Safe Spaces?

>As a straight man,
Stopped reading there

>>6805689

Oh no! I guess *I'm* the one that needs the safe space after all!

The white folks in your pic belong here
>>>/pol/
along with your thread

>>6805711

So I can engage with the people who will automatically agree with me as opposed to the ones causing the problem? Doesn't seem sensible.

>>6805641
On the one hand I agree with you and appreciate the fact that without the ability to discuss controversial ideas there is no possibility for progress. On the other.. take one fucking look at half of the boards on 4chan. They've turned into echo chambers because a certain group of idealogues has driven everyone else out. You have threads consisting of hundreds of users circlejerking while agreeing with each other. If you allow speech which makes minorities feel genuinely unsafe then you're just not going to see them.

tl;dr safe spaces kill discussion because you can't talk about things. completely free speech kills discussion because the loudest, most violent majority will drive out everyone else. Life is hell and there are no winning moves.

i don't hate the concept of a safe space on its own but the worst tumblr types are turning it into this joke thing. your cartoon sucks

>>6805724

To be fair, self inhibition is the primary policing factor of debate in person. You don't get that on the boards because of the anonymity.

>>6805641
I don't support safe spaces
but I love to be in small, closed places

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>>6805737

someone forgot to tell the lgbt sjws that equality means being offended and having to take it.

>safe space
I remember when that was called the closet.
These times have changed.

>>6805733
In my experience self inhibition ceases to exist once you have an overwhelming majority which supports your stance and there are no consequences for shouting down the opposition. I'm a lib but this is true for both the left and the right. See tumblr types shouting down guest speakers in universities.

Live, sensible moderators seem to be the best solution but it is hard to strike a balance. In a world as polarized as ours the administration will almost inevitably pick a side. Democracy is supposed to be about the people casting the shadow that is the government but in practice it is the parties that cast the shadows between which people divide themselves.

>>6805783

It's starting to seem like this whole SJW perspective is starting to gain enough momentum to eventually be called the majority.
The problem for me is that perspective now being protected institutionally and opposing views, however horrible, are getting silenced.

Just doesn't feel right, efficient or not.

The fuck even is a "safe space"?

>>6805835
It is where liberals go to hide from reality.

>>6805795
I honestly don't know whether there is a good solution. I often think about pluralism and in the end it seems like a pluralist system just cannot defend itself from ceasing to be pluralist if it protects those who seek to destroy it.. but it has already betrayed its own nature the moment it has ceased to protect them.

Most people, even those who champion free speech, will cheer at views they find abhorent being rejected as so outlandish that they don't deserve to be debated. However if things were the other way around and their views were the ones deemed unworthy they'd cry fascism until their face turned blue. Given this is how we function as a society perhaps there is no escape from a culture war where each side strives to destroy the other? A depressing thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

>>6805835

It's a space where views that may be hurtful or intolerant are not allowed to be expressed. It seems to differ from place to place what *that* means.

>>6805857

Well, I think we had a good thing going intellectually in the early 2000s.
LGBT culture acceptance became the norm but there wasn't extremist views on either side, really.
Might be because both sides thought they were victorious, though.

>>6805835
its a piece of paper that reads lgbt safe space"
>professors stick them in the windows to their office
>its the new way to do nothing and feel like your accomplishing something... like kony 2012.

>>6805641
>As a bi man

Triggered.

>>6805860
Kek, my ultra-liberal sister needs this, then.
>news talks of a play about Belgian Congo
>wtf why didn't they cut the whole black people thing out?? Its like? So racist and unrespectful????

>>6805641
If anyone wants to listen to a good discussion on this I recommend watching j.t. sexkik's video on YouTube.

>>6805641
The idea is to get a break from the real world... But then there are groups of people who think they need "safe spaces", despite not actually having it rough in their life.

For example, you can have a safe space for anorexic.
In the "space", they can talk about their feelings without being judged. That's healthy.

Examples when it's just bad, and nidicolous.
Feminists, and man hating women, wants a "safe space" away from men, simply because they have a deep irrational hatred for men. That's an echo chamber that just encourages and strengthens their misandry.

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"Safe spaces" as they exist now are fucking dumb and exist primarily to shelter people from viewpoints that contradict their own. They were originally applied in therapy support groups for people who have suffered severe trauma. From what I understand, on colleges it came out of allowing rape victims and veterans with PTSD to step outside the lecture hall for a bit without repercussions if something got a bit too intense for them, which I think is fine given that when you trigger (in the actual sense, not the Tumblr sense) a reaction like that in someone with real PTSD/serious trauma, they can shut down or freak out. I've met a veteran who freaked the fuck out and screamed every time he heard a helicopter rotor whooping overhead once. On the other side of the coin, I met a woman who completely shut down emotionally and wouldn't move for hours every time a story about a child abuse case came on the news. Turned out her dad was a sick fuck who abused her daily for almost two decades. Shit's not good. However, as it stands now, it's been turned into something super negative where professors are bullied into not presenting information that doesn't meet a certain political narrative, or students use it to get out of obligations or claim oppression for personal gain. Basically, the people who excessively cry for safe spaces and trigger warnings are just stepping on the back of severely traumatized people for political reasons. It's the same shit that transtrenders do when they step on actual transsexuals to push their feminist bullshit about gender not being innate and all that. It's really sad, honestly.
>pic unrelated, I just wanted a cute picture because this subject makes me kind of sad

>>6806388
+1 unironic upvote

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>>6806424
I can't tell if you're ironically saying you're not being ironic to make fun of me or if you actually agree with me.

