Do you agree?

Some gay men are more masculine than some straight men, the same way some women are stronger than some men.

whether they are or not, that's not even necessarily a good thing. but also this >>6865131

i'm sure that quote was taken out of context for clickbait though

>>6865123
actually, i do agree, OP.

>>6865123
gays rape more often than straights, yes.

double the dudes double the masculinity

>>6865123
Obviously that's a lie. Faggots are famous for their faggotry and mannerisms, the opposite of being manly.

>>6865123
Where does my fetish for straight men stem from then, Sir Ian?

>>6865123
It's a spectrum. Some gay guys are effeminate and may as well be girls. Some are normal guys who don't really look like anything. Some are hypermasculine and are to men what drag queens are to women; Caricatures.

>>6871918
Porn you fucking dolt.
That or you're just an idiot who wholeheartedly believes that being heterosexual makes you more masculine somehow.

>>6871954
>being heterosexual makes you more masculine

It honestly does.

>>6871934
>Some are hypermasculine and are to men what drag queens are to women; Caricatures.
Not really though. Drag queens take femininity and crank it up to 11. They go above and beyond what your average woman goes to because that's the point of drag.
Hypermasculine gay men don't do that. They're exactly the same as hypermasculine straight men, except instead of doing it out of insecurity like most straight men do, they do it because it's hot. The only significant difference is that instead of lusting after women, they lust after men.
And no, that doesn't mean leather daddies and other fetishists. Fetish culture is something entirely different and even then there ARE straight leather daddies.(Plus straight people were the ones who started using daddy as a sexual term. It wasn't appropriated by gay people until decades later.)

>>6871990
>there ARE straight leather daddies

Got a link? P-please?

>>6871977
No, it really does not in any possible way.
It might make you look more masculine via contrast to your partner, but outside of that the only reason heterosexuality is conflated with masculinity is because of gay porn fetishizing straight men and because of retards thinking gay=flamboyant and feminine.

>>6871999
Not on hand no, but it shouldn't be too hard to find by just looking up leather/BDSM stuff. I mean straight porn usually has guys in it, right? I haven't paid too much attention to it but that seemed to be the case all those times I forgot to add "gay" to "leather daddy porn" during my porn searches.

>>6872001
I don't know where you're from, but the homos in my area are all effeminate (including me). You have to chase after bi or "str8" guys if you want a masculine guy who will fuck you. The stereotypes exist for a reason.

Genuinely heterosexual men are the masculine ideal and that's just the plain truth.

>>6872048
>You have to chase after bi or "str8" guys if you want a masculine guy who will fuck you.
>The stereotypes exist for a reason.
Yeah because people are playing into them you dolt.
>"str8" guys are stereotyped as more masculine
>masculine guy wants people to know he's masculine
>calls himself "str8" BOOM problem solved
And that's not even getting into how many "straight guys" star in gay porn and are actually long time porn stars with successful careers and husbands who are also successful gay porn stars.

>>6872055
This is tinfoil hat-tier.

Yeah, all straight guys in porn are actually gay, just like all world leaders are actually lizards. Wake up, sheeple!

>>6872105
>all straight guys in porn
No, all straight guys in GAY porn you fucking retard

>>6872783
[citation still fucking needed]

>>6872989
Off the top of my head, here's a list of gay porn stars who have starred in "straight man" scenes, sometimes with their husbands
>Dirk Caber
>Jason(No last name IIRC. He's married to a guy named Max and they've done quite a few scenes for Butch Dixon, and they did a "straight" scene before that)
>Colby Keller, who has been in more "straight first time" scenes than any mortal being can count
There's also one more guy who starred in one with his husband. They were both "straight ex-army". I don't remember their names though.

Just ask yourself why they would pay actual straight men to star in their videos when they can hire gay men instead and just say they're straight anyway? It's cheaper, makes for a hotter scene since straight men are not going to be interested at all and will suck at everything and be boring as hell to watch, and really has no downsides at all since the vast majority of people are apparently too stupid to go "Wait I've seen this guy in a dozen other gay porn videos and he has a fucking husband! He's not straight!"

