrate to.

>>7209864
I see. How much secondary male development have you had?

>>7209866
So it's entirely about expanding your dating pool of men?

>>7209872
We want to make a unified thread rather than segregate by sex like we're 12.

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>>7209872
except a*p is not differentiated in the same way male and female homosexuality is
agpg is never going to be split -- not into agpg and theorygen, not into agpg and aapg, not into anything -- because there wouldn't be enough activity to justify the split
hell, sometimes agpg takes several days to be recreated after dying as is

>>7209886
actually there is, given that threads used to last a week or two before the return of lasermind, at which point they mainly ceased to discuss agp

>>7209886
Not modgod but there's a solution for this: just make a renamed unified general and abandon this one.

>>7209883
Outside of fetish fuel that's the only time I ever even think about it. When you put it like that you make me sound like a douchebag though.

>>7209896
we'd do that if the agp autist wasn't going to kill herself over it and try force a split regardless

>>7209872
And here we have an interesting anecdotal example to backup my poll data coorelating AGP and autism.

>>7209892
As far as I am aware, people here don't hate me like they did Lasermind. I actually try to give back to thread by doing research and trying to give my own anecdotes about transitioning with AGP. What have you done?

>>7209896
I second this.

>>7209903
>>7209905
This isn't me.

>>7209899
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's not a value judgment.

>Forcing people to pick up trips in order to avoid being impersonated
nice

>>7209913
Then we can filter them. It's a pretty common tactic

>>7209910
Haha sure pal. I can prove it is me. Check the first question on the survey and note that it is changed to "the guy who is trying to be my imposter is an autistic retard".

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdc90O0pJB2CITbgh3EEdXidbTUwk_kcGzkCykV7Im5l-Bayw/viewform

>>7209915
Why would I want to filter one of the nicest people in the thread?

>>7209923
Because namefags and tripfags are cancer and destroy everything they touch. Notice how everything is shit now just as it was the last time we got invaded by namefags?

>>7209925
>>7209925
>>7209925

>>7209926
Everything is shit because of a mod going on a power trip. I have zero problem with trips in a thread like this where long-term identities are relevant.

They are never relevant.

>>7209942
>It is better to post your life's story again and again and again every time you ask something about it, wasting the time of everyone who knows it already
Fuck blindly following dogma.

>>7209950
nobody cares about you, your life story, or anything like that you narcissistic freak

>>7209953
In a thread where people constantly share them in order to get advice? Uh huh.

>>7209925
>>7209925
>>7209925
sage

please stop spamming your thread in /agpg/, thanks

>>7209966
>>7209933

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Here'sa good one. Let's see if you can shed some light, because I'm very confused and it's starting to distress me.

WTF is wrong with Blanchard's typology?

Whatever way I look at it, I don't fucking fit in it.

-I'm not AGP (I respect AGP people, I'm just not one of them).

-I'm bisexual since the beggining of time (My first sexual experiencies were with boys, indeed), and I'm talking about real bisexuality, an exact 3 in the kinsey scale. Now it has changed to a 4-5 in the kinsey scale, but I'm definitely bisex and that's not gonna change.

-I'm starting my transition at 32. If I could I'd transition within the 20-25 range, but family issues and shitty south european economy delayed things.

Question: WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIT?!?!

I've got the feeling that I don't belong to either group. I can fit well with "homosexual transsexuals" as Blanchard insultingly named them, I fit well with their personalities, conversation topics, love for men, etc... but I'm just not one of them. My narrative was pretty different to theirs.

I'm confus!!!!

>>7210002
>WTF is wrong with Blanchard's typology
It lacks any sort of proof and is almost completely useless. Don't pay any heed to it.

>>7210002
>>7210012

Here's my narrative, just in case somebody can help...

>>Childhood:

-Just a normal boy, liked to play both with boys toys and girls toys, they were just toys to me. Good student, bookworm, a bit introverted because of the bullying I received for having a chronic sickness that stumped my develompent.

-Considered myself a boy because they told me I was so, so, since I was a good child I didn't question a shit.

>>Teens:

-Started thinking "it would be cool to be a girl" at age 10. But the thoughts were not as strong as other girls. Indeed, they were pretty "intermittent", they came and went, were not really common, and were not strong enough to make me desperate to transition before I was 19.

-I became aware of my dysporia with 19. Before that, I was a bit feminine looking and liked looking androgynous, but was not conscious that I wanted to be a woman. It was just me. Indeed, I just thought I was "just another guy, maybe a bit strange, but another guy".

-Development misteriously stopped at 16. Nobody gave a shit, ever. Left with a child face and 5'5''(164cms). People thinks I'm much younger than I really am.

>>Twenties:

-Full blown dysphoria. Wanted to be a girl and was conscious of it. It was not for any sexual reason. I just thought that it was what I wanted with my life, and that I'd fit well in a women's role.

-Since, for personal reasons it was impossible for me to transition, I repressed myself and convinced myself that I was "just a guy with a cool dream, but a guy anyways".

-at this age people started to see me as a very feminine boy. I was some kind of "flamboyant gay" with some drops of androginy.

-Quickly realized I don't fit with masculine behavior.

-Had sex, both with men and women, enjoyed both.

-Fought with dysphoria in many ways. Managed to "not to think much about it". Tried to fit in the men's world. Failed miserably. I hated having a man's life.

>>7210043
Samefag here. What help are you looking for, exactly? Blanchard's work has been rejected by the medical community, WPATH etc. It is discredited.

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>>7210002
>>7210012
>>7210043


>>Early 30's:

-Depression sets in: "I'm 30, I wont be able to pass, maybe in the future I could isolate myself in a virtual reality and forget that the real world exists".

-Finally explode, fuck it up, I'm gonna transition no matter what it takes, it's now or never.

-For the first time on my life I try wig and make up. Discover that I'm very passable. Even cute.

Never, ever felt AGP. I can think of myself of being a sexy woman and be happy and proud of it, but I don't see it sexually exciting.
>>Question: WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIT?!?! WHAT THE FUCK AM I??

According to Blanchard, if you're bi, you're not "homosexual transexual", you're just an AGP. And I'm not!

I'm confus!!!

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>>7210058

I want to know where the fuck do I fit in the trans community. I've been feeling like an "in between", but I'd like a 3rd party's opinion. Specially from an AGP woman, I want to know what do you girls think of my case.

Just that simple. I want your opinion on my case.

I posted in the pruned thread asking for advice on clothes (not got much experience with crossdressing)

someone asked for my measurements and i posted them

waist-25 inches
height-5'8
hips-32 (but crazy thin/ bony)
shoulders-38 inches allthe way around, 17 end to end (not sure how youre supposed to measure shoulders sorry)

was wondering if there's general types of clothing that cd's should go for (or avoid) cause of guys general bodyshape (and how my measurements stack up to the average person)

also I was thinking about getting some breastforms, anyone had experience with them? I was gonna get B's cause apparently thats average and I don't want to overindulge or anything, also I was a bit worried anything bigger would look odd on my frame

>>7210080
I feel like this is a pretty useless answer but you just sound trans? No one uses the old typology anymore. It's just pushed as a meme in legbutt.

>>7209925

>>7210110
advice for you is on >>7209925

>>7210060
what exactly are you trying to accomplish in an AGP support thread if you're not AGP?

>>7210110
this might get a better response in tgg or something.

flared skirts are your friend
boat necks are not your friend

>>7210110
(and what i actually meant by "flared skirts" was "fit-and-flare" dresses, although flared skirts might also be a thing)

>>7210002
>WTF is wrong with Blanchard's typology?
It was created in different times mostly, different attitudes towards LGBT stuff, no internet, also based on his experiences with americans which I think don't apply nearly as much to other cultures (for example if you lived in a culture where it was normal for gay men to marry women you'd likely follow that path despite being HSTS)

Also he's an idiot that can't into science

Don't think about it too much really

>>7210110
>not sure how youre supposed to measure shoulders sorry
They're kinda hard to measure alone either way

Maybe post a pic

>and how my measurements stack up to the average person
Your waist is pretty thin by white female standards if I'm converting correctly
But I have trouble picturing you in general

>was wondering if there's general types of clothing that cd's should go for (or avoid) cause of guys general bodyshape
Depends, guys have different bodyshapes just like girls
Things that obscure your hips like lolita in general usually look good on anyone that tries to look feminine

You might ask in mtfg or something, I don't think they'll chase you out just for asking advice on passing

>>7210110
>shoulders-38 inches allthe way around, 17 end to end (not sure how youre supposed to measure shoulders sorry)
That's right
Both measurements are best to get the whole picture, although it's kind of difficult. For should width, you could always take a photo of yourself with a ruler on the same plane as your shoulders, and then measure in GIMP or something

>>7210217
What is up with you trying to push another thread?

