/HRTGen/ HRT General 012: Honey, i shrunk my penis

My dick barely works and I basically never get horny at 25mg cypro per day.

Any way to bring function and desire back? Kinda killing my sex life.

>>6945944
how long on cypro

can spiro kill my sex drive ? i still can masturbate with now 150mg/d
been on spiro since 06. sept

I'm assuming this would be the right place to ask about Fin and Duta?

Anyway, I'm a cis dude. My hair is thinning around my temples, and I'm pretty sure it's thyroid related rather than regular MPB since the former runs in my family and the latter does not.

Would either of those drugs help me regrow what I've lost? Or am I fucked forever?

Shape the future of the 4chan rules on /lgbt/. Hiro is open to changing 4chan rules, but only in response to a consensus agreement on a board. Here is the thread for discussion:
>>6945955

>>6945363
someone pls answer

>>6945944
If you want dick fuction, switch to bica (in OP pic) has a low instance of sexual dysfunction and impotence - at 7.4 years follow-up, the rates of decreased libido and impotence were only 3.6% and 9.3% in the 150 mg/day bicalutamide monotherapy group relative to 1.2% and 6.5% for placebo, respectively.
Source: link.springer.com/article/10.2165%2F00003495-200666060-00007
>tldr- stop nuking your dick switch to bica.
Putting andractim gel on it, like the ftm (and cis-females who just want larger clits) do to grow their clits to get more sensitivity and tiny erections, would wake your benis up... if you haven't been nuking it for too long. Andractim doesn't build up in your system and masculinize like most types. Keep to a 3 month on-off cycles until enough of the benis is resurrected. You'd use less than a pea size amount directly on the clit tip, er - benis in this case. I don't see it mentioned here much its mostly on body mod forums. allsaintsclinic.org
>tldr- put andractim on your dick for benis resurrection (or clit growth and stiffies if you're ftm and reading this)

>>6946066
reduce of muscle mass.
lower sex drive.
reduced sperm production.
I even heard it gives slight boob growth, but reversible if stopped.
and of course if you do it long enough it will give you bone damages.

>>6946090
Female-typical fat distribution on the abs is the default, so an AA would be good for that.

>>6946090
http://www.slideshare.net/roger961/hormone-replacement-therapy-for-transgenders-dos-and-donts
also this.

>>6946099
any changes to the face? or do i have to take estrogen for that

>>6946066
Ok, you're asking about the estrogenic side effects of androgen deprivation therapy.

Here you go: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2213888/

>>6946103
We have no research on the facial fat tissue. A SERM is sufficient for skin, I do not know about AA alone.

>>6943932
b-bump

>>6946115
You uh ... yeah man. Good luck with that.

>>6946035
If your thinning is being effected by dht, then finasteride and dutasteride would help. do you know how your condition is effecting your hormones?

>>6946089

>at 7.4 years follow-up, the rates of decreased libido and impotence were only 3.6% and 9.3%

This is 7.4 years after stopping bica. It doesn't really represent people who are currently on bica.

vote hrtgen

http://www.strawpoll.me/11283612/

>>6946432
>>6946089
Study with longer duration:
4 years of treatment with the anti-androgen bicalutamide (50mg daily) appears to have very little impact on testis ultrastructure and sperm maturation.
Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11260298

>>6946489

>testis
Spermatogenesis is not the same as dick function.

>>6946491
Yeah, I don't know what you mean then - since dick function doesn't include sperm and fertility apparently. So if dick function isn't specific enough then tell me what we're talking about and what spermotogenis is related to in this conversation? You need to be more specific, most ppl mean the entire set when they say dick function on here.

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>>6946517

You yourself recommended bica to avoid "sexual dysfunction and impotence".

That typically includes the ability to get and sustain erections.

And the anon you were talking to was talking about how his dick barely functions. I don't think spermatogenesis has much to do with his sex life.

>>6946716

>thought this was /femgen/
>fucked up the pronouns

S-sorry anon-chan.

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QHI haven't responded to my order in over a week. Is it fair to assume that they forgot about my email, and resend it, or are they just slow?

>>6946744
famously slow afaik

Can I just switch from Cypro to Bica?

are there any other changes or preparations I need to make

>>6945886
why do we take oestrogen but no progestin?

>>6947286
cypro is a progestin f a m

>>6946103
If you're young it might stop your face from becoming more masculine but it won't do what Estrogen does

Even if you think that scientifically cyproterone is more viable than spiro, I have personally tested on myself and cyproterone doesn't do that much and also makes you a terrible person. Mixing both together causes itchy inflamed penis tissue and other many side-effects.

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>>6948115
>makes you a terrible person

>>6948115
Please try to avoid being a crazy tranny rather than a well-adjusted and sane transgirl

>>6948115
I switched to cypro after taking spiro for like 1 1/2 years and damn it did change me mentally... Post-SRS now and I'm still the terrible person CPA made me.

Dont take that shit, go with bica.

>>6948657
I thought bica is way less effective?

>>6948783
Bica doesnt lower t production but blocks its absorption

>>6948783
At least it's not one androgen to replace another...
I had it for a short time before SRS and compared to all I had I can say in hindsight it felt the most like an orchi.

I'm not quite sure how you'd measure the efficacy of something like bica though?

>>6946803
If you have been on Cypro for while your balls will likely take some time to recover and you can just make the switch in one day, just stop cypro and start bica.

You can likely expect your T level to rise again once stooping cypro, but bica should work well enough to block it if you have a good dose

I'm getting started on HRT soon, self-medicating (I know, I know, but wtf else do I do) Is 2mg Estrofem + anti-androgen a good starting dose? Do you guys prefer Cypro or Bica?

Got my first asset chemist package today, there's a tiny faded return address (the rest of the labels aren't faded at all), and the content label is doctor's handwriting lmao). If this is how they always package, seems pretty anonymous.

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>>6946803
Since cypro suppresses adreanal function, stopping all at once is a BAD IDEA. It can cause damage or send you into adrenal crisis.

Bicalutamide has a biological half life of about a week, and takes a while to reach peak concentration in the blood. I would personally consider starting slightly before going completely off cypro, to be on the safe side of ensuring no masculinizing effects.

>>6951370
The typical step-down increment for cypro is in steps of 50mg, though, and our doses usually aren't higher than that.

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>>6951451
Fair enough [Citation Needed]. I assume that most people on here aren't doctors either, so I always try to play it on the safe side when there are risks that I'm not sure have been considered.

Thanks for your insight, famalam.

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>>6951633
Personally, I just moved down to 100mg/d. I can't really speak for the effectiveness of lower dosages.

It seems that the vast majority of mtf trans here take 50/day. Can someone weigh in on why that is?

>>6951711

Why do you take so much?
I take 50 mg every other day, mainly based one the fact that 50 mg is the standard dose for prostate cancer, and what I read on various forums/by searching.

