Why do older transitioners hate on younger ones? jealousy?

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>>7033715
People who transition over the age of 18 aren't trans, so there's obviously going to be a culture clash between young transitioners (trutrans) and them.

They have a right to be upset. A lot of the ones who post here were born just too early to be a young transitioner, and just late enough to be able to transition before 30. But that's often not good enough, because 90% of people get completely wrecked by male puberty by that point. Being born so close to that threshold without being over the other side, and knowing that it completely ruined your chances of living a happy, normal life will turn anyone into an ass hole.

I'm assuming you're young. You would have been absolutely fucked if you were born around 1990 instead of around 1998. This shit turned around insanely fast. For most people born around 1990, their only exposure to "trans women" as a child were the "is it a man?" segments on trash TV. Trans visibility finally started taking off toward the late 2000's and finally kicked into overdrive in the early 2010s, too late for a lot of those people. Most trans people in my generation didn't even know HRT was a thing until they were in college at the earliest. You don't know what to Google if you don't know it exists in the first place. When we were kids/teens, our attempts at Google searching trans shit pulled up hon fetishist websites like Susan's and Laura's Playground.

Shit fucking sucks. I got lucky with bone structure and all that, and after FFS in November I am confident that I will pass completely, but I know most people aren't that lucky. You should count yourself lucky that you were born on the other side of that threshold. If people my age (now 25) were able to scroll through hundreds of transition timelines and easily find DIY information in our teens, a lot of lives wouldn't have been ruined.

Yes, although usually its a projection of self hatred.

>>7033729
I guess i get your point, but they're so hateful towards people that pass early on (me) and try to tear me down with insults.. which is fine.. But it only speaks on them. i think they can be upset or jealous but when it turns to bashing them? Not Ok. At all.

>>7033715
GURL, you look gr8 in that weave!!~~ excellent hon!!

-Susan

>>7033715
jealously probably, you look great btw. I saw you post in that pass thread and you definitely got a lot of unnecessary shit

>>7033743
Lol thanks!!! :)

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>>7033740
>pass early on (me) and try to tear me down with insults.
>pass early
>pass

I dunno.
Older transitioners definitely face more hatred than younger ones, but it isn't nice to pass that on.

>>7033748
Hahaha Ikr? Not to be like cocky or rude but i passed almost better than everyone in that post! but got the most harshest criticism! Not saying im
uncloclable but definitely not manly! :) I guess people will just hate cause im early on and look good?

Post a pic without makeup and see how well you pass lol

>>7033752
here comes the jealousy...

>>7033715
>Oh shit it's that creepy guy that had a ton of that spic pictures.
Please don't spam the board.

>>7033758
yeah it's hard finding a nonbiased place to get rated. Leddit is way too hugboxy for me to trust and 4chan.org gets unnecessarily mean sometimes haha. You just gotta tune it out I guess :P

>>7033729
>For most people born around 1990, their only exposure to "trans women" as a child were the "is it a man?" segments on trash TV.
>didn't even know HRT was a thing until they were in college at the earliest.
>If people my age (now 25) were able to scroll through hundreds of transition timelines and easily find DIY information in our teens, a lot of lives wouldn't have been ruined.

Anon, why did you give me these feels?

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>>7033756
>wahhh wahh wah why is everything soooooo harArARARARDDD!!!!!!!
Protip: if you don't pass, kill yourself. People are being hard on you because you're actively destroying the trans movement and any efforts towards progression of trans image, laws etc. solely by being alive. Stop being such a selfish fucking fag and learn to look beyond yourself for once.

>>7033782
Says the failed femboy sexual predator. Fucking LEL

>>7033782
If that's how you feel, I don't feel guilty for being a hon.

>>7033715
Late transitioners (post-conception) are too damaged by male hormone exposure.

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Heres a picture with just eyeliner and lipstick no face make up :) hate all you want im only 3 months :p :)

>>7033715
>jealousy?
Yes.
Next question.

>>7033715
>big nose
>swollen hands
>androgen elbows
>hon wig
>shoulder - hip ratio
you look great and passable, hun <3

>>7033803
holy shit that nose....