>>7210400
agpg is obsolete and being phased out
>>7209925 is the new thread
posts from this thread are being responded to in >>7209925
the regulars from agpg have moved to a*pg

>>7210422
Not that person and I'm with you but you shouldn't start holy wars.

>>7210422
You sound pretty autistic fampai.
Why does this matter so much to you? It's only a name.

>>7210400
literal autism

>>7209876
>We're the regulars who want to make it more inclusive.
AAPs are welcome to discuss being AAP in AGP gen.

>>7210513
Not only a name. The mod deleted the last thread for allowing AAP talk then remade the new thread themselves without mentioning AAP.

>>7210535
Except that they literally aren't. The mod deleted the last thread for that. See:

>>7209808
>>7209819
>>7209824
>>7209830

why did you have to fuck up everything
why cant we have nice things even here in our a tiny niche

>>7210555
I would guess that was for trying to hijack the thread name for "inclusiveness".

>>7210555
people occassonally talked about aap and it was never a big deal until the one who keeps pushing his retarded typology came around

>>7210576
>until the one who keeps pushing his retarded typology came around
Explain? What was the typology?

>>7210570
Well, if you're not AGP you're not exactly likely to enter a thread called /agpg/ and find out you're welcome. Changing the name helps new people find it.

>>7210576
>One AAP acting badly means we should exclude them
cislesgen logic

>>7210602
They seemed to manage to find us before. You found /agpg/ despite it being on /lgbt/ didn't you? I think this is just political "make the minorities feel welcome" crap, not any practical concern.

>>7210620
It is about making the thread easier to find and so allowing more people to find it.

Does hating female pornstars cause they are wasting the beautiful body I wish I had make me AGP or not?

>>7210630
>take the word everybody knows to search for out of the subject
>this makes the thread easier to find
>not harder
Yeah, this is diversity bullshit, for sure. Guessing you're AAP since chicks are usually the ones into that pandering?

I'm pretty sure some threads ago a person who wanted to be done with "AGP" in the name was told by majority not to.

And dismissing G in favor of Auto*whatever*philia is plain wrong, Nothing against AAP but don't pile it together, its not the same. when there is radically different attitude and social stigma towards boys who dont fit gender norms. Resulting in very different experiences and far more social and psychological problems.

>>7210651
...except the vast majority of agps, as men, fit gender norms
to the point that very few early transitioners freely associate with agps because a lot of the trans community is agp previously-gender-conforming late transitioners appropriating the struggles of everyone else (c.f. 'transgender day of remembrance')

>>7210601
The thread might still be up, search the catalog

>>7210602
For every AAP post I see, I see 100 "your not trans ur just and AGP fetishist!!" post. Hell, I even post in cislesgen, and nobody knows or cares because I don't make a big deal about being a tranny and whine about them "excluding" me.

>>7210658
Those "real" MTFs can fuck off with their oversensitive exclusionary trans politics. They are no different from radfems excluding MTFs, but even worse since they're excluding people with their own issues.

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>crossdressing at 13
>not masturbating but looking back the act of crossdressing seemed sort of inherently sexual at that time
>start reading tg fiction at 16
>start masturbating at 17
>never get off to anything but the idea of me as a woman
>have two year relationship with girl starting at 18
>cant get off to just the sex alone
>need to think of myself as a woman during sex to get off
>end up failing performing towards the end of the relationship
>tiny bits of dysphoria throughout all of this but not enough to convince me I need to transition until the age of 20 where I start hrt
>24 now and still on hrt
>identify as male I guess?
>prefer they them but dont mine he his
>dating a man now
>he helps me get through my dysphoric moments that I still occasionally experience
I'm agp right?

>>7210673
kek
it's always hilarious when you see some of them get so triggered at the very mention of agp that they go on a massive tirade. i bet they're the most agp of us all

>>7210636
uhh
maybe? kinda sounds doubtful though because wouldn't a TruAGP think using a female body for tons of sex be a very good way to use it?

>>7210651
reminds me of the whole r.eddit debacle, where that one admin (felix or something?) deleted the entire subreddit because agp was too offensive, in order to recreate the exact same thing except called "crossdreaming"

>>7210673
they don't exclude agps because they're biased against them, most don't even know what agp is
they exclude themselves FROM agps because they don't relate to them, and because some bad apple agps (and aaps, as i've experienced) can be sexually manipulative towards younger trans people

>>7210540
And now you're pissing off the mod by having two threads with identical content. That surely won't backfire in any way.

>>7210688
yeah complete agp
i wish i had found out about hormones and really understood shit at 20 ;___;

>>7210694
please, i hope they leave it this way. then we can talk in peace while all of them adopt trips and become mtfg agp-style. then we can be tgg and be chill

>>7210658
cause we are forced to! from the young age by parents, by peers, by society in general, by homophobia is it so hard to understand?

>>7210688
>>identify as male I guess?
>>prefer they them but dont mine he his
>>dating a man now
That's pretty amazing for someone on HRT. Good for you ignoring the stigma against either going full tranny or just considering yourself cis. Why do you identify as male though?

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>>7210700
yeah I guess I was lucky there.
but what's luck when you we have agp? ;_;
this is hell... I want to be normal...

>>7210710
luck is starting early so you can actually be fulfilled sexually

>>7210706
then why do non-agp trans girls who grow up in incredibly conservative social contexts not do that? and why are aaps, who have a lot less pressure on them, so much more feminine than non-aap trans men?

>>7210707
I tried socially transitioning for a bit but I couldn't do it. I can't see myself as female. The dysphoria almost went away completely but it was just replaced by anxieties and they seemed much worse. Identifying as male seems right, but sometimes it leads to really dysphoric situations...
So being a feminine male is like a comfy in between for me? :/

>>7210713
Even then, it won't be the same as it is for a cis girl.

>>7210719
What are the dysphoric situations?

I've made the same decision, just be a feminine male, but without transition, even just HRT, because it scares me.

>>7210715
1. who says they don't?
2. options assuming they don't:
>agps are the less dysphoric trans people and are able to repress easier in all ways
>agps are the more masculine trans people and are able to repress easier in all ways by nature of being closer to their male role
>the same trait that causes someone to end up agp causes him to be able to suppress feminine tendencies
something is obviously fucked up in the brains of trans and agp people, why must it always be fucked up in the same way and in the same areas? insufficient masculinization of the brain could happen in so many different ways to so many different parts of the brain

>>7210722
recently
socially: whenever someone treats the relationship I have with my bf as very homosexual and sees us as two providers.
his family treats me "like a girl" basically and that's the ideal.
ex: I hung out with his aunt in her house while my bf and his uncle worked on the car in the garage.

physically: bf never really touches my penis and that's really cool. him touching me there would spark some serious dysphoria sometimes and it's better not to chance it.

not really all that much but when it happens it really sucks. usually experience a huge wave of it once a week average.

>>7210735
>something is obviously fucked up in the brains of trans and agp people
This is assuming that trans and AGP are both actual diagnosable things. They aren't. It's all just personality traits and there's no distinct lines between trans, AGP, crossdressing, homosexuality and anything else. -philia and -sexual only make personality traits like who you're attracted to seem scientific and black and white.

>>7210722
Yeah not the same i guess, but luck for a person with no legs would be sprouting a single leg

>>7210741
>socially: whenever someone treats the relationship I have with my bf as very homosexual and sees us as two providers.
What does this happen?

>ex: I hung out with his aunt in her house while my bf and his uncle worked on the car in the garage.
So nice!

>>7210715
Because AGP does not equal trans duh, its like you are first time here.

>>7210694
The content is not identical since the mod made it clear AAPs are not welcome here

>>7210752
Name one difference.

>>7210763
no she made it clear you weren't welcome to hijack and take over the thread. you're welcome as normal posters.

>>7210773
Is it their fucking thread? Since when can 4chan mods dictate what belongs in a thread, beyond the thread staying on topic? Instead of deleting it they should've opened their own thread.

>>7210781
>Since when can 4chan mods dictate what belongs in a thread, beyond the thread staying on topic?
lol, how new and/or retarded are you?

>>7210741
So you even have genital dysphoria but dont feel yourself female to socially transition?

