Cis Lesgen

I have officially found the most realistic lesbian porn ever! I mean the femme has all her clothes off first the stud cant get the fucking strap on right and its all intense, like its the sounds and everything, hell it even has the stud trying to not cover her face because she is so turned on. (I do that) it has the girls guiding each other any everything. I love it. I mean the screaming can be toned down a little, but a lot of what happens in there actually happens in real life.

http://xhamster.com/movies/977320/the_butch_pulls_a_beauty.html

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>>6285989
that is some very decent strap-on action.
me and my gf haven't done anything with strap-ons yet but we're kinda thinking about it, and since i'm a top i guess i'm looking for advice. do i like practice it or work out certain muscles before ? help a girl out

>>6286057
ok here's the thing about first timers with strapons, its expensive, get the non-latex ones then you have to get Two, not just the one, you have to get a smaller one for when you first start, if your the stud your tolerance for fucking is going to have to go WAY up, or you're going to make the mistake of finishing first. Lube is for those who DONT GET SELF LUBED. if you use lube then you wont really feel it, you have to both be already turned on. I personally usually recommend a two way, that way you are both in the same place sexually and are more likely to come at the same time. If you do in fact decide to get a two way then make sure its a long one, the 24"ers let you do way more stuff and use WAY more positions then the shorter ones, but keep in mind the thinner ones are going to be the ones you are going to have to start with, but then you WILL want a thicker one later. by that time then you WILL need the lube, if your anything like me sex will last days for you NOT "minutes" (unfortunate to have ANY kind of sex that doesn't go for AT LEAST and hour) the more you love each other the longer the sex will be, have all kinds of sex, drink alcohol, smoke weed, get high, fuck in all those instances. trust me your sex life will sky rocket.

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>>6285969
not exactly a superhero, but nice cosplay

>have all kinds of sex, drink alcohol, smoke weed, get high, fuck in all those instances. trust me your sex life will sky rocket.
only thing ican agree on
just ask your gf what she likes... talk to each other

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>>6285969

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>>6285844
Some fruity-ass drink, probably.

>>6287204
lmao, I'm sure you'll try.

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Also ayyyyyy, this thread topic. Those are some excellent battits.

>Whose your favorite superhero?
G U E S S
U
E
S
S

>Would you ever cosplay a superhero?
Have done and will do again! Not my waifu, though.

>Should nerds be given this much free rein?
Please, nazi. We've already taken over.

>Some rando kid
>mfw I'm older than you

>>6285989
>strap-ons
>ever

>>6287487
>G U E S S
>U
>E
>S
>S

Joker?

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>>6287501
Well, Heath Ledger did do a pretty solid one.

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My favourite super is Cable...I wouldn't cosplay him, though, as I have noodle arms :/

I'd cosplay if I could get someone to make me a high quality outfit. I kinda wanna cosplay as Domino or Magik. I'd love to rock a Spider-Man costume, especially Spider-Gwen.

>>6287487
And that my anon is how we know you don't have enough sex

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>>6287659
>Domino
If you can pull Domino, then you are a goddess.

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>>6287971

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When I was a kid I really wanted to be a female spider-man. Well now that Silk is supposedly a thing, and Korean, I could pull it off.

Is there a lesgen discord or something?

>>6288282
Just made one since you asked.

>>6288321
I don't know how to use discord

>>6288400
Me neither
https://discord.gg/012c1utlv0kAXN8yO

>>6288414
I'll join after I get groceries ;)

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>>6288426
Tell me when you're back and I'll post another link for you later.

>>6287487
>I'm older than you
I think 99% of regular posters are older than her.

Is any viking still here or any other viking?
I am visiting Stockholm and Uppsala in a month, do you have any suggestions for a good gay bar? (yes my english is crappy)

>>6286295
that pic
>I put on my robe and wizard hat

>>6288784
Uppsala-viking here. Uppsala has no good lgbt-spots, the few that tries it are SJW drink holes. Steer clear of 'em.
Supposedly Fjollträsk/STHLM got some, but no personal experience with it.

>>6288820
Thank you, then I will not waste time in Uppsala looking for a good one.
Any must see epic places I should keep in mind while visiting??

>>6288414
Is this still going?

>>6288866
To me, living here, it's all quite ordinary.
So, have this as it's dangerous to go alone:
http://www.destinationuppsala.se/en/To-do/Uppsalas-definite-must-dos/

I'll recommend Stadsträdgården though, it's nice even in the worst of weathers.

>>6288888
I know you cunts are sticklers about outsiders coming into your threads, but I have to pay my respects to those digits.

>>6288436
Back ;)

>>6288888
Thanks you're a darling <3
I will have a friend with me but she is a gorgeous ginger so I am not sure if that makes it any safer.

>>6288820

>tfw dated a swedish girl
>she started out as a shitposting 4channer and ended up as a kill-all-white-men SJW and moved back to sweden to engage in anti-fascist and radical feminist action
What even happened.

>>6285969
I might cosplay as a heroine some day, but not someone too raunchy or that doesn't fit my blonde hair. Supergirl is a bit boring, but I honestly never cared enough about superhero stuff to like any of the heroines. If I could get my girlfriend to pull a Zatana I might consider something to pair.

>>6289013
>>6288883
https://discord.gg/012c1utlv0k9rKyFJ
Good for 1 hour. I'll be adding people as members while I can.

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>>6288820
>>6288888
this

quints for
U P P S A L A
P
P
S
A
L
A
and stay clear of my hood

>>6289128
Ok I think I joined. I don't really know how to work this but I'm leaving for an hour again.

You realize this thread is entirely trannies right?

>>6289144
If you can't see me in the channel you probably haven't.

>>6289171
It says I don't have permission to chat lol.

Another discord invite if you want to join. We can get some different games going. You won't be able to message until I move you to the role tho. So sit tight.
https://discord.gg/012c1utlv0k9bEGg2

>got ghosted by a cute girl I was really into
when will I find love lesgen?

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>>6290101
Why do people ghost? It's a horrible way to deal with people.

Speaking of which, why is the gay community full of horrid people? People with huge issues and aggression and bad communication skills? It's just terrible. I only want to date a woman who is in some sort of science or other rigorous profession these days. I'm sick of dealing with women who have no passions or goals. Toxic women who hide their issues well until they suddenly dump them all on you in one horrid burst.

Why must it be so difficult to find a gay woman who is well put together?