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>>7033812
Stay mad

>>7033729
This is my post that I made like a week ago in another thread. I don't know whether to be creeped out that someone is pretending to be me, or flattered that they liked my point enough to copy my post. I'll go with the latter.

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>>7033715
Why do older people hate on younger people in general?

>>7033815
Lol? I've seen girls with bigger noses try again :)

>>7033729
>>7033820
Very good post.
I'm a 26 years old mtf and I fully agree.
The internet did not do any good for me throughout my late teenage years (before that I did not have access to the internet). It was not common to "just google" your personal stuff back in 2005. And after I started doing it I found weird fetishists that just looked awful. I went back in the closet faster than light.

>>7033740
Well, first of all, you're on 4chan. This is like the anus of the internet, so expect to be torn apart with insults, deserved or not.

There's an old adage, "hurt people hurt people". These are people who were fucked out of living a normal life. They're now in their mid 20s, a time in their life when everyone else is living it up, making the most of their youth and generally just living life. Unfortunately, that is not their reality. They look in the mirror, and see an obviously masculine bone structure, 38+" ribcage, no hips at all, 18"+ shoulders, a gigantic masculine skull, etc., and it makes them want to kill themselves. Their parents may or may not have disowned them. They've been on hormones for a couple years, but still look pretty much the same. Their only hope of passing lies in expensive surgery that they will never be able to afford.

Then they go on the internet and see two groups of people:

Group 1) Young transitioners born around 2000 who not only get to transition when they are young and passable, but get to go through the entirety of their 20s, college, and possibly even high school as their preferred gender.

2) People their own age who were spared by male puberty through nothing but random luck, able to become completely passable even if they started later.

Imagine how bitter and hateful that would make you feel. The knowledge that you have one shot at life, and you were completely fucked from the start.

People born much earlier were able to oppress more easily because transition was not a thing for them. But for these millenials, they either have to repress for their entire lives WITH THE KNOWLEDGE that if they had just started a few years earlier, everything would have been fine, or attempt to transition in failure, becoming a target or scorn and ridicule by a society that hates visibly trans people. They get to watch people only 5-10 years younger than them live in happiness while they suffer in misery.

>" They look in the mirror, and see an obviously masculine bone structure, 38+" ribcage, no hips at all, 18"+ shoulders, a gigantic masculine skull, etc., and it makes them want to kill themselves. Their parents may or may not have disowned them. They've been on hormones for a couple years, but still look pretty much the same. Their only hope of passing lies in expensive surgery that they will never be able to afford."
Weeeeew... aanon!
Hide your power levels!

>>7033837
Please go away. You're very annoying.

>>7033758
No, it's because you're bragging about it to those who not only struggle with passing, but will never pass. Have some tact, and maybe you'll get a bit less vitriol thrown your way.

>>7033873
Is starting at 22 considered part of the group you're talking about?

Because i'm in that group and these people need to look around them and actually see that cis women vary by a fuck load and the reason a lot of them don't pass is because they go super girly instead of a more normal and maybe androgynous look.

T-shirt and jeans, and yeah maybe skirts and dresses but you might not be able to pull them off.

I look at my sister sometimes and i am jealous of her hips and small shoulders but they need to realize everyone has awful shit they have to deal with, and trans is just one of the things they have to deal with regardless of how it turns out.

So many people before them have transitioned much later than they have and they have lived normal lives despite being massive hons, they can too.

>>7033803
You look like a chick i knew in college.

grats on the easy pass

>>7034730
>they go super girly instead of a more normal
But, see, that's the thing. Cis women can go super girly, normal, or boyish and still pass. If you only pass while dressing "normally," it just means you're only just passable enough that people give you the benefit of the doubt.

>>7034753
But they aren't cis women, they're trans. And as much as it sucks to accept they have to accept that they will never be a cis woman.

Some get a better approximation than others but we all have our flaws.

>>7033715
please leave jr. val

>>7033715
didnt you say you were intersex?

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>>7033715
>Why do older transitioners hate on younger ones? jealousy?
Depends on the person. I transitioned in my late twenties (old by 4chan standards) and while i wish i had transitioned earlier, I'm so happy for those who got to before me. Some people prefer to embrace the negatives, others the positives. That's all.

