t. western european

>>7192992
>Why would you willingly give up part of your rights.
please show me the rights i gave up

thanks

Ready for Americans to lead the world with new inventions, start companies, and hire other Americans to manufacture that company's goods in their garage.

MAGA

>>7192992

to stop islam.

>western european doesn't understand shit
>thinks his country is doing fine
opinion discarded

>>7192992

Why is Islam treated so nicely, while you constantly bash Christianity? Do you realize how retarded that is?

>>7193017
Who's talking about Christianity?

>>7193035

I am.


>get swarmed with syrians and we're still fine.

You're fucking delusional, EU is going through a massive divide in the next decade and it might just collapse, just watch how the right is rising slowly but surely.

People have had enough of immigrants coming to ours countries to change our culture & laws, while they rape our daughters and we get the blame because we didn't bother to understand their feelings.


How can you conclude EU is doing just fine, do you even watch the news?

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Does anybody want to talk on kik? Im from Holland

>>7192992
I choose mean words over being beheaded or thrown off a building any day of the fucking week

>>7193090
This. OP is just another faggot on the left's leash and collar.
>You're country has the biggest military in the world
I'm not afraid of another military, dipshit. I'm afraid of bad immigrants.
> Countries in europe are way worse equipped and much closer to the thread, get swarmed with syrians and we're still fine.
You're crime and rape stats are skyrocketting, but I guess that's just fine with you.

Drink bleach. I mean this sincerely. You are what's wrong with our community.

>>7193041
Again, who's talking about Christianity?

>>7192992
Fuck the US.
To elect a president who hasn't described any of his plans that could become a policy, fossil fuel supporter. And a vice-president who's insanely homophobic, in addition.

>>7192992
Even with the Republicans in power, the situation for LGBT in the US will still be way better than where I live.
Here the government is 100% filled with conservatives, and the majority of the population support "traditional values". They tell us: "if you don't like it here, get the fuck out and move to your beloved EU/US". Huh, like I wouldn't have already moved to a more socially progressive country if I could. From what I understand, you need to be a really, really valuable specialist to get hired and qualify for citizenship. And no foreign company would hire a low-skill code monkey like me.
t. non-EU Eastern European, MtF

>>7193140

Your mom.

>>7193208
do you have kik or skype?

>Trumpkins actually believe Islam is gonna overrun a country on the other side of the world

Do you faggots think the Middle East is next to Mexico or something?

>>7193381

Go fuck a goat.

>>7192992
Trump is a person I, as a homosexual, could honestly feel pretty comfortable being around. He's a no-bullshit kind of man.

I suck cock. How is Trump being elected in any way taking away my rights to do that?

>>7194183
Would you let him grab you by the balls?

>>7194196
Noo.

He has dignity.

It's like Brexit really, you have a bunch of people with extreme views getting very fired up and protest voting without really looking at the facts.

>"Yeah! We're tired of the corrupt political elite and wall street not looking out for the working man! Let's vote in this conservative Billionaire 1%-er, that'll save us!"

>"Yeah! We're tired of being governed by a power we have no control over, we need to get our sovereignty back so we can make our own decisions and clamp down on immigration. Let's vote in the woman who's been in charge of the boarders for the past few years and completely failed to do anything about immigration. At least we have sovereignty! Wait...what's the house of lords and why do they get to make all the decisions???"

And then it's damage control all the way after the fallout.

Both votes have been split pretty neatly down the wire - no landslide victories. The population is divided and no "You're a racist!" "Yeah well you're a champagne socialist!" ad-hominem will change that. Very few people actively supported the corruption of the EU or Hilary Clinton, it's just a clash of values between moderate people who look for long term change and reactionary people who want immediate change.

But hey, it's American politics. I think most people are just disappointed because they thought America was starting to be a bit more sane having voting in a black guy twice, it's just Bush all over again. Oh well.

>>7192992
>Are you really that afraid of an entire religion invading your country and killing you?

