Is Social Justice is ruining this community?

>>6702261
Partially, but if you just kind of annoy it and go your own way everything will be fine.

What fucking community

>>6702265
ignore* not sure why I said annoy

>>6702268
the LGBTUYG%&^UTYUBYTJGHNTYHDGFGQ I think

>>6702261
>>6702276
My English is not the best sorry

>>6702261

I don't know what's worst, the "queer socialists" or the national socialist faggots who think that they wouldn't be gassed without a second thought.

History is there for a reason, so you can see how shitty everything was back then and how warped some ideologies were. If you are that dumb of a nigger to ignore all of that, then you should probably be put down in all honesty.

>>6702282
"WOW but my personal type of communism would work" -queer socialists

>>6702282
this, queer people who supports right wing are delusional, pol don't want to be your friend, and they hate you like they hate all "degenaracy" people like milo would be the firts in be executed if germany ends in a 4th reich.

>>6702296
on the contrary, a Natsoc Socity built on classical liberalism would be fine for gay people, not sure for the "others" though

>>6702302
>NatSoc
>classical liberalism
how would this even work

>>6702302

Uh, how would that work? If National socialism requires you to reproduce and spread your genes and not to be a general degenerate, how and WHY would they even consider it?

At that rate it's not national socialism if you're going to violate one of the biggest parts of that ideology. Add in the fact that "usefulness" is completely subjective to them, you're at their mercy, hence why fags were also killed back then. You could say that they could do invitro but why would any NatSoc want a faggots genes and especially if it wasn't a clear cut family structure. Or am I missing something?

You can't just cherry pick stuff like most modern day religious folk.

>>6702261
Not checking what you wrote before posting is ruining this website, op

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>>6702309
Classical liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.

National Socialism is a totalitarian system characterized by intense nationalism, dictatorial or draconian police state rule, mass appeal, brutal use of violence.

If you take the Policies of Natsoc, and regulate it though ClaLib, so get rid of the dictator part, and simply rule by the people then your Golden.

>>6702261
No - an inabiity to call a spade a spade is killing this community. That includes a complete allergy to political correctness acquired from the more loud, thoughtless and unintelligent radicals on the left.

Not all Social Justice ideas are completely invalid, but the black/white mentality of people today makes it harder for anyone to have a nuanced understanding of most issues. This is quite clearly present (and isn't new, but exaggerated by social media) on both sides of the political spectrum.

>>6702317
My English isn't very good, Grammar is the worst.
>>6702279

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Don't listen to the /pol/ people. Behind every Nazi post is a self-hating gay furry.

>>6702318
So just change everyone's minds and make them support the policies of National Socialism using violence, isn't that contradictory to Classical Liberalism in and of itself?

>>6702339

I'm pretty sure that's a troll or a high school dropout.

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>>6702334
naw,
>Gays: Ok they can act like nannies when we ban abortion .
>Furies: 0 redeemable factors, purge or deport.

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>>6702342
>when we ban abortion
Why? That worked so well with Romania.

>>6702341
remember the french rev,
>completely bloodless right.
american Rev
>completely bloodless right.
Russian red rev?
>completely bloodless right.

>>6702344
>>6702339
Meant for you not >>6702341

>>6702343
>except for life threatening cases.
It is the failure of the individual not the state that they are in that situation. the only obligation of the state is to insure a growing pop and the freedom to do as one pleases with ones life. simple.

>>6702345
Yeah, but (most) of those were working towards a society where violence wasn't built on violence, you're not only advocating for a violent revolution (which in this day and age is a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't care if it was just that), but a society built on the use of violence. There's almost nothing classically liberal about it, except you get a """""""""vote"""""""""

>>6702349
>It is the failure of the individual not the state that they are in that situation.
Maybe you should read some history.