>>6805689
nice meme

>>6806470
thanks senpai

>>6806462
I 100% agree with you; Crybabies and man haters have absolutely RUINED the concept of safe spaces thereby basically insulting people with actual problems.

>>6805641
A safe space in an LGBT club is often a necessary place for people to parse out their identity/share stories of abuse; because you're looking for acceptance you likely haven't had anywhere else before and probably can't yet handle judgement from your peers.

A safe space in a philosophy class doesn't make sense, because you're supposed to challenge yourself and learn how to exercise judgement and handle criticism.

tl;dr Safe spaces have their appropriate places and times, but it's not healthy or realistic to expect you can stay inside a safe space forever.

>>6806388
This just sounds like the trigger warnings in classes, safe spaces at schools (from what I've seen) started out as basically became a subname for certain clubs so that people could talk about certain subjects without having to go back to basics whenever some person just decided to show up, alla a Pride club that wants to talk about gay shit and not have to go back to "no we're not promiscuous deviants and pedophiles" every time some nut job decided to walk in and gave those clubs the power to reject people without repercussions from student government. The other I've seen on campus is basically just another word for the counseling center to attempt to make students feel secure in divulging info about their mental health to certain people on campus

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>>6806987
this desu

I think it's silly to give it a name. Ever human being carves out a space they feel safe in, whether it's the local gay bar or a website or a group of trusted friends etc. this isn't something that can or should be policed, and trying to do so, to me, feels insanely more oppressive than just empowering yourself to leave situations you feel uncomfortable in. It reminds me of planet fitness 'lunk alarms' publically shaming people for engaging in behaviour clinically proven to improve performance because it's 'intimidating'. Because blasting an alarm at someone for being themselves isn't intimidating at all, right?

>>6806365

This. It's just another example of attention seekers worsening the lives of the real people whose struggles they're co-opting.

Safe spaces have their applications. In a group that is supposed to be for the support of a certain group, I can understand not wanting to be bashed there. But in most real world applications it was retarded.

Especially at college. College should be the one place where everything is questioned most, but it's usually the opposite. I'm forced to have so many opinions or fail. One homework assignment I was forced to give a positive opinion of Islam or I'd get a zero. I think they just radicalize people. People really don't like having their opinions silenced.

I don't see a problem with safe spaces

Where I live there was a Pride event on which made rules like no homophobia, transphobia or racism, which seems obvious since its meant to be welcoming to queer folk

They also had a policy were victims of abuse could report abusers so their faces wouldn't be welcome and so everyone could feel safe from abuse

Its reasonable, plus I don't see folk complaining about leftists being dragged out of Trump rallies, same shit

>>6805641
i think "safe space" is often strawmanned

>>6805641
It's dumb to think you should get to have an exclusionary, segregated public place just because you're a snowflake.
If it's your own private property you can do whatever you want I guess, but there shouldn't be any safe spaces in academia or business or politics.

>>6807327
Rules are fine on private property and at private events, but not at like, parades and rallies on public lands. At least, not imo.

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Here's the problem I have with safe spaces and most of the "SJW" movement in general.

In the past, it wasn't that there weren't any "safe spaces," or not even ones that were as blatantly advertised as they are all now. Instead, "safe spaces" formed through certain accepting friend groups, clubs and support groups --and were possibly even advertised as such-- all from the bottom up. On a grander scale, since liberal people tend to move to more liberal towns and conservative people tend to move to more conservative towns, everything grew organically from the bottom up, everything was genuine and they weren't full of shallow people trying to co-opt a movement's struggles.

But nowadays, everything being established from the top down. Safe spaces aren't grown anymore, they're declared with signs and become things to be "enforced." Since they're advertised so blatantly now, regardless of actual merit, you have no idea if the "safe space" you're walking into now is a healthy community of people trying to work on something together, or a bunch of white, middle-class feminists trying to validate their "struggles" with one another under yet another meaningless banner they arbitrarily chose. In the end, all the SJW movement has done is established false, meaningless communities and cheapened the "real" ones so that now what was originally the actual lgbt community is now socially more ostracised that it was before, hence moving to "alternative" sites like 4chan while "mainstream" sites like reddit and tumblr are so saturated by "feminists" and the "SJW" movement. The SJW movement might have even started out with good intentions, but the whole theory was so misguided all it's done is cause massive damage that will take decades to undo.