And if you dont mind telling, how did you find bf and were you still in boy-mode then?
I could only dream of it... sigh

>>7210789
I've been here since 2006 dimwit. Anywhere but /b/ mods intervening to do anything but keep threads on topic/on board is frowned upon.

>>7210769
>>7163958

>>7210792
>Anywhere but /b/ mods intervening to do anything but keep threads on topic/on board is frowned upon.
honestly it doesn't sound like you've been on 4chan SINCE 2006.

>>7210825
BRO
i've been on 4chan since 2001
you don't even know

>>7210840
>>7210825
>>7210792
calm down, kids! I meemed on fidonet before you were born

>>7210840
you seem to have missed quite a lot of 4chan's changes, captain oldfag.

>>7210110

Kind of jelly of that waist measurement, desu.

>>7210260

Isn't Blanchard a Canadian? But I do agree with your example.

>>7210636

It probably means you're trans and that you're embittered and envious.

>>7210872
>>7210889
shut up you dumb youngfags. it's me, moot. i've been here since the beginning of 4chan

it's time to come out. i'm hardcore AGP and i sold 4chan in order to transition in peace. please don't screencap this

>>7210896
>it's time to come out. i'm hardcore AGP
would never have guessed, what with wearing a skirt and wanting to be a little girl.

fuck off sellout, you were the worst thing about 4chan.

>>7210816
I like that one
I know one MtF that would be normally classified as classic TS/regular HSTS due to being exclusively straight and living a gay guy before transition, but fits mostly AGP stereotypes (late transition, poorly passing, STEM, mutual friends claim she looked like a regular beta male before transition) plus some weird traits that don't belong in either group (comes off more as an effeminate gay man rather than a girl after transition, sexuality closely resembles a gay guy, don't think she ever actually repressed either rather than just delaying her transition, seems like she's only more effeminate now because she's less reserved or something)
She still wouldn't really fit anywhere 100% but OP's HSTS would be a better descriptor than AGP

Cucks

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>can't stop thinking about sucking a dick and how much i want a dick in my mouth


make it stop

>>7212020
>tfw want a dick in my phantom vag

>>7212020
you're probably just gay desu

>sex drive too low to indulge AGP
>dysphoria too high to stop hormones
t-thanks

>>7215884
>she fell for HRT meme
But jokes aside, do you feel better or worse overall now? dont you feel good about feminizing effects and killing your AGP?

Im personally hesitant about mones when Im not trans and not going to transition, I wan feminization so badly but if I lose libido it wont be worth it.
>staying home alone all Sunday just so I could wear casual womens clothes
>not even horny
>gives a mixed feeling of elation with a bit of sadness that I cant be a girl whenever I want in public

>>7216207
>she
don't encourage me ;__;

i'm worse overall now, but my guess is that i would have been even worse if i hadn't started in the first place, as i am now suicidal over having started as late as i did

>gives a mixed feeling of elation with a bit of sadness that I cant be a girl whenever I want in public
what did she mean by this?

>I wan feminization so badly but if I lose libido it wont be worth it.
>>staying home alone all Sunday just so I could wear casual womens clothes
>>not even horny
i'm gonna be honest and say you sound like you might cave at some point.

and i guess i'm not being entirely accurate. i can still masturbate if i make a point of it, but whereas before it would be "i can't remember the last day i didn't masturbate," now it's "i can't remember the last day i masturbated." 2bhon it's kind of hot if i can get it so that my dick doesn't really get hard when i do it.

and if you want to, the first couple months of hormones were the most erotic ever. like hooolly shit. but then again right before i started i was masturbating to the idea of taking hormones too so idk. i'm kinda weird

>>7210896

Joke or not I foresaw this

>tfw your psychic faculties still in order

t. resident /x/phile

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>>7216575
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>>7216489
>i can't remember the last day i didn't masturbate,
Ew. Masturbation isn't pleasant at all to me. I only do it once a week or so because my brain/dick starts annoying me.

>>7216489
>that I cant be a girl whenever I want in public
>what did she mean by this?
Sorry I worded it poorly, its more that I want to be feminine and freely express it and most of all I want to be accepted for who I am, instead of having to hide it. Only recently I realized how much stress and anxiety it caused me pretending to be manly and suppressing my fem side.

>the first couple months of hormones were the most erotic ever. like hooolly shit
Omg stop, reading that made me way too excited, this is not right
In just a year I went from
>testosterone is great! messing with hormones if you are not trans is for idiots, enjoy your gyno and limp dick
to
>I want cute cheeks and wide hips I'm going to buy mones... I can always stop if I dont like it r-right
all because of a fetish and being a failed man, how silly. But worst of all is I am too old for even partial transition.

>>7216489
>i'm worse overall now, but my guess is that i would have been even worse if i hadn't started in the first place, as i am now suicidal over having started as late as i did
Could this be cause of side effects of AAs increasing depression? Make sure you take vitamins especially if on cypro, you absolutely need B12 supplements.
Thank you for sharing your experience.

>>7216617
and what is who you are? feminine?

>all because of a fetish and being a failed man, how silly. But worst of all is I am too old for even partial transition.
i have a feeling you are even younger than i am. and there was a time i was considering getting on steroids because i believed my issues were not being properly manly enough. i would have too if they were easy enough to get, so maybe the fact that i am on hormones now is simply a manifestation of mental instability

>Could this be cause of side effects of AAs increasing depression?
it could be, but i don't think it is. it feels pretty clear that most of it is induced by dysphoria. i am also on bicalutamide which is known for causing less depression.

I need 40cc of perineum rubbies, Stat!

>>7216649
>and what is who you are?
That's a good question and hard to answer. Been living all my life as male having used to it, but hating physical masculinization from the very young age and rejecting social 'manliness' - partly cause it's dehumanizing manipulative bullshit, partly since I feel like I'm closer to female emotionally and could relate to women and struggled to be a manly man.
. I'd say being androgynous would be ideal. But having AGP sexuality makes it much more complicated and confusing, you know how it works.
Im embarrassed to say how old I am, the irony is that I kept twink body and female clothes look alright on me, but the face is JUST. I might look 10 years younger than my age but unquestionably male.

I've been trying to get into sports and working out but didn't really enjoy bulking up (though it felt good to achieve something and getting stronger) or the danger of extreme sports - like if I needed any thrills with already high anxiety. Best part about sports is that I could justify shaving my legs.

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Who else browsed this website when they were 12 and got super sad and envious?

>>7219333

Not me. I tried to access 4chan at some point in middle school to see what the "internet hate machine" was really like. But then my Norton Internet Security told me the website was filled with malware. Since my parents had paid to have the computer fixed multiple times before, I didn't want to stupidly waste their money again. So I never tried to come back until I was 18.

But what made you envious?

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Where my bimbois at? Anyone else here want a sex doll body but also want to keep their own genitals and identify as male?

>Never ending cycle of going between telling myself agp is just a weird fetish I have and then thinking I'm full blown tranny and want to transition at some point
>When I'm thinking the latter can never see myself actually having the courage to do it because of being to scared of alienating family among other reasons

Why can't I just be either a tranny or a normalfag?

>>7219572
>>7219333
>it's a youngfag post

>>7220287
>Why can't I just be either a tranny or a normalfag?
you are! ;^)

Hi folks, I'm new to this board / thread and have questions. I just turned 21. Been AGP since I started puberty at 12, but never knew what it was called until now. I knew I wasn't outright trans at least but also that I'm not normal.

I'm masculine as fuck. 6'3" athletic build, baritone voice, hairy, big dick. I wish I could have just been born female though and lots of people point out that I have pretty feminine mannerisms and speech despite my low voice. Almost all my friends are women.

I'm not sure how I wound up on 4chan but since I got here a few years ago the only porn I can consistently get off to is from /d/'s TG threads. But I also have a really good life other than that. I'm a senior at a top liberal arts college with a 9/10 girlfriend who wants to marry me and have my babies. My sex life is great. I did the stereotypical college thing and slept with lots of girls throughout undergrad and that gets me off every time. I don't have dysphoria but I think that's just because of my healthy sex life.

When I studied abroad last year though I got dysphoria really bad after about a month since I wasn't having sex regularly (repressive place meant hooking up was hard). I knew I needed to come home and stop feeling that way or I would do something bad to myself but when I got back and started having sex again, the feeling went away. And now even when we go a week without sex the dysphoria doesn't come back, even if I'm constantly fapping to TG porn.

