/ftmg/ FTM General - Fresh Thread Smell

who needs a bf, I can get baked and watch kids in the hall by myself..don't need any boy making my life any gayer than it already is

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>>6370310

I sense salt

>>6370329
nah no salt, more of a joke.

I'm pretty happy being single..although I do have a guy I hang out with who i sometimes end up cuddling with in a platonic sorta way, life's good

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>>6370372

Fair enough. Don't you ever feel in need of giving or taking a dicking though?

>>6370537
Occasionally, but that's an easy fix.

Generally I'm pretty cool with just havin a warm body to hold onto every once in awhile.

I was planning on going to the Pulse with some friends for my 21st birthday in two weeks... now probably not. Just thankful that nobody I know died, at least that I think.

Also fuck Rick Scott that fucking reptilian bastard. He's out here smiling and talking about he's doing everything to "support" the lgbt community when he just signed a bill like a week ago that lets churches deny gay people from getting married.

>>6370604
What a two faced cunt, the south is rife with people pullin that shit.

I'm glad you and your friends are safe though anon.

>>6370537
>>6370589

not to mention there's not alot of people in my area I'd really want to stick anything near

and my standards are pretty low if that says anything.

>>6370589
>>6370725

Fairs

Even so...

>>6371008
It's penis inspection day, SWG
post benis

>>6371024

I've already posted penis once today. My quota has been filled, but you are welcome to file a new request at some point in the future

>>6370243
>Why don't you have a bf yet, boys?
I'd rather have a gf (I love u tho SWG)

>>6370243
>excuse the tumblr, it's truscum
what

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>>6371131

Not when I'm done with you

>mfw

>>6371167

It's not retarded Tumblr fuckery, it's based on medical fact.

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>>6370243
>When SWG takes charge and makes our general for us

d-daddy

>>6371008
Come ere we can cuddle it out ( ^ :

>>6371184

Well considering what it turned into with the MtFs there I figured we'd have to steer away from it.

>>6371188

>cuddle

I want dinner and you only offer me HORDERVES

>tfw I post M4T as a top looking for a sub and every reply is a dude with a pussy

>>6371330
breaking news, ftms are horny bastards

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>DS1 is on sale

>>6371241
if I'm gonna be real with you I haven't done anything with a guy since I was 15 (which was 6 almost 7 years ago) so.. you might just want to stick to a light appetizer fampai

>>6371388

Let's play together

>>6371399

I'll have a lot of appetiser, then.

>>6371402
Check back when I git gud. It'll be a trial by fire to stop me being shit at video games.

>>6371451

I'm shit too, we can be shit together through jolly co-operation!

>>6371416
sounds like a plan, that'd actually be ideal right now, I'm cold as fuck and using someone as a human blanket / heat generator sounds like a good idea.

>>6371468

Not to toot my own trumpet, but I stay VERY fucking warm at night. Thank you ancestors for natural selecting yourself for cold climates.

>>6371476
then come here and lay on me dude.
let me steal your warmth.

>>6367489
Not even straight but I've had a crush on Mitsuru since I first played P3

>>6371626
good boy
not straight either
biscum

>>6371674
Even if I am only attracted to 2d girls?

>>6371511

Name a price

Does anyone else have problems with crushing on straight guys? It makes me feel like shit.

On that note, have any of you hooked up with a gay guy? How did he react when he found out when you were trans? Do any of you use Grindr?

I don't have a bf because I'm caught in an eternal loop of 'not fucking worth it' and spaghetti desu. Not sure if it means I need my shit in better order or if I need to just get out more.

Apparently I poll really well with the ladies though? Don't really want a girlfriend either tho.

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>>6370243
I do have a bf.
We lift and play games together.

>>6372935
crushing on straight guys is the worst but it's just part of being gay, it happens to everyone and the best way to stop it from happening is just to hang out with more gay/bi guys. it just decreases your chances of crushing on someone unavailable.

i've hooked up with gay men, though i disclose on all of my profiles everywhere that i'm trans so they know before we even exchange messages. i don't use grindr because the guys on grindr are trash but i do use scruff. haven't hooked up with anyone on there yet though.

i am post-top and totally stealth though so my situation might be different from most other gay ftms here.

>>6372935
i crush on SWG

I wish I had the courage to hook up with a cis guy. I'm kind of chubby and haven't had surgery yet so I'm nervous no one would ever be interested in me.

>>6371330
Just specify that you're looking for a chick with a dick next time.

So this might be a weird question, but, I'll shoot anyway. Is anyone else here bipolar and on meds? I'm on lithium and seroquel, could that in any way interfere with T?

>>6372935
I don't know what's worse, crushing on a straight guy or crushing on a straight girl who will only accept cis guys. I don't know the first feel but the second one is definitely painful.
How do you get over it ;_;

>>6375429
fuck her she is a fucking piece of shit. Let her destroy her fucking life. Let her go and fuck as many married men and scumbags as she wants. she'll never be happy. they don't love her they just want a cheap fucking fuck and she'll loathe herself and one day she will realise that no one loves her like you, no one cares about her like you and she's been a stupid, narrow-minded, self-destructive bitch for repressing her fucking feelings for you for so long. But by then? Too late. You've become stronger, hotter, and you've learned the virtue of patience and found someone prettier and not a stuck up bitch and you're happy and she watches on and it's her turn to be hurt. her turn to want to die. her turn to feel like a failure, like she's not worthy of anyone's love. And she'll deserve it because she knew she had feelings for you all along and she even told you (only when drunk, of course) and she's the world's biggest cunt for fucking with your heart like that and being so hung up on a fucking Y-chromosome. Fuck you, you pathetic little whore.

Or something like that...idk, i'm just speculating 2bh.

>>6375429
Frankly, having experienced both, I'd say the straight girl one is more painful
It makes you feel less like a man
whereas if you crush on a straight dude it's justifiable because tons of gay/bi men get infatuated with straight guys

>>6372819
ugh.. 20 bucks and my gratitude? it's about all I got

>>6375599
Haha, I don't think that badly of her. Actually she's a virgin and she's told me she wants no relationships at all, but she also said she'd like to have a family one day (and at the same time she's really "normative") so that made me refrain from making any serious confessions.

I should probably confess the feelings to her just so I get a clear rejection and can get over it, but being trans makes it more difficult. I feel like I'm conceited for even wanting to confess to her and having delusions of 1% chance she wouldn't reject me, which comes from us being close friends (if I was a normal guy, I'd think I have fine chances from the way she treats me, actually). Confessions seem embarrassing as fuck by themselves, but I'm even more embarrassed because I'm afraid of people judging me for even thinking anyone could be attracted to somebody like me. It's pretty irrational because she's not a type to judge and I could explain myself, but still.
>>6375646
True, but well, it is true we can't impregnate girls, for example, so we're "less of men". I'm pretty sure cis infertile men feel the same way about that, even though otherwise they have normal dicks etc.

>>6375259
No you retard, it's just male hormones. Tons of old cis dudes on T cream take shit like that all the time, just google that jesus christ

>>6374202

But I crush on you

>>6375658

The gratitude will do, but my bed

>>6375826
Yourstory soundsfamiliar...you posted here before? She the Christian girl?

>>6376003
how comfy is your bed? I've been crashing on the couch/floor at my parents house during break, an actual mattress would be nice.

>>6376025

It's comfy as fuck, man

mfw SWG turned is now a permament ftmg attentionwhore
mfw SWG is taking control

>>6376035
>comfy bed
>willing to keep me warm in a PG way

that's a pretty sweet deal.

>>6376060

I am the holy Monarch

>>6376066

Let's make it rated 15.

