Why are MTFs such a hot ticket fetish item, but not FTMs?

Ngl I thought that was flatlander from Death Grips

>>6989376
Stop posting here, Andreja!

please stop making threads about ftms. we don't need the attention, it just makes browsing this board even more insufferable

>>6989404
>tfw FTMs prove again and again that they have no humour

>>6989404
FTMs are pretty boring and honestly, most of the time they're really stupid. You should be grateful I'm doing this.

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>>6989420
Go Andreja!

Maybe because they're men who can't fuck, while MTF's are women who can fuck and be fucked.

I don't know, I think they're pretty hot and in demand to most MTF's.

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>>6989413
>Why are MTFs such a hot ticket fetish item, but not FTMs?
>humor

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>>6989501
Well, will (you) tell me what (you) think is funny?
A swedish penis enlarger pump to mimic a erection of your meme-penis?

>>6989376
Because people that want a girl that can fuck them and people that want a girl that can fuck other girls are fairly common. FtM's don't offer anything that a normal dude with an ass can offer as far as fetishes. I don't doubt some people (especially MtF's) that want MtF's exist, but it's definitely a more niche thing.

>>6989434
who is....... "andreja" ?

>>6989376
Do you know any ftms? I do, they go on Grindr and get "oh yes boipussy, they only get fetisisits and other trans people

If they're straight, lots of lesbians fetishize them for being super butch and down to earth

>>6989760
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreja_Peji%C4%87

>>6989842
I still don't understand.

>>6989842
>>6989842
omg that has to be the most beautiful person ive ever seen in my life.

>>6989850

>all is all

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Because most ftms are hairy and gross. Transwomen are feminine and femininity = superior in all fields.

>>6989850
she's a somewhat famous transwoman

>>6994921
Who exactly?

if your partner has a penis, you can either fuck them (in the ass) or get fucked by them. if they have a vagina, you can only fuck them. mtfs have more to offer.

What if youre an mtf who is so fucking lonely that she fetishes anyone who would love her and think shes special and important including ftms pls be my bf

>>6994979
are you cute, post face pic
do you like /x/ things and going on adventures
do you live in the united states
are you okay with letting crazy stick his phantom dick in you

>>6994993
Yes, I love /x/ but im a skeptical person, i went into the city to have a capuccino and read in a cafe. It was noisy and shitty. Is that an adventure?

Are you okay with pulling on crazy's hair and instantly turning her into a vacant eyed obedient bitch?

>>6995012
Well, guess I'll just be a lonely bitch who hyperventilates about being single instead

>>6995012
>>6995157
you sound adorable but i have crippling social anxiety

>>6995164
Its okay, you dont have to talk, you just have to want me.

>>6995164
Also, Cali?

>>6995164
Pls come back

so many ftm that i know think being a guy means being a slob and looking like shit.
I mean, theyre kinda right
but damn is it sad to see what coulda been done better done horribly. They gain crazy weight and grow the worst facial hair (like, just a mustache) just do it when they'd've passed easily AND could have looked great without doing that.

>>6995193
n-nowhere near cali

>>6989446
This
Seriously.
I don't get why ftms have a Grindr account.
Gay me want dick.
If you don't have dick we don't want you

i had fallen in love with a ftm.
wasnt even gay, just really loved this person.
Wasnt reciprocated. She moved on and we never did anything.
I'd easily be with or even just hook up with an ftm. I know its not him, but its just something i want now

>>6989376
Because most porn is target toward straight men and straight men want either

1) to imagine being the guy having sex with the girl (including transgirls)
2) imagine being the creepy camera guy in lesbian porn (including trans-cis and trans-trans porn)

If the porn is FTM with a cis guy then its gay porn and straight people don't like it as much.

If its FTM with a girl then the guy doesn't want to or can't imagine having a vagina and they don't really have any interest in watching an FTM if they don't like guys.

>>6995621
>trans-trans porn
>lesbian

You mean gay male porn, right?

>>6995548
>she
>him

Because penis > vagina

>>6989376
MTFs rape people so it must be a rape fantasy thing.

Because men like to fuck feminine looking things. While women only loves chocolate.