>it's an internet argument about the real life sexual orientation of pornstars
They're actors/whores. Orientation is not important. Also, you're the very definition of /lgbt/ memelords.

Yes, there's nothing more masculine than making other men your bitch (by fucking them in the ass).

Bottoms maintain their masculinity by agreeing that they are better suited to being a top, rather than pretending they aren't.

Straight men are either to pussy to dominate other men, or too scared to bottom.

>>6875997
*better suited to being a bottom

>>6865123


Who cares, straight men don't have the masculinity complex that gays do.

>>6865123
gay men are not afraid of women, we do what straight guys dream about, it doesn't matter.
There's that.

>>6865123
Eat-rocks-shit-magma-no-feels type of masculinity isn't really being an adult for that mater either. It's just acting like a child who refuses to play with icky girls and their cooties. Men used to be able to hold hands and embrace each other. Being manly used to involve being able to show your vulnerability, and to help out with the house and kids. But, today's manliness is about being an asshole, hiding your emotions, et cetera. Gay men are pretty much theoretically free form that crap, and are ejected out of that mindset once outed. And, thus become actual independent individual.

>>6865123
Depends, some gays feel like they have to be more manly than straight men. I had an ex like that. It wasn't enjoyable being around someone who couldn't be himself and fucking relax for one second.

>>6880600
i love it when dudes like that do squats on your dick tho

>>6865123
Whether I agree or not is irrelevant since it's a fact.

>>6865123
>do you agree?

what do you even mean?
how is this even a question?
why would my opinion fucking matter?

the statement is either true or false and my opinion mean jackshit.
there is either a bigass study on thousand of men measuring some "masculine" factors to tell us the truth or not.

>>6865123
>Ian McKellen
Dropped. Last time he said that that gay men by their very nature can't be patriots.

>>6873037
Of course the "lol we fucked a straight guy" videos aren't actually starring straight guys, but gay for pay is real.

I find that Statement to be very true, of course its a spectrum and very flamboyant Gays also exist, but from my Personal Experience, thats a very small Number among Gay men.
I am what Mist People would describe as a very masculine man, i am a Farmer, used to Work in the Military (Mountain patrol), i played Rugby für the National Team and worked as a tecno-Club bouncer for some years. I'm Top/dominant, muscular, quite hung and have a lot of Sex, maybe all Things that straight men would envy.
Since i Lived in a lot of milieus that are prototype-masculine surroundings like sportclubs and the Army, i may have experienced that a obviously Gay Guy will Never have. And i can tell you For Sure, there are no surroundings with that many Gay People (even if mostly in the closet) and as much homoerotic Energy in the Air as typical dudely, real-men-only milieus.
Allthough in this Areas you also do find a lot of non-hetero Guys with massive compexes, in General i would say ian mckellen is right.

Do masculine gay guys like feminine gay boys?

>>6865123
not always, i seen some gays that were very masculine, and i seen some that were feminine and sissy and flaming queens,

LGBT covers a lot of spectrum, same with gay women, some were masculine dyke types, and some were feminine lipstick lesbians, you cant categorize everyone with such a generalization because soon someone will come along and prove it wrong

You typically don't notice the masculine gays, so views may be skewed. I fucking hate flamboyant gays.

>>6881247
No. Masculine bi guys like traps and semi-traps tho.

>>6881239
wen du auf english schreibst, du must nicht so viele großbuchstabe benutzen. aber ich stimme zu

>>6881247
I do.

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>>6865123
Yeah

>>6873037
And a good chunk of the white performers in the top pro porn, and the gonzo violent stuff are gay or bi as fuck.

Moment that and the fact that they are all average but use pumps and surgery to look bigger and drugs to get hard becomes common knowledge the entire porn industry would collapse in on itself.