Yes? And if you aren't and you live in Western Europe you're completely retarded. The demographic shift in the west over the past ~25 years has been insane. Literally in the space of few decades anywhere from 10% to 30% of the population of European countries became immigrants, primarily Muslims. At this rate by 2050 there'll be nothing left.

And no these aren't the Muslims that assimilate. For one thing because they were poor and uneducated in their home countries and for another because there are so fucking many of them there's no real pressure for them to assimilate.

>>7192992
>islamophobia
This meme again. Islam is not equivalent to Muslims.

Islam is a set of ideas and beliefs, many of which are truly barbaric and incredibly fucked up. Go and read the Hadith. Tell me how great Sharia law is. Tell me what the punishment for apostasy is according to Islamic law. Tell me how homosexuals are treated under Islamic law. How women are treated under Islamic law. (I'll give you a freebie: a woman's testimony under Sharia law is worth a fraction of a man's.)

Muslims, on the other hand, are people, individuals who may believe or follow those doctrines to varying degrees or not at all. I have friends who are Muslim, and who are good people who don't believe in a lot of that fucked up shit laid out in Islamic law.

If someone were to say that they hate Muslims then yes, that's fucked up. But to say that you think Islam itself is fucked up is completely reasonable.

Also, when has Trump been homophobic? I mean, Pence is definitely, but Trump has expressed support for legbutts numerous times over.

>>7201510
>We're tired of being governed by a power we have no control over, we need to get our sovereignty back so we can make our own decisions and clamp down on immigration.
Wow, what a radical notion... wanting to be out from under the heel of un-democratically appointed foreign officials who get to tell you who you get to allow into your own country and how you are allowed to conduct trade?

If everyone embraced this silly notion of incrementalism like you do, the US would not even exist as a country.

>>7192992
The choice is being thrown off buildings or not getting married.

t. another western European

>>7203111
>Wow, what a radical notion... wanting to be out from under the heel of un-democratically appointed foreign officials who get to tell you who you get to allow into your own country and how you are allowed to conduct trade?

Are you talking about the House of Lords or the EU? It could literally be either one from that statement.

>>7193005

From what. Moron.

>>7193041
>while they rape our daughters

Go drink bleach you easily manipulated faggot.

>>7193090
>I choose mean words over being beheaded or thrown off a building any day of the fucking week

I'll take false dilemmas for 500 Alex.

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>>7192992
>and we're still fine

>>7193381

Logic. It's great to have.

>>7193641

/pol/ ladies and gentlemen.

>>7193090
It being legal to kill you for being gay is not "mean words". Apparently American gays have been brainwashed to the point where they think they'll respawn or something as long as they don't get beheaded.

>>7201510
>Let's vote in this conservative Billionaire 1%-er, that'll save us!"

God are you stupid.

>>7202185

>anywhere from 10% to 30% of the population

It's 4 percent you dumbfuck. 8-10% in France, which is the highest.

>>7203075
>(I'll give you a freebie: a woman's testimony under Sharia law is worth a fraction of a man's.)

That makes complete sense. Look up the etymology of "testimony" and you'll see why.

>>7206215
There is no reason why you can't have both. Sure, for the time being they may trick us into feeling we have to choose one or the other, but the long-term goal should be keeping homophobes of any sort away from positions of power.

>>7206774
.01%. He's not an elite 1%-er. He's a Super Elite .01%-er. Like Nappa, or Vegeta.

>>7206780
>Look up the etymology of "testimony" and you'll see why.
It comes from the Latin word for witness.

>>7192992
Trump got elected because of the following:

>desperate desire for change on the part of the working class and rust belt
>typical saber rattling over immigration that happens every fucking time and never goes anywhere
>paranoia over ISIS, we need a big strong man to protect us from the mean brown people half-way across the world
>Hillary being a shit candidate in general
>the incompetent Democratic Party
>reactions against 8 years of Obama
>low as fuck voter turnout
>voter ID laws which are specifically designed to stop certain demographics from voting
>the antiquated anti-democratic electoral college that has only stuck around because it favors small states (who in turn influence agricultural policy)
>memes

My advice for you is to sit back and watch Trump fuck everything up and flipflop on all of his promises. Trump is part of the elites and always has been, his entire campaign was just pandering. Understanding that is the REAL "red pill".