This is really obvious when before, trans people were practically invisible, and now, because of SJWs trying to establish arbitrary safe-spaces, cis-women being beat up in restrooms because they were even moderately androgenous.

Wanting more serious discussion is a particular thing. Most of the time on my end it just ends up coming about at some point and sometimes happens more. Really depends on the type of person and this movement has really blown up by this point so don't expect everyone to be a genius

Safe spaces are illogical in places like colleges. Speeches and language used shouldn't be /pol/ tier, that being said.

>>6806987
You're right about that use of the term, but what I meant was in reference to how some colleges (like mine) have campus cultures so absorbed in identity politics that the whole campus is a de facto safe space where trigger warnings are required, if not actually declared one by the administration. This is actually a thing in some more liberal cities, and it's basically a form of ideological insulation. Oftentimes, professors and people will talk about how college is a time to be exposed to radical positions and positions different from your own, but in effect this only applies when the position is left-wing and feminist-approved. Otherwise, faculty members will end the discussion as soon as possible or people will hold protests. I've actually been literally shouted down as a transphobe for making the argument that gender is not a social construct in classes where gender discussion is the primary topic. When I revealed that I am a transsexual to them (they asked me if I was really so transphobic that I'd do such excessive research into trans issues and I wanted to show them how dumb that argument was), they said I had "internalized transmisogyny" and that I needed to be more open to hearing opposing views (the irony being that I was actually raised by actual, real life socialists and became center-right as a result of exposure to differing viewpoints). College campuses in America are a political echo chamber just as bad as Stormfront where embracing radical left wing politics is taught to be a natural progression in education and sticking to centrist/moderate positions or looking into right wing politics is seen as giving tacit approval to neo-Nazis and anti-LGBT groups. It's nasty.

what is a safe space? i never heard of one.
is it a digital thing? a concept? or a designated place?

>>6809103

Christ, I hope you're not paying for that education

>>6809157
Oh, I am. It's absolute shit, but since it's a state school and it's in my area, I'm saving a metric fuckton of money. I'm a big reader and learn better on my own, so it's whatever. I'm basically just paying for a diploma so I can be comfortably middle class. I can go through the motions needed to achieve that goal as long as I still have some time at the end of the day to read and actually learn something.

>>6809174

It's a real fucking problem when duration is not only monetised but follows the law of 'the customers always right'. By definition, they're not, that's why they're getting a fucking education.
Pardon the mini rant, it just really gargles my nargles

>>6809210

Education, not duration. Fucking autocorrect.

I only ever hear it mentioned in response to TERFs telling lies in universities to captive audiences, Christians telling lies in universities to captive audiences, and edgy millionaire pedophile Christian comicbook artists/game developers telling lies to people that just went to conventions to have a good time, not listen to bullshit.

People shouldn't be obligated to memorize evil bullshit.

>>6809212
If they make no money from educating people then why bother to try, since you don't have any incentive to be competent?

>>6805724
>If you allow speech which makes minorities feel genuinely unsafe then you're just not going to see them.
>completely free speech kills discussion because the loudest, most violent majority will drive out everyone else.
Didn't every civil rights activist in American history prove this wrong. All of them were minorities with controversial opinions and were hated by a very loud and bloodthirsty majority of the population. Not everyone runs away from conflict
MLK didn't just preach in secret locations that kicked out conservatives

>>6809861
So then isn't the answer here to have a fair moderator who stops people when things go too far?

>>6809959
No. That's just another way to end the conversation and slow progress. No one stopped MLK and the bigots from clashing, They clashed and in the end MLK won, despite being the minority. It's not about who's louder or has more support, it's about how determined and brave you are.

>>6809861
While MLK preached peace the movement used violence to push for its goals. You forget the widespread racial riots.

Still, you have a point when it comes to society at large. The thing is that these people fought largely because they had no choice but to fight or submit. When it comes to going to a certain website or campus you can always go somewhere else. When given the choice to just go elsewhere in the face of overwhelming adversity people will tend to take it if they feel unsafe.

Do you think it to be a coincidence that unmoderated online environments almost always attract the exact same crowd?

>>6810020
Being determined and brave is not the same as being right. In addition there is much less to brave when you're the powerful majority issuing threats.

