Why is there such a high detransition rate for FTMs compared

Because true FTMs are so rare that it's become a meme.

Does anyone have any actual statistics on this?

>>7033585
look outside for once idiot.

>>7033534
Because male privilege isn't all that great once you have it.

>>7033674
(You)

Because lesbians think because they like dressing masculine and like fucking girls with dildos on that makes them men.

They fake like they have dysphoria and play pretend until the effects of testosterone kick in and make them unfuckable to other lesbian girls and then they realize the mistake they made and whine about how the trans cult ruined their lives

>>7034457
I remember one FtM who detransitioned and became a TERF stating that she stopped because she was convinced testosterone was giving her powerful 'rape urges'.

>>7034483
I laughed

>>7033534
Men must endure a stricter adherence to gender roles. If a man comes out is trans its not something that was done lightly. A woman has a lot more freedom of expression and is more likely to experiment with different roles.

>>7034483
>powerful 'rape urges'
fucking kek

>>7034483
That might have been true.

I'm ftm, and on T I have very sexual thoughts about strangers and coworkers. Like I see a woman's ass from behind and imagine bending her over and fucking her. However I'm not retarded so I know those thoughts are natural and I don't think I'm going to rape anyone.

Also, to answer Op's question: I think there's two reasons.

1. AFAB people are more likely to be transtrenders/tumblr genders and as such more likely to be wrong about whether they were trans to begin with.

2. The loss of female privilege really sucks more than I ever would have imagined.

Because feminism brainwashes them into thinking being female is bad and being a male is awesome. Once they realize how much social power and privilege they have as females they regret it.

A lot are also just transtrenders who underestimate the shitty effects of testosterone. Being gross and hairy isn't really all that fun.

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>>7033534
Because being a man sucks fucking assholes and when they realize mens lives don't matter and they don't get special treatment anymore they detransition.

I don't know why anyone would want to be a man.

>>7034797
Fuxk off Kayla. You are the cancer that is killing /lgbt/, along with those other posters from 420chan. Stay in your containment thread, you goddamn tripfag.

>>7034805
pull the pickle out of your asshole dude

>>7034648
Describe what privileges you lost please.

Where you surprised how different things were on the male side of life?

Of the measures that did not achieve consensus, forced anon was the closest.

>>7034826
Meant to reply to:
>>7034818

>>7034826
only because the tripfags flooded the polls with duplicate responses

wtf is wrong with having a name?

>>7034648
Men have those thoughts too. I can barely talk to someone and watch their mouth moving without thinking of shoving their face down onto my dick. Of course I never would, I just ignore it.

Guess ftms are just like us

>>7033534
because of tumblr's mediagenic sex discordance culture that's convinced half the young gender-non-conforming female population they're guys
the funniest thing about the whole thing is that tumblr really hates trans guys, so in practice half these people call themselves nonbinary which is even worse
also because people socialized to believe only in male privilege tend to freak out when they lose female privilege
>>7034854
>Guess ftms are just like us
of course we are
i was also like that pre-t kek

>>7034405
They're not wrong

>>7034648
What were your sexual inclinations like before?

>>7034648
>>7034854
That just seems... odd, to say the least. I'm MtF but I never had any sort of urges like that before starting HRT, surely that can't be the norm for guys?

>>7034499
>>7034779
I'd say that a combination of these two things are the main reason for the OP's question.

>>7035092
Same, no urges like those and MtF, but we weren't ever really "normal guys" were we?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010440X00305168
This article might be useful, but I cannot access the full text despite my university providing access to the Science Direct database.

http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/23255/189321.pdf
>1.2% regret rate from HRT in MtF patients
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2007.07362.x/full
>3.8% regret rate from phalloplasty in FtM patients

Regret rates are somewhat higher in FtM patients than in MtF patients, but not by much. OP's statement that
>such a high detransition rate for FTMs compared to that of MTFs
is therefore incorrect. It is merely media perception.

>>7035092
those "urges" aren't really as deep as they're probably sounding. More like thoughts and inclinations that you know are wrong so you just push them out of your mind because you know it's disgusting.

I've always assumed it's just testosterone and stuff, along with maybe too much porn that makes every talking mouth look like I want to insert my penis into it. I know other guys probably have the same benign urges too. I wouldn't even call them urges, just thoughts that make your loins feel weird and can distract an unfocused person.