So what am I and what should I do about it? Am I repressing myself by having a good relationship? Should I fuck it up and start HRT or whatever you do for these feelings? How much worse would life get for me? Or should I just marry my GF and have sex all the time to keep the dysphoria away? Anyone here been in this situation before?

Thanks to anyone who helps!

>>7216925
well so you're underage then? and if you hate physical masculinization then continued male development doesn't seem to be a good fit for you. if you are looking for boyish androgyny, then maybe femgen hormones would be good for you.
as far as shaving your legs, i did that my last year of school and either nobody noticed or they were too polite to say anything. it is probably not as big a deal that you think. and additionally face is usually one of the easiest things to fix with surgery, assuming your level of JUST is calibrated to /lgbt/'s level

>>7221282
that is difficult to say. why are you here in this thread now?

of course, i'm sure there are people like you who are agp, otherwise happy, etc. and who go on to live reasonably normal and happy male lives that we just don't hear about because they're out living their happy lives. at the same time, there are agp men who live reasonably normal and happy lives and then end up hitting the wall hard in their late 20s, 30s, 40s and transition.

what are you dissatisfied with? how strong is your wish that you could have just been born female? does your porn usage or fetish interfere with your relationship at all? does your gf know, participate, or disapprove?

>>7220994

Senpai, there's no reason to be envious of me for starting at 20. I personally don't even feel envy for someone who started at 17 or later. If my antivirus hadn't warned me to stay off 4chan, maybe I would have become inspired by all of the traps and gotten my hands on hormones at the tender age of 13. I could certainly understand being envious of that. My existence alone would be irritating to nearly every tranny in the world. But that's not what happened.

And just saying, I don't pass 14 months in so it's not like, "Of course you're not even envious of 17 year olds if you started passing in three months." 17 and over just isn't worth envying.

>>7221756
there is. at 20 you have a very high probability of hip growth, and have avoided a huge amount of mascuilinization that would happen before 25. at 17, you're guaranteed hip growth and avoided even more masculinization

>>7221786

I don't think I've seen any change in my hips since starting (though they do not seem terrible). I also find it hard to believe that once your hips are mostly done in your 20s, estrogen won't quickly fuse the little that's left. That is estrogen's job after all, to fuse the epiphyseal plates. Maybe you would get hips if your bones kept maturing at a pre-HRT rate, but not once you're on estrogen. I wanted to get an x ray to confirm how much I have left, but I didn't get to.

>>7220287
iktf The uncertainty is quite unnerving especially with all the stories of it getting worse with age.
But I got over the fact that I'll never transition and cant do much with my looks, have to find ways to live with it.
1st step: stop spending hours fantasizing how I would wake up a girl tomorrow and go on a date with a handsome guy...

>>7221282
This makes me wonder if I had gotten into happy relationship would agp just faded into background being nothing but a kink, a sexy fantasy. When I had a normal life and gf, trans thoughts didn't bother me much at all.
And if you are happily living your normal life and don't feel dysphoric why throw it away?

>>7221700
>underage then
I wish
>face is usually one of the easiest things to fix
Not when you have a huge fully developed manhead with high forehead, brow ridge, massive jaw an all that. I would have to sell my apartment and kidney to afford it and still get shitty results

>why are you here in this thread now?
I'm confused about myself and wanted to talk to other people like me. I posted because my situation seems kind of unique (at least from what I've read).

>And if you are happily living your normal life and don't feel dysphoric why throw it away?
I don't know if that will continue forever and I don't want to get divorced at 40, get the dysphoria again, but never be able to convincingly become a woman.

>there are agp men who live reasonably normal and happy lives and then end up hitting the wall hard in their late 20s, 30s, 40s and transition.
I'm scared of this. I like my life but I don't know how to handle the possibility it will fall apart. If I'm ever going to transition I want to do it ASAP so that I look and feel as good as I can but I really don't know if it's worthwhile.

>does your porn usage or fetish interfere with your relationship at all?
No. It's just a supplement because I have a high sex drive and we're both busy people.

>does your gf know, participate, or disapprove?
She's conservative and very straight. She could never imagine dating a woman and she hates transpeople. It's one or the other.

>how strong is your wish that you could have just been born female?
I don't know how to answer this. Usually it's not something I think about. But when I haven't had sex for a long time it can be noticeable. The only time it ever got bad enough to interfere with my life is when I was studying abroad like I mentioned in my first post. I think if something like that ever happens again it will hit hard like last time.

>what are you dissatisfied with?
I feel like my brain is a time bomb and it could go off whenever. I could defuse it now by stopping the repression which is my good life, but I would lose a lot in the process. Friends, family, girlfriend. Or I could live with it and hope the bad feelings never come back. But I really don't know how my life will play out.

Hey guys, I've been struggling with this kind of issue for years.

I want to be a woman. I don't know whether or not I'm trans or not. I'm not dysphoric towards my body, it just doesn't seem right for me to be a man.
When I see pictures of me, I can't identify myself with the person in the picture, I can't describe it accurately, but it's just not 'me'.
When I watch porn, I always get turned on if the woman's getting fucked right / is acting horny. Maybe because I am horny as fuck myself? All I want is fuck, but I'm so insecure whether or not I am a man, or well, atleast manly in any sense. I always feel like there is a non-sexual connection between me and women, though I find them more attractive than men. I'm inclined to suck a dick at some point in time, though.
I had a psychotic episode two years ago, with all the symptoms you could imagine. The most relevant to my issue is, that I lost the connection to my penis. Meaning, everytime I touch myself I want to suck myself off, rather than keep on wanking. Also I spread my ass unconsciously when I think about having sex. I really don't know what's going on with me.
I also tried my sister's clothes on once, and I admittedly saw myself in the mirror.
The kicker is, I never had the issues that are common with being trans. never felt dysphoric, or wrong in my gender role. Though, I always feel excluded when I'm with my group of guy friends. As if I'm a girl together with three guys. They talk with each other and have 'guy talk' while I sit next to them and feel kind of 'off'. Again, I can't explain it accurately.
I need to have this clear for myself, but don't know whether or not I need to transition in order to be what I want, or if I'm just a man that doesn't fit into the 'usual' picture of a man...
Can you guys help me in anyway on this issue?

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>>7224321
No one will recommend transition unless you have constant dysphoria (6+ months as of official medical criteria) . If you just fap to dickgirls and occasionally imagine yourself as a woman but can have normal sex life without the need to crossdress/roleplay a girl that sounds like you dont have a bad case of a fetish either. *shrug*

>>7224939
Thanks for this. By these definitions I was definitely dysphoric while I was studying abroad and it did last for about 5 months. If I had stayed another month I don't think it would have somehow gone away. Looks like I met all the criteria.

Still, I hope I can stay happy just being like I am. I wasn't planning on doing anything drastic like transitioning without serious introspection. I just wanted to learn more about this part of myself and now I have. I guess I'll just keep on fetishizing and having a normal sex life for now.

>>7225123
Maybe you would be happier if you just found an out for your needs, but if you are super masc I don't know if you could introduce anything feminine into your appearance, like clothes or growing long hair, shavjng etc. For some people looking somewhat androgynous or occasionally crossdressing is enough to satisfy their needs.

>>7225198
That would be really nice but conservative environment means it's a no-no. Even my normal metrosexual fashion sense makes people who I care about uncomfortable. Got any ideas for how to do it without people noticing too much?

>Can't fap for 12 hours
>Doesn't bother me at first, going to work A-Okay
>Halway through shift: OH GOD I'M A GIRL I NEED COCK FUCK ME
>Finish shift fine
>After shift: See a cute red dress I want, think about how it'd look on me as a girl, what kind of shoes and possibly other clothes I may wear with it, makeup, coming out as trans, recieving my blessings from hormones...oh god no I may be trans
>Get home: PANTIES FAP 3 TIMES OH YES CUM IN ME I'M YOUR BITCH Changed back to boy underwear still fapped twice
>Now: Aroused from typing this post, back to normalcy with an annoying itch in the back of my mind

I fucking hate my life give me a different fetish

>>7226679
fapped twice since this post kill me

>>7226679
Did you start seeing a therapist yet?

>>7228235
The answer is still "I can't..."

>>7226679
It's hilarious to read for me cause I've spent half last night indulging and after I woke up daydreaming for few hours of being a girl
and when porn seems rather boring, just looking down at my legs in thigh-highs gives me illusion that I AM a girl sending me into heaven...

Im so broken but I dont feel bad or shameful about it anymore

>>7226679
the more you encourage it, the stronger it gets brah.

Keep thinking about it, keep feeding the dog, the dog keeps barking.

