/HRTGen/ HRT General 016: Constant estrogen will make my skin

>>7146587
How long do I need to be on 50mg bicalutamide before stopping 200mg spironolactone? Just started bicalutamide a few days ago.

How long do I have to be on hrt before I give up and take my own life?

>>7147519
2 years

>>7147519
>>7147918
And how long do I have to give up dick function before I realize hrt was a mistake?

>>7147971

You may as well be consistent.

Sometimes I think /lgbt/'s tgirls are 99% just autogynephiliacs in denial. Just look at OP's image.

>>7148112
the majority of trans girls on /lgbt/ have agp as their dysphoria etiology
they're on fucking 4chan, there aren't many girls here and half the boards are dedicated to anime porn, why would they be anything else?
the ratio of csts to agp for mtfs here is about the same as the ratio of femanons to guys on most boards
but that doesn't make them not trans

Beginning Self-med here.
I hear I need to start anti-androgens for a while before beginning oestrogen, is that true? If so, for how long?
And with upping the intake over time, are we talking over like a few months or a year?

I have read the links in OP but unless I'm severely retarded, I can't see the answers in there

>>7148112
>It's the "if you wan to look like a girl you're agp and not trans" meme.

>>7147946
>wanting dick function

Anything special I have to do to order from QHI to Scotland?

>>7148167
>AGP as dysphoria etiology
That's news to me. I have mild AGP too, never thought of it as dysphoria, as I'm just fine with my body and doubt I'd be happier throughout *daily life* with a female body.

>csts
What's that?

>doesn't make them not trans
The whole "trans" umbrella is a clusterfuck anyway. Well, it's like "intersex" I guess, where it's very unclear which fringe DSDs do and don't make you intersex. E.g. I have subcoronal hypoplasias. Nobody would ever think I'm not simply male, but technically it's a DSD so technically I could be considered intersex. Technically.

Shit's confusing.

[spoiler]MtF aren't female/girls/women either way though.[/spoiler]

How would someone get on Finasteride the official route? Is that something a dermatologist would do or your doctor?

>>7148646
You could probably go to your doctor and tell them you're concerned about hair loss and ask if there are options and suggest finasteride if they have no idea.

>>7148167
What is cst? I get that it means "trutrans" in this context but what does it stand for.

>>7149375
I'm guessing that they made a typo when writing hsts, which means "homosexual transexual".

>>7148500
>>7149375
>>7149490

That anon uses CSTS to mean classic transsexual.

>>7148112
>autogynephiliacs
paedophiles aren't paedophiliacs. think harder?

>>7149507
Hm, so what is the "dysphoria etiology" of a "classic transsexual"? I feel like this is not as much of a binary distinction as they believe.

Do I have to exercise my penis from the beginning for best SRS results? Can I just let it shrink and then start exercising it again when I'm ready?

>>7149556
Whoa, careful with that passive aggression.

>>7149860
how am i being passive aggressive? does passive aggression mean anything other than what passive aggression means?

>>7149978
Like the post made you angry so you took your anger out at a silly spelling mistake because there wasn't anything else in the post you could actually criticize.

I have a question, I heard bicalutamide lets you keep your fertility, but I've also been taking progynova, would the progy be enough to make me sterile?

Are estrogen injections really better? I fucking hate needles...

>>7150317
I'm guessing no since bica doesn't cause infertility on it's own, and it causes higher levels of oestrogen in the body anyway as a secondary effect of it's mechanism, and since progy is metabolised directly into oestrogen the higher oestrogen levels in the body shouldn't lead to infertility

>>7150474
Placebo effect from a big ass needle in your leg

>>7150474
I hope not. I almost pass out when I have to get bloodwork done.

>>7150935
They're IM though
You feel 0 pain
All you need to do is get used to needeles

>>7151053
I don't even care what it is, if it pierces my skin I will cry.

Where is everybody getting bica these days? I'm assuming not from a doctor, because good luck even getting fucking cypro from a doctor. It's so damn expensive everywhere I've looked.

>>7149594
i don't think it's a binary, i don't even think those are the only two groups (i can also clearly define a 'homosexual transsexual' in a different sense to how blanchard used the word, and can vaguely perceive an 'auto*phobic' category as a sort of variant on a*p but don't have enough evidence to conclude it exists, and think of the categories as somewhat more of a spectrum than discrete groupings)
the definite cause of csts dysphoria can't really be pinned down because for most it onsets so young, and even the variant csts group who it kicks in later for still experience it very young
it probably has something to do with neurological sex, which the best evidence for exists in the research groups that are mostly coterminous with csts (most research groups are really blanchard-inspired two-type stuff so it's hard to draw really solid conclusions once you realize there are multiple)

>>7151053
It wasn't from the blood loss, it was from the needles themselves. Spent about twenty minutes hyperventilating after my bloodwork. I'm such a pansy it's not even funny

>>7147971
They don't care. You don't even need to scan it in, a photo should be fine.
But aren't they going to see your real name anyways by the way you paid?

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Once and for all:
Is there any benefit in taking Progynova (Estradiol valerate) sublingual?
I've read that some people got higher E levels that way, because at least some of the Estradiol gets absorbed before passing the liver, but on the other hand i've heard that it has to pass through the liver first in order to work.
As long as it doesn't do any damage, should i try and waste my time by taking it sublingually?

I'm planning to order some bica and proginova from assetchemist. But I'm a bit confused as to how to start since I heard that for tge first month one should only take the AA. Is that really important? And what would be good dosages for a femboy look?

>>7152873
NO THERES NO BENEFIT

>>7152873
no benefit, only drawbacks because it takes like an hour for it to dissolve properly and then youre gonna swallow most of it anyway
do not recommend

>>7150723

I think you mean a choice-supportive bias.

>>7149375
Counterstrike: Trans 'Ssault

>>7149773
its easier to maintain size than trying to get it back. If it does shrink erections and masturbation can become more painful

>>7151415
buy it online. The trick to cut cost is to take it every other day

Is spiro really that terrible?


Cypro vs Spiro?


I'm poor and would rather go with the cheaper option but if spiro is significantly worse than cypro or will give me cone tits or something I'll pay the extra.

>>7157353
spiro: might have some negative impact on breast formation (but does not appear to cause true conetits, which most of the people on this board don't have even when they think they do), mildly screws with potassium
cypro: has some positive impact on breast formation (which can be reproduced without the side effects by adding progesterone), can cause neuropsychological sequelae and hepatotoxicity (can be fatal)
i recommend spiro but both kind of suck, your best bet is to remove testosterone production entirely (orchi or srs) as soon as you can viably access surgery

>>7157353
Spiro is shit
Cypro is less shit
Best option is cut your balls off

>>7157353
My T levels are completely nuked on just finasteride and standard Estrogen doses

>>7150474
no, it's a meme

>>7152873
there's no reason not to. at worst you will just swallow it

>>7154526
not true. takes like 5-10 minutes at most. hemihydrate is the one that takes forever

>>7146587
Where do I buy all this shit if I'm UK and don't want to be cucked by customs?

>>7157706
Yeah, thats also what i thought. I was just hoping that maybe there were some more people who noticed an improvement.