>>7192992
Are you retarded? Trump is pro-LGBTQ (even includes the Q).

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>>7193381
I think the Middle East does not have the same cultural norms as us, even the most basic of things such as respect for women, homosexuals, or secularism.

I have nothing against the people, I have many things wrong with Islam and the incompatibility between the Middle East & the West.

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>>7206844

That's why he picked Mike Pence for VP

>>7206715
Uh that literally is happening though, you need news links? Someone's doing the raping.

>>7206715
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html

If this doesn't make you angry and you're actually going to try and defend this fucking rapist animal then you're seriously mentally ill. Like, no joke, not even in the /pol/ sense. You legitimately need to seek mental counsel.

>>7207721
You can hate a rapist without hating the entire demographic group he's part of.

>>7207746
Yes, but it's not unreasonable to want to prevent further immigration of said demographic economic migrants if crimes like this begin to skyrocket after they arrive in droves.

>>7207686
Pence is assassination insurance

>>7192992
Because Democrats are pants on head retarded when it comes to economics all the cities they govern will eventually go down like Detroit.

and republicans defend important rights like freespeech while democrats want hatespeech laws

>Why prevent other people from persecuting me if I can just gun them down with my assault rifle.
The gun does prevent people from persecuting me because no one likes being ventilated by high speed lead

>>7207768
Yeah if some crazy leftist manages to kill or they mange to impeach Trump, The now President Pence is really gonna put the hurt on every leftist ideal

>>7193041

I live in the UK and things are fine here, the immigration meme isn't real. London is just as multicultural as it always has been, haven't see any visible increase. Where I live is totally fine, it's the most liberal place in the UK and yet immigrant gangs don't run around raping people, everyone speaks English or at least tries to, the foreigners are just students who keep to themselves, it was 11/11 today and poppies have been out in full force, nobody burning them or banning them. Nobody is telling you what to think or say and the biggest threat are the odd chavs who don't realize it's not 2005 anymore...all good pretty much.

What's actually happening is that the immigrants can't gravitate towards big cities anymore because the property prices are too high so they're being spread evenly across the thousands of tiny villages and towns across the country where the little Englander pensioners aren't used to seeing non-whites and suddenly think we're being invaded. It just so happens that all the conservative MPs happen to come from these little hamlets and villages, they live off country lanes and do their shopping at Waitrose - outside of work their interaction with the rest of the world is between their car and the destination.

>>7192992
> Be Polish
Oh yea. Fuck those far right folks am I right lads?

>>7192992
>Why would you willingly give up part of your rights?
>t. anti-gun cuck

look faggot, if Trump removes military bases for europe like he wants to do with japan and korea youre on your fucking own against russia and ISIS

do you realize you cucks have been relying on NATO all this fucking time? why do you think USA military budget is so large?

>>7193140
its pretty much implicit

OP claims republicans oppose LGBT rights, those who actually do (not all of them) do it on christian religious grounds

arguments based around playing dumb make you look, well, dumb

I honestly don't think Trump actually cares about homos at all.

>>7210059
Do you honestly think Hillary does?

>>7210460
I meant that in a good way

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Are you seriously this afraid of Mike "Suck cock, get a shock" Pence?

For fucks sake, just find something else to focus your life around instead of the one small, insignificant detail of who you like to fuck.

I never understood why some people have a personality that solely consists of 'I'M GAY/LESBIAN/BISEXUAL! LOOK AT ME!'

Stop treating yourself like some special little snowflake that has to mention it's preferences every second sentence and just go on with your life.
Get rid of the stupid concept of a 'LGBT'-culture and watch people stop caring about what you do in the bedroom within a decade.

>>7192994

>marriage
>autonomy as a human being
>prevention from being fired or killed from people justifying it on Xianity

>>7192998

kys

>>7193005

How desperate

>>7193106
>>7193090

Love when conservatards are forced to evade the fact that being denied fundemental human rights is what Pence has in mind for you

>>7211624

Not wanting to be treated as a second class citizen is being "special snowflake" now.