>>7034851
back to tumblr with you

>>7033534
Most MTFs transition because they have a AGP fetish and then destransition or kill themselves once the thrill wears off

>>7033534
Most "FTM"s are transtrender demibois.

you must be trolling or retarded to think people de-transition cause of 'privilege'
if you are true-trans you are willing to endure shit-ton of social issues just to live as your real gender

>>7035296
SRS =/= HRT. There's generally a higher regret rate for SRS.

coming from the land of total self-med where buying CPA is just a 10 min walk to a nearest drugstore, I know many "de-transition" guys who simply werent trans to start with

>>7035600
My main point was that the rate of regret was not that different between the two, if SRS has a higher regret rate, then that only supports my main point.

>>7035588
I don't people are saying they're de-transitioning because of "privilege", but that some bias about "male privilege" and the belief that "gender is just a social construct" due to their ideology is what causes some people to transition in the first place. I don't think this is exclusive to FtMs, but the tumblr crowd is more likely to have these sort of beliefs.

>>7035176

just use sci-hub

>>7035677
Either man or woman has it easier than trans, when even your relatives might reject and despise you and everyone will see you as a freak until you pass flawlessly (if ever)

>belief that "gender is just a social construct" due to their ideology is what causes some people to transition in the first place
Buying testosterone illegally just out of ideology? Cause no therapist would approve it for such people.
If they were just pretend-trans wearing men clothes and demanding pronounce for a while till they got bored, it cant be called de-transition.

>>7035714
>Cause no therapist would approve it for such people
they do, and often
the whole concept of informed consent exists for those people
also they can lie to get what they want just as well as anyone else

>>7034854

That's testosterone for you.

>>7035588
The people who transition because of privilege were never trans in the first place, which is why they detransition.

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>>7035450
we need to kill that cesspool.
ironically speaking since this is 4chan, but trans politics doesn't mean the same anymore when a queer enby from England talks to Obama about how transphobia is real because kids are mean to her in school

can't even wear my denim jackets in public without some edgy patch blogger trying to talk about fandoms and cis people while I'm waiting for class. I can't imagine what all the neo-aesthetic 90s androgyny craze is doing to harm the trans community with all these tweens and teen lesbians binding to be cool, or the dudes in drag insisting they're the gatekeeper

statistically speaking however, 97% of the trans community on tumblr are weebs cosplaying and changing their identity every month. 2% are questioning and afraid to come out, 1% is closeted because they aren't edgy enough to be trans

and of that 97%, 95% are from cali, jersey, and miami

>>7035784
>trans politics doesn't mean the same anymore when a queer enby from England talks to Obama about how transphobia is real because kids are mean to her in school
Please tell me this didn't really happen.

>>7035796
she never specifically called herself nb, but she was heavyset/thick with "problem" glasses, asked Obama what he would do for the lgbt community, and told him she was queer.

he was also in England at the time doing some interview shot and answering questions. I think a video is out on YouTube somewhere

>>7035813
I lied. she did call herself non-binary
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/23/student-comes-out-as-non-binary-to-barack-obama/

its also on breitbart, YouTube, random facebook pages, and YouTube if you want to go look

tumblr grannies don't like people feeling sorry for you lot but goddamn I'm sorry they are wasting fresh air for this shit

>>7033534
https://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU

>>7035936

12 minutes in and so far this is just a whole lot of nothing. Just the woman being all "I'm back from my secret mission, and I've discovered that men are also humans!"
But then, everything she 'discovered' isn't anything she actually experienced either, she's just making more outside judgements about what the male experience of sexuality is based on what she second-handedly witnessed at strip clubs, being somehow surprised that her literal dyke idea of the ideal man as being an internal woman doesn't fly with straight chicks ("Man-attracted-women want someone who acts like a man, hubuwaaah?!"), and taking the fact that some of her female dates still wanted to go out with her after discovering she was a woman and saying (based on absolutely NOTHING) that this illustrates a difference between male and female sexuality because men wouldn't do the same for a date who turned out to be a man. Bitch, you didn't fucking test for that! You have no idea what a man might accept!

If you lived as a man for 18 goddamn months and all you've come back with are these blind assumptions and answers to fucking retarded questions that no one but a myopic dyke would have, then you just fucking wasted a year and a half of your life.

Not to mention it sounds like her bowling team clocked her immediately and were just too polite to say anything.