>>6996362
Women fuck chocolate? Or do chocolate fuck women?

>>6994511
Except math science engineering sports cooking cleaning anything that requires effort and the arts.
But hey.
Babies.

>>6996548
bretty sure he meant fields as in physical characteristics not academic ones

>>6989376
man with penis > woman with penis > woman with vagina > man with vagina

>>6997157
Porn:
woman with penis > woman with vagina > man with penis > man with vagina
RL:
man with penis >man with vagina > woman with vagina > woman with penis

>>6989376
Because liking dicks is a huge taboo in society for guys.
Vagg for females isn't so much.
And yeah, every taboo is hot for somebody somewhere

>>6994925
a model who started as a "cis" femboy taking estrogen to stay young looking, then came out as a trans woman and changed her name to andreja

>>6995358
Still here qt?

But OP, MtF's aren't a fetish item if they have huge gross chest and shoulders.

>>6989376
MTF's have the benefit of their masculine features being softened, creating a strong image of a woman.

For FTM's it creates the image of a soft man. Even the "buff" FTM's still look beta.

>>6994511
> Transwomen are feminine and femininity = superior in all fields.

To a man.

I don't think many women find feminine men "hot". At least, not the sane ones.

>>6999174
>I don't think many women find feminine men "hot"

Dude what. What the fuck kind of rock have you been living under for the past few decades.

>>6996565
Tbh he'd still be wrong.

We have some cultural issues with assigning things such as dirtiness or ugliness as "masculine", but a really masculine dude will end up handsome as hell, not ugly at all.

As in a strong, tall, clean, good-looking dude, rather than the short, balding, fat ugly one, even though the second has many traits that we consider "masculine" when present on women.

I can't help but hnnng when muscles are visible.

>>6999174
Feminine men are beloved by women across the world, Britain has had glam rockers like Bowie, Canada had Bieber, Japan has the whole arch-type of bishonen, Korea has basically every male in a korean soap opera, etc. etc.

Before transitioning I got hit on a *lot*, usually by girls. It made me really uncomfortable, but my efforts to look more feminine increased the flirting, not decreased it, at least until I reached a point where I was sufficently androgynous that I no longer looked like a man, even a feminine one.

>>6997228
Axe wounds are disgusting and you know it

>>6989376
For the same reason that MTFs are uninteresting post-op- FTMs don't have appreciably sized cocks.

>>6999932
>Feminine men are beloved by young girls*
ftfy

I have no idea what actually causes this, but it really does happen. For some reason, they've very much into feminine men.

There were some studies suggesting that women ovulating are into masculine men, whereas they're into feminine men otherwise.

>>6999979
well yeah, I was pretty early trans, so the only girls I interacted with were young. I mean, I never went fully through puberty, sooner or later that would start bothering them, even if I never did start HRT. Hormonal problems and what not.

>>6994942
except the penis does not function while the body is being pumped full of estrogen and blocked from Test. I would assume almost all Tranny porn stars that are topping either stop taking their meds for at least a week before a shoot and or are pumped full of viagra or that triple mix shit in order to get a hardon.
If you ever watch them bottom id say 80% of the time their cocks are shrivelled up and look like they are starving for blood.

Basically the idea you could be a woman with a penis and still top is a biologicaly fantasy sold by porn/fetishes and is financially/medically an expensive endeavor unless you are some sort of genetic freak of nature 1in 100,000 and can achieve erections without viagra and with your testosterone completely obliterated.

The whole thing is self defeating in that if you want to use your dick i think your schitck of being a woman is a product of mental illness.
Having a penis and penetrating someone is literally and entirely a MALE SEXUAL FACET and not a female one. You are not a woman if you enjoy fucking other people with your penis end of story.

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>>6989376
>but not FTMs
Visit tumblr
They are for repressed lesbians and bisexual women,, just like Mtfs are a fetish for repressed gays and bisexual men.

Its just that no one cares who or what women desire

>>6999932
maybe its because women are incredibly vain and narcisisstic creatures and tend to find feminine features on men attractive because they are sexually attracted to the idea of themselves but with a penis fucking themselves.