>In October 1966, Ceaușescu(Romanian dictator) banned abortion and brought in one of the world's harshest anti-abortion laws.
>In 1967, Ceaușescu, in an attempt to boost the country's population, made abortion illegal and introduced Decree 770 to reverse the very low birth rate and fertility rate. Mothers of at least five children would be entitled to significant benefits, while mothers of at least ten children were declared heroine mothers by the Romanian state. Few women ever sought this status; instead, the average Romanian family during the time had two to three children.
>The government also targeted rising divorce rates and made divorce much more difficult—it was decreed that a marriage could be dissolved only in exceptional cases. By the late 1960s, the population began to swell. In turn, a new problem was created by child abandonment, which swelled the orphanage population (see Cighid). Transfusions of untested blood led to Romania accounting for many of Europe's pediatric HIV/AIDS cases at the turn of the 21st century despite having a population that only makes up around 3% of Europe's total population.

These kids then became so called "sewer kids of Romania", since no one wanted to take care of them.

Your idea of state to "give freedom" while banning abortion don't fit well together. But most importantly I asked you why you want it to happen. People in middle class rarely get accident babies, it's most often planned pregnancy. The ones with most accidents are poor and uneducated. So what do you think you're going to happen when they can't stop that shit? They'll just leave the baby in the streets to die or some orphanage like what happened in Russia and Romania.

>>6702358
The People should have near complete control of the state, if the People will Blood they shall have it is they wish for peace so be it. the States only obligation should be to the Nation. Violence is simply a human byproduct.

>>6702369
Yes, However the State achieved a Victory for National Manpower. they State insured they may have life. Now it is up to them to do something with that life.

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>>6702370
It's not "near complete control of the state" if it's forcing them to think a certain way friengd :^)

>>6702379
How said anything about influencing people?

>>6702313
It's literally just kids from /pol/. They think that they alone would be allowed to act as complete degenerates.

>>6702382
very very few people will vote national socialist unless they're influenced by the state
very very few people will want to keep it that way even if it does become like that

>>6702377
Oh so this is just about unintellectual power fantasies that don't work in real life.

>>6702370
You should go to Syria, since that is the goal of movements such Islamic State and Muslim Brotherhood.
Or Somalia, if you want complete freedom.

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>>6702334
furries are cancer.
gay furries are even worse.
gay nazi furries deserved to die of overwork in the gulag.

i've gonna search his twitter to see if this real, i have the impression he is a biphobic faggot like the majority of gay men who supports the right wing.

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>>6702393
It is real, pretty much how I imagine alt-right to be
https://heatst.com/tech/of-course-there-are-nazi-furries-and-they-love-trump/

I want these people come over to Europe and see real NatSoc movements, and if they would get such nice welcoming.

>>6702405
that article
my fucking sides.

>>6702272
But ignoring it allows them to continue to recruit unnoticed. Ignoring a growing demographic within your community doesn't always work and sure hasn't been working against these people over the past few decades. At some point we have say enough

>>6702424
I guess so. There's not much to do though. I feel like a lot of gays are moving towards the pro-gun side of things and waking up and realizing a lot of this social justice stuff is bullshit at the same time, so idk if they're growing or not.

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Daily reminder the Muslims have teamed up with the Nazis before, have done it again, and will do it again
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
>http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/george-lincoln-rockwell-members-american-nazi-party-attend-nation-islam-summit-1962-hear-malcom-x-speak/

>>6702391
why would direct democracy,egalitarianism-liberity national focus policies be disliked

>>6702449
I meant there's not much you can do, but advocate against us. It's not easy to just instantly change people's views.

>>6702452
against it* oops

>>6702424
Usually teens, who are mostly falling to the most stupid bullshit, don't listen even if you debunk false claims with pure facts. Eventually most of them learn and grow out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqU29dcaEc
How do you talk to these people? They just need to learn this shit is not cool it's embarrassing.

>>6702457
You don't talk to them. You talk to their potential recruits. You warn people before their sign their minds up

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>tfw everyone who thinks national socialism and queer socialism is a good thing
>tfw most of those people are autists who didn't finish middle school or are still in it
>tfw no sane person would ever think that either system is even viable due to its past faults
>tfw everyone here is being trolled by obvious bait

8/10 OP you did well

>>6702449
direct democracy would be a shitshow without vote weighting. the only reasons representative democracy isn't is that most of the dregs are too stupid to vote and the others' idiocy is at least somewhat removed from policy

>>6702473
it works for Switzerland, so i cant be that bad

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>>6702482
>direct democracy
>not part of the EU
How do they survive? Where are the elites to lead them?