>>6945886
German human here again who wants to self-medicate.
Are there any self medding compatriots? I got told to check AssetChemist and Brandmedicines. I looked up reviews on trustpilot for AC and they seem to follow the rules more now. About 15% wrote that they didn't get the medicine after paying.
Brandmedicine has all the recommended brands in opposite to AC. Buuut after registering there'd still no order button instead it says 'APPROVAL PENDING' (since two days). Is it because I got no registration conformation mail..?

>>6951753

Just to clarify I said every other day, so 25 mg/day.

I just switched from spiro to bica recently and am on that dose.
Also if you think about it we have estrogen to balance out/negate the T overproduction caused by bica monotherapy in prostate cancer patients.

>>6951782

50 every other day. The half life is so long (over 4 days) that it shouldn't matter much, it seems like? I'm still on spiro for a bit, and planning to ween myself off over a few months. Bica takes 4-12 weeks to reach steady state concenrations apparently. Right now I'm on 200 mg/day of spiro. Might get a blood test in a month or two before dropping down to 100 and then eventually 0.

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>>6951728
Well, 50mg to prevent flare in patients already on GnRH agonists. As monotherapy its used off-label, and more like 150mg (from what I've read).

I only take a high dosage to quell my own anxiety over whether my body is still masculinizing.

>>6951904

Ah yeah I misspoke.
Still I think 50 mg would be sufficient. But admittedly I don't know for sure. If you have the money to spare though 100 mg probably wouldn't have any additional harmful side effects versus 50 mg so yeah.

A lot of people said 12.5-50 mg/day is enough for trans. My testosterone was in the low end of the male range (around 2.0) last time I checked before going on bica, which is why I decided to switch because I wanted to lower it but didn't want to have to take over 200 mg of spiro per day due to side effects. So I figured if my testosterone is already pretty low then it's probably fine to be on 25 mg/day. But I'll see. I've been thinking of going up to 50 mg/day but I think I'll at least get a blood test before making that choice.

Is bicalcumide really more efficient in destroying body hair and possibly facial hair than cypro? I'm worried I'll make the switch and lose my boobs and curves cause my test was probably pretty high.

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>>6951941
Yeah, I am (was) in the middle of male puberty, so my testosterone is sky high (likely less after taking oestrogen).

Cost is a big issue. I was budgeting $40 per week not too long ago.

I should probably get bloodwork done, but I'm too scared to go to the doctor. x.x

>>6951999

Ah how old? I was 21 when I started but I sort of had a late puberty so it might have also been in the peak, and even after a few months had really high testosterone even after being on 100 mg spiro for like half a year, after which I eventually increased it to 200. But gradually it's gone down I guess. Although bica doesn't directly suppress T so I wonder how it's gonna go after stopping spiro.

Money is also an issue for me but like HRT is one of my highest spending priorities, still it's hard to

Yeah you should get blood work like a few months after changing doses, don't be scared!

>>6945964
I think 8 months or so, I haven't been keeping track, never really have. I also have over two years of taking spiro before this.
>>6946089
I'm not too interested in switching to bica, at least for now. Mainly because what I have works very well as is and on top of this I have a decent stockpile that would go to waste.
I might consider it for the future, but at the same time I don't know how effective it'd be in reviving my sex drive because of the years I've been taking other AA's.

I'd need to read up more on andractim but considering ~3 years of other AA's combined, do you think it would even do much?

I don't care about dick size, it's more just wanting to get erections and not having to force myself to masturbate or do sex acts, and wanting to not take 5000 years to orgasm with a half-erect dick.

Would things like viagra maybe be a better option?

>>6952233

True. But still I want to see my estrogen levels and T levels which would be an indication of how well the estrogen is blocking T production I guess. If my T has shot up after getting on bica maybe I'll consider going to 50 mg/day just to be safe, but if it's low enough maybe I'll stay on 50 mg every other day.

But yeah true lol.

I'm starting 100mg progesterone for 10 days of the month in a week, I was wondering if I should take it AM or PM, or if it doesn't really matter either way. I've heard that antiandrogens are more effective taken PM because production of testosterone increases during sleep, and am curious if there's any similar reasoning behind a pseudo-androgenic hormone.

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How do these numbers look, MtF ~1 year 100mg Spiro and 2mg sublingual estradiol

Ignore the prolactin levels

>>6952344
>sublingual estradiol
>getting bloodtests
Well, your T is too high, I can tell you that. Measuring E on SL intake is nonsense.

>>6952358
Not that anon, but how do you accurately measure sublingually taken estrogen then?

>>6952344
Your testosterone is in between male and female ranges, it should be less than about 40.

Your Estradiol is a /little/ low but it's within normal.

Your prolactin is weirdly high given your T and E levels, you may have some underlying issue to blame, idk

>>6952358
That's actually not true, there's a spike and than it metabolizes faster for a short while, but eventually it settles into a similar decay to that of oral estradiol once it reaches normal levels. You should still test SL E.

>>6952376
You can't. Best would be just before your next dose I suppose. But then you have to consider that when looking at your levels. If your doses are 12h apart, you can take the result you get and multiply that by roughly 3 or so and then you got the level you have shortly after taking your pill.

Just a wild estimate, dont quote me on the 3, but levels spike and drop so fast its near impossible to tell. Assuming the 149 whatever unit that even is were just before your next dose, that sounds about right, if it was just after you took the pill its way too low. If its inbetween two doses you might wanna try 3mg.

>>6952344

E is good if that's just before a dose.
Yeah up your spiro a bit maybe. 150 or 200.

>>6952414
would i be better off splitting my spiro through the day, like 50 at 12am, 50 at 12 pm? That blood test was about 24 hours after I had taken a spiro/estradiol dose

>>6952420
Spiro has a half life of 11 hours iirc.

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>>6951762
don't ignore me i need help

>>6952423
so I probably should then...hrm

i'm not too worried about e levels because I got bumped up to 3mg and that blood test was like 20 someodd hours after a dose anyhow.

>>6952383
yeah the prolactin levels went down, my doc kept an eye on them. my boobs were leaking for a while because of that

the t levels are sorta my main concern, albeit this was almost a year ago...i think I may start splitting my spiro every 12 hours. the e levels like I said above are less of a concern because my dosage was upped and that blood test was a while after my dose.

What happens if you take 200 mgs of progesterone I accidentally did so today and kinda worried.

>>6952452
Well, you might feel the symptoms associated with the menstrual cycle more intensely but it's not gonna do anything that bad aside from maybe make you feel shitty,

>>6952469
Okay good I have been really Moody today lol guess that's why plus my stomach hurts super bad too but maybe that's a symptom.