>>6376083
>Rated 15

So no sex, minimal nudity and a high possibility of blood and drugs, got it.

>>6376060
I'll allow it.

Meanwhile, when was the last time we heard from Brooklyn?

I know it was the topic of the last tread, but how many of you guys are legit interested in pursuing relationships with trans women?

>>6376093
He's going through some shit, no worries still alive

>>6376093
idk like two threads ago?
I'm kinda worried about him, I hope he's doin alright.

>>6376091

15 is more of one or the other.

So unless you got drugs...

>>6376009
Yup yup, I posted here some time ago about the same thing.
>tfw the situation is still pretty much the same
To be honest I'm preparing to confess properly, gonna do it in July before I take a vacation from work (a short break in hanging out will be good after a rejection)... unless we end up going to vacation together, then I dunno when will be a good moment. We casually made some plans to go in two but I doubt she'll be able to afford it because she always runs out of money before the next paycheck. heh

>>6376137
all i got is pot and valium.. we can go down that route if you're end goal is to get really tired.

>>6376158

It WILL help with comfy cuddles desu fampai

>>6376166
true, some of my fondest memories involve smoking and crashing with a qt for a couple hours.

would spend my entire life doing that if I could

>>6376184

Excellent when are you getting here

>>6376095
not actively but I wouldn'truleit out. If I met a nice transgirl then so be it.
>>6376156
Make sure you do get round to telling her. I mean your situation is obviously a world different from my own, so you're probably not going to feel bitter like I did, but, trust me, it's good to get it said.

>>6376189
my heart is willing but the funds are empty man )^:

>>6376225

Fuck funds, you promised me cuddles

>>6376095
I was in a relationship with a transgirl that ended (on friendly terms) a few months ago, she was a great girlfriend so I'd totally do it again.

>>6376229
I can smuggle myself over in a crate then, i'm too broke for any other form of oversea transportation currently.

>>6376095
I'd say it this way: if somebody I'm attracted to turned out to be a trans girl, I wouldn't mind at all. Perhaps I'd be even more interested because we'd understand each other well as far as dysphoria and other trans stuff goes, I guess

>>6376247

That'll work. Your back will probably be spasming at the end of it from shitty posture in that box, so I'll give you a massage too

>>6376266
my postures pretty bad already so it might not be too unusual for me, but i'll definitely take a free back rub since you're offering.

>>6376289

I'll click your back too in that case, if your posture a shit that needs fixing.

>>6376305
That'd be nice actually,
labs and work more or less ruined my posture t b h

>/pol/ is still here and running amok all over the board

It was nice while it lasted but this is our Elliot/Bane/Olympics

R.I.P. /lgbt/

>>6376386
why do you think most of us just stay in here and sage the fuck out of our posts

>>6376393
/pol/ was in here last night too and they'll be back

>>6376330

Come on then, son. Come to the pearly white British shores

>>6376404

The thing about /pol/ invasions into /lgbt/ is that more often than not they end up getting a bf or an MtF gf.

>>6376404
eh i was either watching e3, playing video games, or was asleep. easily avoided.

>>6376422
Will do man, a comfy bed and better posture is on the horizon for me.

>>6376476

Sail the seven seas are arrive ye switly to my bed, but be forewarned says I for the X marks a spot, but it be a spot ye may wish ye never digged.

>>6376404
I must've missed that, I don't really pay attention to /pol/ posts, and if it really gets out of hand I just go watch tv or scroll through /mu/ instead.

>>6376483
sounds kinda gay, I'm down.

>>6376483
What if he digs in the * instead?

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>>6376498

It's very gay

>>6376545

Then the Cracken he awaken in the booty be the one who send him to Davey Jones

>>6376556

The Cracken will be awakened, for my own serpent is to not be disturbed within my own seas.

You're gonna catch the gay m8

>>6376595
already infected imo

>>6376595
>>6376598

Avast, ye scurvy dogs!

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>>6376598
his level of homo is shrouded in so much mystery even Robert Stack can't unravel it.

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>>6376628

This post gave me a raging clue t b h

>>6376638
I'll give you more than just a clue buddy

>>6376657

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYt0WbDjJ4E

>>6376658
never leave us SWG
you're the best not gay (...but maybe) we got.

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>>6376679

>>6376099
As long as he's ok. He was a little annoying but in a "little brother" or "has feelings" kind of way. I miss him.

The way DS1 works on PC sickens me. Barely stepped out of the cell and I'm close to quitting.

Is it common for ftms to enjoy using strap ons?

>>6376847
yes

feels good (as long as you get one that kind of lines up with your junk) and you get to have some of the Dick Experience

only a downer if it sets off your dysphoria by feeling too non-real

>>6376847
it depends on the person

but generally, yeah.

>>6376860
>>6376863
Have you ever fucked a girl with a strap on before?

If so tell me about what your first time doing that was like.

>>6376860
>as long as you get one that kind of lines up with your junk
Post recs? For science...

>>6377192
ones designed to be used with double dildos/strapless strapons are usually better because the o-ring is a bit lower down than the traditional placement on the mons

for example http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=29184

>>6377215
actually my favourite was the rodeoh duo (two o-rings for double the fun) but they seem to be discontinued

which is annoying, since my old pair are somewhere in my ex's flat, ie unobtainable

>>6377224
The ex tax, what a shame.

So the other end of the strap on goes i-inside you...

How incredibly lewd. I never realized that before.

I met a really nice guy and we clicked really well but he just recently told me he's ftm and idk what to do guys I need help. I'm gay, its not like i find vaginas disgusting but i have 0 % attraction to them. I feel like a huge piece of shit, I know sex isn't everything but I've never been in this kind of situation before.

This probably isn't the right place to blogpost/ask advice at but I wasn't sure where else to go.

>>6377469
You're not obligated to have sex with anybody, let alone somebody who isn't the sex you're attracted to.

>>6377469
Just because they've got a vagina doesn't necessarily mean they want to use it desu.

>>6377482
Well he's a guy and very cute and charming.

>>6377483
This is information I did not know.

>>6377489
Do you know if they're top/bottom? They might only like giving? Try to ask in a way that doesn't come across as an interrogation and I'm sure you will be satisfied.

>>6377489
He may be a "guy" but he's still a biological female. I don't think anybody would tell you to have sex with someone that you don't want to have sex with.

>>6377502
Im not certain, ill have to see if i can think of some way to suss out some more information.

>>6377504
Yeah I know but id still feel awful.

>>6377529
You would also only be having sex with them out of guilt. You don't need to do people any favors by having sex with them if you don't want to.

>>6377469
If you can't imagine yourself getting into sexual situations with him than it's probably not going to be a good relationship.... but also don't fool yourself into thinking the only sexual thing you can do is benis in bagina.

There are lots of other things to do like mutual touching, oral, anal, and he can also use a strap on to dick you back. No one's saying that you have to go spelunking, but if you can't be bothered to touch his clit and pleasure him with some fingers then you really shouldn't be in a relationship with him.

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>>6377504
>"guy"

I don't disagree with the rest of your post though.

>>6377489
>This is information I did not know.

I think it's more likely than not that your average ftm is not up for front penetration.

>>6376095
I'd love to be with a trans girl desu
They cuties

>>6377560
Sorry, I don't subscribe to post-modern nonsense definitions. Testosterone and men's clothing doesn't make us actual males. It's hardly an unreasonable thing to say.

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>/lgbt/catalog

The weather's looking worse than ever.

>>6377469
Basically I can pretty much say what everyone else is saying. You're not obligated to be with him, ect, but if you still wanna persue him now is the time to ask him about sex, whether he wants to use his V or not, if he wears strap-ons, ect.