>>7036155

Actually, you know what, this reminds me of that retarded article that came out during the Olympics where a guy flirted with gay athletes on Grindr and published it as if it was news.
"She survived strip clubs! She went on dates! She joined a bowling team! She discovered that men have feelings! Explore the exotic world of men in their natural habitat!" Fuck off.

>>7036155
thanks for the summary, I wouldnt handle watching all that cringe

>>7036155
>>7036163
>>7036185
If you're so blind you can't see how women live a life of being treated better, being allowed to have emotions, being protected by more laws and many more far deeper psychological benefits, then you're living in your own fantasy land.

Go ahead and transition. See how the world treats a short, baby-faced man.

>>7036225
How are they treated better exactly?

>>7036155
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ijvcQPY90

>>7036225

Where the fuck did I imply any of that? At all?

>>7033612
>I don't need sources or facts or any evidence for my claims, you try to prove me wrong :^)

>>7035350
Another mtf here, and I can confirm that I've never experienced anything like that

>>7033534
because women in the western world are the most privileged group on the planet, and even FtMs can recognize that being a woman is socially and economically safer.

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>>7033534
I feel like a lot of cis female lesbians go from being gender queer to non binary to trans depending on whats in vogue at the moment. On they are posting facebook about being lesbian and proud and stuff like that and only date trans guys who are pre op and cis women.

When i tell people why don't they just start taking T? They just seem to look at me funny.
I know some genuine ftm guys who have all the dysphoria MTFs have and they don't mind calling them self straight or growing facial hair or larger clits too.
But being trans seems to be some kind of fashion or attention seeking for a lot of cis woman in the queer community. Usually being trans for cis males can have the opposite effect so probably more genuine people in that bracket.

I transitioned to male and then to enby because I wasn't comfortable as a male either. People tend to gender me female again now and I'm still not crazy about it, but I'm content with being an androgynous feminine person.

>>7037193
>to enby

to a what?

>>7037216
non-binary. enby = n.b.

>>7037223
oh wow lol

>>7036285
In almost every way.

It's shown that the window in which people are willing to listen to another person's emotional problems is like 5 times greater for women than men. Mothers respond to the crying of an infant girl something like 3 times faster than an infant boy. The list goes on and on, and over a lifetime, it changes how men expect to be treated to the point that it's invisible and natural for men to be treated with less humanity. You don't even realize they're treated differently, as you've said.

A woman in her 20's is allowed to have a childish hobby and be praised for it, but a male who does (like a brony for example) is seen as basically the bottom of the totem pole.

We can identify aspergers and lighter spectrums of autism much more quickly in males because they're much more quickly segregated and ridiculed by their peers than females, who often never get diagnosed because they can live with aspergers without knowing it because their side of society is far less predatory.

There's dozens of examples of how society somewhat coddles women subconsciously, and I'm only talking about being treated, I'm not bringing up suicide rates (5 times higher in men), and just men's general role in society

>>7037160
Runes on the forehead is one thing, but why does she have green armpits?

>>7034854
i am a cis dude who just wandered in here to see what the board is like (you're all so nice compared to the rest of this site, holy shit) and yeah, my buddy transitioned FtM (I never knew them pre-transition) and god damn if he ain't the thirstiest, horniest dude I know.

>>7035350
cis dude here, yes, it's more of a benign background noise that whispers "but what if you was fuckin" every ten seconds sort of like if you're at work and every so often you think "can't wait to get out of here"

it's not really a "i literally can't fucking wait for this person to be alone so i can rape them to death and eat their skull"

fucking lol that the TERF mentioned above got the merest chemical influence of mild horniness and became convinced she was turning into a rape werewolf, what a weak, cowardly idiot

>>7035350
Another MTF transbian chiming in, never had such urges despite T and lots of porn. But maybe it's related to finding fucking with my penis utterly alien and unappealing.

>>7037454
the downside to this is that men go batshit from never being allowed to audit their emotional state or have half a second to decide whether they consent to the expectations of masculinity and end up being wretched asslords with an empathy deficit at best and a violent streak they swing at those weaker than them at worst

that's obviously not a universal truth, but just kind of generally painting why all of the murdering and general horror-inducing psychotic breaks and mass shootings are done by dudes

and then the perfectly understandable response is "fuck men, what the fuck is their problem" which just reinforces that alienation (which the dudes aren't even aware they live with anyway so they don't critically assess the treatment) which perpetuates the cycle of emotionally tone deaf men losing their minds

>>7037941
i think it's interesting to see how many MtF ppl are have never had that feeling

it's almost like... you weren't guys at any point in your lives

>>7037959
and I'm sure plenty of MTFs have had those feelings.