Anyone ever use online testing like these?

https://www.directlabs.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwpNm-BRCJ3rDNmOuKi9IBEiQAlzDJH_TSrNGfECYoJB7alP9_-ZnE7RwVIaUoSaERq_JfxiYaAr8v8P8HAQ

http://livewelltesting.com/all-products/zrt-single-panel-hormone-imbalance-home-test-kit/?utm_medium=googleshopping&utm_source=bc&gclid=Cj0KEQjwpNm-BRCJ3rDNmOuKi9IBEiQAlzDJHz8okxWCYgOhYI2YHVyHJK3eaMeQxJt1oX3jJwk35zAaAtny8P8HAQ

>>6952420

Yeah I recommend it, that's what I do.

>>6952436

I read your post but I'm not German, anon. Why don't you email them and ask?

>>6952565

Don't lower your AA after three months lol. And that T level is still elevated compared to female range. Unless you're on bica go back to your previous dose.

>>6952565

Oh wait if this is saliva them I'm not sure. Disregard post. But yeah keep your previous dose if you were satisfied with your T level at that dose...

>>6952577

Ah, I thought that was male ranges lol. Still, better to have lower T than higher T imo.

>>6952565
Now I'm.worried I'll have huge t on 100mgs of cypro for 8 months and 4mgs of estrofem. Thinking of switching to bica cause my partner is convinced I can't cum because he sucks at sex he definitely doesn't but he won't listen to me at all. So I figured I'd let my dick comeback for him but the moment I see its ineffective he'll just have to think he sucks I guess not being a hairy man beast.

>>6952607
T will be completely nuked with 100 mg cypro alone, even without estrofem.

>>6951472
>[Citation Needed]
I don't have it to hand right now, but that what the insert recommends, lowering by 50mg every few weeks

>>6952607

Not sure if bica really spares dick function.

>>6951472
What >>6951451 said is true.

Prostate cancer patients are often put on 300mg cypro per day, so for them the step-down thing is actually important, but for trannies, our doses are too small for it to matter.

>>6952621
This is why I worry I have super t cause at that dose I still produce some stuff but I guess bf is going to have to just get over his cum fetish or something lol.

Oh I lowered it to 50mgs for him been about 2 months on the lower dose. Like I'm worried I'm doing something wrong cause I really don't look like a chick like at all my body kinda does but there's been no fat rrdistibution to my ugly man face

>>6952623
I don't think.it's working like I.swear nothing except tiny a cups some thighs and bigger but. I'm on progesterone now I hope it helps round some facial features out and boob growth.

>>6952538
I wrote an email.
More important to me would be details about the method to avoid sending in a prescription - and the reason why the request for medication is exceeding 28 days.

>>6946115
Why do this give me a stiffy though?

>>6952691
Why take it? Oh I meant ability to you know produce uh cum my bf is pretty weird about this i bet he has a fetish or something.

>>6952051
I did cypro for about 3 months at 17.5, with t in the upper male range. Then went off it while I was travelling abroad (no prescription), and saw an increase in body hair growth, freaked out, and went on 150mg bicalutamide, which was probably overkill.

>>6952639
>>6952704
Thanks. Sorry, I just came from back from reading dodgy, unsubstantiated claims on another thread.

People tend to pull facts out of thin air on 4chan.

>>6953634
Personally, I don't eject anything on bica. Its still difficult to get erections. Not too difficult ;). definitely no spontaneous erections though.

Are health issues on HRT actually a big concern? I haven't had blood tests of any kind in a long time. I don't know what to look for really but nothing has really been concerning. The doctor I used to see for this left the hospital I go to, so I haven't had any check-ups.

I've been self medding for a little over 2 years now. I smoke weed and do research chems but that's presumably not related.

>>6954273
For the most part no, but blood clots on E can be a problem, especially if you smoke cigs.

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>>6954313
>tfw upping E dosage and every minor pain becomes a blood clot in your mind

>>6954330
>>6954313

I take 8mg e and 200mg spiro, I've changed my dose a few times since I've been tested. So here's hoping I'm not killing myself.

>>6954345
You should be fine. Like I said, risk of clots does go up a lot, but it's still such a rarity as long as you're otherwise healthy that you probably don't have to worry much. Those dosages seem pretty typical for other people on here.

>>6953634

The only thing I've heard that bica preserves is spermatogenesis (in prostate cancer patients with no estrogen to suppress T). Actual sperm cells don't even correspone much to cum since the ingredients of cum are is produced in a variety of glands afaik. I'd imagine you might get like little to no ejaculate but still have sperm cells in the few drops that come out or still in your testicles, kind of thing.

>>6945886
Let's try again. I want to self-medicate in germany and people here recommended AssetChemist. But AC has some bad reviews that they took the money but didn't deliver the substances. They seem to be follow the rules more. So what do you write into these prescription needed boxes? Especially the reason why the request for medication is exceeding 28 days.

>>6955588
2/2 for orders here, no problems.

You just need to say your doctor is out of the country/on vacation/etc, this is also the reason for medication exceeding 28 days (say you don't know when your doctor will be back).

>>6955657
Thanks sweetheart!
And how long does delivery need into your country?

>>6955710
First order shipped in 2 days, then took 3 weeks to get here, second one didn't update so I'm not sure how long between shipping and arrival, total was 4 weeks.

Should be faster for Europe unless German customs are crazy.

Good luck!

So I switched from 50mg of cypro to 50mg of bica + 0,5mg of duta (+4mg of estrofem which I started 1.5 years ago with cypro) and after one month I felt like my breast was smaller and I started to grow hairs again in some area. I don't know if anyone experienced the same thing.

So I'm trying another thing now : Bica 50mg + duta 0,5mg + cypro 50mg + progesterone 200mg (+estrofem 4mg). It's been 3 weeks and I feel like my breast is growing really really faster, and hairs growth is really really slowing down. So maybe bica + cypro is good idea. My liver enzyme are still normal by the way.

Ps : I'm a med student that's why I can test every drugs I want, and It's free ^^

>>6948115
Nice objective evidence you've got there.

>>6956183
Wait did you write the same reason the second time and they accepted it?

>>6952790
Blood test

>>6956887
>So I switched from 50mg of cypro to 50mg of bica
I want to do this but I heard it's dangerous to just switch, you need to wean yourself off Cypro?

>>6957241
@ 50mg decrements idd; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate#Withdrawal
But you can do 25 at a time if you want too as the wiki state ""no more than 50mg""

>>6957317
How do you decrease in increments of 50mg when your daily dose is 50mg?

Could I do 25mg every other day or something like that?

So what exactly does bicalutamide do for an individual, I'm a bit confused still. It doesn't stop you from producing testosterone but stops you from...what, growing a beard? The OP image is a tiny bit vague.

>>6957358

The OP images are shit, do not believe them.