>>6377548
Mmm, I see your point, I don't know that id feel guilted into it though, if i did it it'd be cause i wanted to.

>>6377552
>but if you can't be bothered to touch his clit and pleasure him with some fingers then you really shouldn't be in a relationship with him.
I guess this is pretty to the point, like i said its not like i find em gross, I'm just not attracted.. But hey I wasn't attracted to feet either but I still ended up with a foot guy once..

I suppose I'll just go with the flow for now, not really at the stage where we have to worry about it at the moment either.

>>6377560
>I think it's more likely than not that your average ftm is not up for front penetration.
I see, I guess I'd never really put any thought into the situation, makes sense.


>>6377601
So I should just be upfront that I don't fully understand the whole situation RN rather than beat around the bush? I wasn't sure if just jumping in on that stuff is considered rude.

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>>6376095
I want a stoner mtfgf
i can't relax around cis grills, they're unrelatable and usually fat too

>>6377586
i'm hiding on /ftmgen/ for the next week or so

>>6377637
You just described me!

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>>6377618
It sounds like you should give it a try. I have the opinion that if anyone has good enough chemistry you can be attracted to them even if you don't normally like girls/guys. Nothing is black and white and neither is sexual attraction. Just be clear about it and tell him when you're about to get down and dirty that you're not sure if the two of you are sexually compatable, but you're willing to try.

Hell, maybe he won't even want to date you if you're not sure and only wants someone who would love his body unconditionally.

>>6377586
easy to ignore, I only get on lgbt's catalog to check for the new ftmg thread, it's kinda always a shitfest pol or not t b h

>>6377761
Sexual attraction is black and white for some people.

>>6377637
same here man..
stoner mtfgf or dude bro bf all the way

the only cis girls I hang out with are lesbians so i got 0 chances in my friend pool snaggin a cis gf anyhow.

>>6377618
>So I should just be upfront that I don't fully understand the whole situation RN rather than beat around the bush? I wasn't sure if just jumping in on that stuff is considered rude.

Pretty much. I'd rather have someone tell me that they don't fully understand and want to know more about how sex with me would work than to beat around the bush and be vague about it

>>6377772
Nah that's bs. There's always grey. Someone might live their life only ever attracted to one sex because they never met their exception but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>6377939
>I have no sexual preferences so nobody else does either, even if they think they do they're wrong and I'm right because ______

>>6377950
>>6377950
Now you're just making shit up

bad bait and saged appropriately

>>6377969
>Sexual attraction is black and white for some people

>nah that's bs

>even if they think they do they're wrong

>Now you're just making shit up

>>6377354
It depends, man. The one's that go inside you are hard to use and sometimes uncomfortable, but other one's don't do anything

>>6377637
I'm having a hard time finding someone who isn't a stoner.

>>6378354
I'm not a stoner

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I saw a radfem post that lesbians can be attracted to post-op trans men kmn

>>6378365
I don't think you'll see a radfem saying "a female with a penis can be a lesbian"

>>6378377
That's literally what the post says. They say that post-op trans men are on the table but post-op trans women are off. They get off to XX chromosomes.

>>6378365
Golden medal in mental gymnastics

>>6378418
My point is that if a person isn't following radfem ideology, it doesn't make much sense to consider them a radfem even if they say they are.

What this person is saying is not that big of a deal. They're basically saying if a lesbian is attracted to a post-op ftm, but turned off by their dick, they're still a lesbian. I doubt she's including ftms that are bear mode in that, just ones that otherwise look like butch women.

>>6378445
That's like saying a lesbian can be attracted to a cis twink

Hey /ftmgen/, I'm newly accepting my transness. It's a big pill to swallow, but that's alright. It's not like I haven't been acting masculine since the dawn of time anyway.

I have two questions for you guys:
>Did your sexuality change when you started conceptualizing yourself as a guy?
Or, in other words, I've had trouble being a girl in relationships with guys -- did anyone else have this, and did that change after transition?
>How did you find a group of gay/trans friends?
I have two friend groups, actually, but one is full of losers, and the other with SJWs who correct me on my "cissexism." I'd like a group of relatively normal, lgbt people, is that too much to ask?

>>6378505
If a guy is attracted to a "trap"'s face, but wouldn't have sex with them because the trap has a penis, does that make that guy gay?

>>6378564
>Did your sexuality change when you started conceptualizing yourself as a guy?
I was heteroflexible/repressed bisexual as a girl and now I'm pretty much a straight man. I wish someone had told me that would happen because I started trying to integrate into gay culture before things started changing on me lol.

>How did you find a group of gay/trans friends?
Naturally gravitated towards other queer people. We all slowly came out of the closet. Even my friends from 6th grade turned out trans and ace.

>I'd like a group of relatively normal, lgbt people, is that too much to ask?
Right now, yes. There are plenty of centrist or old-school leftists but they mostly exclude trans people, unfortunately. Just stick with the SJWs on the more sane side.

>>6378564
I always felt weird in relationships before I knew I was trans, I originally thought I was just gay because of how uncomfortable I was with doing pretty much anything when i got my first boyfriend

got my first girlfriend..weird uncomfortable feelings didn't stop.

which lead me to realizing I always felt that way even outside of situations where things were sexual / romantic etc.

After I came out it actually got less weird 'cause i atleast knew what was going on and knew why i felt like i did.

>how did you find a group of gay/trans friends
i had quite a few before I came out, and made a few along the way just naturally

>I'd like a group of relatively normal, lgbt people, is that too much to ask?
Not really, if you go to college check to see if there's an lgbt oriented something there, there's gonna be some crazy ones but I've met some pretty chill people doin that.

>>6378576
No. Secondary sex characteristics go a long way.

The equivalent to a "lesbian" attracted to a post-transition trans man is a "gay" man attracted to a post-transition trans woman. Neither seems to make much sense because the person they're attracted to is pretty much completely the opposite sex.

>>6378674
If that post transition trans woman still has masculine facial features and build, it doesn't make sense for a gay man to be attracted to them?

>>6378706
That could possibly be a gray area. But realistically, that doesn't happen for trans men because testosterone is so much stronger and causes pronounced masculine features. Especially by the time he's fulfilled the required time length for being on hormones to get SRS.

>>6378564
1. I repressed being attracted to girls because they reminded me of myself, but I'm long enough along the way that they don't. I still prefer guys though
2. Try animefags, I have 3 friends as a group, two are bisexual and one is a lesbian. Animefags seem to tend to have mixed sexualities

>>6378365
That posting makes a lot more sense when you assume that "a female with a penis" means a trans woman.

>>6378564
i was always happily bisexual (more leaning on the gay side after going on t though) and with any of that sort of discomfort i just repressed it and pretended it wasn't there. a lot better now that i can express myself authentically

i found my homo friends by working in a wholefoods, so feel free to wander around things with a vaguely liberal bent. high chance of gays

>>6378926
It doesn't. It means a trans man.

>>6376099

is he ok?

>>6378365
That post is about pre-op mtfs, not ftms fampai

>>6379007
Why?

Cite your sources.

>>6379089
>>6379093
The blog I found it reblogged to was lesbianprotection.tumblr.com and she's a "lesbian" dating a trans man and also a TERF.

Who would have thought I'd ever grow my hair long again? I'm shaving the sides though, I'm hot enough to pull it off and not look like a girl

>finally grew enough facial hair for neckbeard/chinstrap
>it's gross
>passing 100% as male and as an adult
>tfw proud
>applying for jobs
>need to shave
>look in mirror
>tfw I'm 12
WHAT HAVE I DONE

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>>6379342
>>6379366
Post pics

All of you ftms please post pics. You guys never do but I'm curious!