>>7157869
Isn't qhi.co.UK from the UK? Just sayin'

>>7157954
yeah I noticed, it's just that they don't have the stuff that's recommended in op's pic

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>>7157970
Yeah unfortunately they are out of Estrofem since quite a while. So i just hope that Progynova will do just as fine.
Unfortunately it's the only shop that ships to my country...


Btw. Does anyone know if there is a difference between Estrofem and Estrifam?

>>7157994
dude stop worrying about brand names and read what it actually is

>>7158004
Yeah it's the same, but why does it have different names and looks so similar?

>>7158034
because it's the same

>>7157994
>>7158004
>>7158034
>>7158053
What about for anti-androgens tho? They only have finasteride and Spironolactone. The latter is supposedly weak according to the op pic and the other one isn't even mentioned so idk

>>7158073
I used spiro first, but i got hyperkalemia, so i switched to cypro and i feel like it's working way better anyways.

So i would recommend cypro, but i wouldn't waste my money on androcur, because it's the same as the regular cypro just more expensive. I dunno why they offer both.

>>7158073
pls at least read the wiki page of any med you consider taking or don't understand what it does.
if all you have available is spiro it will work but i would suggest you switch as soon as you can

>>7158034
Left is german packaging, right is australian packaging.

is that https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu really safe? i see a bunch of reviews of it saying its a fraud site

>>7158259
ordered from there multiple times.

>>7158259
I've been ordering from there for years, every order placed has arrived.

>>7158410
it won't do anything unless you take extremely high doses which in turn increases the risk of side effects greatly

should i start out on just AAs and then do AA + Estrogen?

If you want to make yourself and your parents happy you don't need Hrt you need bleach, drink a bottle or two and do the world a favour

>>7159311
You can do that to make it easier to detect if anything causes complications but other than that i don't think it's necessary and doing that for too long causes osteoporosis

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I'm doing the starvation to underweight then gaining back weight on estrogen route.

How long should I wait after I start hrt before I start pigging out for the best fat distribution?

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CYPRO IS NO JOKE

Ive been self meddling 50mg daily and went from high male range to nuked T in only 2 months.

Thank you inhouse :)

>>7162837
Nice, good to see such great results! I recently got on Inhouse's Cypro too, so that put me in a good mood to see

I ran across this possible injectable estrogen.
Estradurin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyestradiol_phosphate
>IM injection
>slowly releases estrogen, The mean terminal half-life of PEP has been found to be 70 days with a single 320 mg intramuscular dose of the drug.
>looks like a monthly dose of only 50 to 100mg per month would provide a good E2 level beyond the half year point.
>With the long half life, a missed month isn't drastic.
>available in only a few European countries
>not sold in the US anymore
>same contraindications as other forms of estradiol

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Hi, /lgbt/, first time here, don't bully.

Is it possible to self-med in Europe? I've heard about online pharmacies, which can write prescriptions themselves. I'd also like to know if there are any polfags lurking here, I'm curious about legal issues when importing medications to Poland.

>>7160600
until you levels are within female range

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>>7162837
>switch to cypro 50mg from spiro 200mg
>random boners start coming back after not having them for years
Th-this is normal right?

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>on my way to get informed consent
>nervous as fuck
I should basically just explain how I feel right? Or are there buzzwords and things the Dr is expecting to hear. The last thing I could bare right now is someone telling me I'm to old or not trans just crazy.

>>7163773
Yes it's possible. I'm from germany and order from qhi and i guess it won't be any different in former germany

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testosterone is better

How to self-med on South-America?

>>7160600
I hope getting a head start on the feminine fat distribution that you would get anyway is worth the permanent skeletal masculinisation from waiting to start HRT.

Why do people do this?

>>7164803
Explain how you feel and sound like you know what you want and understand the risks. That's what makes it "informed consent". Buzzwords aren't necessary, but knowing the effects of the drugs and basic terminology like "dysphoria" and what not is important (though probably still not strictly necessary.

Informed consent isn't a gatekeeping-based service. They're not judging whether you're trans, just whether you're capable of taking the treatment and not suing them or killing yourself with it or something.

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So, I'm pre HRT, hopefully I'll get on it sometime this year.

I've been looking into herbal stuff/supplements, and have unanimously concluded that they are either bullshit, unsafe, or would be more expensive than HRT.

I did stumble on Spearmint Tea though. It's apparently very effective as an anti androgen of a sort to reduce levels of testosterone in the blood stream, but not overall levels apparently. It's also very good for clearing acne apparently.

Has anyone used this before? I wouldn't expect a miracle, I have no delusions about it having more than a tiny effect. If it reduces body hair growth rates by a tiny bit, and improves my skin I would consider it a victory.

>>7167334
I did not use it for an extended period of time, so I don't know the long-term effects, sorry. I would not consider it worth the money, based on what I have seen and read.
Eating less/no red meat is probably a good thing to start with if you want to reduce blood testosterone levels.

>>7164500
well i'm on cypro with nuked T and still get bonners,ro takes time to get rid of bonners, if you have just switched i wouldnt worry about it

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>>7146587
so how would this be be for pre-HRT? can buy everything pictured locally from walmart
>Saw palmetto $7
>Spearmint tea $4 for 2 boxes
>Pueraria Mirifica $11
should I expect much, or all placebo?
19 now and have been drinking spearmint tea religiously since I was 16 since both my grandfather & father started hairloss/balding at around 17 while they were still in highschool, but my hairline still hasn't budged while I'm turning 20 in a month.

>>7168410
You could just stop wasting money and self-med.

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>>7165095
>former germany
Well, I live in western Poland, so it's 100% accurate. Thank, anon

>>7168759
I wish there were more online pharmacies that deliver to germany, though. Qhi is quite slow and the site looks like it hasn't been updated since 1996, maybe you're lucky and inhousepharmacy or alldaychemist ship to poland, but i haven't tried those obviously so i don't know if they're faster and they have weird payment options if i recall right, so good luck.

>>7168410
Well you should continue to drink peppermint tea, since it's healthy, cheap and tasty anyways, but really i wouldn't waste my money on those "natural products" if you could just order the real the thing.

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Mtf gf is taking cypro and progynova. Has no sex drive at all, like never. Wat do? Should she reduce cypro dose?

pic related, me.

>>7148205

>I hear I need to start anti-androgens for a while before beginning oestrogen, is that true? If so, for how long?

Not necessary really. It might help you determine which meds give you any negative side effects you might experience though. 1 month would be fine but it's not a big deal.

>And with upping the intake over time, are we talking over like a few months or a year?

Few months.

>>7148205
>>7169244

I mean up in in increments every few months or so. You should get a blood test if you're planning to up them far beyond average levels though, to see if you really need it and see if your health is fine and such.

>>7169198
Omg that pic's frekkin hilarious

Sorry about your predicament buddy

>>7169198
She could look into adding progesterone into her regimen.

>>7169198
Take it too and the problem is solved.