Bicalutamide blocks activation of the androgen receptor protein (AR), which is how your body senses T. When T binds to and activates the AR, it signals your cells to masculinize your body. Bicalutamide binds to the AR but doesn't activate it, which blocks testosterone from activating the AR, so your cells won't get the signal to masculinize.

>>6957325
It means at such low doses you can basically just cold turkey..
Weaning off is more for those on 100-300 mg /day.

Hi all mtf, this might be a dumb question but I am really looking at starting on HRT but I want a kid, freezing is super expensive so not an option, at what stage does HRT make me sterile ?

>>6957414
Who even does 100mg+ other than cancer patients?

>>6957483
Trannies who are so fucking lazy to not even do proper research. You can't imagine how many of those exist.
The SRS is 40k$+ meme is also very alive and kicking...

On the other side you have trannies doing like 100mg spiro left and right.

Is it really OK to only do 25mg Bica every other day?

Should I at least start with something higher like 25mg every day or 50mg every other day?

why the fuck do we need 4 transgens?

>>6957569
mtfg is just a circlejerk and full of drama
hrt and trans actually offer help and advice
ftmg I guess since the culture is different to mtfg

>>6957562
25 every other day is like the minimum I've seen
recommended. Do you know your T levels? Idk personally I take 50 every other day.


>>6957569
Because trips are cancer.

>>6957583
>Do you know your T levels?
yeah, they're low enough since I'm switching from Spiro

>Idk personally I take 50 every other day.
is that what you started with and is it serving you well?

>>6957393
That explains a bit, but I guess I'm still a bit in the dark as I'm not 100% sure what a sudden lack of testosterone means, I assume relatively little if I'm not also taking estrogen?

>>6957595

I also just switched from spiro like 2 weeks ago hah, I'm actually still taking spiro while my bica levels build (takes 4-12 weeks apparently).
My T levels were like borderline sub/low male range, but not female range really after like 8 months on that dose (6 mg E-valerate, 200 mg spiro). So I can't say. I do feel like slightly less muscular but I'm not sure yet.

>>6957622

A lack of testosterone would equate to less activation of the AR, so decreased masculinization. Trans usually try to get testosterone into or under the normal female range.

Bica actually causes an increase both in estrogen and testosterone if you don't take any estrogen. This is because your brain can no longer sense the T in the body, and so it tells your testicles to increase T production. It also produces a bit of estrogen and testosterone in the pituitary gland. So you might see some feminizing effects from bica alone, supposedly. But note that it won't lower your T, but actually increase it. But still it blocks it from activating the AR, which is how T makes an impact on the body.

One point is that the concentrations of T are so high in the testicles where it is produced that bica won't necessarily block all of it in the testicles. Having T active in the testicles causes sperm production. So this has led to the conclusion that sperm production isn't necessarilly shut down by bicalutamide.

>>6957569
Because they cover different topics. Besides, the MtF generals are like >700 posts that are replaced every few hours; would you want to have to look though them (amongst all the trip drama and shitposting) for the HRT discussion (or the AGP discussion, or the FtM discussion)?

>>6957681
Interesting, so I could take Bica alone and get feminizing effects along with some not entirely undesired dong related effects?

>>6957681
Will Bica levels build at 50mg every other day or do I need to take it daily to start off?

>>6946031
I'm on 200 mg/day and I can masturbate but nothing comes out. feelsgoodman

>>6957766

The penis is a different story, as it has lower concentrations of T than the testicles. Bica still causes erectile dysfunction from what I've read and heard from anons.

>>6957769

According to wikipedia:

>Steady-state concentrations of the drug [bicalutamide] are reached after 4 to 12 weeks of administration independently of dosage,

So it should still build I think. The "acute" (not sure what this means) half-life its apparently 5.8 days and the "chronic" half-life is 7-10 days. So 50 every other day should be quite similar to taking 25 every day I think. But the steady-state concentration (plateau after buildup) depends on the dose. So you could presumably take 50 mg per day for a bit and jack the levels up faster, then go to every other day. That might help you reach the steady state concentration for the 50 mg every other day dosage a bit faster. Just my speculation though. But for lupron (I think) they do like an initial higher "loading dose" followed by periodic smaller "maintenance doses" every 28 days because it has a very long half life.

how do i convince my endo to stop gatekeeping me

>>6957936
Self med desu.

>>6957949
how much would it cost to add extra estrogen on the side? idk if id be able to afford it

i'm on 4mg estrogen and 200mg of spiro a day for 4 years and i can still cum buckets.

>>6957936

Self med and come back to them and straight up tell them they are prescribing you hormones because it's safer to get them prescribed than self med.

If they still say no continue to self med and find a new endo

>>6957955
I pay pretty much 1€ a day for E, but I need 8mg which is quite a lot.

I need a guide to progesterone. All the ones I've seen seem wildly different and use the term "cycle" with no explanation.

>>6956989
pretty much, not exactly the same wording but close

>>6957983
Ouh okay cool thanks again. So it would be a good idea to order for two months right?

>>6958328
Since they charge a prescription fee per-med, it's best to order lots, I just did 3 months at 200/4 for my first order.

Question...

After about ~4 days on spiro/estro, my nipples had all kinds of sensations. Kinda heavy, maybe even tingly, slight pain.

This only lasted for about 3 days and now i feel normal. Is this typical? Will it come and go, or am I just used to the sensations?

>>6957838
so, it's a dry orgasm? How long did it take to get there? Can you describe the changes along the way? Stages I guess?

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>>6958918
And they really don't add one and one together see the last order and get what we are trying?

>>6959002
They just want your money, this stuff is bare-minimum legal cover for them.

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>>6959013
I want to hug you thanks a lot.

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>>6959136
virtual hug!

The links in the OP say testosterone levels are highest in the evening/ at night, but I've noticed several trans people on youtube say that T levels are highest in the morning.
So what is the truth???

I'm asking because I want to know when is the optimal time of day to take cypro.
I'm self medding but only because its the only option as in live in a shitty country where it can take literally half a decade from telling doctors you are trans to getting hormones legitimately.

>>6959519
>I'm asking because I want to know when is the optimal time of day to take cypro.

Literally doesnt matter for cypro since it has such a long half life, your cypro levels are more or less stable.
Even more so for bica.

>>6945886
I wish I'd have frequented 4chan when I was first transitioning. I wanted to DIY so bad :( Oh well. Still got hormones earlier than 99% of trans people so I guess I'm still happy.

I've heard quite a few horror stories of what it takes to get hormones legitimately in various countries, but surprisingly little about America. Anyone able to give me an idea on how long it takes and how desperate you have to be to get it? I'm in Montana if anyone knows about there specifically.

UKBro's pls help

Is it possible to get any brand of bica in the UK without a prescription? I only have the option of self medding and would prefer not to nuke my dick from existence for the time being.

>>6959856
assetchemist

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>>6959862
Is there something im missing?

