trans people in the future

>>7021787
anything beyond better srs (they already can make buccal cell vags but everyone tolerates the current tech, stem cell ones are not far off either) is a long way away if you are already too old. they're not going to transplant all your organs and skeleton

C Y B E R N E T I C S

https://www.ted.com/talks/miguel_nicolelis_a_monkey_that_controls_a_robot_with_its_thoughts_no_really

Id imagine the future is keeping trans people from being trans ahead of time.

I think it might be a shitty fact that as soon as science is at a point when things can be made very comfortable for trans people will be the point the science is advanced enough to prevent the question in the first place.

Genetic engineering is a when and not a if at this point.

As a non trans person I feel like Im going to be left behind when Im older in society when it comes to enhanced people.

>>7021787
I'm sure new technologies will arrive, but I wouldn't try to plan your transition around it. I.E., don't wait on SRS if you want it for some possible future new technique that may or may not arrive in time to help you.

Personally, the trans medical advancement I want to see is a way of detecting it earlier in the brain. What you do with that information could be debated. Do you interfere with the brain to change the gender identity to be cis? Do you use that information to make sure all trans people transition early?

>>7021787
Maybe next century

Lab-grown vaginas, second to-none plastic surgery, improved hormone therapy. No more hons. Trannies will be indistinguishable

>>7022301
frankly if i found out my parents neglected to make me cis when they could have i'd be fucking pissed off

>>7021787
> How much of this do you think could be applied to trans people (both FtM and MtF) ?
If transsexuality has a biological basis and isn't just a defect in development/socialization, then medical science will eventually find a way to cure it or prevent it from happening by modifying the embryo.

people will have modular bodies and be able to switch genitalia when ever they feel like it

>>7022768
Thanks for the reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

>>7021787
people have this idea that we're just a few years from cis-identical surgeries, especially bottom surgeries, which is ridiculous and unrealistic
trans surgery can be expected to progress over the next 40 years similar to how it has the last 40, with steady improvement punctuated by occasional breakthroughs
mtf and ftm surgery will continue to improve at the exact rate they have, with mtf being only distinguishable by a gynecologist if done well and ftm not being at that level but being far better than generally perceived, and the other surgeries in that constellation (e.g. ffs) will improve at about the same rate
i suspect the next major breakthrough will be facial masculinization surgery, which in the current social context is primarily considered an issue of vanity but its necessity will be seen when the death of ftm passability that is currently beginning similar to the 80s death of mtf passability reaches a critical mass

>>7022878
> with mtf being only distinguishable by a gynecologist if done well
I think it's not quite on that level yet. It can be helpful if your genital dysphoria is so strong you absolutely disgusted with your penis and can't even enjoy sexual arousal, but otherwise it's just not worth it at this point in medical development.

>>7022914
it is, though
for a while around the turn of the millennium people were even claiming it couldn't be distinguished by a gynecologist, and a few probably got away with doing so
things haven't exactly gotten worse in the intervening fifteen years
a trans woman who went to a decent surgeon can easily have a stealth sexual and married life if she desires and is willing to put the work in

>>7021926

There's concepts of body autonomy you still have femgen taking mtf Meds.

Unless your idea of future is Saudi Arabia style shithole where we have no civil liberties. In that case emigrate there if you want that.

There's also no way to alter brain structure but there's already stuff like this http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(15)00066-4.pdf
>>7022754
We aren't even close to rewirirng brain structure or brainwashing. We have viable gene therapy already. Guess which we'll get first?

Odds are worthless psychopaths like yourself would be subject to compulsory sterilization in the world you want.

>>7022939
you're really just confirming what >>7022914 said
the current tech is primitive

you have to dilate it all the time to prevent from closing up, it doesn't lubricate, it reduces sensitivity, and if you're mutilated you'll have even worse results

>>7022997
>dilate it all the time to prevent from closing up
when will this meme die

>>7022997
Suporn does lube though.

>>7023054
Not a meme fucktard

>>7023067
Sweat from a meat sleave taco doesn't count.

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Thoughts on VR? I'm never going to transition but I'd be happy enough if VR got to the state that I could be a cute girl walking around a space, have a fully realistic female avatar etc

>>7023085
its true you have to dilate it, but the reason for it is not to prevent it from closing up
its a meme you fucktard

>>7023107
What is the reason? I'm not who you're replying too but I genuinely thought that was the whole point.

>>7021867
>they're not going to transplant all your organs and skeleton

why not?

>>7023107
I'm kinda curious. Why else would you have to dilate it for the rest of your life if not to keep it from closing up?

this year's chemistry nobel prize went to nanomachines

>>7023112
you're making the muscle they are cutting through accustomed to having a hole in it
also not dilating will make you lose depth but it won't entirely close up

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>>7023122
Nanomachines?

>>7023125
>it won't entirely close up

...so, it will close up without dilation. Got you.

>>7023054
yeah only multiple times daily for a couple years and then several times weekly after that. what a meme

>>7023067
nowhere near realistic. also
>suporn
see >mutilated

>>7022939
and i mean, go ahead and do it if you want. i'm not saying it isn't a valid option for people with very severe genital dysphoria, but be realistic - it's really not that good

>feminine penis shills

>>7022754
this.
In the future there will be no reason to allow a baby to be born trans. Everybody wins (especially the baby)
t. tranny who would rather not have been born

>>7022997
Lubrication can happen depending on the surgion and the patient, but it's not a guarantee and it's rarely enough on its own. There are dry cis women too though.

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>>7023105
Enjoy your BTL addiction, chummer.

>>7024300
>There are dry cis women too though.
so?

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>>7021787
Lots! Fucking lots of improved technology could be applied to transpeople!