You know, it's almost like conservatives are mindless robots. Almost sad

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>>7211624
>For fucks sake, just find something else to focus your life around

take your own advice and stop posting these threads.
we aren't btfo by trump.
many of us voted for him.
if you're looking for liberal tears go to reddit.

>>7211639
Funny, I've been gay for something around all my life and have never once felt like I'm a second-class citizen.

Maybe because I realise that there are nearly no times in a regular persons life where their sexuality matters to those around them who do not want to fuck them.
Maybe because liking dick is such a small part of my character that it does not define me to myself or others.

Would I like to donate blood? Yes, I have a rare blood type, I would like to help.
EU laws says I can't. That is shit and should be changed. I do not go around screaming about it, protesting and calling people names.
If it comes up, I make my opinion known and maybe someone can convince me otherwise or get's convinced themselves.

I do not scream 'DISCRIMINATION HATE CRIME HATE CRIME' like you fucks like to do and like the lovely people who are 'protesting' in the US are currently doing. It only alientes those who I would like to change their mind.

You do not convince people to change their ways by forcing your opinion on them and insulting them or calling them buzzwords.
You do it by showing them that you are not as different and strange as they think.
Why is that so hard to get?

>>7211671
Mate, if I were a US citizen I would have voted for Trump without a second thought no matter how much dick I sucked that day or the one before.

I just don't understand why there are so many people, some of them here, who are already moaning about how they will be shipped into containment camps where Trump himself will castrate them with a rusty knife to the cheers of evil white males.
The hysteria is ridiculous.

>>7211625
>>marriage
Even if the supreme court did reverse their decision on gay marriage, it would just get kicked back to the states. And most states in the country have already legalized it anyways, before the supreme court made their decision.

>>autonomy as a human being
Excuse me, what?

>>prevention from being fired or killed from people justifying it on Xianity
Examples please.
Also, the 'people justifying it on Xianity' is a legal defense for those being tried in murder cases, not an actual law allowing people to murder gays indiscriminately. It's like a retarded version of a guilty plea due to insanity.

trump was by far the lesser of 2 evils

>>7211672
It's hard for these types to understand because they've been digitally cloistered in their social media enabled echo chambers and they've swallowed the pill of cultural marxism.

>>7211672

So you're a pushover.

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>>7211711

- Pence wants to revert it regardless. Crazier shit has happened, so it's not unlikely

- Anti-abortion and anti-LGBT-rape-victims laws

- See the Freedom of Religion bullshit used to allow bullying in schools

>>7212266
>Pence wants to revert it regardless.
And I just explained that even if it was reversed it would be kicked back to the states which most have already legalized it anyways.

>Anti-abortion
That one is actually somewhat concerning.

>anti-LGBT-rape-victims laws
Citation needed.

>Freedom of Religion bullshit used to allow bullying in schools
Citation needed.

>>7211672
>Funny, I've been gay for something around all my life and have never once felt like I'm a second-class citizen.
>Would I like to donate blood? Yes, I have a rare blood type, I would like to help.
>EU laws says I can't.
That explains it, you're a yuropoor, and presumably a western or northern one at that. I don't think you quite understand the situation with the "bible belt" region of the US and gays. Go look up how gays are treated in eastern Europe and Russia, its kinda like that.

>>7212847
Just because a sizeable portion of the population in the bible belt region has negative attitudes towards gays doesn't mean that you are unequal before the law. Whereas in places like Russia they actually are, and there's actual institutional oppression occurring. There, they are actually second class citizens. Gays in these regions of the US, however, are being mistreated by individuals, not the government. There is a very real difference.

You can't legislate your way to make everyone like you and be nice to you just because you are different from them or "special" in some way. People will dislike and hate each other for any stupid reason imaginable. Trying to resolve that sort of thing through legislation doesn't make the problem go away overnight and only results in more animosity, not less. It just forces it underground and causes that sort of hatred and negativity to work like a pressure cooker; those people can only take so much institutional silencing till they resort to actual organized violence.

