Lesbians have it easier than gay men.

>>7044922
Who cares who has it easier. This isn't the oppression olympics.

If you're serious about discussing stuff like this I request you return to tumblr.

>>7044927
Never been on tumblr.

I want to discuss this because I constantly see lesbians saying, "Be yourself! When I came out my life got so much better!" But I have my doubts that this is as true for gay men as it is for lesbians.

>>7044934
While I would agree lesbians have it easier I do think coming out makes life easier. It helps filter out people that you think care about you but don't and takes away the stress of someone finding out you're gay

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Miley Cirus cummed out as transsexual.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/miley-cyrus-opens-identifying-pansexual/story?id=42734994

>>7044922
only because powerful groups like straight men are more likely to lash out violently at gay men than lesbians.

>>7044922
If you were a feminist this would be proof that women have lower status, and therefore women have it worse. If you're slightly retarded as well as an intersectional feminist you'd then argue that lesbians have to deal with being women AND homosexual and is therefore mega-opressed.

Personally I think men have less freedom in how they express themselves. Crossdressing used to be a nono for women as well, but I guess feminism succeeded in their mission in giving women the freedom to dress however they want. You'd think that feminist would now go on to do the same for men but instead they claim as you do, OP, that the discrepancy is because women are valued less so the patriarchy is only stronger than ever before. I'm just speculating here, but I think the discrepancy was caused by feminism and isn't a symptom of the increasingly deeper layers of patriarchy.

yeah lesbians are seen differently because female sexuality is completely different, and men and women are completely different.

I don't know about who has it better or worse but of course the general public is going to have completely different ways of looking at a lesbian vs a gay man. You're overthinking this.

just think about how people treat men and how men treat each other vs women, instead of overthinking the "power dynamics". Then you'll get your answer

>>7045003

She identifies as an attention whore.

>>7044922
lesbians are only more accepted if they're hot purely because it's a sexual desire for men, and most straight men would love to fuck two hot "lesbians"

that is literally it

Lesbians have it worse imo. I'm a lesbian and shortly after coming out I was "corrective" raped by someone i thought was my friend. I know that gay men sometimes suffer violence too, but i don't think its very common in 2016. And then you have straight girls playing with your emotions, people thinking your sexuality is invalid, and being a fetish for straight men. I'm sorry for whatever hardships gay men suffer, but i think lesbians have it worse.

>>7045003
Pansexuality isn't the same thing as transsexuality.

>>7045334
> You'd think that feminist would now go on to do the same for men but instead they claim as you do
Feminism was always intended to focus on women's issues, they don't see it as their job to fix male issues. They expected a similar movement to rise up to fight for men's freedom of expression, but unfortunately that didn't really happen: the "men's rights" movement ended up becoming dominated by people who blamed their problems on feminism, and actually view male gender-nonconformity and proof of a "war on masculinity". So rather than doing for men what feminism did for women, they've basically ended up just trying to undo feminism.

>>7045558
>attention whore
That phrase is well-known as a dogwhistle used by misogynists to complain that a woman is doing something that doesn't satisfy their penises.

>>7047193
Men are much more likely to be the victims of violence than women, regardless if they are gay or straight.

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>>7047193
>but i don't think its very common in 2016.

So one of the big problems is that we see men as tools. A mans worth is based on what he can provide for women. Gay men don't care about women so they are treated as broken tools (ei. they are thrown away)

Women on the other hand are objects. Society is built around protecting our objects. Being a lesbian doesn't take away from the fact that women are a protected class.

So because women's value is intrinsic while men's value comes from what they can provide for women, gay men have a much harder time.

>>7047193
Gay men are still the group most likely to be targeted by a hate crime. This is not per-capita, more hate crimes are committed against gay men than any other group.

>>7048414
>A mans worth is based on what he can provide for women. Gay men don't care about women so they are treated as broken tools (ei. they are thrown away)
What is this based on exactly? I understand that men are viewed as expendable, but the whole notion that this revolves around women doesn't seem supported by evidence.Gay men aren't hated because they don't provide for women, they're hated because the violate acceptable norms.