Learn some self discipline when it comes to thoughts

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>went through old notebook
>found this
>2 years later just have gotten more masculine

why can't i die

>>7229492
welll i don't see "will never pass" on the right column there

>>7229531
that falls under the top 3 on the right column

>>7229492
This is because you are denying your inferiority complex, rather than facing it brah.

Man up, be the man who can face your past, and handle all this shit like a man. I know you can do it

I don't even know where to post this stuff. I'm not trans, I'm not AGP. I'm a male who's into girls for sure, unsure about guys, it's weird and irrelevant. Maybe there's some other place I should post this in?

I feel like I don't really fit the role of a guy. I want to be cute. I don't want to have to be the one worrying about getting stuff to work in a relationship. I want someone to take interest in me and act on it. That's basically the short version.

>>7229492
sounds like you've decided you want and need to transition, the only thing stopping you is fear of society judging (homophobia falls there too), but most people dont care and there will always be someone judging (like they already do just for you being man or for your ethnicity, whatever it is) so what do you really have to lose? it's your life and well being, opinion of the strangers is irrelevant, dont build your life around what others think

your family is more likely to support you than you think, even if they will be upset, they will be accepting, they want the best for you
and you really need family or friends support through it, so that could be your first steps - talking to your parents, reaching out to people who can morally support you, therapy (if you can)

>>7225609
Impossible to give advice without knowing you and your social situation, though its hard to believe even being 'metro' is frowned upon (like come on, it was normal back in 00s already). You might be too self conscious and overcompensating (like AGP or repressed trans often do, ie Jenner) and easing up on that might be a relief (it was for me) but again Im just guessing.

>>7229667
what are you asking about exactly

>>7219611
Who is this semenous demoness?

>>7224321
>I don't know if that will continue forever and I don't want to get divorced at 40, get the dysphoria again, but never be able to convincingly become a woman.

>I'm scared of this. I like my life but I don't know how to handle the possibility it will fall apart. If I'm ever going to transition I want to do it ASAP so that I look and feel as good as I can but I really don't know if it's worthwhile.

I understand, it's a scary thing to think of. It's also difficult really to give you a clear answer. It's not something you can really know until it starts to hit you. I know it took the rest of my life collapsing for me.

Can you see being with her for the rest of your life? Do you have any relationship problems now? What would happen if you lost her?

>But when I haven't had sex for a long time it can be noticeable.
just sex or including masturbation?


your post in >>7225123 is somewhat concerning for normalcy.

How much of your 20s male development have you hit? Aging of the face, balding, etc.
>>7226982
dam son, two faps in under an hour?

>>7228258
why not?

>>7229323
I put on panties for most of my faps but I take them off after, I dunno if out of lack of desire to keep wearing them or fear of getting caught but it always feels like the former. Which also means I'm not trans but then why don't thoughts ever go away? Masturbation addiction?

Thigh highs sound cute as hell though.

>>7229451
It's the hardest thing in the world, when all I have to focus on is my work and both arousal and trans thoughts hit at the same time

>>7226982
Last night I literally fapped 15 times in the course of 6 hours. Tonight isn't as bad with like 3 or 4?

>>7228258
Family money and I guess I don't care enough when bitching online is free.

>>7234652

er,
>>7226982
>>7228258

were meant to both be responses to >>7234627

>>7234652
>Last night I literally fapped 15 times in the course of 6 hours.
just how

>>7229492
Why do you think transitioning will make you more social and help you make friends?

>>7209683
What if I'm AGP but I'm a cis woman?

>>7234843
I get off by some form of tip rubbing against my clothes when I am partially flaccid. It's complex.

I get aroused a lot because anything that suggests female turns me on/has me think trans thoughts

>>7234861
It probably wouldn't, but I would feel less fake when talking to people. I don't really have much of a personality when I communicate with people or my family, I just sort of am a bunch of stuff they expect of me and other stuff I made up that it seems like I would like.

I'm fake I guess.

>>7234894
Remember hormones aren't going to fix all of your life's problems. You have to change you, hormones just help transgirls out.

>>7234627
>Can you see being with her for the rest of your life? Do you have any relationship problems now?
No problems right now and I can see us being together, but we're both seniors in college so life is still uncertain. Us getting into two different law schools will probably mean breaking up for instance.

>What would happen if you lost her?
No idea. Either repeat of what happened while I was studying abroad or I'd get another long term girlfriend which would probably keep me feeling normal. If it is a repeat of studying abroad, that could even be bad enough to collapse the rest of my life. I wound up socially withdrawn and fell way behind on my class work, almost ran out of money, and had to come home. I was all but ready to come out as trans and fuck everything up, but like I said earlier, when I fell back into the normal swing of dating & sex the feelings mostly went away.

> It's also difficult really to give you a clear answer.
I definitely get that. It probably doesn't help that I don't even have things clear myself! Thanks for helping anyway though. It's really good to talk to people about this.

>just sex or including masturbation?
Just sex. Masturbation can actually make it worse because I can only really do it with porn from places like /d/'s TG threads. I'm not sure whether I should delete all my TG porn and stop indulging that, or whether that would make things worse. I do have sex often enough that it's not an issue right now, but that isn't always the case.

>your post in >>7225123 is somewhat concerning for normalcy.
That's what I thought. That's why I'm here to be honest.

>How much of your 20s male development have you hit? Aging of the face, balding, etc
None really. My family doesn't bald and I take care of my skin so my face looks really young. I don't have particularly manly bone structure or anything either. Why do you ask?

>>7234988
cont.

>>7229763
>its hard to believe even being 'metro' is frowned upon
Even just wearing skinny jeans is enough that my friends, family, and girlfriend will at least comment and probably make fun of me. You're probably right that I'm overly sensitive about those comments but everyone I know IRL is seriously socially conservative. My own dad called me a fag for wearing Levis 511s once and those aren't even sold as skinny! I don't want to alienate myself and I honestly do think that dressing in a more feminine style would alienate me.

>it was normal back in 00s already
Not where I lived unfortunately. It's loose jeans or cargo pants, boots, and flannels or work shirts and anything else gets you looked at funny or called names.

>easing up on that might be a relief
I think it would be for sure. I'd love to even just wear skinny jeans or grow my hair out. I'd be giving up everyone in my life for that though. I just don't see how I could make it work.

>>7234952
I know.

Tbh it really just makes me want to kill myself because I have so many problems I might as well but idk, maybe if I took hormones life would at least be livable.

>>7235694
Starting hormones legit took away most of my anxiety and depression, definitely try it if you have gender issues + depression/anxiety

>>7234864

Why do you think you're AGP?

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>>7209770
Fucking hell

>>7235713
idk

It's hard to know what is caused by tranny-ness and what is caused by other things.

I won't know until I took hormones but I'm too scared to order them even though I'm just getting more masc.

>>7234864
Then you're living the fucking dream!

>>7230394
Hopefully me one day

>>7234652
you'll end up like that brazilian kid who fapped all day until he died, you should really see a doc

>>7234864
you are living the dream, don't trigger our envy

>>7229667
You want an equal partner?

>>7235845
Story pls

>>7234864
Then you're a completely normal/average whatever cis woman.

>>7235729
Because being in the body of a woman arouses me greatly.

>>7239506
I figure you are lesbian right?

>>7239519
Yep.

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>>7239529
AGP transbians are normal women, confirmed, thanks.

>>7239565
>transbians
Sound like sick faggots to me

>>7209683
Question about pop's pic. What makes it agp?
I think a good portion of trans women would love to look down and see that kind of body.
Or is it only agp if you get off to images like That?

>>7239506

So when you look down at your boobs and your vulva, you feel horny? Do you sometimes put a small mirror in front of your vulva so you can watch yourself masturbate while lying in bed? How did uou feel when you started developing breasts? Do you get aroused by the idea of having a smaller waist to hip ratio or larger and/or perkier breasts? Does the softness of your skin arouse you?

>>7239861

Most trans women would be happy for that to be what they see when they look down at their own body. But someone AGP would literally be sexually aroused to imagine that as their own body. As in a full salute.

>Mom isn't coming home tonight
AW SHIT YES I CAN SLEEP IN JUST PANTIES AND A CUTE TOP I'M GONNA DO THIS I'M GONNA BE A GIRL

>Fap it off
Why am I doing this I'm changing back fuck that noise shit the fuck is wrong with me

Andrew Dobson

>>7241370
How long have you been wearing them?

I only get excited the first few times and now it just makes me feel good.