>>6959878
pretty sure they have a cheaper generic

just select 'I need a prescription', answer the questions (bs about your doctor being away), and boom, no real.prescription needed.

hi, ima 22 year old guy, is it too late for me to take hormones? im already pretty cute/feminine but I was wondering if I could take hormones for a couple months only, just to get a bit cuter and age better I guess... but i'm worried about growing boobs and not being able to get a boner anymore x.x

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Just to clarify, nobody actually takes hormones because they want to be a qt anime trap, right?

>>6960001
>>6960001
hmmmm...
n-no. i certainly dont take hormones because i want to be a qt 2D anime girl trap. nope nop.e

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>>6960001
Uh uh no way dude never

>>6959961
Definitely not too old. However, most of the changes will reverse, except for breast growth. So it's really not worth it if you don't commit to it.

>>6959961
Your hips become permanently fused by the mid 20s, but you can still get good results even if you start in the mid 30s.
Hormones must never be used "here and there." Even small amounts WILL cause some permanent damage. If you're worried about female changes, don't take female hormones.

>>6959645

Not sure about Montana but there's a streamlined thing called "informed consent" where you sign some paperwork saying you're trans. Look up "transgender informed consent clinic" for more info.

>>6959961

Try /femgen/.

>>6959961
Pic? I'll tell you if you have potential

>>6960458
Interesting. I googled it and apparently there's one in Helena. It's definitely a day long activity to go there from where I live, but it could be worse. Do you know if insurance pays for meds you get that way? Either way I'm probably going to try to find a psych to talk to first since I'm not 100% sure of my feelings, but if I end up hitting a wall and am more sure that I want to go through with this I'll make sure to go there.

>>6948783
why would you think that?

>>6952436
you didn't read their instructions

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>>6960348
so even if the hormones make my face or body more "feminine" they'll reverse if I stop taking them?? I'd have to take them forever?

>>6960442
Permanent damage? ...

>>6960549
Okay I guess.

>>6960614
boobs just don't ungrow

>>6960614
Fat distribution, muscle mass, skin texture and tone, body hair thickness and pattern, those kind of things reverse. Sexual response as well, for the most part. Breasts might shrink some due to fat distro back to male, but the actual glands wouldn't up and disappear after developing whatever amount. Your bones is the one biggie in terms of changes that could be affected at your age but not when you're old - lots of people say within a few years of your age.

Yeah, basically to keep changes and stay healthy, you need to get your levels right and stay there. You don't have ovaries, so you'll have to supplement for the rest of your life, and you have to take all of the changes or none of them - that's just the way human physiology works. You look fairly decent from this angle, I'd say just commit to being a woman and go informed consent if you can, injections for sure.

>>6960877
You recommend injections instead of pills/tabs? Doesn't this look gross after ! while?

>>6962327
there's nothing wrong with pills

>>6959631
How early?

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>>6959959
Do they actually not care about the prescription?

If there are scores of trannies on here telling them that our doctors are away, they must know that something is up.

>>6960560

>Do you know if insurance pays for meds you get that way?

Not 100% sure but I think so. You end up going to an endo anyway but you skip the whole psychological evaluation for the most part, from what I understand.

Yeah talking to a psych first might be a good idea.

>>6957962

What is your cum like texture and color wise? Maybe you should up your dose of either E or spiro.

Have you gotten a blood test recently?

>So maybe bica + cypro is good idea
this what i am hoping! Cypro to kill T and Bica to kill DHT

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>>6957393
>The OP images are shit, do not believe them.
I...I only wanted to help T_T

>>6963117

Awh sorry anon ;_;
I was exaggerating just don't want to see other anons being misled. It was mainly just that you originally said bicalutamide was a GnRH analogue that made me sort of annoyed.
Anyways they are kawaii and they do have some good info on them~
I'm sorry for being harsh, keep up the good work~

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>>6963117
>>6963141

Oh god I feel so bad now lol.
I wish I could take it back! :<
Sorry again...

ginger spots all over my left breast area started appearing after i started HRT. anyone has any idea what this might be?

>inb4 le breast cancer

>>6963233

Post pic.

Does Bicalutamide effect facial hair?

bit worried since I'm still getting laser, don't want the hair to become transparent or something like that

Strongly considering switching from spironolactone 200mg to 50mg bicalutamide.

I've experienced very little of the supposed bad side effects of spiro but am really interested in the effects on body hair bica has. From the discussion earlier it looks like troubled erections is still something even on bica. Oh well.

The most common reported side effects of spiro to my knowledge are frequent urination, dehydration and brain fog. Most of that from it being a diuretic and lowering testosterone.

What would you say are the most common side effects of bica? I looked it up and there's a laundry list of generic drug side effects for it.

Anyone on bicalutamide currently experiencing any of the following?
weakness, dizziness;
back pain, pelvic pain, joint or muscle pain;
increased nighttime urination;
upset stomach, vomiting, diarrhea or constipation;
weight changes;
dizziness, headache; or
sore throat, runny nose or other cold symptoms.

>>6965517
I'm experiencing most of those. Didn't think it was the bicalutamide

>>6963245
i'd rather not because my boobs look ugly

>>6965580
Interesting. Which of those is the most severe to you? The biggest deal breakers on that list for me is the diarrhea and vomiting.

Did you happen to take spiro or cypro first? And if so, did you experience side effects on it?

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>>6965517
I've been taking just bica for about a month so I'm not a great case but I haven't experienced any of these. I have a cold right now but I belive it is unrelated to bicalutide.

>>6965860
Thanks for your input as well. I'm at the 5 month mark with spiro and I feel like I've gotten decent effects from it with no apparent (unwanted) side effects, but I'm willing to deal with the price difference since bica seems "better". The superior body hair loss.


Unrelated to this:
I imagine the reason trials of bicalutamide monotherapy has near placebo-levels of decrased libido and erectile dysfunction and reports here are different are because of people taking estradiol in addition to it; dicks don't like estrogen.

I imagine the long-term effects of the estrogen I take with bicalutamide would definitely lead to less testosterone being produced (body seeing ample sex hormones and producing less) but as long as it doesn't hamper estrogen too much keeping a bit better erectile function would be better for me (non op). Maintaining what I have now would be fine, but I imagine it might continue to degrade.

I'm not concerned about going sterile so that apparent benefit from bicalutamide isn't as big of a deal for me.

How shit is spiro compared to cypro?

>>6965802
Weakness, dizziness, muscle pain, maybe constipation.

I was on cypro, and felt pretty depressed (wasn't taking oestradiol at the time).

if i take bica and ralox, as long as i masturbate daily, my dick should still work right?

>>6966335
Spiro is extreme shit in comparison.
t. have taken both

>>6967190
Yes.
I don't ejaculate any liquid though.

