I can understand why you guys hate Christianity, but why the

I think lgbt as a minority has good reason to tend towards cultural tolerance, but to fail to see the bad side is stupid.

There's a lot of love toward Islam in the LGBT community...? I guess I spend too much time on 4chan and not enough in the real world.

>>5859911
Because the face of the LGBT community today are teenage morons and internet activist, neither of which have anything intelligent to say.

>>5859911
I don't think we completely love or hate either. We recognize that religion in general tends to be bad for /lgbt/, but some of us also realize that Muslims are also a minority that suffers from bigotry. But whenever we talk about homophobic Christians or saying that Islamophobia is a real thing, right-wingers tend to exaggerate and accuse us of hating Christians and loving Muslims.

>>5859947
There's not. It's just an oversimplified narrative OP is stating without explaining ANY context or reasoning whatsoever.

>>5859911
I honestly don't have a problem with islam as it relates to my not being straight. When you get down to it the orthodox of all three of the big religions hate us. Unfortunately islam has these extremely theocratic countries adhering to it (which christianity also used to have). I view some of the tenets of these countries with suspicion, fear and horror. I'm not talking about terrorism either. I don't give a fuck about terrorism, compared to something like car accidents the death toll is minuscule. It's when you string up gay people or beat women to death with stones for adultery and otherwise turn everyday life into a nightmare for some harmless group of people that I'm hostile.

Again, I have no particular problem with westernized, liberal islam (liberal by theocratic standards, not western ones), it's the toxic form that brews in some of these countries that I'm against.

>>5859963
>Because the face of the LGBT community today are upperclass, white, cis, straight, women calling themselves something tumblr-ish
ftfy

>>5859911
I hate them all. Remove the kebab. gas the kike. burn the christ-kuk.

>>5859977
>sweedish far right plans gay pride
>swede left calls it racist

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/sweden-farright-plans-gay-pride-muslim-area-lgbt-150728180328656.html

I can't wait for the EU to fall like Yugoslavia and lead to war and sectarian violence. Remove kebab!

>>5859911
WTF is this meme about a love for Islam in the gay community? I have never met an lgbt person who trashes Christianity and "loves" Islam - ever.

Are people conflating "love for Islam" with respect for individual rights? I don't think it's right to ban Muslims from practicing Islam or block them from entering a country - but that doesn't mean I "love" Islam. Personally, I think it's a filthy, backwards desert religion - worse than Christianity at it's core. I hate Christianity too, but I'm not going to support any policy that favors one religion over another, and I'm not going to impede on people's rights to practice whatever religion they choose as long as they're not hurting anyone.

>>5860096
Because globalist corporations and left-wing post-modernists welcome rape-fugees in the west/

It's not a meme, it's the truth.

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>>5860094
When will our "allies" realize that these third world muslims are no different than trailer park skin heads?

>>5860017
/thread

>>5860102
That's not a "love" for Islam - that's pro human rights - accepting refugees from war-torn countries to "give them a chance at a better life." It doesn't mean lbgt people "love" Islam - it means far-left people are trying (misguidedly) to do the right thing for fellow human beings.

I'm not saying it's right - I'm just saying it doesn't = "lgbt loves Islam"

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>>5860017
>Again, I have no particular problem with westernized, liberal islam (liberal by theocratic standards, not western ones), it's the toxic form that brews in some of these countries that I'm against.

A radical Muslim wants to kill you, a moderate Muslim wants a radical to kill you.

The UK is filled with westernized liberal Muslims... and unfortunately British Muslims are universally homophobic and bigoted.

The majority of British people support gay rights, 76% of UK people in general who think that homosexuality should be accepted by society and 60% who think that gay people should be allowed to marry their partner. When polled ZERO percent of British Muslims find homosexuality morally acceptable and 61% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

Some other fun facts about those moderate liberal Muslims you like so much,

40% of British Muslims support Sharia law.

32% of British Muslims say killing in the name of Islam is justified.

16% of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.

7% of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article729974.ece

And the fact is that the problem is getting worse not better. The younger generation of Muslims (including second and third generation immigrants) are less tolerant and more religious than their elders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540895/Young-British-Muslims-getting-more-radical.html

When looking at young British Muslims aged (aged 16-24), 33% support a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on Sharia law and 36% think apostates should be killed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-432075/Multiculturalism-drives-young-Muslims-shun-British-values.html

>>5860094
The issue there was that the right-wingers were INTENTIONALLY trying to bring these two groups into conflict, and spun the left's disapproval as a sign of being hypocritical. But it's really not, it's like saying you can't be friends with person A and person B if they don't like each other. It's possible to believe that two oppressed minorities deserve support while also acknowledging that they disagree on many basic things.