>>7033534
who is the qt 3.14?

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>>7037941
it hits you at puberty and suddenly every girl (or boy duh) you see you just want to have sex with

but yeah trans have part of the brain responsible for sexual behavior thats different, its not just hormones

>>7038032
Being a bi guy must suck.

>>7038068
Bi guy here. I just mainly want cuddles, I cannot relate to wanting to fuck everything in sight.

>>7038068
best part is having wet dreams about your friends, such a sweet shame

>>7034483
>tfw no gf with powerful rape urges who can only take them out on you

Why live

>>7037906
Tbf men learn to control that shit from puberty. For someone suddenly inundated with it as an adult, it's probably pretty bad to deal with.

>>7038362
that's actually a really good point and i hadn't thought of that. okay, i can see how that might be lowkey terrifying to go from "we're all brothers and sisters in the eyes of a loving lord" to "i want to stick my entire head inside her butthole" without the learning curve of hiding your boner behind a notebook in math class

>>7038242
my gf is a bit of an amazon, tall and athletic and confrontational to most people but super duper careful and sweet with me, but if i make her cum the right way a couple times she hulks out just pulls my hair and shoves her fingers in my mouth and scratches and chokes me and fucks the shit out of me. her eyes change, her posture changes, the sounds she makes change, it's so unbelievably hot

then she cums a few more times and gets really embarrassed and apologizes and it's so cute, i love it

but yes, being the punching bag for qtgf's rape urges is everything you imagine it would be

>>7036225
>>7037454
>>7037951
I'm sorry, but it's a very immature train of thought to say that one sex struggles "more" than the other. Both sexes and all genders struggle in different ways in different regions of the world.

Men suffer from toxic masculinity and are more prone to being emotionally stunted as you all have mentioned, but women are practically imprisoned by their reproductive system outside and even inside some of the western world. Coerced pregnancies and being shamed into choosing child rearing over a career, a higher statistical likelihood of being sold into sex slavery or becoming victims of human trafficking, globally a lower access to education and literacy, I could go on and on.

Both sexes experience struggle and misery. It's not about who experiences more, but that we get both sides to understand the nuance of each person's experience and respect it. By saying one side experiences "more", you're undermining the very real and terrifying misery inflicted on women the world over.

The reason why feminism exists is because regardless of what struggles men undergo, they are more often in positions of power and appear to institutionally proliferate a lot of the inhumane behavior that negatively effects both men and women beneath a given civilization's ruling class.

on a potato scale that you just made up ?

>>7037047

That's interesting, I wonder if it's a brain sex thing more than a hormone thing. I'm ftm but even during female puberty I just wanted to put my absentee dick in everything.

>>7038532
Women are not coerced into having children in the Western world except maybe by their parents, where the rest of the world and every icon across TV and culture tells them they should be independent and professional.

One of the most odd things Feminism seems to assert is that a domesticated lifestyle is akin to prison, where childrearing and staying at home (options that are not afforded to men mind you) are demeaning when through human history they were among the most important tasks. Believe me, if the "system" wants anything, its for women to be working fulltime jobs because childrearing is certainly not taxable labor.

Men are in power often because of the self-sacrificing traits they inherit through life. Women have much more respect over their lives, and are far more willing to say "I'm comfortable with where I am" when it comes to a career.

There is an obsession with who is at the top, but feminism never casts a light on men at the bottom. Men make up 80% of the homeless. They make up over 90% of workplace deaths. I don't see women complaining about gender representation in fields like waste management or roofing.

I'm all for gender equality, but what pisses me off about feminists is how they want to take no responsibility for their part in the system the way it is. Women have traditionally and still do control and influence what desirable male behavior is supposed to be. You are not a man so you probably have never had a woman tell you she was turned on when you show violence. However you may have rejected a guy who was considered "too kind" or atleast know plenty of women who have. It's like the whole concept of the stay-at-home dad. Feminists all like the idea, but none of them really wants it as an individual, and I've never met a woman who was willing to date a man who made less money than her. It just doesn't happen.