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>>6290101
I don't get it either. They act like they're super into me but then they get to know me and boom. Oh.

>>6290216
Do they really get to know you? Do you really get to know them?

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>>6290235
Who knows what really is. I guess I screw it up. But then again I'm never that invested. I get over it pretty quick.

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>>6290246
No where near enough information here to properly empathize with you.

I really busy don't know what went on to end up with such a result.

People don't generally ghost on me. They'll stay in touch or I won't really like who they are and what their doing with themselves and I'll make it clear that we just don't mesh and a relationship would not work out.

Words are spectacular as a communication tool. Use them to tell me what really went on and I'll try to help in any way I can.

>>6285969
I don't cosplay, because I don't like people paying attention to me.

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Hey our chat has been going well for the last while but new blood would be nice to mix things up.

You can joint he skype group if you email me at [email protected]

>>6289142
I hope you mean Canada and not Finland.

[spoiler]I know you don't but a girl can dream.[/spoiler]

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>tfw people think it's a big deal that a lesbian couple was in the Finding Dory trailer for 3 seconds.

Geoanon u still mad.
Cuz u seem mad.

>>6290107

It's like a tiny hellish penis entering a giant gaping sky butthole.

Do you think it's okay for girls who aren't ready for physical intimacy to use dating apps/sites?

I have zero experience with anything physical. I've just never found someone I wanted to be with. I'm embarrassed to admit it but I don't think I could even kiss someone unless I had strong feelings for them, let alone make out or have sex. (I love cuddling/spooning/etc though, I'm not anti-physical contact or phobic). As much as I would like to go on dates and just have fun like normal people, I feel like that would be inappropriate since I'm like this. Is my feeling correct?

>>6286295
I met a girl recently who was wearing a full huffle puff outfit without the cloak and she looked really good in it. Sadly she was some kind of genderspecial and acted super autistic.

>>6290459

Just accept the special snowflake and label yourself ~Demisexual~ and explain in the first paragraph what that means to you.

>>6290459
Yes. Those apps are for meeting new people and eventually having sex. It's ok if you want to wait like a week or two after your first date but nobody wants to meet someone on there and never have sex.

>>6290408
I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to say

>>6290471
I get what you're saying. The label fits but calling myself demi/asexual would make people assume I must be otherkin too. I'm not into the "uwu everything is valid" crowd which would be 99% of the girls who would stick around.
Tbqh even outside of that... some people need sex like oxygen, some people need it never. I don't think being at one end of the spectrum is important/interesting enough to have its own box.

>>6290475
Cool, thank you!

>>6290566
Sorry I meant no it's not ok.

Someone else suggested using demisexual. This is pretty much the only valid time to do that since it pretty much is a big fat sign saying 'I'm going to blue ovary you'.

You can always just write in your profile that you're new to being intimate but willing to move towards it.

>>6290604
I know, I understood that you meant it's not okay and I agree. I was thanking you for the constructive feedback! :)
That's a fair suggestion but I'm not going to be making any profiles, I just don't think it's fair to other people.

>>6290630
There are probably other people like you though?
I think it's fine just as long as you're honest up front. You don't have to call yourself demisexual, just explain what you've written here. I don't think post people on dating websites are just after sex unless you mean Tinder.

>>6290660
There are others for sure! I don't think everyone is after sex on its own but it's assumed to be part of the package deal of going on dates. I don't feel comfortable disclosing this part of me on a public profile but it's something I am always up front about irl.
Thank you for being nice about this. <3

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>>6287843
Because I don't like strap-ons? THAT'S what makes you think I'm not getting enough pussy right now? Not that I'm a regular poster on 4chan, or a complete waifufag, or that I thirstily flirt with every woman who gives me the slightest opening? The dildo thing is what tipped you off.

Anyway, I've had sex with strap-ons before and they're the fucking worst. Fight me.

>>6288220
You should read Spider-Gwen.

>>6289081
Literally a nightmare.

>>6290459
Totally fine. Just be upfront in your profile about all that so you're not stringing anyone along.

>>6290756
Giving or receiving?

>>6290288
You wrote too many words for me to care, gross su poster.

>>6290437
Give me gay Elsa.

>>6285989
>strap-on
>realistic lesbian porn

S confirmed for male

>>6290630
Yeah it's rough to reach your age and be missing the sexual experience expected of you. I mean /R9K/ is proof of that.

But people are very understanding in real life and if you keep looking you'll find someone that 'll understand.

>>6290756
Ish. No what i was trying to imply was that you haven't gotten bored of sex yet

>>6290831
Tell that to my period right now. Maybe that will make it go away faster.

And yeah it is realistic. Do you not see the clumsyness in it all.

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Hello my slut-tastic fellows. I want to get a laid back chat platform going. If you haven't already, use the Discord invite (good for the next 7 hours) so I can move you into the group. If I don't do it right away I will very soon. After I come back from the movies. Peace.

https://discord.gg/012c1utlv0k9bEGg2

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>>6290821
Both. They both suck in their own ways.

Giving
>No genital stimulation
>Logistically awkward, have to make that penetraty, hip-thrusty movement that doesn't come naturally
>Don't get to feel or taste your gf's pussy, which is the best part

Receiving
>Motherfucker OW. A thousand shades of ow. Nooooo thank you.
>Stimulates all weird. Not as good as mouth/fingers at hitting all the right spots.
>Don't get to actually feel your gf touching your clit/inside you, which is the best part

The. Worst. I can understand people with wider vaginas than mine not having the ow issue, but besides that I don't get why this is even a thing.

>>6290836
Oh, I'll never get bored of sex.

>>6290874
You can still give a reach around.

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>>6290886
But why would you want to when you can just have sex that's good?

>>6290874
Yeah. That's what i used to say. Just trust me, your tolerance will gradually go up. And you will find yourself waiting more and more and more.

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>>6290890
Why would my tolerance gradually go up? Tolerance for what? Shit sex? I'm good as-is.

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>>6290874
So what you're telling me is you have a small vagina. Now my interest has piqued. Imagine how tight you must feel. Hot damn I don't wanna say I think I love you but I think I love you.

>>6290835
Aw, thanks. Yeah, somehow the "healthy" route is for me to already be carrying around emotional baggage from past relationships.
I feel like lesbians are a lot more accepting of inexperience. Everyone understands that it's hard to find girls, there's not that feeling of "she's 22 and hasn't had gay sex?! RED FLAG!"