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not sure if this is the right place to post but do I have a chance? pre anything, just seeing a therapist right now. pics are a little old but I just got a horrible chad haircut by accident so there's no way in hell I'm taking a selfie lol

I underweight the Captain America procedure

Vita rays make you a real man

>>7169640
Maybe you should ask in /passgen/ over here >>7154830

planning on getting hormones for the first time, and i'm trying to follow the guide in the op but I want to be as safe as possible. I plan on using spiro, but idk how to decide between estrofem and progynova. can prog fuck up your liver? how would I know if my livers getting fucked? also, might be a dumb question, but step 4 means that i take 2mg of estrogen in the morning then another 2 at night, right? then after a month i make that 4 in the morning and 4 at night? thx

>>7171956
cypro fucks up your liver more than progynova does, and i was 1 year on 50mg cypro with perfect results on the liver test
just don't drink too much and you're beyond fine

>>7171977
awesome

wait, so i SHOULDN'T drink too much? aren't i supposed to drink a ton of water so i don't dehydrate?

>>7171994
I think anon meant drinking alcohol.

>>7146587
>morning and night
wait what, i thought estrofem was to be taken once per day same with spiro
its third day only so no real harm, is this true

>>7172009
your assumption is correct

Does anyone know where can I buy bica in EU, without prescription?

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>>7172035
anyone
[spoiler]help[/spoiler]

>>7172043
>>7172009
ah, got it
so does that mean I can't get super drunk one night a month? does it only apply if you use it often?

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Future endocrinologist here. I won't provide medical advice on the interwebs, but I'm actually pretty impressed with the work you girls do, I've got to say. Hoping to do hormones professionally as part of my practice eventually, and I've actually recorded a lot of your tips and tricks to possibly add to my practice someday, since there isn't a whole lot of stuff out there for a doctor like myself to learn from and what little there is tends to be very conservative. Might even try to do some research studies down the line to create better protocols. /HRTGen/ might very well be helping more people than you realize, keep up the good work.

>>7172064
Morning and night works just fine depending on your dosage. Typically its 100mg spiro / 2mg estrogen in the morning, then again the same dosage at night.

>>7168410
If you're looking for something just to eat and voila you become a girl then herbs won't do that. However, if you want a decent 5-AR inhibitor you should look at red reishi mushroom rather than saw palmetto. Saw Palmetto has been largely disproven to inhibit 5-AR or help BPH. Red reishi is a really good nootropic but it also inhibits 5-AR a bit, but it's not quite equivalent to pharmaceuticals unless you eat a ton, but it's actually fairly potent in mice studies.
You can also buy standardized extracts of coumestrol and soy isoflavones if you want a huge dose of phytoestrogens to see the effect. Though it would probably cost a lot and take like a year and wouldn't quite be like normal HRT. Pueraria mirifica really doesn't have that much phytoestrogen in it and I've heard like 90% of products on the market aren't even PM anyway.

But phytoestrogens aren't estrogen. They're endocrine disrupters. They exert most of their effects on steroidogenesis in your body. They can't outright replace estrogen in the body. But they could probably chemically castrate you over a long time. But at 20 years old I would say don't bother. If you're like 14 phyto's would be pretty effective at staving off male puberty though.
A lot of the concern about phytoestrogen is that they mess around with your steroid enzymes and they have very high binding affinity for estrogen receptors (they do different things at those receptors though). It's hypothesized that the rise in phytoestrogen consumption might be to blame for dropping sperm counts worldwide.

I'd say at best with phyto's what you would achieve is possibly testicular atrophy and a bit of gyno if you took a consistently high dose, from a good supplier that actually standardizes their product so you know for sure you're actually getting them in your body every day, and you took it for like many years.

>>7172067
idk desu, i used to drink pretty heavily at one point, i was very scared it would damage my liver badly but it turned out fine

>>7169198
Bicalutamide

are there any legitimate reasons not to self med, like legal ramifications? does self medicating effect eligibility to get official prescriptions in the future?

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>>7172140
Thanks anon :D

>>7172707
Won't affect your ability to get legal scripts in the US, but possessing meds that aren't legal cab get you busted of police feel like being dicks. Luckily must drugs on the mtf side of things aren't really closely monitored, so (while I'm not recommending it) you probably won't go to jail or anything in the United States.

>>7173545
Y.. you too :D

how do get money for meds before hips fuse

>>7175796
Job.
Camwhoring.
Sugar daddy.
Loan.

>>7175808
school doesn't let me
too ugly
^
sounds like a bad financial decision

might just tutor kids; thanks for the help nonetheless

>>7175820
Can you not get a part-time job at all? HRT isn't hugely expensive so that can cover it if you don't need to spend much on anything else. Tutoring pretty much counts as a job anyway.

I'd value getting on HRT early very highly as far as deciding what counts as a bad financial decision. Student loans are low interest and may be an option, depending on what you're doing and how much excess you can get.

>>7175854
I've only ever worked one job and it was at McDonald's where they gave 8 hour shifts every weekend on both days which are not really compatible with doing school work at the same time.

How long after starting should you get your bloodwork and levels checked?

E levels came back kinda low but in female range, would going from 6mg to 8mg be too risky?

So is QHI ever going to get estrofem in stock?

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I keep hearing this shit about how being on a caloric deficit (burning more calories than you consume, for example eating 2000 calories in a day but burning 2500) permanently impedes breast development. "Permanently" being the key word.

Is there any truth to this AND is there a point when you can safely lose weight without doing permanent damage?

I really don't want to gain much more weight, I'm already 200lbs. I had plans to lose a ton over the next 6 months but I'm beginning HRT next week and don't want to fuck over breast development.

Obviously breasts are fat and losing weight will make them smaller, but I assume this is referring to development of the buds right?

I'm really stressing over this and could appreciate an answer because /mtfg/ seems incapable of providing one.

>>7178484
I've done a heavy caloric deficit for 3-4 months, and so far they have grown back slightly larger than they were before losing my weight. I can't say what 6 months would do, but if you are really worried then maybe starting HRT after your weight goals are achieved might calm you down. Dieted down from 130 to 105 to get rid of gross boy muscle and oh was I a skeleton

>>7178484
If it's any consolation, I went from about 163lbs to 147lb over the course of the first 4 months of HRT and I was on low dose (100mg spiro, 1.5mg estradiol). My grandparents are rather flat, my sister is a 30A and my mom isn't that big either despite being overweight. The results? I definitely can't wear a t-shirt anymore without getting looks. My mtf friend thinks I have nearly B cups. They're cone as fuck for B cups but that's to be expected. I'd call bullshit on just a casual calorific deficit.

If you're going to go on starvation mode you're definitely going to fuck yourself because your body doesn't have enough energy to do what it needs to do.

Just fucking do it, Anon.

>>7178524
>if you are really worried then maybe starting HRT after your weight goals are achieved might calm you down
This was the plan until I hit a sever wave of depression and begun having genuine suicidal thoughts, that's never happened before and it's scaring the shit out of me. I need to put an end to this now.

I'm 200lbs but like 6'3 so it's not like I'm overweight. Just I will be if I gain anymore. My plan was to lose weight until I'm like really skeletal, like around 130. Start HRT. Then slowly work my way up to like 150-160.

