Well which is it? Not trying to shitposting genuinely curious.

>>6915530
gender is not a social construct
the people who believe in neurological sex are not the same people who believe in gender-as-construct, they just sort of exist in the same community
i lived as a butch girl before coming out as ftm. didn't work, because...i'm not a butch girl, and it would be like expecting any random dude off the street to do that

It's a false dichotomy

The primary rhetorical failing is the emphasis on "born"

People are not "born" gay/trans/straight, etc. Biology IS a factor in determining these things, but the social is a necessary influence

One isn't born gay, but rather develops gay/trans in the womb and the early life thereafter. Even then, sexuality and gender identity are not set in stone

I tried to convince myself for a long time that I could be a feminine dude, and I was happy to be a guy who subverts gender roles and feels free to act outside masculine stereotypes. However, I wasn't happy enough. I don't believe in neurological sex in a definite sense, and I don't believe that we're born with a fixed gender identity, but I do believe the factors that determine these identities, be they biological or cultural, are too powerful to simply ignore or disregard :)

>>6915530
it's a social construct. but the female role means being pretty and guys don't want male boyfriends, so i can't just drag unless i want to be a pathetic freak and never have a relationship.

>>6915597
but how to deal with it? i'm sick of not being a cis girl. how can i coach my gender identity to deal with being male?

>>6916121
you don't :)

Neither. Gender is not a social construct but gender roles are. You have xy chromosome your male, xx female. And frankly i dont believe people can be born as the wrong gender and i view those that get serious body modification to falsely complete their gender identity as having some mental hang up about not accepting their themselves for what they are.

>>6916185
you know that isn't true for 1 in 400 people BEFORE accounting for trans and intersex, right? as in, there are more people with neither xx nor xy chromosomes than there are people with type 1 diabetes

>>6916191
just switch that out with biological male and females then

I'm actually starting to come around to 'gender is a social construct'. It depends on how one defines gender.
It's starting to seem kind of silly to me that gender expression, roles, expectations, pronouns, etc, pretty much all things gender-related are all social constructs, but gender itself isn't. So what IS gender at that point?

Sex obviously isn't a social construct, it's physical. And there are neurologically observable differences between the sexes that contribute to broad observable patterns in the behavioural differences of men and women, inclusive of trans people in terms of their gender identity. So that stuff's not a social construct either (and I do realise that 'not muh construct' people are generally attacking the implication that sex has any bearing on the behaviour of the sexes, as if we'd all be exactly the same in a vacuum, but that's just nonsense).

But why is that brain-pattern shit suddenly gender, just because it impacts our behaviour? Isn't that still sex? Your brain is still part of your body.
So why not "gender is a social construct, brain-sex is as physical as body-sex"?

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The two topics aren't even related though

The correct button text is "you can be born as the wrong SEX"

Sorry for taking the bait

>>6915577
>the people who believe in neurological sex are not the same people who believe in gender-as-construct, they just sort of exist in the same community
Not neccisarily true. The correct way of saying it would be:
>Nobody who understands either concept believes both at the same time. Anybody who does can and should be disregarded.

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>>6915530
t b h

>>6916152
well my choice is be a hon or keep trying, so...

I thought gender as a social construct was a thing because what may be feminine in the US might be masculine in the EU of something.

Like warm colors are feminine, and cold are masculine based on society placing them into those groups. We gender things.

I didn't think they literally meant "men can be women if we believe hard enough." Wat.