>>6290897
Nooooo.
The better the sex the more you're going to want of it.

It's like a drug.

>>6290821
>too many words

Eat dick. How lazy can you be? How lame? To even take the effort to comment? Wowee. Yeah, go drown in a swimming pool of dicks

Why is it so easy to fall for girls but not guys

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>>6290898
Oh yeah. Shit's crazy tight. I have to be good and aroused before I can even do two fingers. Clamp down like crazy when I orgasm, too, fingers beware. It's pretty hot when I masturbate tbqh. It really is a very nice vagina.

>Hot damn I don't wanna say I think I love you but I think I love you.
Do I really need to say it?

>>6290903
Exactly. Which is why every time I've fucked a chick with a strap-on I've wanted it less and less.

>>6290566
>some people need sex like oxygen, some people need it never.

If you're skiddish about intimate contact or need to take things agonizingly slow with a sig.o., that's not insanely uncommon, and it shouldn't keep you from making a profile.

But there's a big difference between one's sex drive once in an intimate relationship vs. out of it. A friend of mine has zero sex drive when not in a deep relationship and takes a week into dating for a first tongue kiss and a month for sex, and goes months or years between relationships, but once the connection happens will maintain a steady average of 6 times/week, at least 1 hour sessions, without a drop in lust, any time any place. It's pretty smutty.

So if you haven't had the experience of an intimate relationship yet, you probably don't know what your true sex drive will be. Get on those websites -- be upfront as people said, but don't prejudge yourself too much.

>>6290943
Say that you love me, skank.

>>6290923
What an aggressive little poop hole you are. Get over yourself, and get into therapy.

>>6290966
Just look at yourself and see the irony.

Crawl up into your own vag and find yourself like a vision quest.

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>>6290966
Well I was GOING to tell you to dress up like my waifu and sit on my face, but

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>>6290993
>Crawl up into your own vag and find yourself like a vision quest.
That actually sounds like a fun Saturday.

>>6290994
notice me senpai

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>>6291007
Oh, I'll notice you real good.

>>6291021
I said hello in discord, but I don't think it's working

>>6290994
You will love me. That's just how this goes.

>>6290993
Quiet down now non goldie.

>>6291025
You're gonna have to wait until I add you to the group. Sit tight. I'm outta the house.

>>6290756
You're so honest with yourself. That's admirable.

Two gold stars. One more and that hypothetical special edition bluray.

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>>6291025
>>6291028
Wait, which one of you is nazi? I thought nazi made the discord, but now I'm confus.

Also I probably need to turn my volume up or something.

>>6291039
not me

>>6291028
If that's all you can come up with, we're done. An angry, bitter child, you are.

I'll help you with whatever issue you have if you're ever willing to be forthcoming with information.

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>>6291039

>>6290951
I made that initial post thinking of course I can't date and more or less looking for confirmation of what I already knew. I really didn't expect to get encouragement to put myself out there anyway. I've only had guys like me and a lot of them were hurt that I couldn't return their feelings and ever bring myself to be sexual with them (this was before I realized I didn't like men entirely). I guess I am still in that mindset of feeling like my boundaries are mean to other people. Reading your post made me seriously tear up. Thank you.

It's reassuring to hear your friend's story! Do you know what made her start dating her SOs/what made them special?

Like I said in another post, I'm not comfortable putting all the details of my libido and sexual boundaries on a public profile. Do you think writing "just looking to get to know people" or something similar is good enough?

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>>6291035
>>6291053
Oh, okay. That's all coming together, then.

The only other one I can even see in discord is "Pure Genocide," which I'm gonna guess is Nazi lmao.

>>6291037
Self-awareness brings all the girls to the yard. And they're like, "Wow you're really an average person in most major ways."

>>6291060
>Rebekah
pls can she sex me

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>>6291069
Does it bother you that Kara and her sister don't pass the Bechdel test? I mean, Rebekah and pic related don't either, but still.

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>>6291086
>talking to be about the Bechdel test
>ever
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE dealbreaker

Also they totally do.

Also god damnit now I'm thinking about the fucking Bechdel test. Go home.

>>6291098
It's a good test

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>>6291105
I will set you on fucking fire. I have literally kicked women out of my apartment for bringing up the god damn bechdel test.

>>6291002
OMG... that smile kills me.

>>6291115
Setting people on fire is what I enjoy, you have to find your own thing.

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>>6291118
She's qt, isn't she?

>>6291120
F I R E
I
R
E

>>6290756
>Anyway, I've had sex with strap-ons before and they're the fucking worst. Fight me.

Did u give or did u receive.

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>>6291123

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>>6291129
See >>6290874

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>>6291133
wut

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>>6291140
yea

>>6290898
Why would a lesbian care if a woman's vagina is small or normal-sized?

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>>6291148
I kek'd

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>>6291160
tfw you will never make Melissa laugh like that

Since they're adding supergirl to the Arrowverse, maybe she'll meet Sara Lance. That would be a fun pair

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>>6291156
Because it's hot when a tight cunt squeezes your fingers.

You men are so weird.

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>>6291171
>tfw

Supergirl is already in the Arrowverse, technically, she's just on a different earth.

God DAMN do I not want to see any Arrow bullshit in muh show, though. Arrow is the worst.

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>>6291178
I liked season 1 and 2 of Arrow. Felicity is trash though. I really wish she'd just die so it can go back to Oliver killing rich people again.

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>>6291185
Felicity was literally the only part of that show I could ever stand.

Granted I never watched much of it because it's awful. But she was great in her Flash crossovers.

>>6291115
>not accepting Alison Bechdel as your lesbian lord and savior

You are now imagining Alison Bechdel dressed up as Supergirl, sitting on your face.

>>6291148

The combined power of their teeth in this image is hypnotizing me.

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>>6291242
Nope. Still just Supergirl.

>>6291291
I bet you don't even like Virginia Woolf

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>>6291320
I could not give less of a shit, anon.

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>>6291396

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>>6291405
>wasting pics of my waifu on social justice shit

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>>6291410
>implying I care about SJWs

>>6291057
>help
>from the filthy non goldie
Pls.

>>6291065
You should add "get to know other lesbians" because whenever I see someone looking for people in general I directly assume they're straight who haven't understood that there are actually lesbians looking for other lesbians

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Civil war was cool. I never watched any of the Avengers movies or Captain America but this was fun. Thread needs more booty.