Its kinda weird being gay because most gay men arent into the whole femme thing so you have a culture of femmy guys within the gay community who are pretty but wear very masculine or sporty clothes or have very clean precise short haircuts in order to attract masculine tops to fuck them. Their mannerisms are still kinda "flamer" but its subdued and subtle because within the gay community being noticably femme is a bad thing for like the majority men. Its like they have this image that you are either straight acting or are respectably gay in a noticable fashion but not out there.
I think this is why drag queens exist

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>>7000779
Plato was discoursing on his theory of ideas and, pointing to the cups on the table before him, said while there are many cups in the world, there is only one `idea’ of a cup, and this cupness precedes the existence of all particular cups. “I can see the cups on the table,” said Diogenes, “but I can’t see the `cupness'”. “That’s because you have the eyes to see the cup,” said Plato, “but”, tapping his head with his forefinger, “you don’t have the intellect with which to comprehend `cupness’.” Diogenes walked up to the table, examined a cup and, looking inside, asked, “Is it empty?” Plato nodded. “Where is the `emptiness’ which precedes this empty cup?” asked Diogenes. Plato allowed himself a few moments to collect his thoughts, but Diogenes reached over and, tapping Plato’s head with his finger, said “I think you will find here is the `emptiness’.

>>6989376
Who knows
women are not very vocal about their desires anyway, no one knows what their fetishes are

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>>6989376
I don't think grills have 'fetishes' like that, and don't spend that much time developing their sexual repertoire alone in their rooms, unless they come from abusive or weird childhoods.

Which is usually why ftms are in normal relationships with normal females and mtfs are lonely sex workers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4mJxlu90eI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qR796yMqy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAk1AYugmI

>>6999932
This so much. When I started to transition, for like the first few months on estrogen girls would flirt with me like crazy.

Even when I just started antiandrogens without estrogen I got a lot more attention from girls.

I literally went from the person who nobody wanted to date to even being asked out once and flirted with lots.

Of course the cruel irony is that I didn't feel comfortable enough with my body for dating then and at least most of them were prob straight ;_;

>>7001006
>>6999979
>>6999932
that's because girls love to flirt and get attention, especially if they can do it without the expectation that they will have to sleep with the other person.
its also why straight women flirt with lesbians,
i never see hot 10/10s out with girly men

>>7000779
Not really. Its more like use it or lose it. And it gets harder to get an erection in the first place.

A lot of transgirls who can't get erections at all just stop masturbating because their need to masturbate goes down and they lose their ability to get an erection since they don't even get erections anymore without T night time erections.

I've been on antiandrogens for 3 years and estrogen for about a year and I still get full erections.

I don't get an erection just from thinking and fantasizing about lewd things and I can do anal without getting an erection, but if I'm aroused and have physical stimulation at the same time I can easily get one.

I don't really have any desire to top, but I still get aroused really often and masturbate at least once a week even though my T levels are nuked, so thats probably why I still get them.

I did go a month or two without masturbating once when I was really depressed and it was painful to get an erection for a few weeks afterwards and I didn't get as hard but then it went back to normal after a while of regular masturbating.

I think a lot of transgirls in porn do stop antiandrogens for a few days though for cum. Like on hrt your cum is really thin and clear not thick and white.

>>7000817
>Its just that no one cares who or what women desire
this.

>>7000779
This >>7001083
I also can get erections. I just need somebody I like to make the moves on me. Personally, I get depressed if I try to thrust. On the other hand, my partner can ride me and I love it.

>>6999979
>>6999979
>studies suggesting that women ovulating are into masculine men, whereas they're into feminine men otherwise

so like 85% of western women in society

>>6989376
i honestly hate being fetishize by "straight" men cause they want women with dicks and i just wanna be a woman

>>7006056
keep complaining, youre halfway there

>>7006062
thanks my dude lmao

>>7000824
Drag queens exist because presentation is one of the options that is set at different time than sex, gender, and orientation. Thus it can have a different value. Around 4% of the population are crossdressers.

>>7001044
>i never see hot 10/10s out with girly men
been there done that.