-skin reconditioning
-better depiliation
-organic breast implants made with actual tissue that grows more more smoothly or at the very least other breast implants that feel real and/or leave you free of the slightest worry of them breaking
-bone fixing, likely bone shrinking, or at least epiphiseal re-opening for select bones, or more generally for transmen. And aside from long-bone growth, making the hips resume growing of course.
-or better bone grafting at least, again useful for hips.
-better AAs... presumably actually right around the corner with generic Abiraterone!!
-better hormone treatment, simply adjusting the gonads to produce the opposite steroid
-fat redistribution supercharging
-better voice treatment
-better hair repair

Of course, this kind of shit will immensely turn the lives of all people on their heads, make everything so chaotic, meaning-robbed, overwhelming, authority-empowering and impossible to keep track of that humanity will just turn on it and burn it to ashes. It'll make being trans so convenient and interesting, normal people will be jumping into it more and more, or rather, rich people, or they'll get someone close to sponsor, likely turning them into show-dogs.

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>>7022322
Hons will always exist. There will always be people willing to pull that shit, especially if it isn't firmly opposed. New motive patterns for it will develop. Some people will intentionally promote it, just for the sadistic joy of keeping the world freaked out.

Home laser hair removal will be as effective as professional laser within 5 years.

Buccal or stem cell vagina SRS maybe within 20 years, maybe.

Stem cell breast implants perfected in 10 years, these already exist but are not widely used for some reason.

Sperm and egg cells from skin cells within 10-15 years, allowing trans people to create genetically related children, doesn't solve the problem of needing a womb though.

Womb transplants for mtf and penis transplants for ftm, possibly. These are being tested on patients now but there's not a solution yet for organ rejection. Maybe within 10 to 20 years that will be solved.

There will probably not be many advancements to FFS, or anything involving skeletal shape.

Theoretically research into all these areas should start to speed up as there's a fairly sizable growth in the trans population now, meaning a larger market share making research worth the $. Then again there may be a huge swell of disillusioned detransitioners in the next 10-20 years too. Or a war, or a major cultural shift.

Virtual reality is probably a better bet.

Transfags, if science made it possible for you to trade brains with an opposite-sex trans person and live the rest of your life in their body, would you do it? You wouldn't look like yourself anymore, but you'd be 100% biologically your preferred sex. Worth it?

What if it was just a reproductive system swap? Still your body, feminised/masculinised only to the extent that we're currently capable of, but with someone else's bio organs.

>>7029291
>You wouldn't look like yourself anymore, but you'd be 100% biologically your preferred sex. Worth it?
Deffo. No second guesses, no concerns. Heck, probably become best friends in the process too.

>>7029291
>What if it was just a reproductive system swap?
If it's for free I'll take it but not that important to me.

>>7022939

It all hinges on how discerning the public is though. People won't spot a trans vag if they don't expect a trans vag to exist or look good, they might just think it's a funny looking cis vag.
Just like how ye olde trannies pretty much just had to wear opposite sex clothing to pass, because someone doing such a thing was just so unexpected that the puclic just though "that person in a dress is one funny lookin' dame." These days, cross dressing is much better recognised, so people are able to actually ask themselves "wait, is that person male?" and spot evidence of it.

It's like how languages with different words for similar colours actually result in people being able to better see the difference between those colours. Or how cgi that seemed incredibly realistic a few years ago quickly becomes or dated.

I think it sort of goes both ways though. With higher trans visibility comes better ability to clock someone as trans, but at the same time, with higher trans acceptance comes better ability to see what gender someone's presenting as and not question it. The people that I saw as "men in dresses" when I was a kid and didn't understand what trans was, I'm now able to instinctively see as women. Trans women, sure, but whatevs.

>>7029302
>Heck, probably become best friends in the process too
Oh god, when writing that I completely overlooked the fact that your old body would be walking around with someone else's brain in it. I think that'd creep me the fuck out. Might be worth it, but I think we'd have to live on opposite ends of the earth or something. But someone happy with that body would probably make it their own. Brighten it up with those post-transition eyes, make the most of its natural features, carry it in a new way. Maybe it wouldn't be too weird after all, especially with my own new body to make my own, making any hang ups about the old one kind of obsolete.

>>7029291
dude what? obviously
i have dysphoria

>>7031660
And you'd still be fine even if you looked like someone completely different? Maybe it wouldn't be as bad in some ways but to me part of dysphoria is not looking like myself, in addition to just not looking like the correct sex.

>>7031690
Absolutely. There are tons of people who I would kill to look like. If I woke up tomorrow in any of their bodies I might die of happiness.

There is no Myself I am "supposed" to look like. The body that would have existed if I were born female does not exist; the body that would have existed if I got on hormones before puberty does not exist; the body that would have existed if I got on hormones before puberty does not exist; the body that would have existed if I got on hormones 10 years ago, 5 years ago, 3 years ago does not exist. I look like myself tautologically, and looking like myself causes me so much pain. Why would I have any attachment to that?

>>7029291
Of course. I hate my current body that much.

>>7021787
I think HRT is probably as good as it can get. SRS has a lot to improve on, and there are a lot of advancements in the past few years around surgeries that have yet to be applied to it.

Bone reduction surgery might be a thing in the future, but honestly its at a very primitive level right now. However, FFS will continue to get better results, as improvements are made to plastic surgery in general.

More novel things that might happen soon might be : neo-ovarian transplants (basically scientists crafted pseudo-ovaries that are capable of producing female hormones endogenously although not eggs), gene therapy which could change existing gonads (something similar was done in rats), and more advanced gene therapy which could in theory remove or insert a y chromosome (although I don't know of any example where this has happened, chromosome editing isn't technically impossible)