>being gay >voting for Hillary Literally why?

>being extant
>voting for Hillary

Literally why?

#FeelTheJohnson

Because no one else who isn't trump has a chance of winning at this point

>>6615399
i wanna feel your johnson senpai~~~!

> voting for Hillary
Do you want the world to end?

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>being a sentient consciousness of any kind
>voting for Hillary

>>6615418
true dat
not voting, or voting for others is throwing away your vote; that's just how fucking fptp works.
its math
see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_voting
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sincere_voting

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>>6616223
check this out

>>6613536
every once in a while i get like "Ok trump nope, im throwinghillary my vote" then i get reminded of just howcorrupt and terrible she is and realive trump is by far the less of the two evils
>its not even a choice, a jackass or a criminal

>>6613536
Because I like Bernie and I didn't fall for the "Trump is just like Bernie" or "voting third party" memes.

>>6616256
trump is equally corrupt, and since they're both corrupt, i'd rather take the one who at least has some semblance of appearance of caring about the people of their nation (even if only to save face in front of the rest of the world)

>>6616256
Isn't Trump also technically a criminal?

>>6616533
>trump is equally corrupt
Not even within the most diseased of imaginations. Trump's been sued over some sour business ideas, Hillary has a long fucking list of political corruption, horrible fucking bills (including that lovely little adoption bill that she cooked up with Tom DeLay) , and outright lying the the American public. This is a bitch who creates a generation of legal orphans and says "job well done."
>I'd rather take the one who at least has some semblance of appearance of caring about the people of their nation (even if only to save face in front of the rest of the world
You'd rather have Trump then. Whatever you think about his proposals, the driving argument behind them is that he thinks they will make lives better for the American people.

>>6613536
Pence.

>>6616868
>the driving argument behind them is that he thinks they will make lives better for the American people.
Do you actually know that? Can you read Trump's mind to know he actually believes his policies will benefit the American people? Why do you think he believes what he does will benefit the American people, while also thinking the same isn't true of Hillary?

>>6615418
Trump: employed dozens of gay people in his business, wants to ban the influx of muslims who want to behead and murder gays

Hillary: in bed with the Saudi Arabs, didn't believe in gay rights until 2008

I honestly struggle to think why would any gay person consider voting for Hillary over Trump. Many Trump supporters are homophobic (and so are Hillary's supporters - most of the blacks and muslims), but he himself is not.

>>6619199
I'm honestly amazed people are voting for either of them
Not really, but still

>>6619211
Well who else was there? Bernie got cucked so hard he endorsed Hillary in the end. Cruz is as homophobic as it gets, Gary Johnson is a meme.

>>6613536
As much as Trump detractors argue that he's anti-gay, he's pretty outspoken on being anti-Islam, or at least doesn't want that faith to further grow in the US, and Islam is hardcore anti-gay. Worse than whatever people play up Americanized protestant Christianity to be, by far.

But /lgbt/ has a decent /k/ and /pol/ crossover, and neither of those boards intend to vote for Hillary. Well, /pol/ might play up Trump the whole time and then go vote Hillary for the chaos of it all.

>>6619226
I thought you Americans are overrun by Mexicans not Muslims. What the fuck is voting Trump going to achieve?

Also, Jill Stein is obviously the best candidate. Your two party system is retarded.

>>6619226
But Trump isn't even anti-gay. He believes in traditional marriage, as did Hillary until recently, but he doesn't have an anti-gay rhetoric or anything like that. Remember when Kim Davis tried protesting gay marriage and strutted around with Cruz, Trump told her to sit the fuck down and respect the law of the land.

>"We had a ruling from the Supreme Court and we are a country of laws and you have to do what the Supreme Court ultimately, whether you like the decision or not, and it was a 5-4 decision, whether you like the decision or not, you have to go along with the Supreme Court. That’s the way it is."

Not to mention he's been employing gay people since forever and took a very pro-gay stance right after the Orlando masacre.

>>6619241
>Jew Stein
>pro-amnesty
>pro DREAM act extension
>open borders for everyone

No thank you.

>>6615418
You don't have to vote for who you think will win.

And the Republican platform specifically calls for:

- overturning supreme court decision allowing same sex marriage

- making it legal to discriminate against gay people if you just say "it's my religion"

- make gay conversion therapy legal for minors, & remove restrictions on placing children in it

- reduce adoption by same sex couples

Why would a gay person vote to show support for this huge gang of nasty Republicans?

Trying to say "Oh, but Trump doesn't think that" is not just trying to conceal that he uses those topics to attract Republicans, it is attempting to conceal the agenda that will be in place if a Republican is elected.

Show me an honest Republican. You can't. You can't even find one that's honest with himself.

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>>6613536
Because Trump said last week he would put another Scalia in the court and repeal the Johnson amendment revoking tax except status for churches if they get political.

82% of LGBT folk in a poll in may 2016 said they would vote for Hillary. Ignore all the anti-Hillary folks on here. They are a small vocal minority.

>>6616554
>Isn't Trump also technically a criminal?

Yes because he's taken foreign donations and worked with the mafia and associations with a known pedophile.

>thinking voting matters

Are you all 5 years old?

>>6623079
See>>6623010

>he would put another Scalia in the court and repeal the Johnson amendment revoking tax except status for churches if they get political.

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>voting
Have you faggots not realized everything is pointless?

>>6623084
>Taking a ClintonBot seriously
>(Current Year)

I'm pretty sure I'm voting trump if it keeps the Muslim hordes out of America. I value my head and bf's life.

Only deluded regressives are gormless enough to vote for the warhawk.

>>6624236
america is too distant

>>6619249
>He believes in traditional marriage
euphemism for anti-gay

>>6624236
"Muslim hordes" is just exaggeration and fearmongering. Yes, they have a backwards culture but not even Clinton is going to bring in so many that we become the equivalent of some Middle Eastern country. You might as well vote for a candidate who promises to stop the moon from exploding.