But if I'm going to be starting HRT now, I'm not sure if that's a good idea anymore. I'd still like to be a lot thinner than I am now, but I really don't want to do anything that hurts breast development in a permanent way.

Having decent sized breasts are like, an integral part of making my dysphoria go away.

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Has anyone had recent correspondence with assetchemist? I ordered for the first time just over a month ago, and nothing has arrived, despite marked order being marked dispached/completed on the website.

They are yet to responded to an email I sent early last week. I'm worried that my email is being sent to their junk mail folder, or something.

Should it be taking this long?

>>7178484
I've done a lot of hardcore caloric deficit (think 0-1000 cal/day) and they only ever kept growing, and they're bigger than what most people get, which is funny because I'm a femboy ._.

>blood tests
what exact tests need to be done

>>7180516
what country

>>7181112

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>>7181112
>>7181176

*Australia

>>7181105
The info is on the op image

>>7181223
which testosterone though

>>7181223
and which estradiol

>>7181230
testosterone is testosterone mate unless you're worried about DHT too but that should gradually come down over time with T

>>7181250
there is testosterone total, free, and bioavailable
and estradiol and estradiol free

>>7181261
When you get a blood test to check E and T they'll give you the total and free you don't need to be specific with them

>>7181299
not from my last test results
i also got memed into total serum estrogen which does not break it down

>>7178574
>I'd still like to be a lot thinner than I am now, but I really don't want to do anything that hurts breast development in a permanent way.
The delay on starting HRT will have the same or greater effect on breast growth as losing weight while on HRT. At the very least you can just maintain the same weight.

It's never worth waiting to start HRT to lose weight.

Is it even possible to convince me these people aren't the worst and give every trans person a bad name?
>We Asked Trans People Who Aren’t Medically Transitioning What They Want People To Know
https://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/still-valid?utm_term=.rewGBg5VK#.px7q4mDMx

The only reason I can think of not doing it is if you already pass as comfortably as you could already. But inevitably, that would become a lost cause and you should have done it and now the damage is done. I'm not just ranting about MTF's. I've met some FTMs who best case scenario if they ever stop being faggots and take their medicine will just become a doughy men who dress and act like 15 year old boys and have huge overweight middle-aged woman asses.

Yes, their "identity is valid" and I'll use he/she/they but if no one can tell (ftm) or you just look like a transvestite into it for the sexual kicks instead of a a transgender (mtf) then no one is going to "get" what you're going for.

I read a story of a young MTF who just passed without it because of some kind of bone, growth and hormonal condition but she was an exceptional case. Why the fuck wouldn't you?

I was surrounded by these types at my support group but I could never understand why. They could give me bullshit reasons but I just don't understand why you wouldn't be all over being less dysphoric and have people instinctively treat you like the right gender without wanting to laugh at you.

I'm 5 months in and you couldn't pry my hrt from my cold, dead tranny hands.

>>7172140
Godspeed, anon.

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Serious question, but have you femboys ever considered castration? Been on hormones since 20, 22 now, digging the aesthetics and happy to stop buying AAs.

>>7182960
I want it done yup but its $3000 at the cheapest, and I need to save up.

>>7182996
Nice Anon - considering Dr. Arnkoff?

>>7183038
Exactly! Small drive from Chicago Illinois to Michigan, but well worth it even just to save my liver from eventually failing from the blockers.

Quick Question: If I take bica and have a laser appointment would not taking any bica two days before the appointment work so that there won't be any risk due to bica increasing photosensitivity?

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>>7168410
>>7172306
How much shrinkedge should I expect if I were to take Pueraria Mirifica?
Like if I got a 7" dick & dont really feel like parting with that quite yet; would there be any other way to redistribute fat and not loose penis size? Don't care for my nuts, they could fall off for all I care, but still like using my dick.

>>7185768
Your penis never shrinks. It can only temporarily lose elasticity. It's not a muscle though, it's vascular tissue. It might appear smaller after long stretches of impotency but it will bounce right back if you have erections again since the tissue will quickly stretch back to normal.

But as I said though, phytoestrogens are just endocrine disrupters. They don't behave like HRT does. I'd say most of their effects aren't even on estrogen receptors, it's on your enzymes. Especially stuff like 5-alpha-reductase and 17B-HSD.
If they are going to do anything at all it's not going to happen any time soon, and it might be unpredictable.
Sure people take herbs and get "tits" but it's really just gyno because of the enzyme inhibition creating a pseudo-castration like effect. There's only a few documented cases in medical journals of this and guys were consuming like 200-300mg/day of isoflavones for like a year straight (which is a fuckton of soy). Then they got a bit of gyno and sexual dysfunction and it all went away when they stopped eating soy.
There are also quite a few documented cases of soy use pre-puberty and during puberty, especially when your body weight is low and they exert quite a dramatic effect on sexual development. In adults, not so much.

If you want to transition then don't bother with herbs unless you want the health benefits of them perhaps.

>>7180516
I don't know if I should order more from somewhere else - I only have a three
week supply of bicalutamide left.

i have been on cypro for like 3 years

can i just stop taking it at this point?

>>7186606
Whats your dose like and do you have recent-ish levels?

>>7186610
25mg and it has been 0.1< since forever

>>7180516
Why didn't you read their latest reviews?

>>7186993
And here I was hoping to order from them since they are the cheapest and provide a prescription

>>7186993
Thanks anon.

I ordered on the fourth of October, before those reviews, but I know that they're a legit company from people on here. I wonder what's going on,

I guess my next best hope is QHI, maybe? They haven't been returning my emails either. Does anyone here have a good word to say about them?

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>>7148353
Hello friend

So is 250pg/ml estrogen really enough? Does it just cause being hormonal on levels above that?

Also, could anything cause a blood test to read my estrogen higher than it actually is? I applied my patch (I know) on a Sunday morning and took my blood test Monday before noon. So I can't see it reading as a false peak.

>>7187392
i have ordered three times from qhi and the first time when i needed to sign the form its took maybe 3 weeks after ordering to get it
the other two times it took 2 weeks
no problems with qhi, can recommend
i have a legit script now though so i haven't ordered from them in months

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can someone please walk me through taking these hormones because I'm a dummy

I got

100mg tablets progynova
2mg spiro

when do I take them
how often do I take them
how many do I take

please help I just want to be a gorl ;_;

>>7189948
you mixed them up dumbo

2 mg e a day
100 mg spiro a day

u can increase estrogen after a while idk look it up

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Does anyone know what specific stuff I should be looking for when trying to get a blood test in the UK

like what do I need to ask for

also I'm in London so if someone actually knows just a decent clinic they could recommend i'd love you very much tyty

>>7196773
its in OP image, bottom right

>>7146587
how high do i need to get my estrogen and prolactin to make myself lactate?

>>7185946
Out of interest do you think estradiol can fight hair loss by regrowing hair?

halp

my total estrogen level was at 1300pg/ml (not estradiol, total estrogen)
doctor is saying this needs to be <200

1300 is high, but aren't the other estrogens not important?

are there any actual citations for the best levels being post-pubertal female levels? why is it accepted that this is correct for trans women?

