Why are so many guys grossed out by or scared of dating MTFs,

>>6918923
What you think about ftm we think about mtfs

>>6918928
? articulate yourself.

>>6918932
ahhhh fine........

Think about what it would be like to date a ftm or think about how it would make you feel if someone dress up as a kid and took a bunch of magic pills to look like one, it looks like a kid and acts like a kid but deep down its not a kid.

>>6918952
I'm attracted to both FTMs and legal lolis

>>6918928
That they're valid partners and often attractive?

>>6918952
Who the fuck are you to say what someone else is "deep down?" Only they can know that.

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>>6919034
>>6919034
>That they're valid partners and often attractive?
Maybe I haven't been exposed to the attractive ones.

>>6918923
Because you can't have children

>>6918923
Because homosexuality is still seen as a "thing".
An alternate state rather than a trivial preference.

>Am I gay if I like a tranny?
>Will I turn gay if I start liking trannies?
>Am I a closeted homosexual?
Questions like these have to be faced.

>Straight white male checking in

You can't re-create the beauty of a natural woman. Sorry and not to offend anyone but it's like buying knock off merchandise. If I ever made out with a MTF in a club scenario and found out that she isn't natural, I would become extremely irate. Sorry! Not trying to offend! Just my personal preference, same way some chicks only date spanish guys or guys that only date girls with a big ass

>>6919517
If you couldn't tell the difference until finding out later, then clearly they aren't a knockoff.

You're like one of those snobby wine tasters that can be tricked by different lighting, prices, or bottle designs. "Oh, it tastes so good because it was handmade by little girls in Italy and aged 50 years" and actually it's fucking boxwine someone repackaged because it's exactly the same.

Because they were once men, and some still consider them men. That's the usual answer, and no amount of trying to talk them into finding transwomen attractive will change that.

>>6919672
If you find out later then they're a liar and even more unattractive.

Honesty upfront is important.

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because I want children and mtf cant provide that, however dating someone that actually understands male emotions would be refreshing

>>6918923
Because this >>6919475 and the fact many carry way too much emotional baggage or have out to lunch fringe political beliefs. Very few people would ever want to start a serious relationship with someone who is unstable or has radical viewpoints.

>>6918923
If most people wouldn't know and she passes 100% i have no problem with it

>>6921140
Why would a mtf know about male emotions?

>>6919720
They're not a liar unless they told you straight up they weren't trans. The fact you couldn't tell isn't their fault.

>>6921451
They grew up as male, i.e. had male socialisation.

homophobia.
social stigma.

>>6922125

No, they grey up as a closeted trans woman.

>>6918952
Currently dating an FTM
>Feelsgoodmayne.mp3

>>6918928
I think ftms are qts. Sometjing about that slightly fem face is soo cute

>>6922186
>>6922125
>>6921451
>>6921140
I hope you learned a valuable lesson about enabling these types of people anon

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>>6918923
The secret is to stop giving a shit about the guys who think this way and to not be offended when you're not their preference in the same way I'm sure not all people who find you attractive are your preference.

You can't convince someone to find you attractive and it's demeaning to even attempt that debate because all you do is invite pointlessly callous critique of your existence from people who think you're gross for whatever reason and/or take joy in your misery and self-loathing. It's masochistic behavior, and not the fun kind with safe words.

Be confident in yourself, take care of your affairs, follow your interests, and don't put yourself in precarious situations with potential homo/transphobes. Respectful, accepting, open-minded people with whom you express a mutual attraction will naturally be a part of your life.

This is not to say that the people who demonize trans women as liars or predators for existing, going outside, and being attractive are correct, but when no one has your back in this world you need to have your own and make decisions with your safety, your self-worth, and your mental/physical health in mind.

Don't let yourself be a statistic because you're too optimistic about the love and acceptance of your average 20-something inebriated club bro.

>>6918923
Haven't met any that I've found attractive. If they had a fantastic personality that meshed with mine, had goals and aspirations that were admirable, and didn't need constant emotional support then I'd consider dating them.

I wouldn't date anyone with bad mental issues and spotty self esteem. So yeah, haven't met a mtf like that yet. Most of em seem to like men anyway. Slim pickings for a lesbian.

>>6919672
It's sex under the guise of a lie, which is legally rape.

>>6922546
what are they lying about?

>>6922546
If a trans woman is post-op and her state-issued id says that she is female, it legally is not rape. It's consensual sex with a woman.

It's probably for the best that a trans woman share this information with someone she shares her bed with, for her own safety and to be considerate to emotionally vulnerable men, but she is not legally obligated to do so unless her marker hasn't been changed yet.