Do hormones actually make things better or does it just make everything slightly less worse but still terrible and suicide-inducing.

>>7241399
I've been crossdressing in private and wearing panties out on occasion for like years now and 90% of the time I still take everything off after fapping

>>7240166
Yes to all except putting a mirror on my labia. I just enjoy the sensation of touching it.

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>>7241370
My life cycle in a nutshell
I even got fake boobs, I've never slept in, even though how awkward inconvenient and uncomfortable they are turn me on.

I just start to then fall into that horrible anxiety-depression state where I hate my life and begin wondering where everything went wrong. That kinda makes it hard to sleep.

I feel like this may be because other reasons though. It's like being horny is the only positive emotion I have left at this point. a-haha

I wish I could just be actually trans or something so I can not be in this uncomfortable in between.
A gf okay with crossdressing in bed room would be nice but that's like a fucking unicorn in a southern state and even asking is how I lost my last gf. I don't want that to happen again.

>>7242141
sometimes i wonder if i had gotten a gf when i could have, would i have ended up ok? like that one anon in here?

but this is where i'm at now
>I just start to then fall into that horrible anxiety-depression state where I hate my life and begin wondering where everything went wrong
>It's like being horny is the only positive emotion I have left at this point. a-haha
although i can sleep fine

i thought
>I wish I could just be actually trans or something so I can not be in this uncomfortable in between.
for a long time too
but now i'm just "trans" 1+ year on hormones
take from that what you will

>>7242221
If you were on hormones for over a year wouldn't you just be trans rather than "trans"?

>>7242141
>like being horny is the only positive emotion I have left
I know that feeling so so much. I feel like I don't want to be a woman as much as I want to want to be a woman, if that makes any sense

>>7242260
i don't feel like a girl at all though
not passable either

>>7242266
So why continue to take hormones?

>>7242272
because being manly makes me sick and it would only get worse

>>7242221
>i wonder if i had gotten a gf when i could have, would i have ended up ok
i'm almost certain finding someone who loves and supports you can make a world of difference

t. wizard

>>7242141
>It's like being horny is the only positive emotion I have left at this point.
That is probably not conductive to getting a girlfriend.

>>7242659
*conducive

>>7242659
neither is agp for that matter

>>7242090

The answer to this is probably no since you're a lesbian, but do you ever get aroused to the idea of becoming a porn star or escort?

Quick question is it a go if you think traps are hot want to be one take hormones love how trappy your body turned out but have no desire to ever be a woman and kind the idea repulsive and only picture yourself as a cute trap not even mtf but like a femboi with boi boobs and such what's that?

>>7242870
Sorry autocorrect AGP is what I meant instead of go.

>>7242870
No, that would be gay.

>>7242221 >>7242290
>i had gotten a gf when i could have, would i have ended up ok?
I'm sure it helps, when 'wanting her' overtakes 'wanting to be her' and sort of blends and you can be happy together.
But that worked only when I had feelings for a girl.
And even being socially active with friends and all helped to keep me grounded and content with my male life and forget about agp quickly after I'm done fapping. But Im not trans, so I can't speak for everyone.

In your opinions, is it more AGP to get SRS or not get it?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11672619

The way I see it, getting SRS is more AGP because you're turned on by the idea of being castrated and surgically converted to female. While if you don't want SRS, it's because you are turned on more by the idea of being a shemale with a big dick than by actually being a woman. Of course, I'm talking about decisions to get or not get SRS based on arousal.

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>>7243475
there is nothing wrong with wanting a nice boyvag, it make wearing cute panties and short skirts and tight trousers so much easier and more comfy! doesnt mean you want to be a woman.

>tfw you've gone so far you wouldn't miss you dick despite not being a tranny

>>7219611
I'm so greedy. I think I want both the bimbo body and my intelligence. I want to look female but keep my penis and be open about what I am.

I wonder how it's going to play out.

>>7242659
The failed relationships caused that, not the other away around.
I'm just ... numb to feelings of joy and love at this point. It's a farce to me.

>>7243475
There's no "it depends" or "it's so subjective that an answer would be pointless" option?

>>7244918
I get it, don't worry. I've been thinking on the question "what makes you happy?" today and yesterday.
Took me a good while to figure something out. Apparently the only thing I enjoy is drinking coke/energy drinks.

The A*P general got deleted again.

Without an explicit A*P general, the options are either to make a separate AAP general and have an extremely large overlap of discussion and limit the thread to a population that might not be large enough to keep it alive, or to just talk about AAP here anyway and have an incorrect title/OP text. Either way I don't understand why having a thread that covers both AAP and AGP is a bad thing.

Maybe bitching is pointless by this stage considering an A*P general can't possibly violate any rules that the AGP general wouldn't also be violating, so it's just that moderator's personal view.

>>7245272
Shitty gas station food at 2pm in the morning feels really nice.
Something about stuffing my face with barely edible plastic meat tubes and luke warm chilly under those industrial quality fluorescent light bulbs...

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>>7245272
>what makes you happy?
indulging in agp - fantasies and doing lewd things is pretty much it
I love socializing but only when I feel in a good mood and with people I like, so that doesn't happen too often anymore

>>7245466
that's sad to hear, I didnt like the split, but not letting people have their own different thread if they chose to is ridiculous
maybe OP posted something that prompted del-all?

>>7245665
Here's the archive; nothing objectionable was posted that I can see: http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7209925

The split is unnecessary because the amount of AAP discussion (that isn't the same as the AGP discussion but with male/female swapped) is so limited that it makes more sense to just assimilate it into the AGP general, and if that's going to happen then it makes more sense for it to be the "A*P General", since that's what it is. When AAP was being discussed in the AGP general those posts weren't deleted, so clearly it's not the discussion content that's a "problem" but the existence of the A*P thread. If having 2 separate threads was the problem then the AGP general should be the one that gets removed, since a single unified thread will eliminate the need for a split.

Perhaps I'm missing something.

>>7245466
>or to just talk about AAP here anyway and have an incorrect title/OP text
I don't see a problem with that really

>>7210715
Even going by the assumption that trutrans are just hyper gay males, it doesn't make sense.

There are boatloads of gay men leading closet lives and modifying their behavior to fit acceptable social standards.

Literally all men are taught to do this. That some sexologists found trutrans were overwhelmingly open in their femininity seems like selection bias. How many closet fags only came out as trans later in life?

The dichotomy is ridiculous. There are cute, young agp that pass as trutrans and trutrans that are old disgusting hons.

>>7245725
You can call it the A*P general but just name it AGP and AAP general so people can still find it

shit this isn't hard

>Be me a passive, heavily repressed bisexual guy
>Bullied often throughout childhood because I don't do locker room banter or fight or play sports
>Sexually assaulted by a couple guys in school
>Hate myself because I realize that being bullied turns me on
>Start to develop a complex about being male
>Begin internalizing my hate for men and believing women are inherently better
>Crossdress regularly in high school including fapping in front of a mirror
>I want to be a member of the superior sex
>Get hardcore dysphoria
>Mostly fap to trannies and yaoi
>I come out as a trans lesbian at the end of high school and transition
>Spend several years in unsuccessful and unfulfilling relationships with women
>Still fap to trannies and traps because I can't self insert as a cis woman
>Start looking at gay male porn occasionally
>Eventually come to the realization that no amount of hate will stop me from being a fag
>Realize that I'm not a transbian, let alone any kind of lesbian
>Start dating another guy who has a somewhat similar backstory
>We both fall in love and start dating as a gay male couple while still taking HRT
>I've never been happier

I feel that I don't fit neatly into the two 'types' of trans. On the one hand, I'm clearly not purely androphilic because while I'm mostly attracted to people who are biologically male (guys, mtf, etc), I also get turned on by the concept of being the smaller, more feminine partner.

On the other hand, I have very little desire to have sex with actual women. My fantasies almost always involve me being some sort of feminine male or a really feminine FtM.

Its bizarre. Like the straight part of myself was stunted by not being able to hack it as a guy, but the gay part of me turned into this submissive cockslut who really wants to fulfill the social niche of a woman without actually being one.

>>7246386

I have to agree with this. I realized this a few weeks or days ago and it seems strange to me that a gay can hide being gay, but then a hyper-gay tranny somehow "just can't."

>>7245466
>>7245665
>>7245725
Because you guys let it die due to no posting. I saw it slowly creep down to page 10 and then die. There is no conspiracy. Congrats, you found out that a general requires both interest and maintenance!