>>6379476
ugh.. i'd rather keep my shame to myself thanks.

>>6379366

Post beard.

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>>6379514
Please?

>>6379609
Maybe you should first

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>>6379476
i've got a little neckbeard 'goin

also dudeweedlmao

>>6379685

Post butt

>>6379476
I'm still halfway in girlmode so no point in me posting a photo sorry fampai

>>6379697
That doesn't sound very straight of you

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>sony's e3 conference is in 3 hours
>at 2am

>>6379476
Why would i? I'm like 100% stealth

>>6379740

It's not gay to stare at booty

>>6379752

What's E3 been like so far? I've had too much of a life to keep up.

>>6379776
shit
i recommend watching the start of ubisofts conference though they really upped the cringe game

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>>6379697
i don't have any on my phone daddypai

>>6379685
holy shit you're so cute

wouldboyfriend/10

>>6379788

I hate the cringe, I HATE IT

But what did they do?

>>6379791

What talk is that, son. Your phone has a camera

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>>6379831
i'm at work

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>>6379476
sorry for the shit edit got some stuff on my walls that makes it pretty easy to track me down on the internet (or i'm just paranoid idk)

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>>6379899

You have toilets at work

>>6379900
Have you been eating?

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>came off antidepressants more abruptly than I should have
>too stubborn and self-destructive to go back on it

>>6379913
yeah? why do you ask?

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>>6379906
n-no i don't

i do lawns

>>6379828
<3

>>6379928
You just look rather thin, is all

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>>6379900

Toast prutt

>>6379923

Live the sadness, mate. Run it, own it, be it. Make it your bitch.

>>6379930

Ask the person you're working for to use their toilet. Or go behind the bushes,

>>6379900
F.A.S

>>6379936
thirsty

he's cute though, one of these days i should find a fellow stoner ftm and we can get high and play scrabble together then do the strapon swordfight

>>6379936
It's not the sadness, it's the ANGER. And frustration which leads to... crying. Which is... embarassing.

>>6379950

Can I join?

>>6379957

Find an outlet for the anger. I know those feels. It's cliché but it needs a valid physical outlet. Lifting weights took a lot of that pressure off my mind.

Over time you'll also learn to deal with your frustrations by calling it out and dealing with it the moment it arrives.

>>6379935
I am, broke my jaw in a couple places awhile back and it caused me to lose a bit of weight, tryin to gain it back though.

>>6379940
what does that even mean

>>6379936
naaah sorry buddy

>>6379970
my homoscrabbleweed party is for vaginamans only

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>>6379977
>>6379987

Welp, the only for it now is to kill myself.

>>6379999
i'm sure you can host your own sort of...repressed bisexual soiree

>>6380010

IT'S NOT THE SAME

>>6379999
Rip swg

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>>6379476
This is my profile pic for a few social media sites. I'd rather not show my whole face because I got ripped apart last time I did.

>>6380017

Bury me under your house

>>6380043
is that gonna cause an native burial ground type situation where you haunt my place for all eternity?
idk if i'm ready for that kind of commitment

>>6380073

It's not that bad. All that'll happen is I ask for picture of your butt and shit in your toilet without flushing.

>>6379950
>ftm stoner scrabble party

i need this to happen now.

>>6380084
that might just lead to shitty sitcom level jokes then t b h

"would it kill you to flush the toilet"
"no, i'm already dead"

>>6380092
>>6377637
>>6377789
>>6379950
Why are there so many trans stoners?

>>6380113

I think we've exhausted all the possible jokes, and it wasn't even a good one.

I predict at least 8 seasons and higher ratings than that BAZINGA one.

>>6380120
8 seasons in a movie.
we'll be rich.

>>6380138
*and

>>6380114
i don't think there's a universal answer for this, I like doing it to relax, and since i don't drink it's a good replacement.

fuck it im outie i expect to wake up to kojima memes
gnight ftmg

>>6380138
Just got off the phone with the network, the nightclub bit in the pilot episode did not go down well with test audiences.

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>>6379685
Cute

>>6379765
I don't believe it

>>6379630
I have a few times, but no one else ever does. I've seen Brooklyn and that's it until now

>>6379900
Pass bro

>>6380022
Really? Fuck people, you look fine from the pic.

uh, what the fuck?

Who said you were allowed in my gender?

>>6379900
You look like a lost work of Picasso.

>>6380681
>uh, what the fuck?
>uh

we are transitioning to male not female

>>6380723
im taking your spot so you can have mine

>>6380601
>pass
considering i'm pre everything, i'm surprised you think i do.

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>>6380691
I can see it t b h

>>6380015
You can come to MY scrabble game. But only if I get to touch your butt.

How many of you wear packers? How often do you wear them (daily, weekly, monthly, etc.)? Does it help your dysphoria?

(Recommendations would be great too.)

>>6381088
Don't have one. They seem like a expensive luxury that's just one more thing to stress about, it falling out, or becoming uncomfotable and being unable to fix it in public. There are much better things to blow your money on imo.

>>6381088
i just wear a strapon under my pants. it's cheaper and makes me look hot af

>>6379597
I-It's gone. Along with my pride
>;-;

>>6381161
Wouldn't that just make you look hard all the time? And I've found that most strapons are ridiculously large, aren't you worried about it looking unnatural?

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>>6379476
: ^ )

>>6381228
you look great aiden!!

Bro out,
- Skylar

>>6379900
>>6380022
>>6381228
euuughhh

>>6379685
u cute

>>6381228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7smLPz2GY

its him

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>>6379476
I look like a 13-year-old ayyyden because I'm pre-t but I'm a gross neckbeard at heart

>>6381768
Hey you're pretty cute. I bet if you smiled you'd have nice dimples.

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>>6379476
Recently bought a binder and stopped being in denial, amazing life decision

Reposting with correct image, hopefully

>>6381845
You ftms look like cute boys. If I didn't know you were ftm I'd think you're all biologically male.

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>>6381768
>>6381845
>tfw no bf to give the d to

>>6381768
idk... you're pretty handsome for pre-T (^_-)~

>>6381922
>>6381938
You're too kind

>>6370243
I kinda need to talk to someone about this because I feel like shit about it. So I'm out to pretty much everyone in my circle of friends where I live. There was this one guy who I was kind of getting involved with, (we've been having sex and flirting and generally being pretty cuddly) who wasn't really using my name or anything like that. I didn't really think anything of it until he kind of pulled me aside one night.
>"Hey I know that I haven't really been using your name, and I don't know if that's been kind of awkward. I guess I just kind of wanted to let you know that it's because I just really want to mean it. Like I don't just want to say it for you, I want to say it for me, and really mean it."
>".... Okay?"
>"And it's like I don't really get how other people can do it so easily. To me it kind of feels like they're faking it."

Like I'm sorry, but what? That was really hurtful, because he's a guy with no experience with any trans people. Are all cis people like this? Will no one take me seriously as a guy? I've talked to one of my friends about it, and he helped me feel a bit better. I just don't understand why he had to make it about him, or why he even had to tell me at all. He'd also be pretty odd about things. Like I remember one time, he asked me why I wanted to get rid of my breasts, or I'd be with him in bed wearing a t-shirt and boxer briefs and he'd call my underwear booty shorts or panties and it's just... I dunno. Like he did give me some of his clothes - which was awesome and I really appreciated it - but he also said some really what the fuck stuff to me that made me feel like shit. I get that he's cis and that trans stuff is really hard for them to get, but I've never had that kind of reaction from a cis person before. I guess this is what I get for trying to be with a straight guy.