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>>7146587
Hey there, plebs and plebbettes. So i got an IM Estradiol injection today, is the injection site supposed to hurt and shit and be red. I got it done by a doctor and not a nurse, and it doesn't feel like nothing. Is this normal.

>>7148167
I think you're on to something. Prior to hrt I was very isolated, no female friends. With no real idea how girls acted I wonder if all these junk media filled the void because I was super AGP and cringey in my own head for a while. As I became more social and interacted more with women it started dying down. I still getting manhandled and demeaned but it's not the same thing anymore.

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>>7200138
Just realize that if someone is judging you for something, it's probably their fault you're there in the first place. I'd say just stick to videogames and wholesome straight/bi guys, who aren't weird fetishits, if you don't want to become a weird fetishist. DESU gamer dudes make the best husbandos, ontop of the fact that they have the same interests as me, they're more into cuddling and violent anime than sex just like me as well.

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>>7200176
Btw don't fucking call me ugly, I'm 26 - _ -. I look like an andro 26 yo woman :(.

>>7199419
Not directly. A 5-AR inhibitor like finasteride would be better.
But before anti androgens became commonplace in mtf treatments they only prescribed high levels of estradiol and inevitably it caused testicular atrophy enough to be equivalent to antiandrogens.
So yeah estradiol will, but a 5-AR inhibitor will do it better, and a normal antiandrogen will be the next best.

>>7200060
No it's definitely not.
If it's an infection and turns into an abscess definitely see a doctor.

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Hrt

hardcore repression time

>>7163564
they offer it to trannies here in sweden but my endo says its a very outdated medication and that by the end of the month your levels will be low, so you start out high when you inject and they it will fall very low

>>7200196
>andro 26 yo woman
you just look like a boy. are you on hrt?

>>7202090
Better than being manly, I'll take what is offered :/.

alright, hrtgen, redpill me on progesterone

>>7149375
it's one autist who refers to trutrans as "csts"
don't encourage it

>>7204371
How do you pronounce that? Cistis. Cississtissis? Cissytissy?

>>7204380
just don't worry about it. if you really want to know, take it to its containment thread

>>7146587
Ok so I dunno if i'm being paranoid but I started taking spiro and progynova recently

100mg and 2mg

I swear after I take them I feel like my head starts hurting a tiny bit, but I'm not sure if I'm just paranoid because I read that it can give you blood clots and stuff and it's really scaring me HELP

>>7204655
I've never experienced anything like that, I've been on 200mg spiro / 4mg progynova per day

Do you smoke or anything like that? Cus you should quit, that _will_ give you blood clots combined with HRT. I think weed is still okay, though

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>1mg finasteride for 5 months
>200mg spiro + 4mg estradiol for 4 months

>hairline looks as shit as ever

With my bangs it isn't visible, but I still want to off myself

>>7206168
Give it time, my shedding phase on fin has only just stopped recently and i've been on it for a little over a year.

Femboy here...
Why the raloxifine?
Why the tamoxifine?
If you're on estrogen instead of bicalutamide, won't you get tits no matter what else you take?

>>7206243
It's crazy how some people are so sensitive to fina whereas others aren't. Like guys taking it for MPB have basically castrated themselves in a month whereas others take it for years with no effects.

>>7207503
Raloxifine is a selective oestrogen receptor modulator (SERM), which in this case basically means it has the effects of oestrogen without making you grow tits. You do not take this in lieu of bicalutamide; you take both. You always take an antiandrogen (bicalutamide in this case) if you're taking an oestrogen, otherwise it won't work except in extremely high doses.

I don't know what tamoxifene is but from the name I assume it's another SERM.

I've been self medding with Spiro for a year and a half. I'm going to get a doctor to prescribe me something better thru informed consent but I'm not certain what I should say to him to make sure I get the best anti androgen I can. I'm looking for something like cypro or bica right? What's the best estrogen?

>>7207585
If you're sure you want to transition fully then Cypro is your best bet, if you want to keep your penis functioning in case you change your mind or are a femboy you'll want bica. If you're in the US getting cypro will be very hard since it's not FDA approved, although if you're lucky and talk it over with your endo they might be able to let you get it through a canadian pharmacy. Getting bica will be easier but still potentially difficult since it's not as established, and honestly unless you really hate spiro's side effects or are worried about breast development not going well staying on it is fine. As for estrogen just get whatever is most convinient, it's all pretty much the same stuff besides how you take it.

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>>7146587
It's day 29. Assetchemist still hasn't delivered the Cypro I ordered.

I swear I build up the courage to order meds and this happens. Is this wait time normal? Should I contact them?

>>7208210
Apparently a lot of people have been having problems with orders from assetchemist recently

>>7208210
It's not normal. They have some problems, so you should probably order from QHI.

Can I switch between estrofem and progynova without any problems? Or do I need to prepare for it first?

how do i even order bica and ralox from qhi??

>>7208300
Fuck I already paid. I don't have enough money to pay for the same meds twice so quickly. Is it still possible to cancel my order and possibly get my money back?

>>7208312
Email them about it and they'll send you the prices. You can then print the order form and put the drug and amount you need at the bottom of the form, under custom orders. After you fill in the necessary details, you email them the form.

>>7208260
Shit. Is QHI still good?

>>7208370
Yes. just chargeback them.

>tfw really want to get on hrt but too stupid and irresponsible to understand how to manage dosages and would probably get self killed somehow

>>7208834
Yeah I feel the same. Ordered them anyways though cause screw it.

>>7208900
>>7208834

why don't you just see a real doctor about it you plebs

>>7209185
cause I don't have a car and nobody in this town will prescribe anything

>>7208375
what are their rates for bicalutamide usually

I read the anime girl guides in the OP, I think I want to go on bica, it says you can wait a day between doses (at 25mg) can someone explain how that works

do you get 50mg pills split them in half then take one half every 2 days? can you do this from the start?

- MtF Albino Edition

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>>7209393
Whoops.. fix'd

anyone bought meds from alldaychemist, im trying but I cant figure out the payment methods, sorry if thats retarded.

can you not just use VISA? has anyone used the epayworks thing? I have no clue what it is or how its supposed to work, is it even trustworthy?

>>7209469
Interesting, never heard of glutathione before

>>7151198
God you faggots annoy me.

>>7209185
Don't most places require the "real life experience" before they let you have hormones?

>>7210834
Depends on the country, and then on the individual clinic. I've not heard of anywhere in the USA enforcing it, and I know some places in the UK enforce it only on a case-by-case basis. You should just look up your local clinics and see what they say about it.

>>7209212
"Bicalutamide 50mg Tablets packs of 28's 18.49 Euro"
Quote is from the 25.7.2016

>>7209264
Yes.
You can also just take one every four days because of the 1 week long half-life.
In a medical sense a medication stops working when it has passed it's half-life 4 times.

>>7150474
They are better in the sense that they give you relatively stable levels compared to pills. Patches do the same but they don't work well for a handful of people.
Estradiol valerate taken orally also decreases IGF-1 by a lot and increases SHGB.

>>7172140

That's cool. What part of what's done here impresses you? What stage of the process of becoming an endocrinologist are you on? How did you end up on /lgbt/? How much did that book cost and how much do you end up spending on books per semester?