So there's always a finger that can be pointed, and the benefits of the system for women can always be downplayed.

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>>7033534
Girls are emotional and think they're ftms when really they just want to be victims

it's trendy to be ftm. it's not trendy to be mtf. simple as that, stop dragging this "1 gender is better than the other" bs into here.

>>7038782
>I don't see women complaining about gender representation in fields like waste management or roofing.

They probably should be for their own sake, since that's often where a lot of jobs are.
If women can only get top notch jobs or nothing at all, then it sounds like the ones who aren't high achievers are as fucked as they ever were. At which point it becomes not that they're above getting a blue-collar job, but that they're unable to.
Even if glamorous jobs become a 50/50 split, or even female-dominated, there's still not room for every woman up there. So what happens to the rest, if they can't settle for blue-collar labour like their male counterparts?

This really seems like a 'start from the bottom and work your way up' kind of issue, but feminists are just instantly "more female CEOs!"

But I'm ignorant as fuck, so maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

>>7038789

Who bends down like that when wearing a short skirt?

>>7038782
Feminists are not monolith.

>Women are not coerced into having children in the Western world except maybe by their parents
I know of at least one country where this is not the case. In Japan (which we might as well consider "western" in the context of being a democratic, capitalist society) the birth rate is cratering because women who have children are not welcome in the workforce and Japanese women are choosing the workforce. In the US many careerwomen are often let go or have reduced hours when returning from maternal leave. Beyond that, you are keeping your sights focused on the way women in the US and Europe live when that's a fraction of the population compared to, well, the collective of the rest of the women on the globe. Indian women (a larger group than the entire US population) are grossly mistreated and infantilized, for example.

>One of the most odd things Feminism seems to assert is that a domesticated lifestyle is akin to prison
I'd love for you to quote the acclaimed feminist author that made this proclamation. No woman questions whether or not child rearing is an important and respectable role, just that it shouldn't be the default for all women, just as "breadwinner" should not be the default male role.

>Men are in power often because of the self-sacrificing traits they inherit through life.
I stated that when men are in power, they perpetuate toxic standards on the lower classes. Women leaders have as well, but there's a lot more examples of men doing this in history by virtue of a lot more men being leaders. Whether it's because of the reasons you stated or not, it doesn't change that fact.

>Women have traditionally and still do control and influence what desirable male behavior is supposed to be.
I have to disagree with this. Men call each other "fags" and "cucks" in an effort to emasculate them for being anything less than the alpha.

>>7038408
My gfs the same(minus the amazon part). I toss her around be the dominant one for a bit, and then that weirdly triggers something in her and she goes nuts.

>>7038782
(cont)

>You are not a man so you probably have never had a woman tell you she was turned on when you show violence. However you may have rejected a guy who was considered "too kind" or atleast know plenty of women who have.
I know plenty women who have done tje exact opposite, actually. Including myself. I have never known a woman to see a man act violently in a real life scenario and express sexual interest. It's always "Wow that guy is scary." All my girlfriends go after the quiet nerdy types, who they constantly have to coax to talk about their feelings for even a minute because of what their upbringing was like around men that valued toxic masculinity.

>Feminists all like the idea, but none of them really wants it as an individual, and I've never met a woman who was willing to date a man who made less money than her. It just doesn't happen.
Again, feminista are not a monolith, and I know several women who work and are happy to have their husbands stay at home and spend time with the kids. They are extremely grateful, even, but more often the kids are taken care of by the grandparents more than anyone else.

>So there's always a finger that can be pointed, and the benefits of the system for women can always be downplayed.
And this is where I say I appreciate the honesty, but it's clear you're not allowing yourself to have an unbiased perspective on this subject.

I have conceded a number of your points, and I even agree with many (nearly everything I didn't quote), especially with regards to the comment about laborers like roofers. Yet you are more interested in pointing fingers amd casting blame, when in reality we all suffer at the hands of our fellow men and women.

Humans inflict misery on each other unlike anything else on this planet. We all have burdens to carry.

>>7038532
>men suffer from toxic masculinity
>this is why feminism exists

and this bullshit is why more and more dudes are "trans" online
source: I pretended to be nb before I realized lying to myself made it worse to function

>>7039170
I don't understand how you're making that connection. Who says that feminists can only be women?