>>6624236
>I'm pretty sure I'm voting trump if it keeps the Muslim hordes out of America.

The Christian hordes in America will execute you.

>>6626144
>The Christian hordes in America will execute you.
Yeah because it's the Christians that go around executing people that insult Christ. Totally.

>>6626240
>Yeah because it's the Christians that go around executing people that insult Christ. Totally.

in America they pass laws that arrest you for insulting Christ.

GOP platform calls for enacting a Christian theocracy and pass laws banning gay people from living.

Trump said he wants another Scalia on the court. Scalia voted to ban sodomy. That means Trump supports banning sodomy as well.

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>>6615399
This.
I like Trump for being a master troll pissing the right people off, but not really what I would look for in a candidate philosophically.

>>6619687
No, but if you have strong feelings that Trump would be the worst option and your choices are between a dislikable candidate or a candidate you like but stands little chance in the polls, you vote for the dislikable candidate. Third parties don't stand a chance and so all this achieves is weakening the anti-Trump vote.

The point is you cannot be LGBT and side with Christian Americans.

The GOP platform is the most anti-LGBT in us history. There are state legislatures across the nation that are very hostile towards LGBT people.

This is the same party that booed a gay solider in 2011. Using your NEO CON talking points on here are not going to work. The NEO CONS on here who are saying but but Muslim are the same neo cons who advocated invading Iraq.

>>6626283
>Third parties don't stand a chance and so all this achieves is weakening the anti-Trump vote.

In swing states vote for Hillary, in non-swing states vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

If any pollster asks, always say Stein so she can get 15 percent to get into the debates.

>>6626287
I'll vote economics, and guns before I give a shit about being gay and gay politics. In any case the religious right is only a straw boogeyman they hardcore of that group is a joke and no one cares what they have to say.

>>6626255
>That means Trump supports banning sodomy as well.
Although didn't the Supreme Court already find criminalising sodomy as unconstitutional in Lawrence vs. Texas? Even if he gets a new Scalia in, the actual Scalia couldn't block that.

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>>6626311
>I'll vote economics,

So why would you vote for someone who is economically retarded as Donald Trump?

>>6626317
>Although didn't the Supreme Court already find criminalising sodomy as unconstitutional in Lawrence vs. Texas?

Supreme Court and overturn that with a GOP controlled Supreme Court.

>>6626300
>in non-swing states vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party.
Yeah, but you're basing that on the idea that it'll count as a protest vote. If enough anti-Trump people who are dissatisfied with Hillary do that (and there's plenty of people who are dissatisfied with Hillary), then you could weaken the non-swing state sufficiently to wind up with Trump

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>>6626311
>I give a shit about being gay and gay politics.

>listen I know the GOP wants to kill me but but I want to give the Koch brothers even more tax breaks.

Proof that you can be gay and retarded at the same time. There was many gays in the Nazi SA movement as well.

>>6626319
Who would have though you saved more money on a percentage when you make a fuck tonne more money.
Taxes should be flat percentage if we have them at all. I see no candidates aside from Johnson really making a proposal I like on taxes.

>>6626328
>Yeah, but you're basing that on the idea that it'll count as a protest vote.

So what's the solution? Wait eight more years and run Sanders again at the age of like 80 something?

>>6626336
>Taxes should be flat percentage if we have them at all.

Why not just abolish all taxes and turn into Somalia? Let the magical free market solve everything

>>6626322
Wouldn't they have to wait for a bunch of Supreme Court justices to die? 3 of them are over 75, but then we're waiting for Garland to get approved by the Senate.

Because I don't want the other options to win.

>>6626362
>but then we're waiting for Garland to get approved by the Senate.

If Trump is elected you can kiss Garland goodbye. It's gonna be some neocon right wing GWB era judge who thinks the bible should be law and everyone who isn't a straight white male should be in jail.

>>6626340
Well there isn't really a solution. The options are Trump or Hillary, in effect. Any attempts at protest voting, spoiling the ballot or abstaining just shift the balance towards Trump. That's just an issue with the way the American democratic system works.

>>6626332
There you go making shit up, I am not into the GOP and I don't think they want to kill me. Proof faggot, do you have it?
This is you;
"huurrr you are not going to vote hillary? You must be a Republican that hates yourself and wants to die and give all you money to crony capitalism"
While Hillary can literally be openly hostile to gay marriage for the entire time she is the first lady and some how it's 2016 and she is different. She can have a foundation that thrives on cronyism and corruption and yet that is ignored to. pls This election cycle is full of scum, but I would rather not have Hillary putting forth names for Supreme Court Justices.

>>6626372
Why haven't the Senate approved Garland, anyway? I thought he got nominated more or less straight after Scalia died, but they still haven't given him a hearing.

>>6626346
Why not read a book and figure out that Somalia has a govt, and it is call despotism. In any case why not have 100% tax and let the magic of government solve all of life's problems.

>>6626377
>The options are Trump or Hillary, in effect.

Well obviously nobody wants Trump since he's GWB on steroids.

>Any attempts at protest voting, spoiling the ballot or abstaining just shift the balance towards Trump. That's just an issue with the way the American democratic system works.

I'll have you know an even number of Republicans and Democrats voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Yes this closeness did lead to the US Supreme Court, however that couldn't happen this time because the Court is no longer Republican majority since Scalia's death.

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>>6626387
>Why haven't the Senate approved Garland, anyway?

<-----------

>>6626381
>"huurrr you are not going to vote hillary? You must be a Republican that hates yourself and wants to die and give all you money to crony capitalism"

Yes if you don't vote for Hillary in a swing state you are voting against your own kind because you are empowering Trump aka voting for him by proxy.

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>>6626392
>Why not read a book and figure out that Somalia has a govt, and it is call despotism. In any case why not have 100% tax and let the magic of government solve all of life's problems.

We should have a progressive taxation system that taxes the rich more than others. We should have single payer healthcare that gets rid of insurance industries fucking over the average American. We need to expand social security.