>>7209469

So why would you want to lighten your skin? The areolae and anus?

>>7209838

I got my package from ADC just yesterday which I ordered at the end of October. I paid via echeck. Visa and MasterCard aren't viable because pharmaceutical companies don't want Americans getting the same meds cheaper from overseas, so they use the government to put pressure on Visa and MC.

>>7211657
Some like to be tan, others pale..

>>7211810
a combination of glutathione, vitamin c and e lighten a persons skin? where did you get that info

>>7211967

Well, I've heard about vitamins E and C doing that, but applied topically, not taken orally. I'm also >>7211657. Aydian Dowling uses E I think to reduce the visibility of his mastectomy scars, and I saw a YouTube video by a girl using a homemade mixture with vitamin C to lighten her skin.

>>7211989
that's neat, any idea how glutathione fits into the equation?

>>7212012

I have no clue. I only just learned about it when I saw >>7209469.

>>7212012
According to wikipedia at least..

>In most mammals, melanin formation consists of eumelanin (brown-black pigment) and pheomelanin ( yellow-red pigment) as either mixtures or co-polymers. Increase in glutathione level may induce the pigment cell to produce pheomelanin instead of eumelanin pigments.

>>7151198
I know your pain ;-;

Posted this in mtfg but I'll post here too.
My insurance has leuprolide acetate as a tier 1 drug so I get it for ten bucks is it worth?

>>7212256
>>7212029
>>7212012
>>7211989
>>7211967
I'm >>7209469 and this is the highlights of my research on this;

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_whitening#Glutathione
>http://glutathionepro.com/facts-glutathione-skin-whitening/
>http://glutathionepro.com/n-acetyl-l-cysteine-what-is-it/
>https://www.beautyregimenblog.com/2013/11/03/can-glutathione-pills-whiten-your-skin/

I've seen some mixed feedback on whether the glutathione actually work or not (and if it brighten or whiten), at least in pill form, but bit more positive on topical stuff as >>7211989 mentioned.
Additional whitening creams are optional but sunscreen SPF 45+ is advisable to add as you'll be at greater risk of sun damage with lighter skin.

>https://skinvision.com/en/articles/whitening-creams-and-why-they-are-a-very-bad-idea

I hear I need to take hormones when I wake up and when I go to bed, but my schedule is all over the place.
Sometimes I'll be on overnight shifts, sometimes evenings. My sleep can be like 5 hours out of sync with the next week.
Is it better to have a regular time to take them, say 4pm and 4am regardless of shift, or is it ok to just take them whenever I wake up?

friendly reminder for anyone with a pending asset chemist package to post if you get it or get any updates. i just placed an order for the US yesterday and i wish i'd done it sooner

>>7214854

If you use estradiol valerate injections, you'll only need to do it once a week and once a day for cyproterone acetate or bicalutamide.

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Yo, welcome to trap city!
Chill discord, we play games, hang around in voice, and stuff!

Join and have fun cuties!

https://discord.gg/ErDT9qR

>>7204371
There are multiple autists.

>>7214854
It's okay to take them whenever so long as it's consistent. Cyproterone acetate and oestrogen injections have a long half-lives so the levels will remain relatively constant. Spironolactone and oestrogen tablets have shorter half-lives, so levels will fluctuate a lot more (which is why you foten split the doses for those).

>>7216571
It's an analogy since the concept of male and female doesn't apply to cells. Even if they contain Y chromosomes the cells are exactly the same as they would be otherwise, and they're acting like the cells in females due to having female sex hormone levels interact with the receptors. It makes sense to put it like that even if it's not strictly accurate.

so whats the consensus on glutathione
meme or not.
Id love to stop being mis-raced as a dirty beaner when im really a glorious Italian.

for femboys fo you do estrofem and raloxifene (plus AA) or just the raloxifne. I cant have tits for any period of time at all

>>7219511

Glutathione apparently needs to be injected in a vein. Vitamin C and E work topically though.

>>7219551
>not wanting cute boiboobs
what are you, straight?

>>7219759
idgaf. i got insulin serenges from my dog

>>7219792
i have to change in a pe locker room cause im an idiot and waited until senior year to take pe.

>>7219802

>tfw had to take four years of PE as a state requirement to graduate

WHY IS NEW JERSEY SO SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT?

>>7219893
i have to take 2 or 4 """""""seasons"""""""" of a sport

>>7219802
just change with the girls

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>>7146587
Dumb question, do I need a prescription to buy these drugs online?

>>7206168
try to get on dutasteride if you can

>>7208311
it wont make much difference as long as the dose is the same

>>7151587
Agps have neurological sex at the root as well, its just that their sexuality and personality got coded masculine in some ways. Their ultimate neurosex is female though. If you take lesbians as a group and raise them as males and then pump them full of test theyre gonna look a lot like AGPs

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>>7220351
>prescription
>online

>>7220351
They're not scheduled substances so no.
Prescriptions are largely designed for distribution control, it doesn't punish those that seek it out via other means.
Though there are pharmaceutical importation laws, but they're largely unenforced

>>7146587
Sorry if I'm being retarded but inhouse is out of normal 2mg progynova but they have this "3x28" 2mg progynova.
https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1120-progynova-tablets-2mg.aspx

What is this exactly? Is it the same as normal 2mg?

>>7225111
It's three blister packs of 28 pills of 2mg.

>>7146587
What is an echeck exactly? I've never even heard about it until now.

How should one take progynova and spiro? Swallow with water? Take on empty stomach or not?

>>7225779
Never take it on an empty stomach, ideally always with food

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Okay!

So for about a year and a half now I've been taking 200mg spiro with 4mg of estrogen. How much bica is equivalent? I'm sure it's probably somewhere in the OP but I like having stuff confirmed.

In addition I stopped taking hrt for about 2 weeks now, can I just jump onto the bica or do I need to ease into it again?

What is the absolute FASTEST place to purchase this? I only ever let myself run out of 'mones because I thought I'd fill out informed consent forms in a a week or two and be on my way. Now I'm waiting 3 months.

Should I just buy spiro instead and wait for the doctors to give me bica? I am more familiar with it, but it makes me feel so lethargic.

Assistance please.

>>7146587
So i didn't started hrt yet.

I have to take the Anti-Androgen every day, right?

My friend works in a pharmacy so he can sell me Cypro, it costs $16,98 for 20 pills. I can't ship it so it's my only option.

>>7230877
I had the same problem here, I just settled for spiro and it works perfectly for me anyway.

>>7230877
>I have to take the Anti-Androgen every day, right?
Yes.
> it costs $16,98 for 20 pills.
Sounds like an okay price.

has anyone considered buying bulk from china?

>>7231424

APIs? How could you possibly consume it all before it expires? You wouldn't want to toss the expired shit right down the drain.

>>7230877
Thats a pretty decent price for Cypro, assuming its 50mg pills.

>>7231462
Well, tbf the price for smallish quantities is very attractive even with the expected wastage. And don't worry I've got access to much better and fun ways of disposing of things.

>>7231424
You need a license to import bulk pharmaceuticals and chemicals. When you order they have to ship all the drug identifier information and your establishment license that lets them know what you're using the chemicals for.