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>>6381845
It's so liberating! Like I recently just bought my first binder and nothing matches the feeling of joy and relief I felt when trying it on and my body feeling right for the first time.

>>6379476
Also.

>>6382162
He's a shithead but I don't think all cis people are like that. Drop him as a fuckbuddy and a friend, drop him altogether - it's clear he doesn't respect you.

>>6382179
You look some indie alt rock musician, it's really attractive (and you are!).

>>6382222
It's funny because he actually dropped me first. He noticed that I was starting to develop feelings for someone else (because - surprise! - they call me by my actual name, use my pronouns, and are super supportive whenever I talk about trans stuff). I was kind of upset at first but talking about this has really made me see that I lucked the fuck out.

>>6382179
It really is, I can be around people and not feel like I need to slouch to look right. I'm starting to relate more and more to my own reflection, which is really nice

Also blond is the best my brother

>>6382222
Haha thanks! That's the first time I've ever been told that.
>>6382271
Isn't it wild to look at a mirror and not feel like you're looking at a painting? (Or at least that's kind of always how it's felt to me. I dunno how anyone else would describe it.) Like even on days when I'm feeling gross it does wonders for my mental state because at least when I'm looking in the mirror I'm looking at me.

>libido finally lets up
oh thank god
>libido stays dormant
...holy shit, what the fuck is wrong with me?

Do you guys have any crushes on any trips throughout lgbt?

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>>6382162
Christ. Some people. I had a similar thing happen to me.

We weren't a couple, but we were really close. He was the first person I was actually came out to. A few days later, he sends me this long-ass text (a text!) about how I'm such a beautiful young woman, how he can't stand to see me do this to myself, he can't understand why I would want to mutilate my body, I'll regret it later down the road, etc etc...

When I told him later how hurtful that was, he gave me a 30-minute "apology" in the car. It wasn't an actual apology, just excuse after excuse, justification and explanation and blah blah blah about his thought process and why he said what he said.

We're not friends anymore. You shouldn't be either.

>>6382179
>>6381845
My binder changed my entire outlook on life. I'm pretty big (DD+) so it doesn't work 100%, but holy shit does it make me feel better. I look like a douchebag but I'm more confident, I'm funnier, and now I have so many pictures of myself. I used to look in the mirror and everything would just be off, like when you look at a picture of Tom Cruise and realize his teeth are off-center. Life still isn't great, but it's definitely better.

Pic related.

>>6381938
You can give me the d all night bb

>>6381805
No dimples. I have messed up teeth so I look like if Swamp Thing fucked his sister when I open my mouth.

>>6382566
I just wanna preface this with what the fuck why is everyone in this thread so handsome? Like seriously you are so cute.

And yeah! Your experience kind of sounds like mine. Like he never said anything that direct (if he had I would have seriously just got up and left) but just some confusing stuff. You shouldn't have to demand or have to fight for people to respect you and treat you the way you want them to. I guess that's really what I take from this experience. I'd probably try to distance myself from this guy a bit if it wasn't for the fact that we're roommates. Oh well.

>>6376095
my best friend in the world is a trans girl, definitely would not rule it out

i tend to go towards other trans guys more though, surprisingly my interest in cis people as far as sex/romance goes is minimal to none?

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You guys are insanely good looking.

You guys are so quiet on lgbt I forget about you guys. :3

Id date all of you.
One of you date me now.

>>6382566
Your face is very unisex (slightly more masculine looking because it's longer vertically), but attractive nonetheless. You look like a normal cute teenage boy. But I'm cis guy I would not be able to tell you were trans
would bf/10

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>>6382667
back off, I saw Ayydin first

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>>6382690
Which ones ayydin?

I don't know names I rarely lurk here.

All of you are good looking tbqh...

>>6382566
Shit man, that's a dramatic transformation. I'm happy for you

>I used to look in the mirror and everything would just be off, like when you look at a picture of Tom Cruise and realize his teeth are off-center
Yeah I had that and still do, started right at puberty. I started wearing my dad's clothes, which were far too big, to offset it. It was weird because I'd get laughed at by my classmates when people assumed I was a guy, which really set me behind in accepting I was trans. But I digress

I could never take photos for the same reason, my chest not looking flat would always make me feel weird. Looking down and seeing bumps is weird too, distracting, feels wrong. I guess I repressed that for a while, but I figured I'd try wearing a binder to see if I liked it since I've been deepening my voice for a long time anyway

any other guys keeping their hair long? im pre everything but wanna keep my waist-length hair for now and for the foreseeable future, go for the metalhead thing.

also first time posting in this thread, hey. i didnt even know 4ch had threads like this for guys like me lol, i usually stick to gif for porn

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>realizing that even if i pass i still wont look as cute as dylan sprouse

Hold me, anons.

>>6382814
My hair is long but only because I'm girlmode and I don't trust my hairdresser to cut it short. But a metalhead-eque boy would be qt.

>people saying i'm attractive

surreal

>>6382858
word i have a pretty masculine long face already & wanna keep it the way it is, i wear a lot of leather shit already lol. my plan is to just get Real fuckin ripped so nobody feels comfortable bothering me about the long hair

already hot but hype to be hotter lol B)

I keep forgetting to sage and I'm very sorry.

YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BEARDS

>>6380848

o-ok

>>6381165

Post butt beard

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Bump

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>>6379476
few months into transition, still stealth

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>>6382382
SWG acts cute sometimes I guess but I don't think he's slav so no.

>>6380601
I'm nearly six foot tall and three years on hrt. Ain't nobody gonna listener me. Nice try but no pics for me

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>>6382858
lowkey reminds me of

>most ftms pass easy
>but they stay dickless manlets forever
I'd still get with one though, it'd be cute fem4fem

>>6383414

Guess again, I'm squatting later.

>>6382162
>Are all cis people like this?
Talk about letting your sexuality define your identity. You're just a walking ball of ideological indoctrination aren't you?

>>6381088
I pack like once every couple of weeks. it helps with dysphoria but for long periods of time it's uncomfortable, which makes dysphoria worse. So I only really wear it at home or when I'm going on a date, heh.

I recently bought an Archer packer and I really like it. it's more expensive but much more realistic-looking than a Mr Limpy when it's actually in your pants.

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Tfw some people actually think sony lost

>>6383157
yeah I know, I'm not on t or anything so all I have is a few hairs on the tip of my chin. Thankfully I have a very masc facial structure

i think my acne actually makes my face look more masculine and weathered....
dare i say, distinguished.
not everything that was bad about being in the closet stays bad.
i'm ugly and i'm proud

>be late 20's
>working with coworker who's the same age as me, even a bit younger
>guy comes in and asks her if I'm her son
On one hand I pass as a 15 year old boy. On the other hand I pass as someone ~12 years younger than I actually am. It's a mixed feeling.

She was far more offended than I was. Kek.

>>6384272
same here, my acne is in check but I'm not a good lookin person, but it somehow aids in making me 1. memorable and 2. helps me pass.


embrace the ugly m8

Hey guys, I'm looking for an email pen pal to kill the time I'm at work chatting with. You lot seem allot more chilled out than any other gens so I figured I'd post here.

[email protected]

BTW 24 MtF UK

I've been messaging a ftm on okcupid; if I tell him I just want to be friends what is the likihood he will be offended ?

How long do you think a person should wait before they go on hormones? Like I'm pretty sure that this is something that I wanna do, and I don't think that going on hormones is a mistake for me, but at the same page, I do know people detransition.

Felt super lightheaded after administering a shot today. Couldn't get it past the skin for like 5 seconds. That's never happened to me before.