>>6626409
I will never vote for that gun grabbing mafioso corrupt piece of shit. Period.
I'll Vote johnson, fuck I would write in Bernie before I would ever give anything to her.

>>6626381
I think the point is more that Hillary is a terrible person, but would not do anything homophobic while in office, while the GOP want to undermine any LGBT protections (and potentially overturn the SCOTUS decisions on sodomy).
Do you want it to be illegal for you to have sex, again? 5 years hard labour is still on the books as the punishment in Louisiana and if the constitutional ban is overturned, that's what it'll go back to.

>>6626416
>gun grabbing

God dam it. SHE'S NOT GOING TO GRAB YOUR GUN!

She simply wants a background check on all Americans who want to purchase them, along with banning some assault weapons which shouldn't belong on the streets.

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>>6626422
>Hillary is a terrible person

She's our candidate. Reminder only 16% of LGBT voters support Drumpf. I'm gonna keep posting this poll till November.

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/04/survey-lgbt-voters-back-clinton-over-trump-by-4-1-margin/

http://www.washingtonblade.com/content/files/2016/05/WINS-Findings-Among-LGBT-Voters-May-2016.pdf

>>6626332
>There was many gays in the Nazi SA movement as well.
>gays
>in the gay branch of nazism
This must be bait.

>>6626415
We can argue the merits/cons of the Socialism versus Free Market. Hillary is neither of those things why would you go for her?
>>6626427
Ok I don't believe yo,u and I don't believe her, there are plenty of statements from her and her cronies claiming they want to do just that.
As to the background checks and other shit there is a way to do this. It's called a constitutional convention until you change 2A, go fuck yourself.
>>6626422
I can see what you see in this but she is not the answer the GOP is being forced to care less about this. Most people don't give a shit anymore not something I worry about.

>>6626422
Fucking this. It's bigger than the candidates, a vote for them is a vote for their parties. And the GOP is more anti-LGBT (especially the G and the T) than it's ever been before. They want to undo ALL the progress that's been made.

"Party of small government" my ass, unless they mean "so small it can fit in every bedroom in America".

>>6626451
>Hillary is neither of those things why would you go for her?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle

>>6626457
>"Party of small government" my ass,

They pretty much dropped the whole "small government" thing with Trump and these bathroom laws. They are now full out neofascist.

>>6626461
I would vote for Johnson or Jill we have more than 2 option here.

>>6626443
lern2history
Ernst Röhm was the leader of the SA, and Hitler liked him and dampened down the homophobia of the Nazi party. Once Hitler felt Röhm was a threat, the Night of the Long Knives happened and then Hitler excused Röhm's execution by going "he was a degenerate homosexual" and then purged gays.

>>6626468
>I would vote for Johnson or Jill we have more than 2 option here.

As long as it's a non-swing state.

>>6626466
The Reps and Dems have not been small govt in this century.

>>6626473
I live in Wyoming so no, it is going Trump. Even if I was in a swing state I could never vote Hilldawg.

>>6619199
Based on what he offered John Kasich, it doesn't seem like Trump is really gonna do much and just defer power to his VP, and Mike Pence HATES gay people.

>>6626482
>I live in Wyoming so no, it is going Trump. Even if I was in a swing state I could never vote Hilldawg.

I only want her president for the US Supreme Court. Scalia showed just how important it is to get her elected.

>>6626476
The Dems NEVER claimed to be "small government" but the Reps told that lie so long they even stopped believing it.

Now they're just fascist-lite.

>>6626484
>it doesn't seem like Trump is really gonna do much and just defer power to his VP, and Mike Pence HATES gay people.

Plus he would sign anything the GOP Congress would pass into law First Amendment Defense Act here we come!!!!11

>>6626451
>I can see what you see in this but she is not the answer the GOP is being forced to care less about this
The GOP is not being forced to do anything, and once they're in power (especially with a vacant SCOTUS seat and three justices being really old and close to death) there's no reason for them not to overturn the decision of Lawrence vs. Texas.
The answer to "I don't want to go to prison for having sex with my boyfriend" isn't "I'm sure the GOP will just give up being homophobic if they get power", it's "Make sure the GOP don't gain power by voting for the only other party that stands a chance". Louisiana recently voted AGAINST removing the sodomy prohibition from their legal code, even though it is currently unenforceable due to it being constitutional.
I don't know why so many alt-right people seem to adopt the position of "Oh well, I'm sure all the bad things people say about my party will turn out to be fine".

>>6626491
We differ here greatly I don't want her messing with the supreme court.
>>6626494
yeah Dems where fascist from the start. And didnt try to hide it.

>>6626484
This too. The last thing the LGBT community needs is that fucking sellout having any kind of power.

>>6626499
>We differ here greatly I don't want her messing with the supreme court.

It's either her or Trump. Do you want Trump putting a Heritage Foundation puppet in there?

>>6626387
>Why haven't the Senate approved Garland, anyway?
It's bad for the GOP AND they have means to delay his appointment for a very long time so they're doing just that.

People that think politics are about being right are idiots, politics have always been about self interest. The important part is that the self interest of those in power matches your own self interest.

>>6626377
>Well there isn't really a solution. The options are Trump or Hillary, in effect.
Third option is a revolution, possibly non-violent and legal but even violent one is fine.

>>6626497
The world is going to hell fast and the last people are going to worry about or have time to waste breath on is were my dick is.
see>>6626482
I live in one of the most redneck cowboy states there is and they don't give a shit here. I know this is anecdotal and take from it what you will but the people I know and have met just don't care and they are Trump supporters.

>>6626508
Plus Hillary's voting base is LGBT as shown here>>6626439

84% of LGBT will vote for Hillary.

Who are Trump's voting base? Dumb stupid old white Evangelical Christian men.

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>>6626499
>"Dems where fascist"

>>6626515
You know, yeah, as shitty as that sounds but we have shitty choices. I know the corruption and evil that is Hillary. Trump is a bit more in the grey. I think I would go with the wildcard.

>>6626523
>I live in one of the most redneck cowboy states there is and they don't give a shit here.