You've got to win hearts and minds baby, not threaten them with governmental force. Lucky for us, we are living in a time where our generation is far more accepting than those that came before, and I only see it get better as time goes on.

>>7192992
>"europe"
>"get swarmed with syrians and we're still fine."

Oh, yeah! Trannies are just being stoned to death by muslim immigrants.

But we're still fine! (NO WE ARE NOT!)

>STONING OF TRANSSEXUALS IN DORTMUND, Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Q0p2CAEcM

>NEW YEAR'S EVE - COLOGNE, Germany - GERMAN WOMEN WERE RAPED IN PUBLIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGubrL_meO4
This happenend in many major german cities. Not just Cologne!

>GERMAN GIRL TALKING ABOUT MUSLIM IMMIGRATION (turn on english subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGfP8CyJAhg


But naaah, we're totally fine!

>>7192992
Why would you want to have rights? Have some dignity, join a criminalist book club and throw grenades at police officers.

>>7206832
>voter ID laws which are specifically designed to stop certain demographics from voting
yeah everyone should be able to vote, including illegals, children, the dead, me several times over, chinese nationals living in china, animals, rocks, and fictitious entities because anything that doesn't favor the democratic party is racist

>>7211639
maybe you should stop being a second or third-class citizen if you didn't want to be treated like one you democratic herd animal subhuman

>>7213631
Every CITIZEN should be allowed to vote. The Republicans know that voter ID laws will prevent many legal citizens from voting, and that's why they push them so hard.

>>7213649
Oh yeah, being a second class citizen is a choice. Just like I chose to be born with severe birth defects and into a poor family. Thanks for enlightening me Anon, and showing me how to stop being a herd animal. I'm sure next morning I'll wake up as a billionaire olympic athlete.

>>7213744
And how do you prevent non-citizens from voting or from people from voting several times if you cannot identify the people voting? oh boo hoo I can't afford thirty buck ID card this is a genocide

your idea that you should be given anything for free is what makes you into a second-class citizen

i'm not saying you should work real hard, because hard work is also for subhumans

i'm saying there is a reason why the nobility in societies have almost always been the most powerful military forces, because you make YOURSELF a first-class citizen, not by complaints, not by hard work, not by some superior force, but by risking your life in warfare to put yourself on the top

the existence of slavery has always depended on the existence of people who fear death

you only want your comfortable gay bloodless life and that is why you are "oppressed". and hey, so do I, but that doesn't mean i don't have enough self-respect to feel a little bit of disgust for myself

>>7213744
>Every CITIZEN should be allowed to vote. The Republicans know that voter ID laws will prevent many legal citizens from voting, and that's why they push them so hard.
Then implement a system that automatically registers those born in the US to vote under "No Party Affiliation" when they become 18 years old. If a state requires photo ID then have that photo ID attached to their voter registration card. Boom. Problem solved.

Cause people are sick of faggots like you in charge Op. You left the gates open and now africans and arabs are running train on your women and destroying your society.

European leftism is sick, disgusting and WEAK. You Europeans are a SICK PEOPLE. You don't even fucking REPRODUCE anymore.

You are too sick with leftism to even think of fucking reproducing and continuing on your civilization. Which is why it will be handed to Muslims and Africans

>>7208379
Your government will FUCKING ARREST you if you speak out against Muslims or any vaguely "non-pc" thing about race, culture, and the direction of the British nation and ethnically English/Welsh/Scottish people (the only people who are true Britons.)

Your entire society is KEKED

>>7208379
You sound like all the stupid faggots on the American coasts belittling white people in the heartland as racists who need to "get out of the way" for beautiful multicultural America.

Youre such a fucking cuck man. Culturally that is.

>>7206774
American went from 85% white to less than 50% (projected 2035) in 50 fucking years m8.

You think it won't happen to you guys as well? You are demographically suicidal. How the fuck could it not? You don't even reproduce anymore. You are two stupid to even reproduce.