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Of all the conservative tenets to integrate into their movement, SJWs chose the echo chamber.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/finding-the-line-between-safe-space-and-segregation/496289/
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/thats-not-funny/399335/

>>6810021
>Do you think it to be a coincidence that unmoderated online environments almost always attract the exact same crowd?
I think it's because /pol/tards are dumb enough to think they're the minority opinion now and need a safe space for their beliefs and because a lot of people just don't want to deal with them and know they don't have to. It's not that people who don't share the same views are being pushed out it's that they choose to not be there. They can post here all they want but if they can't handle the same bantz that everyone else gets then it's their choice to leave. I hate how trans are treated on this board but I don't let get to me and I keep posting. Safe spaces, like /pol/ or those insane rooms on college campuses with coloring books, create an environment that teaches people to behave in a way that isn't compatible with reality or the rest of the internet. It's not healthy and it's why people are becoming too afraid to fight

>>6810027
>In addition there is much less to brave when you're the powerful majority issuing threats.
Threats, lynching, and torture didn't stop civil rights. Fight through it like our ancestors did

>>6810052
>It's not that people who don't share the same views are being pushed out it's that they choose to not be there.
That's a fair point but I feel that it is ultimately inconsequential if our goal is to create environments in which productive debates can be held. If everyone segregate themselves by electing to go to places where their views are accepted as gospel then the end result is still arid echo chambers. For an environment to be productive to our end it must house a wide variety of conflicting viewpoints.

>>6810058
That's easy to say when you don't have to fight constantly, against most-everyone. Not to presume anything about you - maybe you do - but it is understandable why this tires people out. Most people just wish to live their lives without putting themselves in conflict with everyone around them at all times.

As an Ace, I get the feeling that I'm not welcome in LGBT safe-spaces.

>>6810130
what the fuck is an ace?

>>6810156
That's how asexuals call themselves now. Weird as fuck.

>>6805641
>safe space
Puerile nonsense that has no place in a free society. If exposure to dissenting opinions gives these coddled ninnies muh pee tee ess dee then they should remove themselves from civil disocourse and education instead of trying to censor everybody else.

Are we to sacrifice our right to free speech on the altar of political correctness?

>>6806289

>2014
>Physics lecture in art building at my college
>two single user bathrooms outside lecture hall marked "unisex"

>2016
>Visit art school to see gallery one day
>Two single user bathrooms outside lecture hall marked "All Gender" with all sorts of weird symbols all over the sign
>Bathrooms still totally the same on the inside

I think people are forgetting that things like "safe spaces" and "inclusive bathrooms" aren't multi-million dollar projects. all the school does is put a sign up or change that sign or whatever and suddenly everybody is flattered and that's really what being "progressive" is

>>6806365

>im so oppressed
>you can't be in my super secret oppression clubhouse because you're not as oppressed as me

>>6810224
I know, isn't it terrifying? Clearly it means that all Christians should cry a whole bunch like little bitches!

>>6810028

I read every single calvin and hobbes strip when I was a kid and didn't understand much, but seeing ones like this makes me want to go back and re-read every single one.

Bill Watterson was amazingly ahead of his time.

>>6807327

Kill yourself. Seriously fucking do it.

>So what does /lgbt/ think of safe spaces?
I think a safe space is any space where I'm allowed to cc an automatic pistol

there are no safe spaces in my country

>>6805641
It's a way to shut out what they don't want to hear, and throw abuse out while crying about how they're being abused.

Fuck anyone who needs a safe space. Their freedom is not worth more than mine.
and they can fuck off with their 'everyone is equal' bullshit too.

>>6805641
I really don't get why people seem to continually misconstrue the concept of a safe space with zero research. If you can even call googling the definition of something "research." No one, literally NO ONE expects or intends to live their whole fucking life in a safe space, yet this is constantly the absurd basis people opposed to safe spaces try to operate on. If you've ever worked in retail, particularly in a shitty store or during the holiday rush, I'm sure you've experienced the endless shit storm of people who give zero shits about the fact that you, as a retail associate, have zero control over their problems being solved, but they unload all their stupid shit on you all the same. You bless the days off you get. You take refuge in the employee lounge or just some place off the floor whenever you can afford it and leave the brunt of the shit to someone else. Yet when people ask why you stick with the shitty job you always say, "well, it's not really that bad, it's just the nonstop bullshit that grates one me. if I just had a little more down time between marathons of shit it wouldn't be as awful." That's all a safe space is: the employee lounge. The down time between marathons of shit. A place to sit down and cool off for a second to decompress and keep you only on the verge of collapse, so a 24/7 stream of shit doesn't just push you over the edge in a day. That's all asking for a safe space is. Even if and when they are granted as asked for, it's 100% infeasible to live in them. No trans or gay student is going to just live their entire college life out in a safe space. What would they just never attend class? Never actually sleep in their dorm? Never go by food or live a life outside that one student lounge that the college begrudgingly conceded to them? What possible sense does the assumption that they go there to completely dodge any and all opposed opinion even begin to make?

>>6805857
>it has already betrayed its own nature the moment it has ceased to protect them.
No. Pluralism is not the same as relativism. It's the relativist that go "everyone's viewpoint is equally valid!" - pluralists are more like "there are potentially several different yet equally valid viewpoints, but there are also viewpoints that are plainly wrong". A pluralist doesn't have to protect those who are against pluralism.