>>6291156
The sensation of a vagina wrapped around your fingers, tight, wet, coupled with her sounds - that's what we all must live for.

Do women generally use HER to find hook ups, dates, or for some more general social media-esque thing? I thought it was for dating but there's a news section and a calendar of events or something so I'm kind of unclear on what the "culture" is there.

>>6291732
This is an excellent point, thanks anon. I'm definitely not sight-seeing or looking to find out if I'm into women.

>>6291065
>Like I said in another post, I'm not comfortable putting all the details of my libido and sexual boundaries on a public profile. Do you think writing "just looking to get to know people" or something similar is good enough?
Write that you are looking for romantic relationship.

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GAY AGENDA ALERT

I predict a three second cameo followed by hundreds of "my children will never recover" articles from the right and "homophobia is officially over" articles from the left.

>>6292135
They're not fat enough to be lesbians.

>>6292135

But I see pairs of women out and about with babies all the goddamn time, and they're straight as fuck.
I dunno, feels a bit reachy.

>>6292135
Looks cute

>>6292170
shut up hon

>>6285969
>Cis Lesbian
ayo ayo hol up
does that mean that dudes missing dicks in dresses are counted as lesbians if they still prefer women after they put their dicks in a blender?

>>6292255
in its cleverest ruse the shitposter attempts to bait transsexuals into the thread, the natural enemy of the lesbian in hopes of feasting on the bodies of those slain in the following carnage

>>6292297
>natural enemy of the lesbian
But haven't you been to /r/actuallesbians? Trans women are just as much lesbians as the rest of us! You don't want to be transphobic, do you? I love my trans gf!

xoxo

>>6292382
This made me cringe

pls post discord invite link in the next general OP

If I'm an intersex female lesbian who was raised and socialized female but has masculine traits do I post here or in the trans lesgen? I don't want to be anywhere I shouldn't be.

>>6292591
Frankly, you're on the wrong site completely. Better off going anon and simply never bring up yourself anywhere.

>>6292598
Why?

>>6291115

What's wrong with the bechdel test? Most men and anti-sjws support it. The only people I've seen actively antagonistic to it are ultra-libertarians saying the free market has spoken regarding women in film and the only way to fight it is for more women to buy tickets, not to pressure film studios (by writing editorials I suppose).

>>6292649
How do they know when it's a woman who buys the ticket? That's ridiculous. I've taken surveys at the theater before, maybe three times in my entire life out of the hundreds of times I've been to the theater. Do all the other times not count now?

Using our dollars to vote doesn't always work. Ultra libertarians be silly.

>>6292603
Don't listen to that Anon, she was being an asshole. You're fine here.

>>6292649
What does it mean to "support" the Bechdel test?

Frankly, if you want to see more women in movies, then you should go into a career in movies.

>>6292681
Believe me, it's not that easy. I work in the business, and women get SHIT unless they're makeup artists or costume or set designers. There's basically an egg timer on your forehead that goes DING when you're 30 and then you don't get any more roles.

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Tell me what's currently going on in your lives gals.
Recommend me a book, give me tips on how to get started in the dating world as a babydyke. Tell me stuff, inform me of events, anything at all.

>>6292695
I was thinking more in a managerial, directing, or writing capacity, rather than acting, so you can make the decision to point more women in movies.

I understand that there's a very deeply embedded network of people in Hollywood that works to maintain the status quo, but if you're really passionate about film, then you can devote time to going indie and working with a smaller budget. I don't understand why people care about Hollywood anyway. I basically don't watch American TV shows and movies, it's all shit.

>>6292713
>book
>babydyke
Demian by hermann hesse
Just do it.

>>6292713
What kind of books do you like?

>>6292673
Reason? In lesgen??
>>6292603
But really. Stay

>>6292734
sounds good

>>6292736
I think anything, so long as it's good (i.e makes me think about or question stuff). Even self-help books I enjoy, like Dale's "How to win friends and influence people" and Maxwell's "Psycho-Cybernetics".
Currently reading "Gone with the wind" and finding it really enjoyable (1965 edition, got that old book smell, I love it)

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>>6285989
This was a little surreal for me. It was indeed super, super hot. Hotter than a lot of what gets passed off as "lesbian" porn. But also with one of the women taking a definite "male" type role, it looks 98% like the "normal" straight sex I have with my girlfriend.

It's weird when it comes down to it, we're not all really so different

>>6292239
Go eat a cake fatty

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>>6292649
Because I do not want to hear your bullshit feminist criticism of my god damn media. I do not care. I don't care if the bechdel test is a valid blah blah blah. I don't care if it's feeding starving orphans in a third world country. I just want you to shut the fuck up and let me enjoy my shit without inserting whatever political fucking bullshit at every opportunity.

The problem with the bechdel test is that it's the first go-to of every barely-educated, self-important idiot who wants to interrupt something enjoyable to bitch that "ith not femnith enuf"

Fuck off.

>>6292135
>implying Merida wasn't gay

>>6292962
Is it really so much to ask that female characters not be one-dimensional?

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>>6292971
Literally kill yourself.

>>6292989
Please punish me with superhuman strength

>>6292962
>criticism of my god damn media.
>let me enjoy my shit

Straight guy lurking the thread here. The problem with your thinking is that it's not "your" media. Nothing is being made for you specifically. It's being made for hundreds of thousands of people. If you like what gets made then great, but if you don't that's your problem.

> I do not care.
That's exactly how many people feel about you as well. No one anywhere except you actually gives two shits about what you want.

You can be pissed off at people for saying they don't like this or that aspect of something, or it not being feminist enough. But you are already doing exactly that from a different angle.

tl;dr Cry me a river, dickface. ;)

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>>6292996

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>>6292995
>tfw you will never aggressively dom a girl with Kryptonian strength

>>6293006
Just don't respond to them. It's cute he thinks his opinion matters.

>>6293006
I legitimately don't understand what you mean by that.

>>6293014
I want to recreate Dane Cook's joke where he has sex with a dragon, but instead of riding a dragon I want to ride Supergirl's face

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>>6293020
I don't know Dane Cook's joke, but that sounds like a lofty and worthwhile goal, anon.

>>6293014
You know what makes me sad? The times when I haven't outed myself as being male in these threads, you and I have had some interesting and enjoyable conversations. This is one of my favorite ongoing threads on the board.

>>6293024
>>6293014
What do you watch aside from Supergril?