Tell that to someone living in the bible belt fuck face cunt.

>>6626415
>We should have a progressive taxation system that taxes the rich more than others. We should have single payer healthcare that gets rid of insurance industries fucking over the average American. We need to expand social security.
And Hillary won't do any of that, that was Sander's thing. Only changes Hillary will make is more immigrants and the only real change Trump would make is less immigrants, that's what it all comes down to. Neither of them are "smash the system" even though Trump likes to pretend he is.

>>6626472
>lern2history
I know my history.
Calling gays retarded for joining an organisation that was pretty lax to homosexuals for its time and had an openly gay leader who used to be on good terms with Hitler, well that's ignorant of history.

Anyone who knows history a little could tell you that it were Hitler's other nazi friends who had something against homosexuality and used it as an excuse to persecute SA members after the Night of the Long Knives happened.

>>6626527
Pretty generalizing, racist, and otherizing desu senpai.

>>6626527
Literally the ONLY people he has positive ratings with are straight white men, and mostly old ones at that.

Everybody else sees through his bullshit and blatant lies.

>>6626523
>the last people are going to worry about or have time to waste breath on is were my dick is.
They seem to waste a lot of breath on where trans women can piss. And I can tell you that the good old boys in Louisiana care plenty whenever I go back down there.

>>6626535
>I think I would go with the wildcard.

He literally said "I would put people hand picked by the Heritage Foundation to the US Supreme Court."

He's said some of the most out right insane neofacist far right wing stuff. He wants to repeal the Johnson amendment that would repeal tax except status for churches if thy are political. He wants to repeal the Hodges supreme court decision legalizing gay marriage nationwide.

Trump wants to sign the First Amendment Defense Act. He made Mike Pence his VP. He's an overt racist who has the endorsement of David Duke. He's not a wild card, he's an out right fascist.

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>>6626536
Well I guess we better enrich the area with those tolerant muslims from the war torn middle east to make those bible thumpers more open.

>>6626554
This is why come November I am voting for Johnson.

>>6626546
>Literally the ONLY people he has positive ratings with are straight white men,

Even his ratings with them aren't that high. Generally only white trash like him. Ironic white trash like him when Trump's economic policies would hurt them the most. White trash always vote against their own interests.

>>6626538
>pretty lax to homosexuals

Yeah all those homosexuals dying in concentration camps was great!

>>6626546
>Everybody else sees through his bullshit and blatant lies.
Or everyone else is being told what to think by the liberal media. Notice how they didn't mention a thing about Hillary's corruption while any time Trump says anything that can even vaguely be considered racist it's everywhere 24/7

>>6626555
This isn't Europe, it's not easy to get here, legally or otherwise.

Not only that, the Muslims we have in the US tend to have kids who aren't very Muslim at all.

So you can take your bullshit fear mongering else where.

>>6626555
>Well I guess we better enrich the area with those tolerant muslims from the war torn middle east to make those bible thumpers more open.

What percentage of the US population is Muslim? Now what percentage is Christian? I'm waiting.

The only immigrants I see the GOP bitching about are Latinos, because they vote Democrat.

>>6626567
>Or everyone else is being told what to think by the liberal media.

Media isn't liberal, it's right wing.

>>6626565
>Yeah all those homosexuals dying in concentration camps was great!
>doesn't know the difference between the SA, the SS and the nazi party
Are you retarded or are you baiting me?

>>6626555
But forget all that other shit, how are you so scared of less than 1% of the US population?

>>6626581
Nazi party as a whole was hostile towards LGBT people. A few closet cases doesn't mean shit. There are closet cases in ISIS. There fore ISIS is pro LGBT!

>>6626579
>Media isn't liberal, it's right wing.
What world do you live in? It's OVERWHELMINGLY liberal.

>>6626585
>But forget all that other shit, how are you so scared of less than 1% of the US population?

Because he's a neocon pushing for bombing Iran and other "scary" Muslim nations. He's a GWB apologist.

>>6626587
>What world do you live in? It's OVERWHELMINGLY liberal.

Prove it.

>>6626579
It's liberal because in 2016 liberals are the useful idiots that best suit the interest of bankers and corporations and other globalists. Right wingers are mostly nationalist nowadays and those are anathema to everything globalists want (like mass immigration).

>>6626569
So Orlando just didn't happen when was the last time a Christfag went on a gay bar shooting? Christianity is joke in most of the western world and they don't get to openly say that gays should be killed anymore Islam does in apolegetically. Even if they can't get here in numbers I'll worry about them more.

>>6626586
Early Nazi party wasn't homophobic because one of the highest ranking Nazi officials, the head of the brownshirts, was gay, and Hitler liked him so he kept the homophobia down. When he felt threatened by that guy, he had him killed, and in order to justify it explained that the guy was gay and gays were a threat to Germany.

>>6626593
When was the last time you saw a positive story on Trump in large media outlets? Exactly, even Fox hates him because Reps were being pressured by their big business partners to be pro-immigration this year and then Trump ruined everything.

>>6626595
>Right wingers are mostly nationalist nowadays and those are anathema to everything globalists want (like mass immigration).

You are a fucking retarded faggot. I wonder how much the Koch brothers pay you to post here.

>>6626601
I'm not worried about Christians killing me, I'm more worried about Christians changing the law and then throwing me in jail for screwing my boyfriend.

>>6626601
>So Orlando just didn't happen when was the last time a Christfag went on a gay bar shooting?

Orlando was done by a gay person who was angry his Latino boyfriend nearly gave him HIV.

Sure thing neocon we see you.

>>6626604
Nice argument. You've sure convinced me. And if I was on the Jewish payroll I'd be in Antifa talking all day how we're all global citizens and borders are illegal. Everything to drive down those wages and kill white working class vote.

>>6626602
>Early Nazi party wasn't homophobic

Heinrich Himmler viewed homosexuality as degenerate and did everything in his power to crush it in the party, which he did in 1934.