>>6806365
>In the "space", they can talk about their feelings without being judged. That's healthy.
They can also spread pro-ana propaganda completely unchallenged, and hence warp the mind of anyone who enters the 'safe space' and has little to no other forms of support or community.

Judgement is a function of morality; of belief in wrong and right, good and bad. We all have different beliefs about that, so we need debate and discussion. To have a space where there is no judgement is to have a place with no moral values; a nihilist space.

>>6806987
>trigger warnings
Which originally where intended as anti-censorship; instead of not saying or printing something you just give a heads-up and then go on ahead a say whatever fucked up or horrific shit you want and anyone that doesn't want to hear it can just opt not to. But now it's used as censorship instead...

>>6811749
Ought not one account for the risk that they are wrong? How would you find out if you silenced all who opposed you?

>>6811758
What of this very site? Isn't the idea of anonymity to grant freedom from the consequences of saying what's on your mind, thus encouraging honesty?

There is a social cost attached to expressing certain opinions, regardless of how true you believe them to be. Spaces where you can discuss something without repercussions are useful. Heck, imagine trying to discuss evolution with your fellow biologists while an endless stream of dimwitted fundies keep leveling the same baseless accusations against some very basic facts surrounding the topic. We exclude certain lines of conversation from discussions all the time so that more in-depth subjects can be tackled.

>>6805722
If you're goal in life is to fix the "problem" of people getting things right, you need to kill yourself.

>>6811853
Indeed, there is a difference between free discussion without repercussions - where it's even OK to be a dumbass sometimes - and a space where disagreement is forbidded because it hurts someone's feefees. The former improves discussion while the latter shuts it down.

And you're right about the other part too; sometimes you need to keep a discussion focused and hence exclude certain views becuase they just don't belong. That is however not the same as forbidding disagreement, it's just keeping things on topic.

Besides, I think if you had the proper evidence biologists would LOVE for you to disagree about evolution - the problem is baseless and factless opinions in a place of science and not criticism as such.

If you don't like them then don't go to them. It's all very well wanting open debate, but LGBT is a sensitive and personal issue for most people and it's nice to have an area where you're not under attack from shitlords who think you want to defend your existence every waking moment of the day.

As a straight male, of course you don't like them because to you LGBT issues are just 'debate points', they're frivolous and trivial issues you can talk shit about and then walk away without it affecting your life, we don't get that privilege.

You might not like being told on one occasion that you can't say what you want, but it's a bit different when every $2 fucknugget just like you wants to ram their bigoted opinions down our throat 24/7 and then cries oppression when someone tells them to put a sock in it for once.

>>6811903
>being a worthless Hitler is ok, but looking out for your own Jew well being is untermensche!

>>6811758
Those "safe spaces" are primarily pro-ana communities. It's been documented that pro-ana communities are actually health, and increases the well being of anorexics.
It does depend on the type of pro-ana community though, usually the damaging people are ones that don't have anorexia but whats to hurt others (sometimes it's fat women, sometimes it's creepy guys).

You're also naive to think that anorexics haven't heard or thought about something that another anorexic could bring up.

>>6805711
>it's a triggered libtard episode

You belong on another site.

>>6812316
This is not your safe space, pedophile.

>>6809768
To keep society functioning? Also making students pay isn't the only way for educators to earn a living.
>m-muh taxes
Suck it up, it's called society

Safe spaces have a time and a place, like support groups. The classroom is not one of them.

>>6810052
>It's not healthy and it's why people are becoming too afraid to fight
Oh shit, it's conservative crab people trying to turn us into pussies again

>>6812788
It is when Christian heterosexual professors invite TERF Christian pedophiles to the classroom to tell lies and pass them off as education. I would expect any real human who didn't have the balls to do their duty and shoot the worthless TERF bitch to at least stick their fingers in their ears and not listen.

>>6811768
Yeah I haven't actually seen it used that way though I still only see it as, "Trigger Warning: Rape, -says a thing about rape-" I haven't seen it used as a full blown censorship technique that people keep crying over not even on tumblr. The only way I've seen "trigger" as a way of censoring someone is whenever someone tries to debate people about trans stuff younger people on the right have a tendency to call people who defend trans people "triggered tumblr tards XD"

>>6810953

This is a misconception on both sides of the fence though, you can't just say that there are NO cases of people taking the concept too far and acting entitled.

>>6811935
>As a straight male, of course you don't like them because to you LGBT issues are just 'debate points', they're frivolous and trivial issues you can talk shit about and then walk away without it affecting your life, we don't get that privilege
Go fuck yourself faggot, you don't speak for all of us. Not all lgbt people agree with this, not all straight people disagree.

>>6811957
>It's been documented that pro-ana communities are actually health, and increases the well being of anorexic
Dude wat
Source?

>>6812803

Christian parents feel the exact same way when lgbt tolerance and evolution etc are taught in the classroom

>>6812938
I don't give a shit what the worthless living infections known as heterosexuals feel. Evil liars do not matter as much as good people, and by extension, what they feel does not matter as much.