>tfw born and raised in a small town in the south
>only issue is very few resources and i get hassled more than i'd like

pretty sure I wouldn't survive long up north.. I think i gotta severe case of hometown pride, sucks I might have to leave to just get this shit done without having to bend over backwards more than i already have.

>>6384896
detrans tend to be mtf and it never helps, they still feel like shit, they only tend to do it because they can't afford the e or feel they won't pass. Go to mtfg and ask about Kayla. Just do it.
>>6384626
>UK
pls b in london

>>6384920
Like I'm going to start therapy, but at the same point, I don't want to have getting my papers being held over my head. I want to be able to be honest, and not feel weird whenever I look into a mirror. There's an informed consent clinic near me that also has a therapist that I might use, so maybe I can start hormone therapy when I feel like I'm ready.

>UK
>pls b in london

Close! I'm in Kent just outside the m25

>>6384920
Forgot to quote you lol. I'm >>6384944

>>6384949
that'll do
I sent you a message anyway, sister

>>6384936
That's the important part, anon. No one is going to force you into doing anything you're not ready to do. You'll know when it is you want to start.

I was in your exact position a year ago and now I'm on T. Starting hormones is without a doubt a daunting thing that no one should take lightly, but you will know when you're ready. If your therapist is worth their salt, they'll help you through that process.

>>6384862
depending on how cool he is, mildly to not at all.
he might ask why, but as long as you're not an asshole about it, he should take it in stride

everyone's different though

So when injecting I was taught to use the air bubble, but I can't remember if you're supposed to compensate for that or not.

So when injecting .50, am I supposed to go to the .60 mark to compensate for the air bubble? I don't want my dosage to be even less than it should be.

>>6385020

I would just say that he's not my type.

Telling from his photos he's clearly not been on T long enough

>>6385208
fair enough man, if he takes that like an insult and blows up at ya, probably shouldn't mess with him anyway, that's usually a good sign of some screws bein loose.

>>6385215

If it wasn't obvious I'm cis does that change things ?

>>6385226
Why the fuck would that change anything? Cis or trans for either side, if you're not into someone, that's just how it is. Let him know and move on so he can too.

>>6384061
Pics pls

>>6385146
I'm not sure what you're trying to say... if your dose is .5 inject .5. You should be pumping the syringe in the bottle, overdraw and then push all the air out of the syringe until its completely filled with t to the dosage you need. Then you inject.

>>6385375
Welp. Guess I've been fucking up this whole time. Will fix that next week.

I was reading earlier that some people use the air bubble at the end to know all the T is out of the syringe though. I don't know anymore.

>>6385236

Idk, I think someone whose trans would be more sensitive to be told that they should just be friends from a cis guy.

>>6385226
>>6385439

not really, it's more person to person just like it would be with any cis person.

if he's a big baby about it all the more reason to drop him, it's not like you can help that you aren't into him that way, and since you aren't being a dick it's not something to worry about.

>>6381768
>>6379685
qt'z

alot of handsome bois here

>>6380601

I've only seen Hockeybot never seen you or Brooklyn

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>>6383328
Fucking azn easymode reeeee.

These threads make me sad. Why is gender identity so important to you? No one perfectly conforms to the norms of either gender, but instead of rejecting these norms, transsexualism props them up to the very top of personal human identity. The normalization of transsexualism is a huge step backward for everyone ELSE who find themselves on the wrong side of gender norms. Rather than do away with them, let's legitimize them to the point that they justify drastic genital surgery and a lifelong course of sex hormones, hurray! I sympathize with trans people, especially MtFs who can't just walk, talk, and dress like the sex they wish they were and be treated like a non-weirdo, which is why I REALLY don't get FtMs. What is it you feel that transitioning will enable for you? Or, if it's just the body, how is it any different than breast implants or leg lengthening surgeries? No one gets to choose the body they're born with, and I can't fathom how someone can build their sexual identity upon surgery and/or lifelong administration of artificial sex hormones. Your very sex is now in the hands of surgeons and pharmacists. Do you think you'll ever feel like a "real" man after you've permanently changed your anatomy? Or if it's the social aspect of sex identity, what's so important about the way strangers treat you? Surely you understand that anyone who really cares about you will treat you how you want to be treated, even if that means defying traditional sex norms? There are people out there who would be crazy about you as you are naturally and happily treat you in whatever way you want, even if it's aberrant for your sex. Do you disbelieve that, or is it not enough for you?

1/2

What names do you guys use? How did you find it and/or decide it was for you? Thoughts on common names and uncommon names? Are there any other "Aiden/Adyian/Etc." names?

>>6385950
B8?

>>6385950
tl;dr

>>6385953
>Are there any other "Aiden/Adyian/Etc
Skylar/Skyler
Anything that sounds snow flake/weeabo/NEET
Anything rare/edgy/non common

Go with common names and/or family names, something that makes sense. Otherwise nobody will take you seriously.

>>6385953
I didn't have to choose a name, just happened to be lucky with a unisex /male leaning name to begin with.

I did change my middle name, and i took my uncle / grandad's first name to carry on the tradition of passing that name down in some fashion

>>6385953
Picked something similar to my birth name to make it easier on me and my family/friends to ease into it.

>>6385953
easy mode for picking a name:

go through a list of most common names in your country

or do what I did: pick one of the common used names from the bible.

>paul, simon, adam, sam, ben, david etc.

>>6385950
The fact that so many trans people end up dating other trans people is what leads me to believe most trans people need to figure something out about themselves and accept what they were born into, but the acceptance of the trans movement is feeding them a medical solution that will make a few doctors fat and happy without answering the inner turmoil at the heart of this identity crisis. From what I've heard (and I could be hilariously wrong on this point) most FtM are attracted to women, so is the trans thing just a deep insecurity that the women you like won't take you seriously as a suitor? If that were the case, I can't begin to imagine how building a masculinity out of daily hormone injections and surgery that will never produce a proper, working, "real" penis will help with a sexual identity insecurity.

>>6385953
Not b8. I mean it, seeing all these girls taking hormones and considering surgery makes me really sad. I genuinely believe that a large portion of them will, perhaps a few decades from now, regret permanently altering their bodies because of gender norms that other people find just as ill-fitting as they do. Most everyone wishes they'd been born with a different body, but surgery and hormones will never change you into a "real" girl or boy, nor "revert" you to your "true" sex. I don't believe there's such thing as a "male" brain in a female body, that's just dissatisfaction with the gender norms of this society at this point in history, and there are people who are crazy about every permutation of norm-defying features, so why permanently alter what you got into a product of crude medical science?

2/3*

>>6386071
Oh shut up already, nobody cares.

>>6386071
>1/2
>2/3*

Oh boy.

>>6370604
Why is that a bad thing? People should have a right to deny people services

t. Tranny

>>6385953

If dubs your name is Anthony

>>6386156
You tried.

>>6386150
>People should have a right to deny people services
Should firefighters be allowed to deny lgbt people their service? How about police? Hospitals? Social care? Airlines?