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>>6293041
So, so much. I love TV. My main things are Agents of SHIELD (coupled with anything and everything Marvel Studios produces), Person of Interest, and The Flash is weirdly enjoyable despite not being all that well-made.

I'm particularly obsessed with Agents of SHIELD. It's so good.

Beyond that there's a lot of stuff that's off the air that I absolutely love. Stargate: SG1. Firefly (obviously). Veronica Mars. To name a few.

>>6293055
Breddi gud tastes my duderus

I need to pick AoS back up, I ducked out around episode 14 to binge the Flash and the Originals.

I like the Flash because it's just the right amount of superhero camp-ness mixed in with some fairly believable 20-something life drama

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>>6293055
SG1 was AMAZING. Any love for Sanctuary?

>>6293027
It's nothing personal, they're just trying to meme it up.

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>>6293067
The Originals is also bretty solid. I got bored of it at some point and stopped watching, but I should pick it up again.

Definitely pick AoS back up. Literally nirvana. It's so good it's like an orgasm in TV form.

>mixed in with some fairly believable 20-something life drama
I find the romantic drama irritating, mostly, because it seems so unbelievable and contrived. I like it more lately because there's barely any of that, and Iris isn't acting like a prototypical millennial brat for once so I don't hate her when she's all up in Barry's grill.

I really liked Patty Spivot, and I was totally mad at how she left. ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY.

>>6293074
SG1 was like fucking magic. The longer it ran the better it got. Fucking A+ show.

I haven't seen Sanctuary. I take it I should?

>>6293080
It's entirely personal. Idiot men in lesgen should set themselves on fire along with the trannies.

>>6292591

>female
>brought up female

Sounds like youre in the right place. Chil.

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>>6293091
I didn't like Sanctuary nearly as much as SG1 overall, but Amanda Tapping is amazing in it.

Also after a recent rewatching the first four seasons of Xena still hold up amazingly well.

>>6292971
>Is it really so much to ask that female characters not be one-dimensional?
I think this can be done perfectly without having to include some dumb test. Like with creating actual characters, not just by fitting one single criteria.

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>>6293055
>>6293074

There can NEVER be enough Sam Carter love.

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>>6293091
It's so annoying because Patty was objectively better for Barry than his literal sister, but they had to send her away so they could keep up the forced tension between Barry and Iris.

>>6293100
Are you excited for the remake? I'm cautiously optimistic

>>6293067
Go back to AoS, you won't regret it. Or at least finales of each season will make you be happy that you returned to it.

>>6293112
The Arrow finale (and season 3/4 in general) almost put me off watching the Flash or Supergirl entirely. I couldn't stop watching Supergirl once I started though.

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>>6293100
ALSO have never seen Xena. I should add it to my list.

I'm also tempted to watch Ally McBeal now because Calista Flockhart is so good in Supergirl.

>>6293102
And also without snotty yuppies spouting out about it from their living room couch in order to feel superior.

This chick gets it.

>>6293104
NEVER

ENOUGH

>>6293109
>It's so annoying because Patty was objectively better for Barry than his literal sister, but they had to send her away so they could keep up the forced tension between Barry and Iris.
YES. EXACTLY. She was fucking perfect for him and he was like OH NO GOTTA LIE AND DUMP HER AND SHIT BECAUSE REASONS. Ugh. Shit writing desu.

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>>6293122

I wish were were besties in real life so we could hang out and watch shit cos goddamn, that TV show taste crossover.

>>6293109
>Are you excited for the remake? I'm cautiously optimistic
Not that Anon, but
It's the second time I read about Xena reboot in lesgen, but I barely heard anything about it.
I think I'll keep any levels of enthusiasm until it will be confirmed and cast revealed.

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>>6293109
Very, very, cautiously optimistic. If it's good it will be amazing, but it's so easy to mess these things up. Fingers crossed that's for sure.

Legend of the Seeker is pretty cheesy, but gave some decent Xena vibes.

>tfw Lucy Lawless will never play Wonder Woman
>tfw Bridget Regan will never play Wonder Woman
>tfw we're stuck with a fashion model trying to play an Amazonian goddess.

>>6293131
I want to believe

>>6287487
Super girl anon. I was at a party the other day and this extremely hot lesbian girl wearing a superman shirt walked in and I got scared it was you. If you live in Michigan then you probably saw my tiny nervous les ass.

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>>6293129
Nigga I'd be all about that. I haven't had a good TV-watching buddy since the guy who introduced me to SG1 moved away.

>>6293154
Nope, wasn't me! Although I would like to meet this grill.

>>6293154
How tiny?

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>>6293122
Ohh wow, you will have an awesome time with Xena. Possibly the first girl-girl tv kiss I ever saw was on that show. The last two seasons jump the shark in a few ways, but mostly because you'll be comparing it to the rest of the series up till then.

You're gonna love it I think. Ally McBeal was quite good too in a very different way. Also, watch the 1999 A Midsummer Night's Dream for more amazing Calista Flockhart.

>>6293146
>tfw we're stuck with a skeleton from fashion industry trying to play an Amazonian warrior known for her musculature and ass
FTFY

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>>6293168
Wait, they actually have a gay kiss on the lips? I thought the lesbian stuff in Xena was all subtext.

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>>6293164
If you werent literally on the other side of the world, I'd be right fucking there.

SG1 marathon is go

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>all these people still replying to the supergirl anon that was proven to be a dude/trammy trolling

>>6293176
It's almost all subtext, but gets more explicit towards the end of the series. I don't want to spoil their first kiss, but it's pretty fantastic.

>>6293170
Fuck you're right. DC sucks so hard at movies these days.

>>6293146
>>6293170
That being said, at least Marvel stole actress that played in a pilot episode of Wonder Woman series that never flown far.
And she got Invisible Jet. And still fought with batons, which she was using in that WW pilot, for some reason.

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>yfw you realize Kara and Alex are even less related than Iris and Barry, but will never EVER have a romance subplot

>>6293191
>Fuck you're right. DC sucks so hard at movies these days.
Most hilarious moment with Gal Gadot in general is that scene in some Fast and Furious movie, when she drops towel and walks, with scene trying to imply how hot she is, but every single extra has better ass than she does.

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>>6293184
Dude, SG1 is the best to watch with friends. Damnit, be Californian.