>>6989376
because nobody want's to be a man
remember when the nazis came into power and everyone decided to become a jew? replace nazi with SJW and jew with cis het white(spits) male

>>6989413
>women aren't funny

>>6989413
Tfw and no image wew lad

>>7000817

>Its just that no one cares who or what women desire

I don't think that's true at all, the news and media constantly talks about women issues and concerns. The world is more custom built to handle and talk about women.

>>7000883

Why would a "normal" female want to be with man with a vagina? Unless she's a closet case.

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>>6989376
A lot of straight guys are secretly turned on by dicks a little bit. People believe it's kind of an evolutionary thing. If a straight guy sees another (sizeable) dick in a sexual context, the animal part of his brain says "COMPETITION! CUM IN THAT VAGINA BEFORE HE DOES!" and he becomes sexually aroused, in order to impregnate the female before the perceived challenging male can. But this isn't a conscious process, so when a guy sees an attractive woman's body (object of arousal/desire) with a competing male organ in the middle of it (object of competition), it results in a double-whammy of sexual arousal that the guy can't explain.

Either way, this means that even if an MTF is "straight" (I.E wants straight men) and still has a dick, odds are (s)he can still get a straight guy, because men are also more likely to be sexually experimental and often separate their desires for sex and for companionship. It's easier to find a curious straight guy or convince one to try something different, even if just for sex. It also says something about how straight men see femininity. A "girl" can be short, tall, narrow, curvy, soft, or muscular, and men can still see her as "feminine", womanly, and potentially sexually attractive.

However, when it comes to straight women, sexuality is much different. Due to the way our courtship rituals work, women (desirable women) regularly turn down many, many, totally adequate and masculine men on a regular basis, in favor of the most masculine, confident, sexually skilled, and powerful men. So even most cis men who are totally masculine and have fully-functional normal-sized cocks have trouble winning the desires of an attractive straight woman. Now, if you bring an FTM into the fold, things look even more bleak.

cont...

>>6989376
MTF have dicks and tits

FTM have cunts that smell like man

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>>7009502
>cont...
Women talk about relationship requirements, things like "I like to feel his big, strong arms around me", "I need a guy who's taller than me by at least a couple inches so I can feel small and delicate and safe around him", "I love his deep, sexy voice" and "He's alright, I guess, but his dick is really small and he's just not pleasing me in bed, I keep thinking of other guys around him..." etc. FTMs are generally shorter (hormone therapy can't grow your body taller), generally less muscular, and usually more vagina-y than cis men. Also, being trans, confidence isn't something that naturally comes to them in droves. On top of all that, women can usually spot a trans person better than guys can. Given all these things, cis women pretty much want nothing to do with FTMs, because for them, it's literally the worst of all worlds. No sexual attraction, no emotional attraction, and then the whole "I'm hot and successful, why would I settle for something that isn't even a real man when I could probably get a celebrity if I tried hard enough?" thing.

Cis lesbians are crazy about FTMs because it's basically just a hyper-lesbian, but that's the problem for FTMs: Cis lesbians like women, and FTMs are (internally) male. They don't want to be loved/lusted over as a woman, they want to be appreciated as a man, and so cis Lesbians are out.

Straight cis men also tend to like FTMs because they just see "tomboy", vagina and all. The perfect combination of a woman's body and a fellow man's mind. BUT it's the same problem. Straight cis men see a woman, where the FTM is supposed to be a man.

cont...

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>>7009616
>cont...
Gay cis men have no interest in FTMs at all either, because not only do FTMs lack most defining "masculine" bodily traits, they also don't have a dick, and physical sexuality is extremely important for gay guys. After all, it's not like 'dick' kind of snuck itself into their repertoire like with straight guys, 'dick' takes the forefront. They actively gave up vagina because they specifically wanted dicks.

So basically, as long as people still see "men" as "big, tall, strong, deep voice, big dick, loves to fuck", then FTMs' biggest prospects are basically just:
>Straight guys who want them as a woman
>Fetishist straight guys who want them as a woman with a man's mind
>Fetishist straight guys who pretend to be "gay" for the FTM as long as they still have a vagina
>Lesbians who want them as a woman
>Fetishist lesbians who want them as a woman with a man's mind
>Fetishist lesbians who pretend to be "straight" for the FTM as long as they still have a vagina
>Other trans people with their loopy trans sexuality matrices

A bleak picture, indeed.

it's kinda how i've seen it always.