>>6965517
no side effects, about 7 months now (although only 2 were on 50mg)

>>6967190
don't even need to do it that often honestly

>>6968207
How much mg do you take now daily?

How much progynova should I take after the two weeks?

>>6968244
56.25

>>6968251
... Is that supposed to be a troll/joke?

>>6968267
no...

>>6967207
>>6966335
Have taken both aswell and cypro was garbage. Needed 300mg spiro though to get my T to where it should be.

>>6968251
>>6968290
What does that number mean. It doesn't sound reasonable at all. @_@

>>6968666
it's 3/8 of 150....
specifically i take 75 then 37.5 alternating

>>6968797
Why so complicated? Is there really a difference in increasing by 6.25mg?

And why is one 150mg bica offer 9.5£ (no brand info) and one casodex bica 239£ - both for 28 tabs ??

>>6968840
because cost and simplicity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_drug

>>6968873
Could you elaborate? Can I just get the cheap one and have same resulsts? I would pay under 50 shekels per month

Simplicity? How can can you quarter a tab properly? And why at all *-* do you develop resistance or something?

>>6968958
Yes the generic would work as well as the branded version of the drug.

>>6968958
More or less yeah. Its like with clothes, you pay for the brand rather than the piece of clothing.

My E and AA are all generics and work just fine,

>>6968328
Im interested to hear how cypro is garbage? I also went up to 300mg spiro and that wasn't enough to get into female level of T so my doctor switched me on cypro about 6 months ago, it got my levels fine and i saw more changes at first but the changes have kind of slowed down and im getting abit more depressed. Is that how people say it fucks with the mind? Im really afraid of all these people saying cypro is bad because spiro didn't work for me even at high levels and well cypro seemed like my best choice

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Cypro or bica?

>>6969049
looks like a typo

>>6969089
Might have been a typo/misunderstanding but there have been more reports here that cypro is bad...
example:
>>6948115
>>6948657

Also I take 2 daily Diane 35s like these: https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-962-diane-35-21s.aspx and I was wondering if any of you guys have used it and if it was any good? How are the levels in these? (Cyproterone acetate 2mg/ethinyl estradiol 0.035mg)

>>6957393
only problem with this is that since the T isn't stopped from producing, DHT levels are still a factor which can lead to pattern baldness I believe.

>>6969121
Don't do contraceptives. They don't do anything for you and are much higher risk than any of the other meds.

>>6969049
300mg spiro is quite a lot so it makes sense to switch to something else if that's not enough. And yea CPA is a mood killer. It's also an androgen. Same as spiro, but more potent afaik. Judging from my own experience I'd avoid it at all costs. And it was the androgenic effects I noticed when switching from spiro that made me read up on the fact it's in fact an AR agonist.

It's not the stone age anymore, prostate cancer = spiro/CPA/others, transsexuality = bica/GnRH agonists/Orchi. And possibly enzalutamide in the future.

>>6969151
>agonists
analogs*

>>6969151
My doctor said it was the standard treatment for transsexuals in thailand etc. and it seems correct from some minor research, and it isn't directly a contraceptive as much as a combination of cypro and E in one pill or am I retarded? Have no knowledge of doctor stuff so I might just be eating up what my doctor tells me but getting a blood test this week to see where it's at. And then if my levels are fine there's nothing to worry about, right? I should probably ask my doctor about bica, but from my understanding you still produce T and then also DHT but it isn't used in the body since bica stops the receptors or am i misunderstanding here? And even if it stops T and DHT from binding or anyhow, isn't it bad to have alot of free T circulating the body? I just got so confused with this new AA of the week... Pros and cons of the different AA's is spomething I might have to do haha

>>6969209
Ethinyl estradiol is extremely potent but also a much higher risk factor for developing blood clots. CPA is very potent too, but I doubt 4mg are enough. Diane 35 is very much marketed as contraceptive though.

The thing with cypro is that it masks your androgen levels by nuking your T, but noone measures how much the cypro itself has a masculinizing effect on you.

AAs are all pretty shitty medications, bica included because it's no allround solution. GnRH analogs and orchi are the only truth desu.

i want to ask this here, its a sex question.

i've been on hormones 2 years, and i've been on progesterone for a few spurts, basically 1 week out of the month from october 2015~june 2016

when i get aroused.......idk what will happen.

Sometimes i get really wet and leak alot of precum? (thats what itd be called, right?)

Sometimes i get sort of an erection, like its kind of hard, but not entirely.

sometimes i get the sort-of-erection, and a little wet.

here and there i get a full erection (but rarely)

im just wondering if theres a way to make it consistent? i'd prefer to only get wet, and get erections only when i touch it.

For a while i thought progesterone was the biggest influence in being wet, but i dont think it is, although since i've not had progesterone in a couple of months, wetness has kind of stopped entirely.

I rarely masturbate, but i did a few times in the past week, and absolutely nothing at all came out. no precum, and no ejaculate.

thoughts?

>>6969237
Thanks for the help anon! So bica and/or GnRH analogs, how would I go about doing this? Any surgery is a few years out of my grasp desu so I want to make sure my hrt is doing it's job atleast as im sure anyone else would.
Thanks again for enlightening me, was starting to feel very unsure and confused with my treatment also since as you said, Diane 35 is marketed as a contraceptive and anti-acne stuff

>>6969144
Bicalutamide blocks ALL androgens, which includes DHT.

>>6969249
Looking back I paid about as much for my meds as I would have for a one-off orchi. The only downside is that you will need skin grafts for the vaginal lining once you get SRS. I did anyway despite keeping my balls.

It's awful how badly informed some endos are but if you want to do research yourself you have to piece together hundreds of bits of information you have to google. There's no one compendium whatsoever and most things will be conclusions you have to make from almost unrelated studies. I really wish it was as easy as looking at T and E levels and that's it.

The wikipedia articles on bica and CPA have gotten a lot better, you can find most up and downsides over there and figure for yourself what you prefer. Personally I had experience with spiro, cpa, finasteride and ultimately an orchi before I knew what meds are good and bad at what they do and why.

can you still impregnate someone on estrogen?

It's 14 days and my pills still aren't here should I be worried?

>>6969548
No, you shouldn't be worried.

Which site did you order from?

>>6969756
QHI

>>6969758

Women tend to have fatter legs really. But maybe your legs will lose muscle mass over time making them smaller?

>>6969758
>I'm:
>17
you need to be 18 to browse this site

>>6970032
>>6970032
thanks anon

im not eating till i lose muscle mass and my fatty belly

>>6969758
Juicy legs are great what's your problem?
>>6970097
Prepare to play the human jojo

>>6970680
I'd prefer thinner legs, and I've got more stretch marks on my thighs now.

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does hormones stop male pattern baldness? ive been on 200 mg spiro 6mg estro for a year now, i feel like this side of my temple is beginning to thin out. should i get on finasteride??