Furthermore, physical assault and murder are still illegal no matter how upset you are about having sex with a trans woman.

>>6922651
If she's post-op, she doesn't have a penis

Honestly it's way more creepy to be post-op than pre-op. Pre-op is kinda gay but post-op is deceptive and disgusting and is fucking a mutilated penis inside out. Fucking nasty ass.

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I want a mtf wife

>>6922665
True, but in some states like NY you don't need bottom surgery for a new gender marker.

>>6922812
Your label doesn't change whether you have a penis or not. If a man is with you because you say you're a woman and they're working under the assumption you have a vagina, and then it turns out you don't have a vagina but rather a penis, then the man was lied to in order to obtain sex. That is rape, legally speaking.

>>6922846
>That is rape, legally speaking.
not at all, you drama queen. you see the genital and then you have the option to back out. nobody forces you to fuck us.

>>6922866
I'm not the one that decides the legal definition. Feminists decided this. It's rape in the eyes of the law whether you or I agree, or not.

>>6922893
What? How is this rape? Rape is when you are having sex without consent. And this is a definition.

>>6923624
I don't decide the legal definition.

>>6922893
>Feminists decided this

guffaw

I'm postop M2F, and I want a husband.

Let us share the feels through the magic of the Intertubes.

>>6922680
>tfw normies think "the operation" is what makes you trans
>tfw normies don't understand that girldick is 100x better

>>6923960
>>6922893
>I'm making /pol/ arguments, so I'm going to be totally vague since I'm actually not correct

>>6926935
>not being able to google a common law that is general knowledge

Lying to get sex is legally considered rape, because it's sex under false pretenses. Trans people have been arrested over this multiple times.

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>>6926854
Im middle aged straight cis robot in love with post op trans woman.

My feels are yours.

>>6927202
>Trans people have been arrested over this multiple times.
source them. i've googled it a while ago and it seemed to be rather rare. i found a case in the UK where a woman pretended to be a man to fuck another woman. she had the victim wear a blind fold whenever they met up, used sex toys on her to deceive from her gender and other stuff i can't remember. it was pretty excessive lying . that's not comparable to trans people omitting their birth sex.

>>6927202
All right Matt Forney. We know it's you. Give it up.

>>6927247
Thanks for describing the film Boys Don't Cry.

Heartbreaking movie.

>>6922330
This. If a guy is enough of an insecure douchebro to be pissed that he's attracted to a trans woman, then he's not somone you should voluntarily associate with. He doesn't matter.

>>6918952
Loads of straight and bi mtfs would and have dated ftms...?

We dont feel fear thinking about ftms.

OP, we are a taboo to their Jewish sky god mores that still haven't been eliminated.

I hope the cissies stop killing themselves soon enough to figure it out.

>>6922893
You're wrong, like >>6923624 said, you had the chance to back out.

Now, if they had a pseudo-vagina and never told you about it, THEN you could have a point.

But an actual penis? You saw that and still banged it? Not rape, legally.

Now of course we could talk about feminist logic, but that's pointless. Feminist logic simply dictates that if you want it to have been rape, it retroactively is rape. But that's why feminists are scum and people laugh at them.

>>6922546
Remember those two were originally talking about making out as the example.

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Straight guy here.
Scared of dating MTF because of family, friends work.
The major concern is do they pass, and are they not mentally deranged. The few i have talked too are hardcore SJW types and clearly have some problems.
Also, and if this is gay so be it, I don't want post op. I want to date a girl with a big dick. You may call it festisizing but the appeal of a MTF for me is you have a this weird sexual territory you get to explore. If i want a girl with a vagina i'll date a real girl.

>>6922708
i mean, im right here, do you also want a truckload of emotions piled on you daily and constant sadness? its not as pretty as it sounds

IM A SUB CD WHO IS BI ..I WISH THERE WAS A PLACE FOR ME

>>6921455
They're not a liar if they don't tell you, they're a liar if they don't tell you after you ask but even then why would you ask if hypothetically you're 100% convinced they're a biological female.

>>6928385

The same argument could be used by someone poz under medication.

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>>6918923
Im bi so I have no problem whit it even if a girl has a dick or not.
You cant be mad at a straightfuck to not be into you, you dont decide what you are attracted to you retarded fuck.

>>6918928
Tbh, I'm a trans "girl"...still 100 p% guy rn tho, but uh, even as a guy ftms are pretty cute so, yeah, I'd be ok with it. It'd be more ideal after I completely finish everything.