I invite you to educate yourself
http://nomas.org/history/

I'm sorry that you mistakenly believed you were non-binary and seem to harbor regret. I'm not for pushing people to transition and won't even bring it up without the other person doing so first.

>>7039049
I understand women have a different experience than men, and that includes all kids of feelings of helplessness and anxiety. I think it's important to listen to each other's experiences, but nearly all feminist rhetoric snubs its nose at male emotional problems or invents new academic terms to paint those problems their own color.

When men aren't allowed to cry, they have about 3 minutes to discuss emotional problems before on average the other person starts to get annoyed, and many other gendered emotional roadblocks. Then when men explode in rage it gets explained as "toxic masculinity", some invented buzzword that pidgeon-holes certain emotions as invalid. It's a term that's not at all attempting to be analytical and every bit intended to be divisive.

And yes, I'm more focused on US and European when I talk about these things. Looking at highly unstable regions of the world may help paint a bigger picture of things, but it's often just used to cherrypick the most sordid details without a larger context.

I agree with some of your points, and more importantly I think I agree with what seems to be a optimistic vision for the future. I guess I agree though, it starts with listening to other's experiences and validating them, including women's lived experiences. Anything else is just fueling the dividing of men and women that's going on now.

>>7039252
>Who says that feminists can only be women

I laughed

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>>7034779
>Once they realize how much social power and privilege they have as females they regret it.
well hello there m'gentleman

>>7039403
>When men aren't allowed to cry, they have about 3 minutes to discuss emotional problems before on average the other person starts to get annoyed, and many other gendered emotional roadblocks.
Is there a source that you have for this "minutes of attention men are given during emotional discussion" thing? I'm not questioning the validity, that actually sounds like a fascinating study. I might actually just go look for it after I post this.

>Then when men explode in rage it gets explained as "toxic masculinity", some invented buzzword that pidgeon-holes certain emotions as invalid.
I sure hope that's not how I came across. When I say toxic masculinity, I'm talking about how men often intimidate other men for not behaving in a way that is considered "ideal" to them, and emasculate the men who don't comply. It happens on this site and irl all the time. The men that earnestly perpetuate that shit come off as insecure, imho.

>but it's often just used to cherrypick the most sordid details without a larger context.
The only reason I bring it up is to frame the discussion of sexism in a "larger context". 50% of the world's population lives in India and China, two countries that struggle immensely with human rights. I get that there's a lot of hyopcrisy in the west, but most of it is just talk. I'm an American and I'm okay with people saying whatever they want. I'm secure enough with myself that people can call me queer, fag or whatever and I'll just ignore them. As long as you aren't stomping my throat in or grabbing my pussy, I genuinely don't give a shit. Like the saying goes, sticks and stones...

>I guess I agree though, it starts with listening to other's experiences and validating them, including women's lived experiences. Anything else is just fueling the dividing of men and women that's going on now.
I love you, man. Really. I rarely come to /lgbt/ because of how angry and divisive every subculture is to one another, but this made my night.

>>7033674
This.

>>7034648
Right. Some girls just don't realize how horny guys are. Rape thoughts lol. Don't people know it's naturally biological and erotic to knock off a rando?

>>7034805
At least she's not shitposting. I don't mind except when /mtfg/ is one big RP.

>>7034851
Namefags rule the site. Guess that gets annoying to some people. I dunno I like lurking in mtfg and reading about you crazy trannies. And I thought I was weird... But the pace does seem a bit arduous. MTF'S rule here.

I assumed it was the lack of satisfying surgical options while mtf have a more varied set of options to turn the dick into a vag that kepts their sensitivity and makes it natural looking ftm have 2 real options one which makes them lose a lot of sensitivity and doesnt produce real boners...so is easier to go back to female than put up with something that could destroy their self-esteem.

Yeah its kinda hard to regrow a cock and balls once they chop it off.

Girls can just have surgery again.

>>7040528
anyone who is far enough into transition to be concerned with bottom surgery also knows the misinformation passed around in the early-transition parts of the community is just that, misinformation

>>7037941
I just want to be close to people. Sex would be nice, but the ability to cum into someone and tell her how much I love her and the physical reaction she gives off is relaxing.

>>7037691
Are you're looking for logic?

>>7039252
just fuck off with your gender marxism

>>7040478
Yeah nah it's awesome

>>7040660
Cis white man detected