>>6293191
Niiiiiiice

>>6293195
Mockingbird is in my waifu stable. I used to post her constantly before I discovered Our Lord and Savior.

>>6293197
Eh. I've never been on board with Kara/Alex. They have such an adorable sisterly relationship.

>>6293165
Quite tiny. I'm 5'5.

>>6293208
There's no real romantic tension between her and anybody on the show. It seems so tired with James and short guy

>>6293216
You're only 2 inches shorter than me anon, and I'm 1 inch taller than average in the US

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>>6293208

Hell yes, SG1 is great for that.
Especially if they've never seen it before, too. Thebest

And sadly, I am L O N D O N

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>>6293218
After much resistance, I am finally on board with Supercat.

Yeah no she had, like, some decent tension with James at first (mostly because she was adorably crushing) but then it got all weird and now I want him to go away.

>>6293195
Much as I love Adrianne Palicki, I couldn't bring myself to watch the pilot knowing how quickly they canned it.

>>6293208
Kara x Diana all day every day.

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>tfw you're having a great TV discussion in lesgen but you have to go to work
i cri evri tiem

>>6293227
Yeeeeeeeessssssssssssss nothing better than introducing a newbie to the show and watching them slowly realize how amazing it is and get hooked.

Stop being in London. Be in California.

>>6293223
The average for US female people is 5'4". So you're three inches taller than average, and she's one.

>>6293241
Hmm.

HMM I SAY

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>>6293232
The whole weird polygon with Lane and the short guy is just too much.

>I am finally on board with Supercat

You know what? Me too

>>6293247
Oh shit, I'm a giant. Also, bye

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>>6293247
You know it's the best pairing! Who else could handle either of them? There's Barda, but she's mine. All mine! Kara and Wondy are perfectly matched.

>>6293216
*Angry 5'4" noises*

>>6293241
>Much as I love Adrianne Palicki, I couldn't bring myself to watch the pilot knowing how quickly they canned it.
Neither did I, but checking tvtropes on AoS made me learn that. While Invisible Jet and such are not surprising, the fact that Wondy there was using batons instead of lasso is the weird part.

That being said, I liked Alisha more. (Alisha is Inhuman played by stunt double of both Mockingbird and Dottie Underwood from Agent Carter; aka Ginger Ninja)

>>6293278
aww you're like a cute angry lil kitten *pokes tummy*

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>>6293247

Hell yes, that;s the best bit.
When they're like "Okay, I guess we can watch a couple episodes..." and they gradually become "Cool, we have a spare couple hours, STARGATE!"

Good feels.
Man I loved that show so much.
I need to rewatch it.

Have fun at work and not being at home talking to the cool kids, I guess.

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>>6293282
>the fact that Wondy there was using batons instead of lasso is the weird part.

Dollars to doughnuts they did that because making the lasso look good would have cost too much. Her costume also looked super cheap and didn't even fit right.

Supergirl is basically the WW show (and the Superman show) I always wanted though so it's all good.

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>>6293303
That's how I feel about Supergirl having yet to watch Xena.

>>6293102
>one single criteria

The test is a simple rule of thumb, not about having female characters not be one-dimensional, but having female characters not be ZERO-dimensional, i.e. plot devices or set pieces for the male characters. It's something that, once you give it a moment's thought, is really uncontroversial as an issue.

As already noted, it's establishment bias, which is why it needs to be pointed out repeatedly to people in the industry. The majority of casters, writers, etc. being white males means that they envision the majority of interactions as a reflection of themselves, i.e. with white males. Many authors have talked about having to consciously work against this bias when they create characters, otherwise their cast quickly looks and sounds like slight permutations of themselves.

If someone's annoying about pointing it out, then they're being annoying. But that's not a problem of the test or its cultural importance.

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>>6293306
>(and the Superman show)
Given that there is no actual Superman, movies or tv, it wasn't that hard to achieve.

Unless we count Steve Rogers, then we do have someone who at least fits main parts of personality of Superman.

>all those ladies around 5'5
So, optimal height for another woman would be around at least 5'10, like pic related?

>>6293335
I think that characters that are plot devices are still not as bad as OC's that become waifus of writers.
CoughFelicityCough
>directors and screenwriters of Arrow doesn't even talk about new episode script with actors, as they are on the other side of the country, doing who knows what

>>6293337
That's what I mean. I've always wanted to see a faithful portrayal of Superman on TV or in a movie. None has come anywhere near Supergirl though.

There have been a few characters with the personality traits, but to me it's when you mix that personality with someone on that level of power (basically a demigod) that you can tell the same kinds of interesting stories.

>>6293146

What in the name of hell are they wearing? That paper-thin leather cleavaginator makes bikini chainmail look bulletproof.

>>6293344
Fucking Olicity shippers ruined the show

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>>6293335
> The majority of casters, writers, etc. being white males means that they envision the majority of interactions as a reflection of themselves, i.e. with white males

This also leads to the situation where even when they do try to work more realistic diversity into things it can come off as unnatural. Because sure they can decide that a character is black or female, but that doesn't mean they understand or know how to write realistically from their perspective.

I think of the Monty Python guys being asked why they almost never had women in their sketches and when they did it was mostly just them in dresses doing weak pastiches of old British ladies. They just shrugged and said they were a bunch of blokes. They had no idea how to write women, especially them being funny.

>>6293360
I gave up hoping for armour that would appear realistic.
I try not to think about what next show will fuck it up.

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>>6293360
They're basically superheores. They don't need actual armor. It's from the genre of fantasy where the only people who ever have armor are the cannon fodder guards and soldiers that never stand a chance.

>>6293391
Where did you get that picture of supergirl anon from?

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Fucking DISCORD invite - be patient until I can move you to the group. Works for today.

https://discord.gg/012c1utlv0k8bRsXO

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>>6293490

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Speaking of superheroes, I hope that Antje Traue that played Faora in Man of Steel will return to play in some superhero related stuff, because hnnng

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>>6293589
Mmmmm Barda....

>>6292782
That's great an all. But im still not touching a dick.

>>6293693
Ohh of course not. I didn't mean to imply that you should or that that would make you want to or anything else. I can see now re-reading what I wrote that I came across that way without meaning to. It's more there's something about how relatable it felt, that was very interesting. Nothing like the typical picture the straight world is given of lesbian sex, and that was eye opening.

>>6293801
Well we're clumsy. At first when all you want to do is get off, everything is clumsy but after a bit of feeling each others body's and learning how to read the other person, theeen it becomes all hot and sexy.