>>6385950
>>6386071
I say these things as a guy. I don't say "cis" guy because legitimizing trans ideology only reinforces restrictive gender norms. I'm a fertile male, and a masculine-looking one. I could never pass for a girl even if I tried my hardest, which I guess is what the girls in these threads strive for. Bearded and built like a man, I would make you worry if you found yourself alone with me in a dark alley. And you know what? It really does fuck all for how people treat me. There is no man card that us manly men carry around to be treated like Steve McQueen in all our encounters. Whatever notions of masculinity and male culture you've assimilated in hyperbolic gender studies courses will never, ever be lived up to. I'm actually really effeminate and sensitive, and seriously considered going trans as a teen, but I realized A) I would never pass, B) Nothing would change even if I did. If you think becoming a man is going to confer an air of reliability, maturity, and seniority upon you, dream on. Sitcom portrayals of male respect hierarchies are a comical inflation of an occasional schoolyard dynamic passing through. They're brief and hollow experiences for masculine males, and YOU will be a frail and effeminate thing who will find that the casual dismissal girls receive during these moments is a polite compliment compared to the utter rejection of existence that feminine men receive. If you really want to know what being a physically effeminate and nonthreatening male is like, read "Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man", written by a lesbian with no axe to grind. Whatever you think you're going to find on this side of the playground, prepare to be deeply disappointed. And if it's a body thing, you're never going to know what it's like to have a working set of male junk. Period. You're also going to be frail and weak compared to the average guy even with HRT, so be prepared to feel truly inadequate.

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>>6386362
>3/3
Phew! I need a cigarette.

>>6386150
>>6386195
there's a big difference between public service jobs and things like churches
a pizza parlor can choose not to serve us faggots, but a hospital shouldn't choose whether or not to treat us for an injury
likewise a church that doesn't want to host a gay wedding shouldn't have to but a county clerk issuing the actual marriage licenses should be issuing them

>>6385953
I was stoned with my best friend and was watching It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia with her so I ended up going by Charles/Charlie

>>6386399
If the church is subsidized by the state it should have no choice since they're using tax money to function.

>>6385950
Your paragraphs are too long, bro.

>>6386431
Fair enough, I didn't consider that one

>>6386079
The same way nobody cares how you pretend at being a man?

If you're really confident about all this trans stuff, I'd expect you to cheerily engage me just so you can gloat over how easy it was to shoot my arguments down. The reason why I'm writing all this crap in this thread is because I'm an internally sensitive and effeminate man who sympathizes greatly with girls who wish they were guys. I understand the MtF mindset a little too well to really care to talk anyone out of decisions that can't be undone, mostly because the MtF motivations are fairly narcissistic and self-indulgent.

Brief story time: last Saturday I was at the beach with about 20 other guys for a bachelor party. Other people gravitated towards our easy-ups now and then including, at one point, what I'm 99% sure was a FtM transsexual. But it just looked like a fifteen-year-old boy had wandered into a bachelor party to swipe a few beers (tattoos and all!), and so relentless laughter, jeering, and rudely flung questions of "How old are you?" poured out of our group, which is a much nicer than average group of guys. The disrespect was immediate and knee-jerk, only relenting once she started talking loud enough for the group at large to hear her voice and a few of us realized he was a she, which we whispered around urgently.

This is an insular echo chamber of people eager for a tangible, physical solution to their insecurities. There's a reason why everyone is young and eager in these threads, and why the older FtMs that have settled in to comfortable lives as men aren't here to lend their wisdom. The esteem and poise you're looking for isn't going to be found on the other side of transition, and what you will find as a much more feminine than average guy with confused plumbing is worth serious consideration BEFORE the initial buzz of mostly passing for a femy guy wears off.

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>>6386512
stop shitposting

>>6386071
"Boohoo I can't undestand something and dont like it so no one should transition."

>>6386512
Have you even ever seen a trans guy who's been on T for a while? Femmy guy is so far from the truth.

>>6386522
If "alalalalala I can't hear you" is all you can say to someone on the other side of the fence you want to hop, who understands what it's like to be there and understands the desire to switch sides, then I hope you make some doctor nice a rich and then off yourself with a tie you hoped would make you look extra dashing before reality sunk in.

>>6386529
Hah! Yes, I have, and it's not impressive. FtMs and MtFs look basically the same; anyone with a keen eye can tell that the person has had substantial doses of both female and male sex hormones, it's just the order than isn't always obvious. MtF's are stuck with big hands and too muscular shoulders. FtMs have the opposite problem, with girly narrow shoulders, small hands, and a facial bone structure that never stops looking femmy, even if they're lucky enough to hide it under a beard. FtMs also have the problem of having small skulls, short statures, and narrow builds. Post puberty, the skeleton simply doesn't want to change more than an insignificant amount, and it's the bones that give someone a masculine build, which no amount of post-pubescent testosterone will fix. All the FtMs I've seen that try to work out and build a masculine physique manage to tone their biceps a bit and get their butts and thighs to slim down, but the hips are still too wide, the shoulders too narrow, and the torso as a whole too slim. "Passing as long as I can wear baggy pants and loose sweaters" isn't really passing, and if you're into women, you're in for a rude awakening once you realize how seriously most women treat effeminately-built men.

>>6386612
skeletal differences are minimal.
t. not even an ftm.

>>6386612
My body makes me want to die. If I'm uglier but want to die less, then who cares?

>>6382605 #
Thanks! I make up for it by being short and boring.

I'd say distance yourself anyways, even if he is your roommate. If he went out of his way to be shitty to you (you're thinking "well, sort of maybe not really" but yes he damn well did), then you're completely justified. He basically told you to your face that not only does he not think of you as a dude, but he doesn't respect you or even like you enough to try to make you happy. That, my friend, is shitty.

>>6382674 #
It's kinda funny. I actually used to think that my face was too feminine to ever pass as a dude, even on hormones. Don't trust the mirror, kids.

>>6382713 #
I know what you mean. My mom would always catch me doing "boy" stuff too and correct me. Honestly I think the hardest part of transition is gonna be mannerisms, we repressed so hard we have to work to undo that damage.

>>6382690 #
H-have I been named? Do I have to trip now?
There's enough for everyone. You'll have to fight captcha for the use of my bumhole though apparently.

>>6386362
>>6386362
>I'm actually really effeminate and sensitive, and seriously considered going trans as a teen, but I realized A) I would never pass, B) Nothing would change even if I did. If you think becoming a man is going to confer an air of reliability, maturity, and seniority upon you, dream on.

Are you saying you're trans in denial?
Also, who fucking cares? Everyone has the right to their own body just let them do what they want, Christ.

>>6386695
According to you? Virtually every MtF has too big hands that draw attention after a while. Almost every FtM has an effeminate shoulder-to-hip ratio that stands out in tight or skimpy clothes.

>>6386720
I take no issue with that reasoning. Are you planning on getting genital surgery though? Because I don't think the end product is going to make you want to die less. If someone actually sounds like they'll be happier with the changes in the long run, I see no reason why they shouldn't go for it. But a lot of trans people are way over optimistic about the end result, think they're going to pass marvelously, and travel the world being treated like a "real" boy or girl, when in reality they'll pass marginally, get lots of weird looks and double-takes, and eventually realize they've made themselves look stranger and uglier than before without a means to go back. The awesome gender-aberrant people that would have fallen for them before will no longer have any attraction to their artificially modified bodies, and now they have to figure out what to do with themselves.

>>6386745
that explains it, nobody rages against trans people in quite the same way people with repressed trans feelings do

calm down you anon there repress tranny friend. inhale some chill pills

>>6386885
What do you mean according to you?
Don't forget that there are ugly, mannish cis women and faggy looking men - are you clocking them too? Shall we force Serena Williams to just get it over and done with and transition seeing as she's criticised for having the edge in tennis for being 'built like a man'? I'm not saying every tranny magically passes but I think you're focusing too hard on the negatives and the unpassables. Not every cis person is the epitome of stereotypical 'manliness' or 'womanliness' and most trannies can play their flaws off because of this.

>>6386885
What a doomsayer you are. Presumptuous and condescending too.

I get the sense you've got some personal shit you need to go back to the drawing board with.