Occasional AAP talk has never been ostracized, but there is simply very little interest for it, and the primary purpose for this general has been a place for AGPs and to pull in people who hear AGP-as-slur all over the place. Stay here if you want but you need to stop forcing your """a*p""" and the issue for a completely unfitting name change. Alternatively, recreate your general and this time bump it.

>>7244368
Playing dumb is much better than actually being dumb. It's a lot easier to get what you want when you trick your sugar daddy into thinking he's controlling you

>>7245466
>>7245665
>>7245725

>>7246744 is right. Deleted threads do not remain on the onsite archive. Yet a*pg is in the archive. The thread just died.

>>7246793

That's what I told an aspiring bimbo 3 or 4 threads ago when she asked for a safe way to reduce her intelligence.

>>7246799
>That's what I told an aspiring bimbo 3 or 4 threads ago when she asked for a safe way to reduce her intelligence.
Glad to see there are more of us bimbois helping each other out

>>7246813

I'm not a bimbo or an aspirant, I just know the most successful chicks throughout history who gave up the pussy for $$$ only pretended to be stupid, and so I passed it along. They were a bit hesitant to accept that though, since they asked what they should do if they're caught.

>>7246799 >>7246793
I take it's not about being dumb its about being careless and happy... and acting silly in result
a blissful state of being full of estrogen and serotonin

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>>7246614
>Start to develop a complex about being male
>I come out as a trans lesbian at the end of high school and transition
that reads really bizarre, what a ride, did you transition at 18?
but the happy ending is awesome

You ever feel like you want to want to be a girl, rather than just want to be a girl?

Because that's how I feel and it makes no sense. I don't want it but I want to want it.

>>7246949
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. What I meant to say is because it was the men in my life who abused me I started to think that maybe women women were just better people. So I started hating myself for being male and idealized women, rather than realizing that women are also flawed human beings as well.

And yes, I started spiro in late 2007 and got on E in early 2008 when I turned 18.

>tfw older than most of the babbytrans on this board

is there another discord link that would be valid? i could use some answers.

>>7247087
discord.gg/A8aZNQG

>>7245466
>got deleted
Liar. It died from inactivity.

srsly thinking about that might be a trans, all the agp in my life is because of repression...
I have been remembering old memories, is it normal to be 8years old and have like strong agp visions (daydreaming)?
also the conception that my subconscious bought of a transwomen being super femine may have help this repression, because yes i a have femine side but not all the way girly, and i like girls
in the past year or so i have been more openly expressing my feminity, and that help for a bit

>>7248144
no, that's not normal. fairly normal for agp though

>>7248175
well i remember this on day in kindergarten, it' was a kinda event or something we were dressed up like cooks and cheifs, but before we went out the kindergarten teachers started to put lipstick on the girls, and i said that i want it too!, they laugh and said it was only for girls, but i ended up have it.
hmmm just this one i think

>>7248240
yeah but we are in this thread righT?, i was asking in terms of agp

If anyone is following this thread, I just made this post on another thread. If someone would like to try to associate that to this, I would appreciate the insight.

>>7248264

>>7248181
Eh, maybe. It's all ancient history at this point. I won't say it didn't affect me at all because it clearly did, but I got over it.

At any rate, even if it were true, I don't think there's a way to change something that's fundamental to who I am without introducing a fuckton of other problems. There's no way I'm going to be a normal bro at this point, and I really don't want to be. I'm fine being a fag tbqh.

>>7246744
>>7246799
Yeah, the thread just died because everyone posted here. The mod's a bastard but they had nothing to do with this.

>>7248279
I can relate to that to a degree, as I've been almost bpd level emotional wreck (had some psychotic episodes and disturbed sleep in childhood, but wasnt diagnoed with any pathology) and I've been brought up mostly by my mother, daddy was barely ever home and they divorced early.
No doubt I picked up too much from my mother and associated myself with her. I loved being next to her all the time instead of playing on my own, and she would teach me how to cook and do nails (no make up tho, sadly) when I was pre-schooler.
Still I was rather normal boy socially.

>>7247027
yeah

>>7246744
i made a*pg, but i'm not trying to 'force' anything on anyone -- that's, you know, why the split happened. there is no reason to say agp instead of a*p outside the thread's title (the intro post, i should note, is not the title). i'm just really fucking pissed off at the mod for deleting a thread that wasn't even about aap because it acknowledged that there are aaps. i use a*p because it is fundamental to accept that agp is not the only form of fetishistic dysphoria if you're going to understand anything about transsexualism.

>>7249316
>there is no reason to say agp instead of a*p outside the thread's title (the intro post, i should note, is not the title)
There's a reason, if someone searches for agp or aap it won't show up in the results unless it literally includes both words
Why not just call it AGP/AAP, maybe the mods won't delete that

>>7249316
>there is no reason to say agp instead of a*p
yes there is, like there is a reason MtF and FtM dont get piled together, though they are both transgender

>>7249322
the mod who deleted it did so because she's triggered by the existence of aap, not due to anything against the asterisk
what i'm proposing is the title being agpg and the language outside the title being neutral

>>7249322
>>7249330
it died because nobody posted in it and despite appearing so fucking obsessed with forcing this gen to be your gen didn't give enough of a shit to bump it.

there is nothing wrong with you starting your own discussion thread, but you need to have the interest for it to become an actual general. when a conversation continues long enough to span multiple threads, then creating a general may be a good idea.

now please just leave us alone and keep your drama out of here

>>7249353
the drama is entirely 100% your own fault
there was no issue with it at all for several threads
i said multiple times i didn't want to split the thread, i was FORCED to when you(/the mod?) deleted a thread i made that was thriving solely because you were triggered by my image choice

>>7249360
fuck off tumblr shit

it was 100% your fault, as we have been going along perfectly for months and months until you showed up and forced your garbage here. how do you not understand this?

please, just try your general again but don't get upset if it doesn't garner interest this time like it didn't last time, and stop trying to destroy this general and replace it with your own.

>>7249375 >>7249360
have some decency and respect and lets not start identity tribalism here

I just want to talk about gender issues tied to sexual identity and fetishization evolving into something more

>>7219611
Any tips for increasing libidio? Even before I got on HRT I only felt like masturbating once a week.

I don't think I have any problems living as a cis guy in life yet the only way has always been AGP. I can't imagine ever being in a proper relationship/sex life because of this. I remember trying to convert myself to straight when I was 13. I even considered going gay once so that I can imagine myself as a woman but I'm not gay so this doesn't work. This makes me so depressed. What's wrong with me?

>>7249935
The only way of getting off for me has always been AGP*

i'm fine with being a dude but hate my body hair to the point of being an anxious faggot about it

wat do (i have enough that shaving daily is not feasible)

>>7249816
bupropion, cabergoline, bremelanotide

>>7249375
Not that person but I was also here for "months and months" and I think the mod's a shitter. You don't use power for your own benefit. A thread should only be deleted if it is against the rules.

>>7249985
Laser Hair Removal is a common thing for cis men too

As much as this fetish disrupts my life, I'd rather have this than the weird ass quicksand fetish my friend has.

>>7250162
what's it like to tell your friend about a fetish as inappropriate as AGP?

I want to tell mine but I'm kinda worried they'll think I'm a freak.

>>7250180
I haven't told him. He told me be about his quicksand fetish though. I thought guys getting off to the thought of being a girl was normal. Still trying to figure out if I'm trans or not.

>>7250283
I'm not usually from here, so I'm a little out of the know about things like that, besides, it doesn't matter whether it's actually normal or not, I doubt my friends, no matter how autistic they are, will not be surprised. Hell, even if my closest friend came out to me as AGP I'd pretend to of never had heard of it.

if you care, I'm AGP and still consider myself trans.

>>7250302
Damn. I wonder how being AGP is gonna affect me after transition.

>>7250309
Me too, if everything goes right, not only will I be super happy and in love with my body, but I'll also be living out my fetish in day to day life. I think I'd be unbelievably happy.

>>7250325

Do cis people always love their body? I don't think that's really true. I never really liked mine. I always felt jealous of the girls I've met.

>>7250373
Unless they have a very positive self image I doubt it.

However, I think going from being inside a body I loathe to going to a body that I'm okay with would make me love purely due to how much I hated my previous appearance.

I can't help but to take pride in things I think I'm good at or blessed with, considering that, if was born a very pretty cisfemale, I think I'd be in love with myself anyway without the whole transgender situation.

>>7250302
I'm not going to tell you anything new or reassuring - it will most likely be viewed as perversion, insanity and laughed at, there is too much stigma associated with transvestites. Even in gay circles.