>>6626586
>nazi party as a whole was hostile to lgbt
>because the SA has absolutely nothing to do with the nazi party
>Ernst Röhm never existed either
>comparing the SA with ISIS is a valid comparison
Yep you are retarded.

>>6626619
>which he did in 1934.
And early Nazi party was 1920 - 1933.

>>6626592
>>6626612

>Because he's a neocon pushing for bombing Iran and other "scary" Muslim nations. He's a GWB apologist.
Yup you got me I'm so a Neocon and I voted for Bush

Wrong, I have never voted republican in my life care to strawman more?

>>6626615
>Nice argument. You've sure convinced me. And if I was on the Jewish payroll I'd be in Antifa talking all day how we're all global citizens and borders are illegal. Everything to drive down those wages and kill white working class vote.

/pol/ -------->

Join the retard board. This is the adult board.

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>>6626627
>Wrong, I have never voted republican in my life care to strawman more?

Yeah right......

That's why we should vote for Republican Trump now right so he can invade and bomb Iran?

>>6626628
Man you're sure beating me to the ground with those convincing, well thought out arguments for your position. Nice job!

>>6626612
>Makes call to cops saying he is doing this for ISIS
>he didn't do it for ISIS
What?

>>6626624
>Yep you are retarded.

Literally two seconds on google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

So ask Golden Dawn what they think of you in 2016 and see what answer you get.

>>6626640
>he didn't do it for ISIS

He said he was member of ISIS cause he was a gay Muslim. He had no idea what ISIS was, he also said he was a member of Hezbollah. Hezbollah and ISIS are members Shia vs Sunni.

>>6626635
>Man you're sure beating me to the ground with those convincing, well thought out arguments for your position. Nice job!

You had no arguments. You had retarded /pol/ memes, not actual arguments.

>>6626643
What does Golden Dawn have with anything, though? Greece became irrelevant post Roman conquest and continues to be so.

Countries that will decide the future direction of Europe and how fucked Europe will get by the Muslims are France, Germany, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy maybe Austria if they actually elect first genuinely right wing government in Western Europe and dispel the boogeyman of far right nationalism being inherently bad.

>>6626631
I said I am voting for Johnson, I was saying that you should not vote for Hillary.
Trump is not a classic Neocon there is a reason the party practically shit itself when he won the primary.

>>6626619
>1934
which is when rohm was killed
rohm was like hitler's best friend. other nazi's didn't like gays, but hitler kept a lid on the homophobia for his friend. many of the sa were openly gay, and it was generally a gay friendly organisation. when rohm started proving a threat to hitler's leadership, hitler had him killed and went with himmler's reasoning that being homo was degenerate.
early nazi party was relatively gay friendly because hitler and rohm were buddies and then it stopped being gay friendly after the night of the long knives because hitler annihilated rohm, a threat, and claimed he was purging gays because himmler was right
nazis were reasonably non-homophobic until hitler lost his reason for suppressing the homophobic members of the nazi party
i can type it out in other phrasings if it will help you understand better

>>6626659
>maybe Austria if they actually elect first genuinely right wing government in Western Europe and dispel the boogeyman of far right nationalism being inherently bad.

Last time a far right wing took over in Europe, there was a wold war in the continent. You are the dumbest mother fucker on the plane if you think far right wing getting elected is good for anyone.

>>6626648
>He didn't know who ISIS is
I find this hard to believe, He was involved with radical imams and didn't know what they were? nah mate.

>>6626659
Because far-right Nationalism worked out so well for everybody the last time...right?

>>6626663
>but hitler kept a lid on the homophobia for his friend

Hitler also gassed faggots under his regime. Thousands were killed. Wow what a good friend! You act this way because you didn't live under his regime. If you were fag walking around Nazi Germany you were in the concentration camp.

>>6626669
>And far left Socialism has worked out great to.

>>6626665
>He was involved with radical imams and didn't know what they were? nah mate.

He clearly didn't if he also claimed to be a member of Hezbollah. How many Sunnis are members of Hezbollah and ISIS?

>>6626669
>>6626664
Reminder nobody gave a shit when Hitler was killing Jews, only reason anyone declared war on him is because he started invading other countries.

In other words - 1930s nationalists were expansionistic and imperialistic looking to conquer foreign territory and make it their own. 2010s nationalists, on the other hand, just want their own countries back and literally not one of them has ever said anything about invading other countries. All of their goals are internal and purely focused on their own countries.

>>6626683
I can't say honestly, he was a dumbass? Or they can get along long enough to hate the Jews and Israel?

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>>6626659
The most likely candidate is France, given the Front Nationale already had a fairly strong platform and France keeps getting attacked. Plus Marion Le Penn (Marie's niece) is making waves in the party and is the relatively qt and acceptable face of the young right wing French.
The Bastille Day attack, coupled with a priest getting beheaded in a church while some sisters were forced to watch, are both gigantic blows to French national identity in a way something like Charlie Hebdo wasn't. Probably the turning point.

>>6626643
That Hitler decided to get rid of Röhm and the others used that as a signal to pick the whole SA apart like vultures and have them all persecuted does not change the relatively accepting nature of the SA.
Nor does it change that the early nazi party (1920 - 1933) weren't ALL against homosexuality since the SA was part of that group.
And you can't have ALL be anti something when a relative large group disagrees.

That the nazis added homosexuals to the group of people who should be killed AFTER they decimated the SA has nothing to do with the SA's stance of homosexuality, which is what this was about.

>>6626669
Well clearly letting millions of Muslims in and forcibly silencing anyone that dared think that wasn't the best idea in the world worked out brilliantly! After all this is why Europe is on the verge of a fucking religious war. As a reminder the last time Europe actually had a religious war was in the fucking 17th century and that was the Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648)

>>6626699
>That the nazis added homosexuals to the group of people who should be killed AFTER

No because homosexuality was illegal in Germany even before Nazis took power and after their fall.

>>6626703
And again, Europe isn't America. Germany isn't The US. And the US isn't taking on millions of Muslims. So all of this is irrelevant.