>But a lot of trans people are way over optimistic about the end result, think they're going to pass marvelously, and travel the world being treated like a "real" boy or girl, when in reality they'll pass marginally, get lots of weird looks and double-takes, and eventually realize they've made themselves look stranger and uglier than before without a means to go back. The awesome gender-aberrant people that would have fallen for them before will no longer have any attraction to their artificially modified bodies, and now they have to figure out what to do with themselves.


...Yeah, you're still trying on this scenario for yourself. Sorry you feel so bad about your prospects. No need to piss in everyone else's drinks.

>>6386745
>>6386745
Do you really believe people are born "trans", as if there's a male or female brain that ends up in the wrong body sometimes? I wish I could swallow that sort of idealistic nonsense.
>Also, who fucking cares?
Other than disagreeing with it at a philosophical level as well as disliking how trans acceptance rhetoric legitimizes traditional gender norms right as society was starting to tire of them, I've met older trans people who clearly regretted what they'd done. It was during a study abroad trip in 2008 to Holland, where progressive ideology about sex led to trans acceptance long before american doctors were prescribing HRT or doing surgeries. We met with a two-person organization that was about gender non-conformity or something. The purpose of the org wasn't clear, and the name was something silly like "rainbow", "swirl", or "twist". The founders were two forty-something trans things, and I say things not as an insult, they just were both people who'd gone through HRT, but eventually after some years or decades stopped taking their hormones and now had an unnatural mix of secondary sex characteristics like dense facial hair and full breasts. They both iterated that they were exploring their sexuality and "maybe" could have figured some things out without going through with medical intervention. They were nice people, but permanently deformed and regretting their decisions. Some people will last longer than others, some will have better results, but it's not a decision to take lightly, it isn't something you can ever take back, and you're committed to the decision for life. You'll never be a "real" boy or girl, and your facade is dependent on paying your medicine man for the rest of your life. You can tell yourself that you were born in the wrong body, and fantasize about how transitioning will solve your identity crisis, but maybe all you need is to seriously reflect on the sexual-social schemas that make you insecure.

>>6386983
I don't believe anything - moreover it's not up to me. It's up to the professionals. It's a study that's in it's infancy, who knows where it will go.

>right as society was starting to tire
lol, no way. You've got a long battle ahead of you before we get rid of them. I've nothing against removing traditional gender norms, but the fact is trans people all seem to have an inexplicable desire to be a man/woman and nothing else helps to quell the pain but to transition. Yes, they often cling to traditional gender roles to help them fit in - but how do you explain the body dysphoria? Perhaps, if we lived in a society free of rigid gendered expectations, trans people would only seek surgeries and hormones, whilst not altering their clothes. For example.

>two-person organization
wow! brilliant sample size!

>You'll never be a "real" boy or girl, and your facade is dependent on paying your medicine man for the rest of your life.
Okay:
You'll always have depression, and your façade of being 'happy' is dependent on paying your medicine man for the rest of your life - Just put up with it or kill yourself rather than trying to do the best with what you've got?

Moreover, just because it doesn't work for you, you're ignoring the fact a lot of trannies are loving life a whole lot more now than they were before.

Come on guys, I don't come here to read. Keep shitposting brief.

>>6386955
>Shall we force Serena Williams to just get it over and done with and transition seeing as she's criticised for having the edge in tennis for being 'built like a man'?
Nah, since she doesn't actually look anything like a man. Let's not use mass media examples from people with dull minds, no attention to detail, and zero experience with subjects who've actually taken large doses of artificial sex hormones. People who are detail oriented will almost always sniff out the trans people, much as you can never fool young children. I don't care how well a person passes relative to the average trans, put them in front of a 4-8 year old and they'll point and cry "mommy, that's a girl!" to the trans "man". Some people never lose that perceptivity. Puberty changes the skeleton in ways that can't be undone and that are easy to see if you know what to look for. Hell, if you're paying close attention, you can reliably pick out virtually any trans just by their upper lip. I don't even know how to describe it, but the upper lip develops distinctly differently depending on whether the person went through puberty as a girl or a boy and a casual glance at the upper lip is enough to out 95% of trans, MtF or FtM.

>>6386959
Yeah, I considered it while taking a human sexuality class about 8 years ago after we had a trans guest speaker. Pretty common for the slightly gender-defiant to go through a period where they confuse what they're attracted to with what they wish they were, but you get over it post impressionable adolescence. Now I'm perfectly pleased with my predilection for boyish girls with deep voices. "Dude, you're just, like, projecting your own issues, man." You say this as a serious advocate of sex change, as if it's any less ridiculous than the idea of Michael Jackson's race change. Step back a sec and consider who is more likely to be driven by personal issues here.

>>6387132
>Let's not use mass media examples from people with dull minds,
No, let's.
Why? Because they're the people that matter. The majority of people are NOT clued up enough about matter of biology to clock a stealth tranny.

Even if Serena is a poor example, are you going to deny the existence of fem males and butch women? Men with low test levels who get that 'skinny-fat' physique, for example, can easily take attention from an ftm with wide hips.

>>6387061
>It's a study that's in it's infancy
Just like serotonin models of depression, medical models of transsexuality aren't based on any empirical evidence, in many ways simply CAN'T be tested, and yet medical institutions are happy to apply treatments (and get payed for them) anyway. Lets lobotomize some homosexuals while were on this track, shall we?
>but how do you explain the body dysphoria?
Some people have body dysphoria about limbs they think should be amputated. People are impressionable and they get weird ideas in their heads that they fixate on. Does the fact that anorexics see themselves as fat when their ribs are poking through their clothes mean their true forms are Aspen trees? Dissatisfaction with gender norms is more than enough to inspire dysphoria.
>Perhaps, if we lived in a society free of rigid gendered expectations, trans people would only seek surgeries and hormones, whilst not altering their clothes.
And yet all trans people alter their clothes, as if the whole issue stems from social norms, but I guess that's just a huge coincidence.
>wow! brilliant sample size!
I'm merely pointing out that, in one of the few places that's had HRT available decades prior to its introduction in the US, 100% of the older trans people I met regretted their treatment. Food for thought, not a sampling attempt.
>Just put up with it or kill yourself rather than trying to do the best with what you've got?
Maybe the root of the issue is better treated another way. The current approach is a irreversible lifelong commitment.
>you're ignoring the fact a lot of trannies are loving life a whole lot more now than they were before
Undoubtedly at first, but the treatment hasn't been around for long enough here to pass judgment on its long term effectiveness. I'm trying to caution people not to jump into something they MIGHT regret.

>>6386362
>>63865127
>>6386983
Haha "this is why you'll never be real men xoxoxo~ a real man" speech. It's okay, I did this shit before I discovered I was trans too. Except I was like 'trans people aren't real, it's sexist to think that people actually have gendered brains and minds,' trans women are just being sexist because men and woman are the same mentally, etc. Then I took the redpill and realized I'm a dumbass and that boys and girls are different, just that I'm not a woman... so I transitioned and I'm aye okay now.

I don't care what you say about trans people because I don't care about the opinions of uneducated people, just like I don't take medical advice from webmd or care what christians think of climate change.

>>6387183
A transsexual is gender-aberrant. They're going to gravitate towards other gender-aberrant people, and those people are way better at spotting trans features than the average dolt who has no experience with it. Femmy guys and butch women still "pass" somehow, as I hope you won't pretend not to know. Trans people always look a little off, something slightly different than your run of the mill femmy guy or butch girl. It's worth the time of every person considering treatment to know that there will always be people who give them suspicious, squinty-eyed looks wherever they go, even if they're in the top 1% of passing trans. And that's not even getting into the issue of the plumbing.

>>6387244
>if I make up a doctrine that suits my feelings and beliefs, I'm educated
Good for you. I'm please to know you won't be reproducing.