The guide says to split estrogen, should I really split these little 2mg progy pills? Seems easier to just take the whole thing in the morning and start splitting after a month when I bump to 4mg.

Is that really important to do?

>>7229806
Get back on spiro until your situation is fixed. Its not like you have to buy it in bulk or something.

ok, just emailed qhi about ordering Bica, wish me luck

>>7146587
hrt is making me feel lonely all the time. Am i doing it right?

for everyone having trouble with asset chemist, was your tracking fucked up? i ordered a few days ago and already go info showing it shipped..

>>7231424
i considered it a long time ago, but at this point you can get everything cheap enough that i don't find it worth the hassle or the risk


>>7219893
>need to take swimming class every year

THANKS NJ

>>7167073
Usually in ñeople after 25 years old, when the skeleton is already done and there isn't much to do about it.

If you already lost that opportunity, then you can hold hrt for a couple months to get a fastr fat redistribution.

I did it

>>7235725
>need to take swimming class every year

What's the problem with that? I would have actually enjoyed PE if it had been swimming.

>>7169198

You're an asshole. Transitioning is fucki g impirtan step in your gf's life and yoy want to mess it up just to stick your cock in her.

That being said, once estrogen levels stabilize, estrogen can have a libido increasing effect.

Just wait for it to happen

>>7198907

You don't want to do that.

Prolactinomes are bad stuff

>>7235770
because
1. fuck swimming
2. have like 2 minutes to group shower
3. have to spend the rest of the day with wet hair and smelling like chlorine

>>7235817
but i want big boobies and tranny milk

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>>7151587
>the definite cause of csts dysphoria can't really be pinned down because for most it onsets so young, and even the variant csts group who it kicks in later for still experience it very young

I'm VERY interested in this subject.

I'm told I'm hsts. I'm not AGP. I'm a legit bisexual in the middle of the Kinsey scale.

My narrative starts pretty late. The first ideations started at 10 years but went away quickly. Up until I was 19 I just was a somehow feminine boy.

Then at 19 suddenly dysphoria hit hard. Wanted to be a woman, to have the life of a woman, to have female friends and to be like any other girl of my age.

Men turn me on much more easily than women (although I find that there are more pretty girls than pretty boys). Indeed, the simple sight of a cock is good to me, while the sight of a pussy is as sexy to me as the sight of a rock in the desert. I can't stand lesbian porn, gay porn is somehow ok, but bi porn is the best of the best.

My narrative would be akin to that of a csts/hsts (just bi instead of homo). But my onset was SO LATE, like in the end of my teens, that I don't know "WTF I AM".

Do you have more info about the subject? it's important to me. I'm so confused!!

Sometimes I even doubt if I should continue transitioning because "I don't fit the trans bill".

>>7235775

Well she's been on hormones for 1,5 years now and we've been together for over a year. No sign of libido increasing. She has already halved her cypro dose for 3 weeks now (doctor's orders), still nothing.

I don't want to be an asshole here. She understands the situation and has even given me a "hall pass" for sex because she feels sorry. I would never cheat on her tho.

what's the best way to discreetly order hormones without a po box? asking for a friend

If I'm 20 years old and just starting on cypro could I still make it??

Has anyone gotten an order from Asset recently? I've been waiting a month.

>>7238432
Depends on the postal service.
If UPS you sign up for an account on their website and once a package is shipped login to your account and set it so the package is delivered to a pickup location.
If Canada post you can use their flexdelivery service to create a temporary PO Box for free and it will be delivered to any canada post store which is usually any shoppers drug mart.
If Fedex or DHL I believe they have the same options as UPS.

I'm not sure about USPS, purolator, etc.

>>7236568
wrong thread tbdesu

>>7239219
Not that guy, but thanks for the advice!

>>7236568
if you're dysphoric, i strongly recommend transition
the variant csts group is significant to me because it's what i'm in -- i was gnc from early childhood, treated almost as both male and female at school (bullied for being boyish for a girl and girly for a boy, i couldn't win), i knew when i came out that nobody would be surprised. but it was very subtle before late childhood -- i was the most feminine of my (admittedly tomboy) friend group in early primary school. my personality changed completely between the ages of 6 and 11. i also became much more severely autistic during that timeframe, which was likely a side effect of it (autism and ftm transsexualism are both caused by elevated prenatal testosterone during neurogenesis).
19 is late for v-csts, though. are you neuroatypical in some way (autism, 'schizophrenia', etc)? i'm pretty sure v-csts and neuroatypicality are inherently linked, but my sample size for that is tiny. your narrative is incredibly interesting and i'm glad to have heard it.

>>7242721
>>7236568
conversation belongs in trans help gen
thanks

I switched from Cypro to Bica about a month ago and I still can't cum, what gives?

Is my seed really gone?

>>7238961
UK here

Got mine about 2-3 weeks after placing the order

Hiya /HRTgen/. I'm completely new to the whole idea of HRT, and I was wondering if any of you anons would be willing to spoonfeed me a bit.

What would you recommend someone Pre-HRT to pick? How risky is it to self-medicate in the US?

>>7146587
Okay so I'll start cypro and progynova soon.
It got shipped today so I suppose it's here in about two weeks.
How to dose?
From what I've heard the first month i should take 50mg cypro a day and 4mg progynova after one week. After the first month i can reduce cypro to 25mg and up progynova to 6mg.
But how to dose over the day? 25mg cypro after the breakfast and 25 after evening food? Same for progynova NB just with 2mg after dinner the second month?

>>7242785
Has there been no change at all? I'd expect it to take a while at least.

How long were you on cypro for? It causes permanent testicular damage with long-term usage.

>>7245200
Cypro has a long half-life (several days) so splitting the dose wouldn't help at all and is unnecessary. I'm not sure you should reduce the dose that soon, especially if you're self-medding and you don't know your testosterone levels. The long-term reduction in testicular function that allows you to decrease you dose won't happen much in that short a timeframe.

The oestrogen tablets have a shorter half-life so it's beneficial to split the dose.

>>7245243
Ah thanks how many months should I take 50mg?

Is Bilacutamide+Estrofem a good way to start HRT by self-medicating? Does taking Raloxifene or Tamoxifen to inhibit breast growth also inhibit hip growth?

My last two orders never arrived
Should I just kill myself now?

>>7246632

Who did you order from? If it was Asset Chemist, they're under investigation thanks to some retarded reporter from the Independent.

>>7246689
qhi

>>7246632
How long has it been?
My last qhi order took from September 11th to October 17th.

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>>7242721
I'm transitioning already, anon.

It looks like this convo isn't welcome in this thread. Shall we start a thread or get in contact?

I'd love to give you more details about my narrative and listen to your thoughts on it. My narrative is is confusing and strange as hell.

Also, anatomical hormonal markers show evident signs of feminization/hypomasculinization, and even more strange: my growth stopped at 16 y.o. and left me with a short stature and childface that are ideal for transitioning lol, but that's definitely not normal for a male body, which stops growing in the 20-25 range... Indeed, I pass as a cis girl just by putting a wig... and there are even stranger details... I think there was definitely some hormonal issue going on.