I'm a little over 30 years old and I started at 23.

Basically, I'm a hipster tranny because I was doing this before it was cool.

To be brief, I don't hate younger transitioners. I'll laugh at them because they don't know what they're getting in to. I also think that most of them are just transtrenders and they're fucking themselves up and will end up unhappy.

It's a different world now than when I started. Back when I was confused and trying to figure myself out, nobody had the words. "Transsexual" never passed the lips of anybody and "transgender" didn't exist. *Years* of therapy before someone in the field of therapy/psychiatry even suggested it. I was told I was just gay and in an environment where Matthew Shepherd happened and your family would say "good, faggot deserved it" you learned to keep things to yourself.

So much has changed in a short amount of time. I'm glad that people are more free to play around with gender and not get dragged behind a truck, mutilated, and left for the crows anymore (at least in the modern west). I just wish younger transitioners with their sneering at older ones could have a little bit more compassion. We come from a time you don't understand and that you haven't been exposed to. Anyone with a penis wearing a dress or acting "too feminine" *deserved* to be beaten.

All that said, I really don't have many problems in my day to day. People don't give me shit and I think I get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to "passing". It doesn't change the fact that I was raised to believe that I am a disgusting person who doesn't deserve to live. Young people have others to turn to for support. We didn't have that growing up. No internet, no cell phones, nothing. Just sitting with the knowledge that we were different and feeling terribly terribly alone - struggling every day just to live to the next and "coming out" back then meant losing everything and everyone (not a single one of my friends from before stayed with me after).

Transitioning should be illegal before 21. Even the "passing" ones don't pass anyways. You still all have broad shoulders, narrow hips and manhands. Not to mention fuckhueg hips.

Short, slightly chubby girls with wide hips are the sexiest and most feminine. How can trannies even compete?

>>7033782
wow, the trans community can be assholes, lol

>>7035362
>fuckhueg hips.
I meant fuckhueg feet, sorry lads.

>>7033729
24. Family was ignorant and phobic and bigoted until I came out at 24. Life is fucked. Even knowledge of "traps" it was always just fetish fags

Life is ruined.

>>7035374
Too many people becoming butt hurt and bitter from their frustration.

I'm 25 and I'm not trans but yeah I'm in this generation and like
>>7033729
said it really wasn't a thing with much discussion outside of porn, the only reason I even discovered trans stuff was through first looking at porn and then looking at porn on chans and then finding a crossdressing board on 420chan that was actually mostly transgirls talking about where to buy mones online and shitting all over crossdressers and chasers

freshman year in college I really contemplated it and just tried to follow a bunch of trans people on tumblr to see what their life was like but I'm glad never did anything now cause I feel like I'm just a poorly adjusted closeted bi dude

>>7035362
>Transitioning should be illegal before 21.

Illegal before or after 21? Because those that start before puberty will more likely have narrow shoulders, broad hips, and feminine hands.

Not that I agree with either case, speaking as someone who began before my voice even changed.

>>7035485
Children shouldn't be able to make those sorts of descisions. Their parents shouldn't either, as munchausen by proxy from sick dyke moms or agp dads is child abuse.

Like that Jazz (((Jennings))) boy was very clearly coached into being a tranny by his sister and mother.

>>7035497
What about at 18? Surely if they're old enough to vote and go to war, they can decide what to do with their bodies.

Also, what about blockers for younger trans people? The effects are reversible, just that puberty is delayed (to age 18 or even 21 and above if desired) if they're taken.

>>7033729
This kinda summed my feelings as well; most of the times I'm happy for them, but sometimes I get really sad I missed my chance. I would do almost anything to have started hormones/blockers I'm high school (I was a late bloomer)

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TRANNIES SHOULD ALL BE GASSED FOR BEING DEGENERATE

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>>7033729
> Being born so close to that threshold without being over the other side, and knowing that it completely ruined your chances of living a happy, normal life

This really hits me hard because it's so goddamn true. While I'm happy for young transitioners, it's painful to know just how close I was to having even a chance at a happy, normal life. To have such a strong, desperate desire and be shown a glimmer of hope... only to realize you missed the boat by only a few short years. That's soul crushing.