>>7192992
>>7192992
>there aren't enough muslims to kill you all
>this means we should bring in more
End your life.

>>7211624
>Get rid of the stupid concept of a 'LGBT'-culture and watch people stop caring about what you do in the bedroom within a decade.

Being gay has nothing to do with the bedroom. Having a relationship is an inherently human behavior; a lot of the things people do in their life revolves around attracting a mate.

A lot of your subconscious behaviour revolves around you advertising your heterosexuality to a potential mate. You don't notice yourself doing this because heterosexuality is the social norm.

If you don't take part in some kind of LGBT culture or advertise your gayness somehow you'd be hard pushed to find a partner.

>I'M STRAIGHT LOOK AT ME!!

Is literally everywhere and you don't even notice it because you think it's normal.

>>7192992
I know you liberal faggots are retarded but have you actually tried listening to Trump instead of your shit tier media echo chamber for once?
He hasn't said anything but supportive things about LGBT citizens. You're going to be wonderfully surprised after he takes office to find out he isn't actually the next Hitler.

>>7214952
>Your government will FUCKING ARREST you if you speak out against Muslims or any vaguely "non-pc" thing about race, culture

No they don't at all, Prince Philip would have been the first to go if that was the case. Maybe try living in the UK before you make some kind of Daily Mail judgement on what happens.

>>7214959
>You sound like all the stupid faggots on the American coasts belittling white people in the heartland as racists who need to "get out of the way" for beautiful multicultural America.

London has been multicultural right from the word go, in fact everyone in Britain is a mongrel of some description; there isn't any such thing as a 'pure' Englishman, we're all weird mixes of ancient heritage.

Nobody has to 'get out of the way' for multicultural London, it's always been multicultural, just like the whole damn island. I'm not surprised you have trouble grasping it in America; you're still a very young country. There's a bench down the road from me older than your founding fathers and its no monument.

>>7211624
>find something else to focus your life around instead of the one small, insignificant detail of who you like to fuck.
If only other people didn't give such an enormous fuck about who I sleep with.

I have to thread on eggshells and avoid any mention of "boyfriend" lest I absolutely trigger every straighty in a 5 mile radius with my absolute rampant faggotry, all the while having to hear every gross detail about how straighty caught genital warts from his girl.

>>7211723
This, tbqh.

>>7208379
>Where I live is totally fine, it's the most liberal place in the UK and yet immigrant gangs don't run around raping people,

Thousands, I believe it was 3500, of underaged Brittish girls were raped and abused by Paki rape gangs. London has become a rape capital that rivals Stockholm.You people are insane and so very indoctrinated.

>>7211672
>Would I like to donate blood? Yes, I have a rare blood type, I would like to help.
Well you shouldn't.
>That is shit and should be changed.
Absolutely not.

Same goes for organ donation anyway.
If you're gay you should have a permanent ban on donations of all kinds.

>>7218153
>Thousands, I believe it was 3500, of underaged Brittish girls were raped and abused by Paki rape gangs.

I should mention that this happened in Rotterdam, and was what the scandal in 2015 was about. It was also covered up by the police because they didn't wan't to be called racist.

>>7218181
>Rotterdam
WRONG COUNTRY ASSHAT

>>7218181
*Rotherham

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>>7192992
compared to getting culturally enriched, other problems are trivial

>>7218153
>Thousands, I believe it was 3500, of underaged Brittish girls were raped and abused by Paki rape gangs. London has become a rape capital that rivals Stockholm.

Wow you're an idiot. First of all, it was Rotherham - not London you moron. Secondly, the figure was not anywhere near 3000 - it was 1400 and this is over a course of nearly 20 years - investigations began in 1997.

Also, they weren't all rapes - the 1400 figure includes all girls involved with the scandal in someway, whether they were groomed, molested or even had consensual sex, plus many were acting as prostitutes. Keep in mind that the age of consent is 16 here, there's no 'Statutory rape' here and everyone under 18 is considered a child.

But you know, don't let facts and poor geography get in the way of a good shitpost.