>>6293812
Sounds like exactly my experience too. Thanks for the link if it was you, or replying if not. You're cool people in here, but I'll leave you to your thread.

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>>6293408
Don't lose hope, anon.

>>6294027
Phasma better have escaped from that trash compactor

>>6293325
I hope Zooey Deschanel plays Xena in the reboot

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>>6294061
That dork? No way. I need someone I can masturbate to.

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>>6294027
Sadly, Gwendolin Christie is the only female allowed to wear functional armor

>no helmet

>>6294361
Also,

>no neck protection

>>6294361

That sword is beautiful, my word.

>>6294442
Yeah, but it's also not realistically constructed. The hilt is far too short for that long of a blade. You'd get rekt if you tried to fight another longsword user with that.

>>6294458
Brienne is so huge it might as well be a short sword

>>6294481
I just looked up the authorized replica, it's too short to be a longsword and seems to be designed around use with a shield. Which is weird

>>6294372

Golden rule of tv/film armor is that main or emotive characters cannot wear helmets, because it either obstructs the view of their facial expressions or makes it hard as hell for the audience to tell who is whom (it's the same reason behind Star Trek's rubber-forehead aliens). That's kinda the only impractical armor bit that's universally acceptable I'd say.

You can of course find historical female-fitted armor from all cultures to see how they dealt with boobage and hippage. Google at your leisure and/or visit your local museum. In short, not much changed in external appearance.

The only difference for women we were taught in Japanese sword drawing (no armor) was that the belt had to secure the sword right on the edge of pelvis, which meant it had to be tied way more precisely and tightly than for men, who had plenty of room for adjustment with their flat hip-to-waist transition. In Japanese fencing, the armor for which is essentially the same style as that in the 18th-19th century, women use the exact same protection on all parts as men. In Western fencing, women (usually) wear plastic boob protectors under the lame.

>>6294549
I just wore two sports bras in HEMA

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>tfw hitting on some tumblr chick i like
>she suddenly gets a gf out of the blue

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>>6294549
>tfw you'll never have two women sword fight for your honor

>>6294626
I'd fight for your honor, whatever that means, anon.

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>>6294638
You will fight topless of course. Tradition must be upheld. I want a weekly spectacle of women dueling.

>"The most intriguing duel ever fought between women, took place in August 1892 in Vaduz, the capitol of Liechtenstein, between Princess Pauline Metternich and the Countess Kielmannsegg. It has gone down in history as the first “emancipated duel” (see the title illustration) because all parties involved, including the principals and seconds were female and because the duelists fought topless. The weapon chosen in the duel was sword. In the third round the princess got a cut on her nose. At the same time as the countess was slightly injured in her arm. The seconds (two other noble ladies) then quickly declared the duel ended and Princess Metternich was declared a victor. The reason why the women came to arms in the first place - they disagreed over the floral arrangements for an upcoming musical exhibition. Interestingly, the confrontation was organized and presided over by the Baroness Lubinska, who had a degree in medicine (a rarity for a woman in those days) and was prepared to treat any wounds incurred. Before the proceedings began, the baroness pointed out that many insignificant injuries in duels often became septic due to strips of clothing being driven into the wound by the point of a sword. To counter this danger she prudently suggested that both parties should fight stripped of any garments above the waist. Since there would be no men present to ogle them...it was simply a way of preventing a duel of first blood from becoming a duel to the death. Certainly, Baroness Lubinska was ahead of her time..."

>>6294690
If I'm fighting with sharpened blades I'm wearing full mail and gambeson at the very least. That shit sounds retarded

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>>6294495

Yeah, most of them in GoT use one-handed swords (which are still called longswords or broadswords btw -- there's no real consistent naming for Euro swords). Lightweight one-handers (without shields) began displacing two-handers for knights and professionals in the late ME as armor kept improving and tactics shifted to finding small weak points in the armor and thrusting through them. Brienne's weapon (and most others in the show) is of course a much heavier one-hander than would be used for that. On top of all that most of the swordfighting in that show is pretty shitty, whether by realism or by stage fighting standards.

Anyway back to my favorite official ship on whom I am currently binging fanfiction.

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>>6294749
I would hypothesize that less armor means less injury. Because you're both aware you're not protected, you're more cautious and vigilant. Wearing a full suit would give you more defense, but also give you the illusion that you can just be reckless and hit harder. Like with football. Early days football had no padding, no nothing. And players were hurt far less. But with the emergence of these big suits they run at each other full force and wind up with serious injuries. By dueling topless you'd at most get a few scratches. Plus your female audience gets boobies.

>>6294790
You can cut to the bone in a limb with a rapier off a glancing blow

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>>6294794
Yes, and? Grow a backbone anon! You're not gonna impress the qt girl you're fighting for if you're afraid of a little appendage loss.

>>6294690
>became septic due to strips of clothing being driven into the wound

That's actually the entire reason why the ancients fought naked. However, once armor became commonplace, the concern for clothing was lessened, and that wisdom was largely forgotten in Europe (so by the 1st century at least draftees without armor fought clothed).

In Germany and Austria in the last decades of the 19th century, getting in a duel and getting a battle scar was absolutely essential to being a man in society, such that young men would either find any excuse to get into a first-blood duel or find organized duels in a fraternity at university (usually they would wear eye and body protection and only aim for the face to ensure that's wear the scar ended up - Nietzsche did this). So with that culture ubiquitous among the young men, it would make sense that at some point a couple young upper-class women would see fit to join in the fun and duel over a trivial matter in a similar fashion. That's how it would appear to me, anyway.

This is just a reminder to watch womens fencing in the Olympics, and not just sabre (which while the U.S. dominates, is kinda boring to watch). The women tend to have much better form than men -- especially the shorter ones. And personally I think fencing uniforms are sexy.

>>6294866
Fencing is just so weak compared to sparring in HEMA that it bores me. HEMA rapier tactics are savage

>>6294690

Baroness Lubinska confirmed closet gay and very sneaky.

>>6294889
She is confirmed genius.

>>6294866
Women fighting is just more fun to watch.

>>6294876
HEMA is the Krav Maga to fencing's Tai Chi

What's that so special about being a lesbian? How can I understand if i'm not bisexual or if lesbians wouldn't be mean towards me because of that? Hmm...

>>6295030
Try again without broken english

>>6295050
Huh? Making me feel ashamed.