>>6702449
Direct democracy is just a bother to citizens. To make important decisions people should be educated very widely, starting from defense policies to economy. Otherwise it leads to decisions influenced by populism(in defense policy, foreign "trolls" can influence people as well), since most people don't even bother doing deep research on various topics.

For example, I don't have kids. I don't know anything about having kids. So I don't want to be responsible for making decisions that concern families with children because I don't really have time to educate myself about childcare. It's better that families with children vote for people who they think would make best decisions for them, and then have them working for best result. I vote for a person/party I see representing me and my ideals in decision making, and it's my responsibility to do research who would be best for that. After that I don't need to get involved in every little detail because even though I'm interested in lot of things and enjoy doing research, I know lot of people don't do that and even I have better ways to spend my time.

>>6702447
/thread/

muslim terrorist and their ideals are in the same spectrum than european nazis or KKK, they still are right wingers, the difference is that they are right wingers with other ultra conservative ideology.

>>6702510
From what I understand, they have a really good economy too.

>>6702512
Instead of saying "most people don't bother to learn about X" why don't we say "most people should be more informed so we can have a successful direct democracy?"

>>6702318
Yo. Classical Liberal here. I just want you to know that this is retarded and authoritarian-right and libertarian-right don't fucking mix.

>>6702521
Well that's the ideal situation, but it's different how you make it happen in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I

>>6702514
>the left rallies behind them and the right hates them
This is fucking hilarious to me for some reason

>>6702447
Modern neo-nazis hate Muslims at least as much as they hate LGBT and Jews, gypsies et cetera

I mean for example Finland might possibly have a referendum about applying for NATO membership. To make a well researched decision every citizen should have some kind of graps of the internation security situation and read the assessment of the effects of possible membership, which is assembled by professionals and is 68 pages long.

How many people do you think is actually going to read that whole thing? Very few, instead they'll follow whatever tabloids or "alternative media" tells them, with a little spice of foreign influenced information war and conspiracies. Whatever is the right or wrong decision is different case, but it's important to consider HOW people made their decision.

>>6702532
Switzerland is proof that it's obtainable. A direct democracy can't work if people are ignorant of the facts. Their country would be in ruins if they were as bad with politics as the average American.

Not sure why that video was posted but unfortunately he's right. People in this country, everywhere on the political spectrum, favor feels over facts. But this can change. There's no reason to believe that for the first time in US history American culture is now set in stone

>>6702561
The original Nazis considered all Arabs to be inferior but that's didn't stop them from teaming up to defeat a common enemy.

>>6702579
True, but the neo-nazis are not nearly as clever.

>>6702564
Even in Switzerland, the country of 8 million people, direct democracy hasn't completely replaced representative democracy but is used by its side. Their system is rooted long in their history, and yes it could work, but it needs decades of work to get on their level. You really can't force people to adapt to democracy as we can see from the situation in the Middle East. The system in Switzerland is fantastic but they're particularly well informed people.

>>6702616
No is is advocating a sudden switch. We all know it takes time. We're just not willing to say "fuck it, it will take too long"

>>6702584
>True, but the neo-nazis on the news are not nearly as clever.
FTFY

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>>6702561
They hate them because they see them as invaders. But they share the same conservative far-right ideology. Both hate modern liberal Western society, the one where we can live in peace. Neither are our allies.

Yes

I meet very few young gay people who don't buy into every progressive liberal narrative and drink the SJW kool-aid to some degree. And most that don't as much or are relatively apolitical will still just sort of nod and accept everything their more indoctrinated brethren will mention to them.

Don't know how many times I've rolled my eyes after hearing some """bisexual""" """correct""" someone.

"Ackchuallyyyyy gender is a social construct? Like hello??"

>>6702282
>>6702296
>(((history)))

>>6702510
Switzerland has some of the world's major banks, and tax-dodging billionaires all like to store their money there.

The Swiss government also upholds strict classist policies ensuring that you have to be well off to even live in the country, and they don't take immigrants

>>6702261
It seems like the SJW fad is about to start dying. There are people who have started to be critical of the regressive left not just conservatives but from true liberals who despise policing.

>>6702261
What's Hitler so smug about? Germany's a muslim enclave.