>>6626676
Hitler gassed faggots after he lost he reason to stop suppressing homophobia. The whole point of this discussion is that the early Nazi party did not appear all that homophobic and so gays joined it, and then in 1934 became actively and virulently homophobic.
Nobody is saying that the Nazi party did not persecute gays. People are saying that the early Nazi party did not present itself as homophobic, as Hitler suppressed the homophobia for his gay friend who was the head of the SA.
This is very simple. Let me try this
>Nazi Party pre-1934
>Relatively gay friendly, gay people joined
>Nazi Party post-1934
>Actively against gays, shipped them to concentration camps

>>6626696
>The most likely candidate is France
Yeah, I agree. Because they were the winners of world war two and because they got invaded by the nazis instead of invading anyone themselves the French were spared the white/nationalist guilt of the post ww2 German generation so they're much more outspoken against Islamic terrorism.

I think Austria will be the first right wing country in Western Europe but France will be the most important one because it's literally one of three core countries of European Union (the others being Germany and the UK).

Also, with all the recent attacks I honestly don't know how Front National could possibly lose. She would have to be caught raping a pig or something to lose the elections at this point.

I like how this thread went from being about to US to being about Europe...

>>6626712
Homosexuality was illegal in Texas until 2003 but nobody was being shipped to concentration camps.
The point is that Weimar Germany was the most gay friendly society for hundreds of years and the early Nazi party was relatively chill with gay people and let an openly gay man head the SA, which contained openly gay people.

>>6626725
Probably because US politics are stale and corrupt and once you say it there is not much else to say.

>>6626727
>Homosexuality was illegal in Texas until 2003 but nobody was being shipped to concentration camps.

No you were just discriminated against and beaten up. Are you seriously arguing for returning to banning sodomy?

>>6626727
>those uniforms
>Not gay as aids

>>6626727
Also homosexuality remained illegal in Germany because the Nazi party took power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Germany

>However, in 1871, the year the federal German Empire was formed, Paragraph 175 of the new penal code recriminalized homosexual acts. The law was extended under Nazi rule, and convictions multiplied by a factor of ten to about 8,000 per year. Penalties were severe, and 5,000 – 15,000 suspected offenders were interned in concentration camps, where most of them died.

>>6626712
>No because homosexuality was illegal in Germany even before Nazis took power and after their fall.
Like practically everywhere else on the planet except maybe the Netherlands.

Point was (and has always been) that saying "you can be gay and retarded since there were gay SA members" when it was that same SA that was known for being less strict on homosexuality and had a gay leader is stupid.

had it been "you can be gay and retarded since there were gay nazis" it would have been far more legit and far less retarded.
THAT is what this whole shit is about.

>>6626715
They were clashing with Muslims on a state wide level because schoolgirls wanted to wear hijabs, which clashed with the French republic's commitment to laïcité in schools, a tradition dating back to Napoleon. France also banned face coverings in public places in part to stop people wearing burqas and niqabs, and a lot of high ranking non-FN politicians defended Switzlerand's ban on minarets.
I think Monsieur Blanc-Cassis will have his day in the sun soon.

>>6626758
>THAT is what this whole shit is about.

The point I was getting at is Nazism as a whole ideology is opposes to legal sodomy among homosexuals and actively worked as a whole to persecute them. A few closet cases in the Nazi party doesn't mean shit. There are "openly gay" members of ISIS. I have links that back this up. Their ideology as a whole is anti-gay.

>>6626731
84% of gay men's issues would be solved if anal sex was given up. if i have to repair one more god damn prolapse.........

>>6626725
Now you know what it's like when yanks try to make every conversation about themselves.

>>6626768
?
Do go on....

>>6626768
>84% of gay men's issues would be solved if anal sex was given up.

Or we could adopt single payer healthcare so I can keep engaging it it. You can't expect me to give up such pleasure.

>>6626769
Seriously, every time on every news site Americans always make it about fucking America even from completely unrelated stories and comments. Feels good to do it to them for a change.

>>6626769
>Now you know what it's like when yanks try to make every conversation about themselves.

Stop trying to hijack our thread Europoor.

>>6626778
No one does, but pay for your own fun. I'm not out getting my ass destroyed why should I pay for your ass?

>>6626731
Sodomy was illegal in Texas and some other states until 2003. The reason it was overturned was because a Texan who was being tried for the crime of having anal sex with his boyfriend managed to get a SCOTUS hearing about it being unconstitutional.
You seem to be very stupid, so let me break it down for you:
>Weimar Germany was basically the most gay friendly society at the time
>Thus the points about the EARLY PRE 1934 PURGE Nazi party not being homophobic hold up
>This is not to say homosexuality was not illegal before or after the Nazi party, but that the EARLY PRE 1934 NAZI PARTY was not actively homophobic in the way that POST 1934 NAZI PARTY was, which involved sending gays to concentration camps
Like, I think your parents need to sign you up for remedial reading classes in your special needs school as clearly your reading comprehension is very poor

>>6626769
I am guessing you are a bong?
I love reading your news, wish I could get to a Chelsea game.

>>6626790
See>>6626765

>>6626787
because a country with as much money as america should not have people suffering from and dying of easily treatable diseases because those people are to poor to afford treatment
of course, you're probably pro-freedom, including the freedom of poor people to die because they're poor
sidenote: properly performed anal sex does not cause prolapse nor does it increase the risk of incontinence according to every clinical review and scientific study ever since that incredibly flawed one in 1991 by the christian science association

>>6626787
>I'm not out getting my ass destroyed why should I pay for your ass?

Because people are going to get sick and go to the emergency room regardless.

As long as you aren't promiscuous and practice safe sex with condoms you should be ok.

>not wanting to get railed by big black cocks on your tiny lilly white asshole.