MtF women have a harder time passing but an easier time with sexual stuff. Even without SRS, they can still have sex in way that don't cause dysphoria (anal).

FtM men have an easier time passing because T is really strong, but when it comes to sex they need some weird contraption that can pump up their dick

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>>7009502
>>7009616
>>7009622
Cute
Not true at all
But cute

>>7010080
Fetishist pretending to be homosexual detected.

Tell your partner the truth before they find out the hard way that you're only with them for the genitals.

It's not fair to deceive them.

>>6989376
Pornindustrie caters to men, because they spend the most....
most men are interesstet in woman(feminine things)

>>6989376
aint nobody want that gross frankendick

>>6989376
Cis gay male, I think ftm is pretty hot actually.

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>>7010126
You are adorable

>>7009502
>A lot of straight guys are secretly turned on by dicks a little bit.
haha no

>>7009502
>>7009616
>>7009622
Then what is the reason that Ftms are always married or in relationships and mtfs are quietly fucked behind the scenes and abandoned?

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>>6989776
>If they're straight, lots of lesbians fetishize them for being super butch and down to earth

>lesbians
>wanna make love to a creature full of testosterone

Something makes me confused.

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>>7009616
Bullshit.
I am a mtf and I love ftms, they look so hot and strong enough to pick me up and throw me on the bed even if they are short.

>>7010416
yeah i think you can devise as many conspiracy theories as you want but evidence really speaks for itself

some ftms have hoards of teenage girls making youtube fan videos about them (jeydon wale) and fangirling over them

never seen any guys begging to fuck laverne cox

>>7010444
lesbians are so hypocritical
they say they would never suck on a man's balls yet they literally want to bang ballsack-smelling manholes

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>>7009616
>The perfect combination of a woman's body and a fellow man's mind.
Lol. That's how I describe my sympathy for MtFs.

just another MtF

>>7009616
>The perfect combination of a woman's body and a fellow man's mind
i thought mtfs were supposed to have female minds?
and having dicks means they have a male body.
so a female mind and a male body?

>>7010481
can't you read?

they were LITERALLY talking about FTMs

>>7010490
oh

Because most people who claim to be ftm are just dykes with short hair who never actually transition. And they're usually just saying they're trans so people will listen to them. So there's a huge negative connotation now. Cuntboys were a lot more popular before 2013. lol

>>6989376
because strong jawlines are attractive, even in women

because sexuality is enticed by the male. Men seek out women(or other men)
when someone 'pretends' to be a man, but does not have the same genetic attitude encoded in them, it fucks the entire dynamic up.

also, the fact that every single FtM i have seen tries to be a 'stereotypical man' is a pretty big fucking turn off. Most of them have the most crude, gross profiles on grindr. Most seem unable to act ambiguous... Its usually stupid shit like "I fart runny beans... har de har har!!!"

>>7009298
because the people attracted to them, like themselves, are 'broken'.

On the plus side, they cant reproduce, and since most of them have a host of other serious issues(anorexia or obesity, self harm, autism, etc...) they are probably barren anyways.

Its a quirky little footnote for the 21st century. I feel like 20-50 years from now this issue will have resolved itself. Lets just enjoy the freakshow while its live.

>>6989376
Because testosterone destroys a womens meat locker

>>6989850
It's high level autism.

>>7010444
That is one manly jpg :)

>>7010444
Damn are they both ftm?

>what's their routine and how do I look like that? Lift and dirty bulk or what?

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>>7010942
Fuck.
I agree with you. I might be broken and feel a sense of comradery with trans men. I am deeply attracted to men and butch women. Even though, I present myself as bi cis male my gender is female; I am too masculine to transition so I have accepted my fate.

I see trans men as men who are my polar opposite and I find them hot. Their soft body hair and their masculine bodies. They also have a scent to them that turns me on. People see me with my man and think we are cute gay couple. But in my soul I feel we are a straight couple. I am woman with a penis who looks like a man, who is with her man who has no penis, but is all man.