>>6812938
USA needs to start treating Christians like we treat other religious extremists
>fucking drone strikes. Obama has the power now.

>>6812926

It doesn't matter if you disagree with it, it's still true.

>>6812992
Exactly.

Unfortunately, contrary to popular memes, the war on Islams-abroad is in fact a religious war. It's motivated by the Christian hate of Muslims. Most atheists have made it clear that they're too foolish and too pussy to exterminate the filth like it should be exterminated. Even Christians are divided on it, half think the Muslims are just like us and we should let them in our countries, the other half want to bomb them. Instead of doing one or the other, or neither, we're doing both.

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>>6812938
>>6812803

I don't know how Americans put up with this.

I'm not saying that the UK is some kind of bastion of tolerance and intellect (It isn't) but I can't imagine any shit like this over here. I think in my entire lifetime I can probably count the number of Christians I've met on one hand. We have Religious Education as a class in schools but that's about it. It seems weird to me that you have people over there who clearly spout absolute nonsense and nobody seems to speak up about it.

If someone started using religion to defend a point over here I think most people would just be confused, I wouldn't know how to deal with someone if they started going on about god and stuff, it just seems barmy.

>>6813038
Of the four Brits I got to know over the internet, all of them were Christian. They all said they weren't, but they all said Jesus really lived (he never did), they said the New Testament has value (it absolutely does not), they spent half their free time shaming gay people and used it as a general insult, and they felt ashamed when their touched their willies and their clams. They were Christian. You can't just ignore the part that hurts your ego (there's a GOD above you who matters and you do not) but go and memorize all the rest and then pretend you're not Christian. Believing in GOD isn't even the part that matters, if you memorized that bullshit and forgot all the rest, literally everything else about religion, you could be an ok person. Doing it the opposite way around still makes you worthless shit.

And in the U.S., speaking up about Christians can get you run out of schools, fired, evicted, and physically attacked. I know, because every single one has happened to me at least once. I keep doing it anyway, and for that, I'm called crazy. Most people get their feelings hurt too easily to live with being labeled "crazy."

>>6813067

I don't know what you're angry about in this post but OK.

I don't think that believing Jesus was a real person == Christian though. I'm pretty sure there's substantial evidence to suggest he did exist, but whether you agree or not doesn't mean you're religious.

I'm pretty sure you have to believe in god to be a Christian, it's kind of the fundamental part really. I don't think people don't believe it because it hurts their ego, most people don't believe it because it's clearly unscientific impossible nonsense.

But if you met 4 Christian Brits then fair play, I'm not suggesting they don't exist - but they're a rare breed, certainly compared to America.

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>>6805641
You're really barking up the wrong tree if you come to /lgbt/ expecting a majority of people to support safe spaces or the multiple-genders nonsense.

You think people would hang out on fucking 4chan if they wanted a "safe space"?

>>6805641
Everyone that has their own house has a safe space. If you want to be in a safe space, go home.

>>6813067
>they spent half their free time shaming gay people and used it as a general insult, and they felt ashamed when their touched their willies and their clams.

You should read 'A Field Guide to the English', it's by an American Journalist who lived over here for some years and her observations seem to be similar to yours albeit taken in a different way (Except we get called repressed homosexuals a bit).

We are generally very prudish people in a weird way. We all love a cheeky penis joke, but the word 'Vagina' will set a lot of people's teeth on edge. You won't ever get this impression from the internet because there's no filter here but out and about in the UK you can swear black and blue and nobody will bat an eyelid, but say 'Vagina' and people will turn around shocked. And why not? It's an ugly word, even I don't like saying it.

I don't know where religion factors in to being ashamed of touching your penis, I think it's normal to feel a bit of regret when you blow it and close all your open tabs. It's not religion related, it's just because it feels a bit dirty once the moment has passed and you've realized you wasted the last hour watching dingdongs going into flimflams. Find some good material, get it over and done with ASAP and go about your day - that's all anyone wants from a good wank, isn't it?

>>6813112
Spoken like someone who's neither ever been homeless nor have they been stuck living with abusive shitheads.

The concept of safe spaces is to facilitate calmness and happiness and rest for people either A.) stuck in a place they're not allowed to leave for the time being, around shitheads, or B.) misled into going someplace where they expected that it would be ok for them to have fun, then finding themselves surrounded by shitheads who don't want anyone having fun except clones like themselves.

So either they can't leave, or they shouldn't have to. And really, it's usually both at the same time.

>>6813131
>Spoken like someone who's neither ever been homeless nor have they been stuck living with abusive shitheads.
I was smart enough to avoid those situations.

If you live in someone else's house you should abide by their rules. Don't like those rules? Move out as soon as possible.

>>6813128
I said that shit because the reason British people are like that is because they're Christian, even if they lie and say they're not. If you go back and read my other post again, you'll see that I already said that. And if you're not careful, the next time you read my next post that I'm about to post in about 20 minutes or so, I'll find that I'll say it again.