I was small and cute in even in high school, and was often mistaken for a girl. If only I knew it was possible to transition then, I would've passed flawlessly and been attractive to boot. Now, I'm forced to accept that no straight man would ever love me or even find me attractive. I'd be a hulking monster of a woman if I ever went out in girlmode.

Why even live, right?

>>7035567
>I would've passed flawlessly
Doubt it. Sounds like rose tinted glasses hon.

>>7035567
Honestly, I feel like repressing until 40-50 would've been better at this point. Up until I started to understand my feelings, it was just a feeling of unease at the back of my mind.

I'm going to be a hon anyway, regardless of when I start. A normal life as a woman is impossible either way. But by recognizing my gender dysphoria now, it's just that many more years of suffering in the end.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

>>7035576
Nah, I was a late bloomer. Literally didn't start puberty until high school.

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>>7035362
>slightly chubby

>>7035601
Enjoy only looking 6/10 at best in the eyes of a low T chaser.

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>>7033715

jealousy/regret. you pass really well btw

i'm 4 months in and passing. last weekend i had coffee with an trans friend who tried to reconnect after she found out. she was super nice until she saw me and then tried to one-up me in like...womanliness? femininity? she talked about having regular periods and the great poly lesbian sex she was having :\ she fucking recoiled when i told her i only liked boys

/lgbt/ is kind of a shit place but at least it's fucking real. people just say if you pass or don't and they'll tell you that blue lipstick is a terrible idea. so many people in real life when they find out either try to coddle you or treat you like a freak

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>>7033729
Hello darkness old friend

>>7033835
>(26)

>>7035634
Lol /lgbt/ isn't "real" it's cynical and filled with people who would rather feel sorry for themselves than try something and fail.

Some people here do actually do things but so many it seems like want to be pretty and passing without trying and then they learn how much work it is and quit or something.

Also people can live thier lives being ugly but people here thing if you're ugly you should be exterminated.

>>7035678
to be fair, ugly people live shit lives

>>7034730

There's a lot of variability in appearance among cis women, just like there is with trans women.

That doesn't imply that these two groups overlap.

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>>7035678

maybe real is the wrong word. it's harsh and that's not necessarily a bad thing. the cynicism comes with the territory. being trans is tough already, but when you're trans and you can't pass you're going to have some fucking rough times. yes, you can wear what you want and be who you want to be, but you should also be aware of what people think of that with no filter. it won't be great for your self esteem but if you want to boost your ego just head over to reddit or susan's

this isn't a good place for people who are questioning. there are plenty of people who will tell you that trans people are freaks or that if you can't pass you should kill yourself. but hey, welcome to being trans. the world is full of people that hate us. fuck em. if you're lucky enough, you can stealth. if you're not, you have to find ways to deal with that fact

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>>7035678

>seems like want to be pretty and passing without trying

This is a meme.

You don't become pretty and passing by *trying* my man. I don't care how well you sculpt your tranny bangs or how carefully you tweeze your eyebrows. Everyone will still clock you because of your beady piglet eyes/jutting brow ridge/trashcan hands/<insert body-part here>.

Makeup, clothing, hair-styling and all that stuff can only accentuate underlying beauty. It can't create it. If you don't have the body/facial proportions to pass you're pretty much fucked.

There's only one way to win the game, and that's by having good genes.

That's why everyone here's so fucking cynical, and rightfully at that.

>Also people can live thier lives being ugly but people here thing if you're ugly you should be exterminated.

There's a difference between being ugly and cis and being a non-passing monstrosity.

How about all the cis girls that are either fat or ugly or feel inferior in some way to trans girls who are prettier than they are. That must hurt even more. Knowing people prefer a girl with a penis or that can't even have kids just because they're more attractive.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the hate around lgbt against trans people stems from some form of jealousy.

>>7035844
You can fix being fat easily and I've never seen a cis women that wasn't fat but still ugly. Honestly if you are an "ugly" cis women you are just too lazy to put effort in your appearance.

>>7035819
There are also surgeries. So it depends on genes and money :^)

>>7035819
>clock
what

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>>7033729

Oh this attentionwhore again

>>7033820
They're not pretending to be you. This is normal 4chan behaviour. It's called pasta, copypasta. Your words are now part of pasta. Congratulations.