>>6970864
It is believed that DHT (an androgen) causes male pattern baldness. Finasteride is specifically prescribed to reduce DHT levels, however other anti-androgens (like bicalutamide) may also help do this by blocking DHT as well as other androgens. You should probably look into some anti-androgens to see their effect on DHT production and to make sure they don't conflict with whatever other pills you're taking at the moment. Minoxidil is also used to treat thinning/loss of hair (though they say it's only meant to be used on thinning top hair, not on front hair), but people use it in the front anyway to varying levels of success (roughly 30%). Men are supposed to use 5% minoxidil blends and women are supposed to use 1-2% minoxidil blends. I don't know what you are, but there you go. Make sure to read up on any chemical conflicts and side-effects before using anything though. Some of them can be pretty nasty.

>>6970890
>bicalutamide
has a lower affinity to the ar receptor than DHT, so use finasteride or dutasteride to block DHT formation.

>>6968958
did you read the wiki...? it would explain it all...


pill splitter

>>6970864

Spiro isn't that effective for it I've heard. Switch to bica and/or get on finasteride yeah.

>>6971460

>Although the affinity of bicalutamide for the AR is approximately 50 times lower than that of DHT (IC50 ≈ 3.8 nM),[208][52] the main endogenous ligand of the receptor in the prostate gland, sufficient concentrations of bicalutamide (1,000-fold excess)[44] effectively prevent activation of the AR by androgens like DHT and testosterone and subsequent upregulation of the transcription of androgen-responsive genes.[146][282]

With enough bica it might be sufficient.
At 50 mg/day the steady state concentration of bica is 8.9 μg/mL. Testosteorone is between 2.4 to 12 ng/ml in typical males. This is a factor of about 1000. On estrogen your T should drop so it likely wouldn't be a problem. Just my interpretation though. Finasteride might be more a safe bet.

Either way take something other than or in addition to spiro.

>>6972368

Oh wait lol. I was looking at testosterone.
For males the DHT levels are 250-990 pg/ml.
So assuming 990 pg/ml (extreme case), this would mean approximately 9000 times the DHT levels.


Btw got levels from:
http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm

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>>6972368
What about 'post-finasteride syndrome', and the argument that since 5-alpha reductase plays a role in the metabolism of various neurosteroids, blocking it can cause permanent mental side effects.

>>6972474

Haven't heard of this till now since I've never taken finasteride, thanks. But yeah maybe take bicalutamide instead if you're concerned. Good thing is that bica isn't a neurosteroid and doesn't fuck with other receptors like spiro and cypro do.

>>6972474
Finasteride made me dizzy so I stopped taking it but it seems to be a common side effect

>>6945886
>>6945886
>be 23 year old tranny
>start HRT for 5 weeks
>run out of meds
>fast forward 1 week
>nipples sore as fuck
Why didn't they get sore while I was in hormones?? Why are they so sore now? Did I already develop breast tissue?

I want to go back on hrt, but I'm so confused by why they'd be hurting OFF of hormones when they didn't hurt before

Can anyone who orders regularly through assetchemist fill me in on just how lax they are with their prescription policy?

>>6945886
>Consider injection
>Injecting hormones
I was fine with the idea of a pill but thats terrifying. Injecting shit to become female.

>>6973139

It's not that bad lol. I did it for a while but I stopped.
It doesn't even hurt that much really. And it's very cheap.

>>6973154
But needles

>>6973154
Not that anon but needles are hard to get in Illinois plus I'd have to dispose of them well

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does anyone have any experience with finasteride *5*mg?

>>6973049
just fill out the "I need a prescription" questions and that's it, they send without receiving the refill scan

>>6973168

Pain and fear are illusions anon.

>>6973139
It makes your boobs grow better, anon-chan

>>6964395
bump

>>6973331
Do I just pretend I have prostatic carcinoma, or is it less in-depth?

(On mobile, so can't check easily, soz).

>>6973139
so just take pills...
they work just as well

>>6973932
just make up some story about your doctor being unavailable or something

>>6973932

You realize the more you make people spoonfeed you explicitly the more likely it is that unwanted attention will be drawn to this? Just look it up/try or ask someone 1 on 1.

>>6974018
this
jesus, it's like you idiots are so lazy you don't care that this will end up destroying our best sources

>>6974077
>best sources
ONLY sources.
Pls I'm post-op and gonna die if I can't order anymore.

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>>6973330
for male pattern baldness? if so your best bet is to take a quarter of the pill, 1.25 mg, since finasteride has a pretty flat dose response curve after about 1mg

>>6974092
most people just say "my doctor is on holiday"

>>6974165
No I can order just fine, I was getting at the notion that people fuck with these companies and make a big deal out of it, which annoys me.

>>6974160

Why does it cap at 70%?

>>6974282
Finasteride only blocks 1 type of 5a-reductase
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha_reductase

Dutasteride blocks two and caps out higher but comes with more side-effects aswell.

Nontheless, the amount Finasteride blocks is usually sufficient.

>>6974300
Oh sorry, Finasteride blocks 2 and Dutasteride 3.

>>6974176
if ac goes down i'm so fucked

>>6974160
>Been on 2.5mg/day fin for a year (5 mg tablet easier to cut in half)
>Not noticing any hairline receding, but alot of hairs come out when combing it, or if I run my fingers through it gently there are always some that got pulled out
>Not sure if I should panic or not

>>6975046
There's so many factors that can cause this... bad circulation, change of circulation, dry skin, stress, malnutrition... DHT is only one factor among many.

I also suffer from this, seen doctors about it too and they say it's either due to flakey skin (no) or my utterly low T levels (no). Both their treatments made no difference.

Has anyone had success with Inhouse's cypro Androcur?

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>>6975210
>cypro
>success

>>6975256
I don't have the money or the open time to get an orchi yet, so I have to make the best of it

>>6974160
oh, cool. i have been taking 1mg and it works for alopecia. i was just wondering whether there might be some more 'side effects' (i.e. additional antiandrogenic effects) with a higher dose. too chicken at this point to try cypro and E.

do i need to take finasteride with cypro or does cypro on its own do the job?

also, i heard there's no point to progesterone if youre on cypro, is this true?

>>6975655
>does cypro on its own do the job
yes

>no point to progesterone if youre on cypro, is this true?
no

>>6975256
Cypro is pretty good at what it does m80.
Also feels so much better than taking spiro.

>>6975738
k.
Tired of arguing with cypro shills, believe what you want.