And I would never read anything written by a worthless bitch that uses "lel gays" as a general insult to insult all British people. The bitch can insult British people if she wants, but if she used gay as an insult around me on a bad day I'd remove her ovaries for her with kitchen knife.

People don't always believe what they tell you they believe. They don't even always believe what they believe they believe. You have to look at what people DO to figure out what they really believe. You know, observe reality to figure out what they really believe.

>>6813144
>I was smart enough to avoid those situations.

You're a living pile of heterosexual dog shit implying implications to be smug and worthless Nazi bitch material.

>>6813144
>smart enough to avoid those situations
lmfao like i had a choice to avoid being abused by my parents since the age of 12

>>6813153
Boy I sure wish I had a cute nazi bf with blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>6813168
You're a heterosexual you pedophile dog shit.

>>6813176
lol

>>6813166
When someone says something that stupid, they're not trying to be smart or correct. They're trying to confuse you into shutting up, so they can claim dank victory. "Why the hell would they say something so stupid? Why the hell would they say something so stupid? Why the hell would they say..."

They want you to do that for the next 30 minutes, so maybe for 30 minutes they can pretend they won. Why would you even think hard enough to give a piece of shit a serious answer? Identify a piece of shit, then recycle it.

>>6813188
I'm glad I triggered you.

>>6813147
>I said that shit because the reason British people are like that is because they're Christian, even if they lie and say they're not.

It's not a lie though.

>>6813147
>The bitch can insult British people if she wants, but if she used gay as an insult around me on a bad day I'd remove her ovaries for her with kitchen knife.

Woaaah the edge, holy shit you're a living fedora meme. Now I see where the joke comes from.

>>6813147
>People don't always believe what they tell you they believe. They don't even always believe what they believe they believe. You have to look at what people DO to figure out what they really believe. You know, observe reality to figure out what they really believe.

So being ashamed of touching your penis = Christian because Christians are ashamed of masturbating? That doesn't make any sense though because there are loads of religions like that. Doesn't that also make the Brits you spoke to closet-Muslims for the same reason?

>>6813038

Could just be your perspective is limited.
Ausfag here, we're 60% Christian, 20% Atheist and 20% Other. I've knowingly met like 5 religious people all my life and haven't once had it brought up in discussion, wouldn't have known these people were religious but for the grape vine. It doesn't overtly impact our politics ("we can't teach kids not to hate gays, it's not gods way") but it's still there ("we can't teach kids not to hate gays, it's not the purpose of school"). Kind of like American racism.
I was pretty much completely unaware of religion until I was an adult, really surprised by the stat.

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>>6813193
>Don't like red meat

I'm a Jew and I didn't know it, clearly this has to be the work of my hidden Judaism that I didn't know I believed in and not down to the fact that I'm not big on sausages.

I've observed reality and found Jewish conspiracy, right in my very tastebuds. Is anyone safe from the illuminati?

>>6813226
>It doesn't overtly impact our politics ("we can't teach kids not to hate gays, it's not gods way")

Do people really say this? Apart from online I only ever see Christians saying this at Pride in the 'LGBT Vicars'-type floats.

You might well be right, but from my perspective I've heard that a lot of Australians are pretty religious, even if it's not crazy religious like Americans. I know that over here you'll get forms where you have to fill out your religion and the default 'checked' box is 'Christian' and then 'None/Other' is sort of right down in the corner somewhere.

>>6813131

I wouldn't have thought the homeless or trapped-in-abuse would have access to something as privileged as a designated safe space.

>>6813188
>Identify a piece of shit, then recycle it.
ew, what does shit recycle into?

>>6813244

...Might need to read a bit more closely there, buddy.

>>6813254
Souls, if you believe Christians.

>>6813249
People the most interested in safe spaces are those that have come from abusive homes or homelessness, and don't want some privileged lying Christians like you appointing TERFs to give their "all raped women were asking for it" speeches or anything else really really Christian.

>>6813265

People saying dumb shit like that really shouldn't be that hard to refute, and simply avoiding them only allows them to fester and spread like an infected wound.

>>6813260

I read it correctly, I just don't understand where the idea comes from. I've never heard anyone use that reasoning. I know that in England/Wales we're at the stage where there are more non-religious people than Christians by a pretty large margin. I think that gap narrows substantially when you use the 'UK' because Northern Ireland is super religious.

>>6813276

The whole point of a safe space is so you DON'T have to deal with that. You shouldn't have to be on your guard refuting potentially violent people constantly. These people go home to their Christian families and sleep easy because they don't face discrimination, LGBT folk have to deal with it constantly their whole lives.

>>6813279

Looked it up, England/Wales is also 60% Christian, North Ireland is 80%

And my point was that's NOT the reason given, even though it probably is the reason either secretly or subconsciously.