>>6626804
>>6626817

I don't have a problem with anal sex, not a fan of the bbc though I prefer some average dick that does not ruin my ass. But yeah I don't think that someone suffering gives them a claim on the work and services of others. Freedom does not make a claim on another it simply means that others cannot make unjust, unearned claims on you or others. The exact opposite of what you are talking about. So in short yes you have the right to starve to death or die do to lack of care.

>>6626827
>the right to starve to death or die do to lack of care.

Wow you are a great human being. So if I was at your house you won't do shit to help me out. What a great guy you are asshole.

>>6626827
>So in short yes you have the right to starve to death or die do to lack of care.
you're a bad person

>>6626804
This.

>>6626804
"properly performed"

you see, the problem with studies like that is anyone that gets a prolapse didn't "perform properly". therefore it's easy to say that when performed properly, there's no prolapse. get it?

>>6626765
>Nazi ideology
>ISIS
ISIS lifted its ideals directly from the Quran, Hadiths and whatever book Muhammad dictated for everyday life and has been consistent over the years.

Nazism only got its "defined" form when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while serving prison time.

So comparing a group that from birth has been clearly and openly against homosexuality with a group that developed its anti homosexual stance over time, and using a few fringe cases of the former with a pretty active gay society of the latter and saying they're the same, is fundamentally flawed.

Had the nazi party been openly homophobic in its ideals from the beginning instead of another dime in a dozen labour party, you'd have a point.
Now you're just comparing apples and oranges.

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>>6626856
properly performed means lube + you didn't jackhammer it in dumbass
obviously if some guy rams it up your butt dry with no warning it'll mess you up
anyway, here's some stuff from the 2016 republican platform

>>6624283
No, it just means that he doesn't care about gays directly.

Tbh, I have no doubts that if hating gays was the cool thing to do, he'd at most stay quiet about it. He doesn't seem to be anti-gay himself, but he's not really pro-gay either. Then again, he's a businessman, maybe he just doesn't want to get his hands dirty for 2% of the population.

Either way, it's fair to say that he'll not be fucking us over in the present circumstances, and his stance on immigration is a huge plus to us, since uncivilized savages are what kills us.

>>6624807
Bring a few million in and in fifty years that number increases ten times. And that's if you stopped letting even more of them in. And let's not forget how non-muslims aren't really #1 at reproducing.

You're kind of right, though. No matter what happens, they'll not really "take over" in any of our lifetimes. Still, getting a higher %Muslim in your own town will make it extremely unsafe for you.

Memes aside, someone has some serious psychological issues if he or she would actually prefer Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.

This isn't some kind of fun Internet game. Many innocent people will be hurt under Trump's presidency.

>>6628039
Really though.

All this rationalization and Trumpmath is just stupid.
He has worked with and employed tons of lgbt people. And imho probably has nothing personal against us, but he has always been an opponent of gay marriage.

And his plans on muslims will only make the situation more unmanageable by removing moral authority and alienating our muslim allies. So no, he's not a safer candidate for isis he knows nothing about national security.

His VP is the poster boy of modern lgbt hate legislation. Yeah, he invited a gay guy to speak at his convention. Dems have been doing that for years. This year they even have a trans speaker.

>>6623079
You are the only type of person I hate. Use your fucking vote before you lose the priviledge to.

>>6613536
Because a vote for anything else is a vote for THIS

https://prod-static-ngop-pbl.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf

>That same provision of law is now being used by bureaucrats — and by the current President of the United States — to impose a social and cultural revolution upon the American people by wrongly redefining sex discrimination to include sexual orientation or other categories.

> that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights

>>6629546
you know your vote in California or Texas or New York doesn't matter, right? Those states might as well be already decided before the election

just vote third party, at least then you'd be doing something good (potential federal funding for next election)

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>>6613536
>am old
>am rich
>am bored
Dot dot dot Trump in a nutshell.

>am woman
>am old
>have high expectations placed on me
>have followed the only decent president since 150 years.
Dot dot Hillary in a nutshell.

If you have been a selfish moneygrabbing and a traitorous cunt (made in choienea) for all of your life, why would you suddenly want to help the idiots you tricked? Hes doing this for power/achievement, not to help any American.

Seriously - REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. How the fuck do you elect the boogeyman to represent you ANYWHERE? A billionaire who has betrayed his country for money, and has more money than countless of people in said country WHO NEED HELP. HOW the FUCK could he represent Americans and America.
Your fucking nemesis has enlarged a comment made by Trump (that Trump would attempt to 'rebuild' relations with Russia) so that if hes elected the US will have to bend a little farther if they dont want to be called a liar.

Fucking betas should not be given votes, holy fuck. HIS WIFE ISNT EVEN AMERICAN HAHAHAHA. FIRST LADY WILL BE FOREIGN HAHAHAHA

>>6629546
Even if its third party, anon?

>>6629753
As a naturalized citizen, fuck you, you xenophobic piece of shit.

>>6629767
Ok Trump, where will you next shipment of clothe- wives be sent from?; made in America isnt worth it desu. Worthless people these idiots - willing to hate civilians from their neighbouring country because a loud man says so.

No wonder he chose some hot non-americans to fuck for kids. Ugh. Disgusting people these Americans.

Also, REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. Explain how a non American family can represent EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY you vapid cunt. Shove your xenophobia up your ass; its your heros campaign that is based on fear mongering of other races and cultures, not mine.

>>6629546
>implying the next president hasn't already been decided
>implying your vote for the electoral collage representative who doesn't even have to vote for your candidate matters
>implying your vote matters unless it's in a swing state
>implying you have a real option of who to vote for that isn't part of the retarded two-party system that's run by the same people
>implying educating yourself about the issues gives you any sort of voice that isn't immediately canceled out by some guy who just votes the party lines

Keep "changing the world" with your "privilege" I guess

>>6619199
>wants to ban the influx of muslims who want to behead and murder gays
This. Unless you hate gay people because Allah told you to, why would you vote for anyone but Trump?

>>6626484
>and Mike Pence HATES gay people.
Wow I'm so afraid what's he going to do, tell me I get to keep living but can't get married? Yes please!