>>7036125
it's the greatest honour to have your OC reposted

>>7033820
You are being honored

>>7035850
>You can fix being fat easily and I've never seen a cis women that wasn't fat but still ugly. Honestly if you are an "ugly" cis women you are just too lazy to put effort in your appearance.

Honestly though. If I had a cis body, the amount of work that I actually put into my appearance would make me a killer hottie. But no, I'm trans, so I get told I don't try hard enough.

>>7033873
>tfw transitioned at 20, 22 now
>tfw 37 inch ribcage, 17.5 inch shoulders but big 41 inch hips and a balanced 32 inch waist. Plus a fairly femme face that will pass easily with chin jaw brow and trach shave, and serviceable voice
Wew lass, barely made it.

Hoping to get FFS by 25

>>7035374
Caraposter isn't trans, he's a sociopathic chaser and future serial killer.

>>7033740
Honestly I have seen lots of people like you and you take every legit criticism and process it as an insult and "they just jealous ". It will be your downfall as you slowly alienate anyone that can objectively tell you how you come off to people. And of course you Will have plenty of cis people telling You you pass and look great and "I would never have known omg!!" and you will have no way to realize they are lying. So you will delude yourself just like old manly hons do. I have met tons of hons that think they are stealth. Process that. They look like total men but think they are stealth. Are you a hon? No. But to Be honest the best passers I have known are always critical of themselves and doubting if they pass. Ones like you who think they pass like an angel and are perfect, well usually you are delusional. And you don't even realize when you get clocked. Cause you have built a delusional bubble around yourself. Your narcissism bleeds off you op. It will alienate you and you will be the pathetic tranny charciature cause you look self awareness

>>7033803
You look like a boy? Do You not think so ?

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>>7033729
>If people my age (now 25) were able to scroll through hundreds of transition timelines and easily find DIY information in our teens, a lot of lives wouldn't have been ruined.

>>7035766
ugly fag here can confirm. nobody gives a shit about you if you're ugly

>>7033740
Dude, you look fine(great actually). That's not the problem. Have you not noticed that your personality is shitty? Do you really have your head so far up your ass that you cant see it, or do you just pretend because this is 4chan. The latter I can at least understand and respect by virtue of being an oldfag.

>>7038278
Lol none of you people know me besides the boring shit i post on here. you have to get to know someone before determining there personality. otherwise you look stupid <3

>>7037748
No one has given me legit criticism lol so stop u sound stupid and jealous bae

>>7037755
Sometimes yeh but im only 3 months so I dont mind :D

And fuck me, I transitioned at a time where starting at 19 was young and older transitioners were jealous as fuck over my "early" start and being small/tiny.
Back in the day 18 was the earliest you could start without parental consent, of which I had none. I just have myself another year to try and man the fuck up. Plus if I had known starting earlier would prevent you from looking like a hon I would have been popping titty Skittles at 14-16 instead of trying to steal my moms birth control

>>7033728
Lel nice Maymay, almost as good as AGP

>>7033715

It's the drama they create. Has nothing to do with transitioning. All people over 25 are moving towards being jaded cynics. It is a natural progression in life. I am not so jaded or cynical, and I am very proud of all our annoying little namefag transgirls some of them are super cute... But I can't help feeling like the attention should be on the average individual who doesn't have a support framework. People who are struggling with dysphoria yet don't fully understand what is happening to them. Which I feel is the root of the issue. A lot of Trans (Hons especially) look at the EZ mode transgirls and get shitty that they havent had the struggle they have.

If anything Trutrans should be Hons. They know they are men, will probably never pass, but still make the effort anyways. That is dedication. Compare that to a transgirl who started hrt when she was 12 and never went through puberty. EZ mode. Fake. Will never know the suffering of actual gender dysphoria.

>>7038316
my parents would never let me on hormones no matter how much i begged them. I honestly can blame them for becoming a hon since I started talking about it at 12-13. Now I am a big fat ugly hon and can't pass for shit. I wish I knew about self medding earlier... Fuck my life.