>>6813285
>LGBT folk
Stop. Your experience is not the quintessential lgbt experience. Not all lgbt people experience trauma, not all non-lgbt people are safe from it. If you're talking about trauma victims, say trauma victims.

>>6813276
The dumbest idea in the world is still impossible to refute if a billion assholes all agree to treat it like it's 100% true. That's why liberals are justified in using whatever means necessary to silence conservative liars, from censorship, lies, safe spaces, violence, laws, nukes, guns, harsh language, and shaming to commercials, floats, parades, festivals, picnics, memes, tweets, books, magazines and napkins. You lying Christian pedophiles do it all the time, it's about time liberals started doing it. It's the only thing your kind ever got right in human history.

>>6813300

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/no-religion-outnumber-christians-england-wales-study

>>6813304

>I'm privileged enough not to experience discrimination, therefore my experiences are the norm!

>>6813455

That's the opposite of what I said.

>>6805641
>I cant blame the jews in history class. such childish anti-intellectual garbage

>>6811881
This is just the mentality humanity needs!

>>6810224

>safe space
Most colleges have unused/sparsely used conference rooms. A school could simply designate one room a "safe space", hang a sign up on the outside, and ask a professor to be in charge of "policing" it if some situation occurs.

>transgender bathrooms
Most large buildings have more than one pair of male and female restrooms. A school could always just designate one pair of these male/female restrooms as being "transgender friendly". People uncomfortable with the idea of potentially sharing a restroom with a transgender person could simply go to the "non-transgender friendly" bathroom and those who don't care (like the vast majority of people in even the most conservative states and cities) can just continue to use any bathrooms.

I don't understand why this couldn't be an agreeable compromise in places where these things are issues. They're virtually free solutions.

>>6813734
That's because they run the universities.

>>6805641
I don't really like the implication of safe spaces online. IRL, they are more than likely a good idea due to all of the piece of shit bigots out there.

Daily reminder that if you're railing primarily against Christians, conservatives, or the right in general regarding education and 'indoctrination' than you're either not paying attention or suffering from an extreme case of confirmation bias. Which is to say that you only recognize the examples that infuriate you, but discount or ignore those you sympathize with ideologically.

https://www.thefire.org/
FIRE is a nonprofit which seeks to protect the rights of students, teachers, and staff within American academia. They're nonpartisan, willing to defend against constitutional violations against students of every stripe. That being said, you'll notice that most examples of colleges and universities punishing ideology they disagree with are not conservative administrations or professors abusing left-wing students. Where those sorts of things do happen most commonly are religious universities, which are not public schools. Since they aren't public schools, they aren't beholden to the Constitution. Public schools are.

That is not to say I agree with the sort of bullshit religious colleges do, like that recent example where the administration felt that a professor recognizing the almost universal understanding that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions was punished because this obvious reality didn't square well with their school's theology or whatever.

This may be less focused on so-called 'safe spaces' but they factor into the larger debate regarding ideology, politics, and fairness in education. Also, for the one persistent and quite angry poster in this thread, there is no need to try to smear me as a Nazi or pedophile for holding a position you dislike, but I don't expect this to stop you.

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>>6814099

that's basically restriction by inversion. Instead of banning transgender people from the majority of bathrooms, you're just allowing transgender people to use certain ones. Any type of solution that involves changing the bathroom's designations will in some way oppress transgender people by restricting their choices in restrooms unless you do change something with all bathrooms across the board which is ultimately pointless.

Instead of fucking around with different bathrooms designations or installing urinals in every single restroom, the best solution is clearly just to do absolutely nothing and wait for everything to go back to how it was before when transgender people didn't exist.

t. trans fed up with bathrooms, god damn.

>>6816793
How the fuck is that oppression you dip shit? All human SHOULD be restricted in bathroom choices. I am cis and I am stuck with one bathroom choice. Does that make me oppressed? Fuck no. Good fuck yourself with "muh privelege"

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>>6816804

I was talking in a purely philosophical way, I don't really give a shit either way unless I'm excluded from both options. Preferably, I want to go to the one that I most closely resemble, but the option that rustles the least amount of jimmies is still going to rustle some jimmies.

Since being trans is literally an exception to the rule, I think trying to designate specifically for exceptions kinda stupid, and we should all just move to single stall unigender bathrooms. Personally, I think people should still keep multi stall restrooms for those who don't care and leave single stall options for those that do, mostly for efficiency purposes.

So yeah back to your point, you're technically being oppressed in your bathroom choices too.

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>>6805641
im a gay guy from Northern Canada, i swear that this how shit storm of "triggers" and "safe spaces" is really so pathetic. if someone ever tried that here you be shot for being retarded, what would your ancestors say? those that need a safe place in the real world are not meant for it. I advise you all to spend 2 weeks in the forest alone, then we can talk about "safe places" or visit a 3rd world country.

>>6816804
By your logic, banning gay sex isn't oppression because gays still have the "one choice" of dating the opposite sex.