>>6295072
I really feel like i'm having trouble in understanding that thing. So... it's about jealousy? Like. It's about feels and romance. It's so complicated ugh. :/

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>>6295074
You should be. Be gone dumbo.

>>6295030
>>6295112
Why do you need to understand anything? Why can't lesbians have something to themselves? Why do you think you are entitled to our consideration?

>>6295138
Hah. Thanks for your help, I guess.

>>6295149
Because it's eating me from the inside, maybe I'm really just dumb :(

>>6295175
It's not that difficult to determine if you're bisexual or not

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>>6295184
Let's not get into this.

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>>6295186

>>6295184
It's very complicated. And I'm loosing my mind, not being able to understand sexuality. I feel like it's hard for me to communicate with other people around me, because of that.

>>6295186
why not?

>>6295186
Do you hate bisexuals?

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>>6295206

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>>6295211
It derails the thread. You get people arguing over semantics, and subjects like that of gender - it can snowball into one pathetic headache.

>>6295206
If you have a question surrounding whether or not you are a bisexual, please go to the bisexual general thread. I'm sure bisexuals know how to determine that.

>>6295223
Like everyone else.

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>>6295228
Not helping, but thnx hun :(

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>>6295223
>>6295228
>>6295206
>>6295242
>>6295232

>>6295249
>no knowledge of the pussy
Not enlightened at all tbqh

>>6295232
>It derails the thread
I have no idea what is this thread about, then.

>go to the bisexual general thread
Meh.

>Like everyone else
Which is?

>>6295249
one step closer.

>>6295260
A lot of lesbians dislike bisexuals because of negative past experiences with them. For example, I've only gone on one date with a bisexual from okay cupid who wasn't already in a relationship with a man at the same time (though the others didn't tell me that until later). So in my anecdotal experience, 75% of bisexual women are absolute scum.

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>>6295280
Don't respond to it.

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>>6295320
Who is this unreasonably beautiful woman?

>>6295280
Yes. And that's why I was asking in the first place. It's just so much hatred towards bisexuals, it kinda feels awkward and makes me feel sick. Maybe you all have more experience than I do, but it doesn't feel right and I can't understand why they keep calling them "scum". It's weird and mean and overwhelming.

>>6285969
> Favourite superhero
The Punisher
Call me an edgelord but I just love those comics more than any of the more traditional heroes. As far as I know there's nothing like a Lady Punisher (that sounds bad, yet arousing) around so I'm to stick with the normal version.

If I possessed any kind of artistic skill at all I'd like to make something along those lines except my character would be a little less grumpy all the time.

>>6295378
The Punisher isn't really all that edgy if you ignore the skull. He just kills killers

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>>6295335
One of my future wives. One of them because I plan to be divorced several times.

>>6295462
Do you think that's the right way?

>>6295393
Yeah, it was all the killing that I thought maybe pushed it into 2edgy territory. I like it. There's something cathartic about seeing seeing awful people punished. It's my vicarious revenge fantasy.

>>6295462
That's going to be expensive.

>>6295462
It's good that you're planning ahead

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>>6295481
Once you figure out how to stop women from being so goddamn addictive, tell me.

>>6295489
>that's going to be expensive
I'm planning on literally ruling the world. I can afford it.

>>6295502
>Once you figure out
You do have a point there.

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>>6295502
>implying you'll be ruling anything without following the OTP (One True Path)

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>>6295529
This board is /lgbt/. No 'A' to speak of.
>tfw even the asexual meme is trying to invade pure love
Will outsiders ever stop being jealous?

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>>6295542
But I'm a lesbian, nazi-chan

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>>6295542

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>>6295548
Naw, you're too dumb. Please leave. This is a peaceful lesbian only space, thanks.

>>6295502
>literally ruling the world

You're going to have to fight me for it.

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>>6295572
I wish nothing but peace and wives for us all

>>6292713
I'm a 23 year old kissless virgin that plays league of losers for 12 hrs a day since my summer vacation started.
I've pretty much given up on my life.
Oh well.

Someone, please help me. My room is so hot that the icing is melting off my cupcakes

>tfw no supergirl freeze breath to save the day

>>6295580
>back pedaling
If you really mean it you would renounce all meme sexualities and devote yourself to the pure worship of the female sex. Any more of that nonsense earlier and I won't hesitate to disown you as interloping trash. Got that?

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>>6295598

>>6295618
You made me proud, anon. And that image looks so much like me its remarkable. Look everyone, everyone look and see. This is a righting if wrongs. You can all learn a thing or two from this anon. Fucking slackers.

>>6295639
pls eat

>>6295648
By retaining my figure of a solid black line, I'm technically a PoC and that keeps me from sjw scrutiny. It's for my own safety.

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>>6295674

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>>6295700

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>>6295783

>>6295783
>>6295951
I may be but small, but I will die a colossus.

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>>6293252
>The whole weird polygon with Lane and the short guy is just too much.
I found Winn more or less okay. At first he was this annoying orbiter type, but then she was like "No pls." and the dude actually built himself a bridge and got the fuck over it. It's rare and refreshing as fuck to see that shit in TV. I like Winn.

The whole James/Lane thing was atrocious, though. I really liked James when he was first introduced, but then with Lucy he became this backboneless little weasel who was too coward to say he didn't wanna date his gf anymore so he LET HER MOVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO BE WITH HIM instead. And then he carried in this weird emotional thing with Kara while stringing Lucy along. Fucking asshole.

>>6293269
I could handle Supergirl, anon. With my face.

>>6293278
This is stupid cute.

>>6293303
YES! That's exactly what it is! And then you get to relive the whole series and proxy off their excitement as they slowly discover that this show is fucking amazing and there are TEN 22-EPISODE SEASONS OF IT.

>>6295378
Punisher's pretty solid.

Mandarin Asian Nazi Qween Anon, is "mandarin" an offensive term? I need ur authoritah.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ann-coulter-calls-asian-american-152700681.html

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>>6296047
>supergirl anon actually reads old posts to make sure she doesn't miss anybody

we don't deserve you

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>>6296061
>asking people on 4chan whether a term is offensive
Nigger, what are you doing?

>>6296072
You can show your appreciation by dressing up like my waifu and sitting on my face.

>>6296079
I don't think I could pull off a supergirl look. Definitely Batwoman, but Kara/Melissa are too pure for me to properly imitate