I know of only another case very simmilar to mine, she just happens to be 100% androphile instead of 100% bi. She's also pretty confused, and considers herself as androgyne, although she's transitioned.

Also, you look like you know your stuff... "neuroatypicality"? That's porn for psychologists hahaha...

And I happen to be a psychologist. Lol

That's why my interest is double. First because I recognize I'm a weird case that doesn't fit in any typology, second because it's my field of study hahaha.

My interest on discovering "what I am" is huge.

So... let's continue this conversation elsewhere?

I've got a throwaway mail, you can get in contact with me through it, and I'll derive you to my social networks (just to provide some safety for me, since this is 4chan after all).

We could have veeery interesting conversations.

[email protected]

mail.com, not gmail.com

Thanks for the info, anon. Looking forward to hear more!!

>>7246801
My last order was delivered on october 21

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>>7242721
>>7246810


Forgot to answer this...

>>are you neuroatypical in some way (autism, 'schizophrenia', etc)?

Ive suffered from OCD (already healed long ago), but besides that, nothing strange.

But there are very strange details between both my sisters regarding sexual orientation and gender roles, and all of them point towards hormonal imbalances, so I guess it's an issue that runs in the family.

But that's a very private matter and I'd tell only in another place.

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To the qhi paranoids. My order got shipped two days ago according to pic related.

Couple questions from someone who might want to transition sometime in the near future but doesn't know much about HRT:

1. Does it affect the way your hair grows out or how quickly? I have super thick hair that takes forever to grow out. I got it cut almost three months ago and it barely covers the tops of my ears if I try to comb it down on the side.

2. I know it doesn't affect eyebrows themselves but does it change their position through fat re-distribution? And, is there a way to make them permanently smaller and thinner or do you have to just get used to trimming them all the time?

>>7245200
You can probably start at 25mg cypro unless you weigh a lot. 25mg completely nuked my t levels after a month, and the less cypro you have to take the better

>>7247300
I've a bmi of 17.5~
I dunno there are so many contradictory reports about cypro dosage :s

are cone tits an actual, avoidable thing, or simply a tranny meme and natural part of tit development?

>>7245424
Keep taking 50mg until your T levels fall within the female range, then it should be okay to reduce to 25mg

>>7248086
yes/no
true 'conetits' are tubular breasts, which are rare in transitioners under 25 but fairly common past that threshold
due to the average age of transition here being so low, one can expect very few of the women here to have tubular breasts
what's more commonly called 'conetits' are breasts at tanner stage 2 or 3, which when newly formed can look kind of cone-like (like any breasts they will droop with age, though this can be alleviated with a properly fitted bra). almost all adult cis women are tanner 5, but trans women will very rarely reach tanner 5 unless they start hrt at <20 (though there are a lot of people starting hrt at <20 on this board) and even then there's no guarantee. more common for the age of transition around here is 3 or 4. they also take several years to develop to that point, usually around 2-3 but can be 5+. most of the women here who bitch about their 'conetits' are relatively early on hrt and impatient. besides, tanner 3/4 tits are cute.

What up. I'm on 4mg of estradiol valerate and u managed to lose a pack. Am I okay to switch to estradiol hemihydrate that I got from a pal for a couple of weeks? What dosage is equivalent? Pls help, trying not to panic.

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I have been drinking alcohol lately, and I'm due for an oestradiol injection. Am I going to die?

>>7249289
of course, valerate and hemihydrate are just different forms of delivering medication, it will still be estrogen

>>7250191

Depends. As I understand it, instead of injected estradiol valerate passing through the liver, it is instead processed in the muscle in which it's injected.

Can I take female hormones to reduce body hair without growing tits?

>>7250592
>doesn't even read the post
look under steps 6 and 7

>>7232501
you don't need to split progynova doses
you can take it all in the morning
at least that's what my endo told me

>>7246632
Take a plane to latin america and buy it physically from a pharmacy

>>7247276
Someone? Anyone?

>>7251764
HRT is a meme, it doesn't actually do anything

>>7247276
>Does it affect the way your hair grows out or how quickly?
I've heard it gets thicker, but I don't really have any proof. I know it can change the texture of your hair.

>eyebrows
cis girls have to shape and then pluck their eyebrows on a regular basis to keep them shaped properly. HRT won't affect it, and you should probably see someone who specializes in doing eyebrows if you want them thinner.
Or just be an artist with those clippers.

>>7253000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

Could I buy myself some time if I start taking anti-adrogen while I sort out wether it's legal to get the femenine hormones?

>>7254218
if you're worrying about legality you're never going to make it

>>7254253
But if I don't worry about legality I'm gonna waste my entire salary on pills I'll never be able to use ;_;

>>7254354
>can't use them because they're illegal
are you this cucked?

>>7254386
I mean, what do you suggest? That I should break into customs and take them by force? I'm never going to get them if they're not permitted.

>order domestic
>order dark web

>>7254411
>implying I wouldn't have ordered already if they were sold domestically.

>implying I would even know how to nigweb

>>7254422
retards and crack addicts figured out how to, so i'm sure you could too

>>7254430
I'm more useless than either of those and I would fuck it up if I tried.

>>7254446
enjoy being a man then i guess

>>7254458
:^(

Can't you just answer my question instead of telling me to trust my credit card info to the russians?

>>7254467
going on an AA only is obviously going to be better than having test flowing through you
but this should be common sense

>>7254498
Will it buy me some extra time if I reach 21 yo before being able to take the titty skittles?

>>7254523
>thinks 21 is old
cute

>>7254559
The popular meme around here is that if you pass that age you might as well give up.

>>7254570
a popular meme around here is also that not being a tiny anime girl makes you an unpassable hon

I'm kinda limited on resources right now and I think the best I'll be able to do for a while is 2mg progynova, 100mg spiro and 1.25 mg fin a day. Will this have any effect? Should I be taking them all together or at different times of the day? Morning or night?

>>7256043
It will have effects, though for most people it won't be enough to get your levels safely into the female range (you never really know without a blood test). No reason not to take them together, at whatever time. The doses are too small to be worth splitting up.

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>Can't find any info about DIY or drug importing in country.
>Just find gay shit about marriage legalization and news articles about muh trans empowerment
>Decide to ask local fourchingcheng copycat site
>"You don't need to get that stuff, just eat chicken and soy dude"
>Decide to ask normie site
>"You need to go to a doctor because those drugs are dangerous and hazardous to your health"
>Last night I discovered gf slept with other dude.

That last one is unrelated but I needed to get it out of my chest.

I'm retarded and didn't refill my HRT soon enough. Now I'm left with only 2 days of pills and I can't contact my clinic because it's a Saturday. What do y'all think is the best way to split my pills if I'm supposed to be getting my levels tested on the 22nd? I have enough pills that if I split them all in half, I'll make it to the appointment without running out, but my levels will be all fucked up, won't they? Maybe I should postpone the blood test like a week? Or do my levels change more slowly than that?

>>7256911
Your levels will be fucked up but less than if you were off them entirely. Postpone the test until after you refill and have taken full dose for a little while, unless you have some reason not to.

>>7257107

That's what I thought. Thank you.