I am probably doing an awful job in expressing myself :(

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>>7010407
Ha ha yeah, get over it faggot.

a man without a penis is inferior

>>7000779
What? I'm a cis-woman and I enjoy fucking much more than being fucked. Maybe I'm a freak yeah, but I'm definitely not dysphoric.

>>7000817
I'm an openly bisexual woman and I'm much more into MtFs. Maybe I'm just more attracted to femininity but I'd say a vagina on an otherwise masculine body looks awful while a dick on a feminine body is tolerable.

>>7000779
Except my penis works totally fine and I'm a year on hrt. Fucker shrunk though. 6 inches to 4. I don't mind topping a girl or femboy with it but at this point I doubt it'd be very satisfactory. A strap on might be better desu. Plus I bet with a little finagling you could use a strap on and a chastity cage. That's the kind of multilayered ironic sex I can get behind.

>>7013357
>bisexual woman
>on /lgbt/
>not only tolerates but likes mtfs

post chromosomes

>>7009502
>>7009616
>>7009622
Do MTF next.

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>>7013357
>a vagina on an otherwise masculine body looks awful
It hurts even more because its true

>>6989376
Because FTMs are some of the most dreadful, nightmarish creatures anyone living in this realm can imagine.

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>this whole thread

>>6995157
I'll get my keys.

>>7016777
>t. MtF

>>7011282
nah, this post is sweet. i'm sorry transitioning didn't turn out to to be the best choice for you, but you and your bf sound cute and i hope things turn out well for you both.

Where to start?

1) Masculinity is alway toxic, therefore the person is becoming toxic.
2) Everyone already has two holes available, but cocks are hard to come by. Everyone loves the cock.
3) Squeaky wheel gets the Crisco ... F2Ms live pretty quietly.
4) Everyone hates short guys.

>>7019115
>t.dyke

>>6989376
>but not FTMs
Because vaginas aren't sexy. Mtfs are hit because it's a hot girl with a dick, and even if you aren't into masculinity at all a dick still feels hot AF because it's active, you do stuff with a dick, but if you're into masculine people odds are you aren't into vaginas because it's passive, you do things to a vagina, so it's boring

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>>6989376
Because MtF cater to the power fantasy of some men to reduce another man to the sexual and social role of a woman, thus widening the powergap between the transsexual and the fetishist. Some men also harbor the belief that they themselves are useless and see the chance to fuck a transsexual their only chance of getting laid.

Why would such people want a FtM? That's directly threatening, vagina or not.

The reason why women doesn't like FtM is that they're not masculine enough, or because they don't have penises.

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>>7010932
>tfw caraanon
>tfw like the scent of female-privilege-endowed, FtM runnybeans

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>>7016777
riiight

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>>7020158
am i a bretty gurl?

>>7019241
How about the fact you can't get them pregnant, they are more likely to give better head and fuck you and be fucked. Plus the feminine form is hot af regardless of sex.

I'm intersex biologically, but I suppose closest to ftm/transmasc

What do cisguys think about ftm femboys like myself???

>>7020718
>ftm femboy
You mean woman?

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>>6995420
I agree. They'll never be real men to me, it just doesn't register.

Bone structure, strength, and appendages included.

>>7019198
>Because vaginas aren't sexy.
Said no one ever. Besides gay dudes.

>>7024631
I'm bi and I like women with nice asses

I don't care which hole I put it into, really. Vaginas do nothing for me.

>>7020372
>How about the fact you can't get them pregnant
That isn't a positive trait
women are literally not good for anything else.
plus by the time they are finished with their transition they are 25+ old hags

>>7020727
Just like an mtf tomboy is a man?

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>>6989376
>not FTMs
>>7022732
>They'll never be real men

Laith-Asheley de la Cruz
is a pretty hot trans man

>>7009543
>FTM have cunts that smell like man
might actually prefer that, my one experience with girl cunt was vile.

>>6994511
There is no such thing as a "Transwoman" It's just a made up word.

Most ftm are too awkward and unfriendly to still be received as sexy in my life.

>>7025145
All words are mad eup words

>>6995420
pussy > ass

>>7010157
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.

>>7025885
Did someone hurt you, anon?