>>7250483
yeah I figured. I have a IRL friend who openly tells me about his loli femdom fetish and I was wondering whether it'd be worth trying to reciprocate that behavior. I guess not, thanks for saving me from delusion anon.

>>7250503
Is getting off to being a girl really not normal?

>>7250511
I think so. I mean on 4chan it seems to have equal or greater representation than other "perverted" fetishes. But elsewhere it has dramatically less representation, maybe there's extra stigma attached to it because of the same stigma attached to transgenderism in general. Thus making it appear less common.

That being said, it's definitely seen as a more freakish and perverse fetish than most.

>>7250503
Well, it depends on how close you are as friends and how much he can relate. Find like-minded people to make friends with. But even there I had shitty experience where everyone started in-fighting cause
>tranny get out reee!
>degenerate sissy whore!
>Im pure qt crossdresser and you are fags in skirts
and shit like that

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>convince myself that I'm not agp or trans
>still let hair grow out, and shave my body
>today I could tie my hair up for the first time
>I actually looked a bit feminine
>tfw had a massive mental breakdown
And now I'm questioning my gender again. I'm not sure what I am but I don't think I'm normal.

Now I've just been lying in bed, wrapped in a blanket, thinking suicidal thoughts.

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>>7250689
>tfw don't shave
>workout
>don't shower for 2 days and sit in my room
>balding
>inhale my own Testosterone-fumes

I love repressing

>>7250689

Try anti-androgens while you figure yourself out.

>>7250719
I can't for various reasons. I just wish I could figure myself out asap though..

>>7250718
Do you really love it?

>>7250689
I'm totally not trans but I dislike masc features and bodyhair is absolute worst.
I felt truly happy when my hair grew enough and started looking nice after being a mess for few months so much that I'd be embarrassed to go out. Now they are about the same as in your pic. Oddly I dont feel depressed anymore (that might have to do lower T and accepting myself too but how I feel changes 3 times per week, Im not certain about anything already)

>>7250733

Why can't you?

>>7250766
I can't change what I was born into

>>7250804
I'm the same way about bodyhair.

it disgusts me when I see my body hair, I'm pretty hairy

>>7250719
i wish someone had told me this years ago ;___;

Did someone at least link the survey again?

I felt those feelings a long time ago when I could have made a good trap, but I didn't know about any of this transgender stuff. I just thought I was a faggot/bisexual with a feminine side to hide and I thought lifting would change these feelings by altering my smallish frame.

>>7255359
Should have just been lazy.
I'm 27 and in pictures I have looked the exact same for the past 10 years lol
Most people still think I'm 17 or 18 years old. Even my family has started getting concerned cause they think it's possibly a health issue.

>>7255369
Tfw used to think my feminine face, soft voice and thin wrists/sort of narrow shoulders/wide-ish hips were bad. That said, squats made my glutes juicier.

>>7255377
Well I had a lot of cancer when I was young so maybe that had something to do with.
I have had I think 3 tumours on my prostate now before the age of 10. And prostate cancer is cured via antiandrogens and estrogen basically.
Coincidentally I still grew up normal though, I have perfectly normal sized genitals. Usually I didn't go through hormonal treatments cause hormones weren't the cause at my age, they did a urethral ectomy surgery or whatever it's called.
I've also had colon cancer and skin cancer. I'm basically just a genetic defect. My mom smoked a lot while pregnant so I have a lot of health issues but I'm doing alright now.

>>7250718

I tried lifting to repress better, but it's impossible when I get no sleep.

>>7250855
You're avoiding the question.

Is it normal to be a straight cis guy and think you'd have been better off born as a woman?

I don't particularly enjoy picturing myself as one but I can't help but feel I don't really fit society's expectations of how a man's personality should be.

>>7256747
imo preferring the female gender role/expectations is not really a good reason to transition, ideally we should be working to get rid of gender roles.

>>7256770
I don't want to transition

even so I don't see how removing gender roles (which I dislike) would help. Women will still prefer aggressive men

>>7256776
I'm not really sure what you mean by aggressive here but if you mean like taking the initiative I think it is becoming more common for women to ask men out and stuff like that.

>>7256794
Well if they are I haven't experienced it. the men that do well with women are masculine, cocky, confident etc

wish I could be asexual

>>7256747
you can think whatever, what matters is if you get dysphoric about being wrong gender or having wrong body/sex characteristics

social pressure and gender norms is another thing, give them middle finger and be with people who don't force that bullshit on you (maybe you'd have to move places, but its worth it)

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Does anyone have any good sources on pov porn from the perspective of the OP? For years I've found very little content and the guy is always not sexy or its crappy a mature quality

>>7257082
/gif/ has female pov threads sometimes

>>>/gif/9607992

>>7257082
there is some but not much, and ughm Im not sure its healthy cause it will mess your mind more
maybe try lesbian/solo pov
I never save or bookmark


>>7243475
interestingly there are posts that claims AGPs are more likely to get SRS
>>7255385

>>7257161
I agree about the messing up of the head thing but I'm a conservative mans man. Being depressed hasnt convinced me to off myself and sissy hypno didn't convince me to chop my coxk n balls off a man can dream While still criticising the subversion he willing participates in

>>7257253
this is the textbook description of a mental disorder, a perfect recipe, if not already the result of, dysphoria and psychosis. but hey we all have to fight our own internal struggles. GL

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>>7257253
>sissy hypno
well if you just want to fap and dont care about dysphoria getting worse

>>7257293
the nature of hypnosis only brings out desires u already innately have it cant make u desire new things. sissy hypno can be pretty degrading though n even tho im not trans i take offense at how it treats feminine behavior and personallity as if women or "sissy" guys are somehow dumber than straight hetero strong men because of who they may or may not be in the bedroom.

>>7257293
also, this is why i wish there was sissy hypno that was less about humiliation and denegrating stereotypical femaleness/sex roles in the bedroom, and just being ok with being feminine, or submissive, or wanting and liking the thought of yourself with a feminine body

>>7257328
Wanting that is exactly what made me realise I was trans and not just AGP.

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>>7257110
Thanks anon never caught that thread

>>7257317
>already innately have
sure, but it only exaggerates it and makes matter worse
>sissy hypno can be pretty degrading
it's only degrading to men, look up MEF and why its a thing
>>7257328
there is, again not going to point to anything since it's haram and I got rid of it

>>7257378
and Im not trans but I got over MEF shit quickly cause being girl is a happiness and not humiliation to me

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>usually browse /pol/
>decide to go see how this board is doing
>come across this thread

So tranny's just transition so that can jerk off to themselves? Why am I not surprised? Fucking degenerates

>>7257025
yeah I'm not dysphoric so I guess I'm ok. just get very depressed and lonely

>>7257110
that's really hot

>>7257110
It's okay, I wanted to be depressed today anyway.

D-Did I actually experience gender dysphoria?

I looked in the bathroom mirror at school and saw that my shoulders were made to appear broader by my shirt and I got a little sad. Then later that day at a Chinese restaurant, my reflection off of a tea pot made it look like I had a thin waist and good hips, and I could not stop staring in secrecy. On the train that day I just looked in my reflection and played with my hair and wishing I looked different.

I was thinking "I'm probably trans I'm probably trans" all day but fapped the first moment I could and now I'm back to neutral. Was it dysphoria or the fetish telling me I have dysphoria?

>>7258611
sorry anon

>>7259039
yes that sounds like it probably was dysphoria

i read this page before where a trans woman basically said she thinks all of the hormones and endorphins that flood your brain after orgasm is what causes dysphoria to go away for a while after orgasm. you can also think about it this way: if you have to masturbate every few hours just to be able to be okay with your male body is that really a life worth living?

>>7257110
sheeeeit
thanks

>>7259209
>hours
ha
But the times after I masturbate are when I feel the most like myself, am comfortable with being male, and are all around the best of times

female feels come with arousal and isolation

>>7255617
Some people want to be the first people on Mars.

We can't all have what we want in life.

>>7260603
so the original answer is "no" then

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>>7209683
I very often think of myself this way, but usually as a sexual fantasy. Sometimes I do it from an entirely non-sexual standpoint, though, such as signing up for websites as a girl. Never realised there was a name for it.

>>7260647
I will defeat your disease

>>7260659
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
that's like the most dysphoria-inducing picture ever

>>7260720
ikr, why'd you think I saved it ;)

>>7257110
omg
this is so fucking hot

>>7257328
It can't be that hard to set up a tumblr on that topic. Get to work!