>>6975738
>feels better than spiro
Can you explain this? I haven't tried cypro, so I'm definitely not trying to argue about it, but I'd love to hear you elaborate a bit

I hear a lot that spiro is kind of a shit drug, but I think it might be great for me, since I also have high blood pressure

>>6975762
I'm not that anon, can you explain what you mean? I've always been under the impression cypro is the best you can do short of getting an orchi. I'm genuinely curious about what you have to say

>>6975762
>cypro shills
every country in the world prescribes cypro as the first drug of choice, except america
i think this speaks for itself, it is objectively better than spiro at being an anti androgen

>>6975897
Exposing oneself to the medical care for trannies sucks major donkey ass in "every country in the world except america" as 90% of it is comprised of gatekeeping. You think these people act in the best interests of trannies? No, I don't think so.

>>6975871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicalutamide
make your own conclusions.

MY NIPPLES HURT SO MUCH

>>6975951
do you even have any experience with the tranny care anywhere except america or are you just spouting memes?

>>6976073
I'm german. And I have australian, UK, swedish and other german trannies on Skype/discord

Does Cypro affect body hair?

>>6975951
Trust me, it sucks in America too unless you get spectacularly lucky and are in the right city/state.

Also this >>6976155
I know trannies in Germany, Norway, UK, Australia, and various other countries including many others in the US.

It sucks all across the board.

>>6974018
I'm about to order. Who can I talk to?

>>6958958
Whoah, late response sorry. It took like 6 months on Lupron. I stopped using it at some point because of shenanigans and the cum came back so I went on 100mg spiro and still had a little but 200mg made it so that nothing comes out.

>>6978511
desu if you cant even be arsed to read up on your hrt you deserve to get trolled.
Most trannies here blindly trust their doctors, it's ridiculous.

>>6975790
I'm not them. Side effects I had on spiro were: constipation (really bad for the first few weeks and then just pretty bad), lightheadedness, frequent muscle cramps (mostly in legs and feet), needing to drink ridiculous amounts of mater and pee all the time while still feeling pretty dehydrated. Cypro hit me pretty hard with mood swings and depression when I switched to it, but after a week it stopped and I feel fine now. So far there are no side effects I can discern besides that. It also has other advantages.

>>6976197
All antiandrogens do because testosterone affects body hair. Some maybe more than others.

Are these levels alright for 12 months?

prolactin - 674 mlU/L
testosterone - 0.2 nmol/L
estrogen - 360 pmol/L

I'm taking 50mg cypro and 6mg progynova.

I have an unusual question – I recently started self-medding with just cypro (50mg a day), because my therapist is gatekeeping me and I'll probably get HRT in like April or May. I decided to go on cypro so I won't hon up too much before I get the prescription. However… I really don't want my therapist to discover that on the blood tests. One of my friends got told to stop self-medding for a year… If I stop cypro few weeks before the test – will my T come back to a standard level so my doctor doesn't notice? I don't know what my current level is.
It's very important for me to get HRT the legit way – I'll get a refundation and I'll be paying basically nothing for both cypro and estradiol. Also it'll help me change my legal gender.

>>6975762
I don't have to believe anything. Instead I get to -know- because I've been on both spiro and cypro, unlike you. Cypro feels better to be on and is more effective. No battling against side effects is great all on its own. On top of this one can lower the dosage over time. What used to be 2 days worth of pills eventually becomes 8 days worth of pills. That doesn't happen with spiro. Spiro is only (and I'm quoting the last doctor I saw while on spiro here) an antiandrogen in a roundabout way. Cypro is actually intended to be one and is very good at its job.

>>6981194
>unlike you
Nice assumption.

>>6980591
I can't answer for your numbers, but may I ask where you are buying your cypro from? It sounds very effective

>>6981194

How long would I have to take cypro to decrease my testicles ability to make T about half as much but not completely sterilize myself?

>>6983701
That'd be a hard balance to strike, probably impossible to know for certain. If you want to keep your ability to have kids, I would either use Bica instead or get some sperm frozen before you start hrt.

so um, whats the best go for if shrinkage and impotency are things is i secretly want, but don't want to go farther than femboy otherwise?

>>6983866
I saw a porn blog where the women was shrinking her husband's benis with what they called a shrinking cream and it seemed to work. I don't know what the cream is but maybe someone here would know.

>>6983740

Any guesses? I was thinking 2-3 months or so.
Also can spiro do the same thing long term or just cypro? I've been on spiro for like 1.5 years.

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>>6945886
Hows this?

>>6981063
seriously where do you live where self medding makes them gatekeep you more?

>3 orders from QHI
>3 different generics of cypro

>>6983866
cypro, reportedly

>>6985842
why?

>>6985401
Why is it so damn blurry

Uhh so i wanna start taking cypro - should i really take the full 50mg right away or should i start slower?
And does taking it just once a day really work or do i have to split that too?

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>>6985914
once a day should be fine

>>6986073
Thanks, that really seems like an improvement from spiro.

However, i'm still kinda worried that it will fuck up my liver. Should i really take 50mg? Quite a few here seem to only take half of this, or is that only the case because they've been multiple months in already?

>>6986201
Thanks, I almost forgot after the last daily reminder 10 minutes ago.

>>6985811
in fucking Poland.
Anyways does anyone know the answer to my question…

>>6986258
you should realy use bicalutamide instead of cypro, bica will not effect testosterone levels and likely go undetected

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>>6985883
this better?

>>6986312
>the aa tells cells to stop being male and the e tells cells to be female

Not sure if dumbed down to hell or just broscience. Cells r cells.

But meh, its fine for people who are too dumb and lazy to do their own research.

>>6986306
bica is too expensive :(

>>6986563
You can take 25mg every other day.

>>6986583
Should you increase to 50mg after a while or is there not a difference?

just ordered Progynova 2mg and spiro 100mg from assetchemist and didn't need any sort of validation of prescription,
Is this legit? apparently there's a questionnaire you have to lie on

>>6986855
How?
Did you say you need prescription?

>>6986957
no I just said that I had a prescription and when I completed the billing info it went straight to saying my order was complete, no money has been removed from my account though and the status of the order just says payment

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best medication. about 5000mg of morphine followed by dropping off a cliff. fags.

>>6987062
That doesn't sound very effective, and will most likely cause more harm than good

>>6987023
Yeah that's because they wait for your prescription arriving as a scan/fax/letter.

>>6987062
Liar. Morphine has zero feminizing effects.

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>>6987177
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101104082845.htm

Spiro and Progynova just came. Should I take one 2mg Progynova and one 100mg spiro in the morning and one at night every day? Seems like a decent starting point, and I'm getting legal stuff soon enough so if I do something wrong it's not gonna be too bad I think

I've been feeling incredibly fatigued lately. I suspect it might be my medication. For six months now I've been taking 50mg bicalutamide, 5mg finasteride, and 6mg estradiol (oral). Could my suspicions be right? I know for certain it's not my sleep as I get plenty each night. I eat healthy and exercise, too.

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>>6945944
>mentally retarded degenerate
>wanting sex life
Pick one you nigger