>>6626392
Somalia has a government, but it's a failed state. And 100% taxation is pretty silly, just because something's positive doesn't mean taking it to extremes will still be positive. That's like hearing someone say you need water to survive, and respond with "If water's so healthy, why don't you shove a firehose down your throat and turn it on full blast", like that's any kind of refutation.

>>6626451
>As to the background checks and other shit there is a way to do this. It's called a constitutional convention until you change 2A, go fuck yourself.
The 2A doesn't explicitly forbid background checks. It does say "shall not be infringed", however it's not specified what that actually means in practical terms. It's open to interpretation.

>>6626468
They're not real options though. Voting for them is basically voting for the worse of two evils, because each vote for them is one less vote for the lesser of two evils.

>>6626499
>Dems where fascist from the start. And didnt try to hide it.
Fascism didn't even exist yet when the democratic party was formed. Fascism doesn't mean "big government".

>>6626603
You're literally disproving your own point. That doesn't show that the media is liberal, rather it shows that both liberal and conservative media are anti-Trump.

>>6626677
Moderate left socialism has worked decently.

>>6626688
So you're saying that because nobody at the time cared that Hitler was killing Jews, it's okay if European far-right nationalists start another Holocaust as long as they keep it to their own country?

>>6626827
>Freedom does not make a claim on another it simply means that others cannot make unjust, unearned claims on you or others.
The problem is that the matter of "who is making the claim" isn't always a clear matter in real life. For example, if you give a bridge builder the freedom to do sloppy work, you're depriving others of the freedom to travel safely.

>>6616223
Voting for someone against what you stand for is also throwing your vote away.

>>6631867
>So you're saying that because nobody at the time cared that Hitler was killing Jews, it's okay if European far-right nationalists start another Holocaust as long as they keep it to their own country?
At this point? Yes. Though not another holocaust but another Exodus. Gather up all the Muslims and throw them the fuck out and send them to the Middle East. They clearly miss it because they keep trying to make Europe exactly like the Middle East so really we'd be doing them a favor.

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Hillary Clinton caused ISIS by feuling the Arab Spring. As president she will continue the many wars in the middle east either through proxy war, like in Yemen and Libya, or through direct invasion in Syria. Trump is obviously a fuckhead but Clinton is a secret fuckhead. Vote third party or not at all!

>>6632272
Exodus was the side in the right leaving the side in the wrong though.

>>6632339
Which candidate is for me if I want any troublesome Middle Eastern country invaded and occupied indefinitely?

>>6626287
>The GOP platform is the most anti-LGBT in us history.
Are you retarded? Are you actually retarded? It's not even the most anti-LGBT GOP platform in the last fifteen years, you cretin.

>>6632365
Hillary Clinton will keep the wars in the Middle East going indefinitely, she's your gal.

>>6631867
> Voting for them is basically voting for the worse of two evils, because each vote for them is one less vote for the lesser of two evils.

not true in a non-swing state

because Hillary wins California anyway, voting for Trump OR Hillary is a wasted vote, you'll never swing California with that vote

Might as well give Gary Johnson 5% (your vote actually matters to give federal funding for next election)

>>6634902
>Hillary Clinton will keep the wars in the Middle East going indefinitely,

So will Trump so why does that matter. CIA runs our foreign policy.

>>6634915
CA has run off voting. Only Hillary and Trump are the only two candidates on the ballot.

>>6628039
>Many innocent people will be hurt under Trump's presidency.

Trump, memes aside, would invade Iran as president.

Hillary won't because Obama signed the Iran deal, which she helped push though.

Trump is actually insane.

>>6613536
Trump hates gays at least as much as Hillary and is also very clearly a violent psychopath. You should never trust a psychopath, and you definitely shouldn't give them control of the US military and nuclear arsenal.

>>6623010
>believing Trump's promises
>forgetting that Trump changes his policies daily to suit his needs
>trusting a psychopath

>>6635674
>>6635527

hahahahahahahahahahaha
wow, just wow.

Trump only wants power and as a President would generally delegate to his vp, who is virulently homophobic. Read the Republican platform. You're voting to be represented by the Republican party so you should probably know what the Republican party's official platform is, and protip: it's not pro-gay

What with the leaked emails and the way Hillary keeps bumping off anyone who possesses incriminating evidence against her, I think Trump has this election in the bag.

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>>6636397
>I think Trump has this election in the bag.

Yeah except that's not even remotely true when Latinos are overwhelming against him.

>>6636631
The biggest voting category is white people with no higher education. If you remove that category of votes, then there's basically only 9 red states
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/
As long as non college educated white people turn out en masse in this election, which they probably will, he's won.

>>6626696
>Le Pen
>likely to win
She has 4 seats total in the senate and national assembly and will not break 30% in the presidentials, you're delusional.

>>6636654
>The biggest voting category is white people with no higher education.
That's been a shrinking group as more and more white people finish their GED and they are less likely to go GOP.

>I don't know the name of the green or libertarian candidates because I'm too lazy to even register to vote, nevertheless actually give a shit about politics but that's ok because i'm young and no one else my age does either

>>6636654
>The biggest voting category is white people with no higher education.
And this makes up only 20% of the voting population, as shown by the same blog that you cite: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/only-20-percent-of-voters-are-real-americans/

>>6626372
>everyone who isn't a straight white male should be in jail
When will sjws stop spouting this nonsense rhetoric?

>>6635687
>implying Hillary isn't also a psychpath

>>6623010
kys nig

>>6642289
Don't you want to feel the Johnson?

>>6636631
Yup. The only reason this is really a race at all is that Hillary is the second most hated presidential hopeful in recent American history (for both good and bad reasons, so yeah).

>>6643675
But Trump is the first most hated.

>>6644228
Oh, yeah.

It's not that he's the most hated that's surprising, but that they pit him against his only real competitor. Or possibly it's the other way around?

>>6613536
Cuz she has like 6 different detailed strategies for bettering the lives of LGBT people around the world

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/12/17/fighting-for-full-equality/