>>5859911
christianity = war
islam = peace
basically

>>5860163
>The issue there was that the right-wingers were INTENTIONALLY trying to bring these two groups into conflict
If being proud of who you are causes conflict then there's a problem with that bigoted group.
>it's like saying you can't be friends with person A and person B if they don't like each other.
No it isn't. The problem isn't that A and B don't like each other. The problem is that B keeps throwing A off roof tops. If one of my friends kept murdering my other friend I'd stop being friend with him until he got help and was no longer a psycho
>while also acknowledging that they disagree on many basic things.
Acknowledging that they don't believe I shouldn't be killed for being gay is why we fear and hate them.

>>5860163

The regressive left don't love anyone, they just hate white traditional society.

They support LGBT rights as long as they see queers as being opposed to traditional white society, but when we are being killed by brown Muslims then they don't care, because those Muslims are a better enemy to traditional society than LGBT people.

>>5860201
>If being proud of who you are causes conflict then there's a problem with that bigoted group.
Sure, but that sort of situation pretty much exists in every large group. You simply cannot have a whole country in which everyone completely accepts everyone else. That's why we have subcultures and so on.

>No it isn't. The problem isn't that A and B don't like each other. The problem is that B keeps throwing A off roof tops. If one of my friends kept murdering my other friend I'd stop being friend with him until he got help and was no longer a psycho
In this case, I don't think the Muslims were actually going to start THROWING PEOPLE OFF ROOFTOPS. But insisting on having a gay pride parade in the middle of a Muslim neighborhood was intended to force these two groups into open conflict.

The day of the bullet is coming. Before the niggers and sand coons, post=modernists will be the first.

>>5860220
That doesn't make any sense though. They only "hate white traditional society" to the extent that it facilitates oppression of minorities. You make it sound like hating white society is an end in itself, which really doesn't make sense. What do they hope to gain by doing it? I know /pol/ likes to jerk themselves off by saying the SJWs are only ensuring their own destruction through "white genocide" and bringing in "rapefugees". But that would require the entire SJW movement to be incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions, which really isn't a reasonable assumption. It's far more logical to think that a mistake is made in assuming that they inherently hate white civilization.

>>5860273
>post=modernists
>post equals modernists
What?

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>>5860258

lol no.

If the sub-culture who disliked gays was white then lefties would happily hold a gay parade right in the middle of their neighbourhood, while screaming that anyone who opposed them were Nazi's and with anti-fa thugs beating up anyone they could find.

But when the bigots are Muslims then suddenly the left is culturally sensitive and thinks it's OK for people to hold bigoted views.

The truth is that left-wingers are allied with Muslims against traditionalist society and are literally wiling to sacrifice LGBT lives to further their political cause.

>>5860280
Not an end in itself, but the beginning. Destroy the West, then implement communism.

>>5860290
>being this retarded and pedantic

post-modernism, nigger, also known as cultural marxism, or kikery

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>>5860280

Look at the specific parts of white society which are being destroyed.

Two parent traditionalist families, the unified white working class, ethnically and socially homogeneous neighbourhoods. All these things stand in the way of a rapturous class of elites being able to fully exploit the people.

It is no coincidence that the modern left ignores class issues while lionizing mass immigration and SJW/Feminist identity politics. All these things are designed to break the working class into easily controlled chunks.

Instead of a unified working class who can organize themselves politically you have a a mass of disunited people who hate each other and believe that each different group is attacking them and oppressing them.

>>5860305
>If the sub-culture who disliked gays was white then lefties would happily hold a gay parade right in the middle of their neighbourhood, while screaming that anyone who opposed them were Nazi's and with anti-fa thugs beating up anyone they could find.
Maybe SOME leftists would, but the main issue here was that if you have two groups that you know don't get along with each other, you do not GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to push them into conflict.

>The truth is that left-wingers are allied with Muslims against traditionalist society and are literally wiling to sacrifice LGBT lives to further their political cause.
The same could honestly be said of the right-wingers in this instance. They were using gays as pawns to try to promote a cultural conflict. They probably wouldn't care if some gays did get killed, as long as it got people angry at Muslims. Whereas a reasonable person would realize that forcing these two groups into conflict just causes unnecessary harm.

>>5860317
What do they hope to gain by implementing communism? And why is destroying the west necessary to do so? I mean sure, the west has a tradition of capitalism, but it's had aspects of socialism for decades. And a lot of Muslim countries are theocracies, whereas communism is usually atheist.

>>5860324
And what does that mean, specifically?

>>5860349
>the modern left ignores class issues
In America at least, that's not the case - if anything, it's the RIGHT that focuses excessively on immigration. Look at Trump, his whole campaign is about Muslims and illegal immigrants. Whereas to the best of my knowledge, Bernie hasn't focused too much on immigration, his emphasis is more on economic and social issues - and the left in particular still seems focused on things like income inequality, refuting the notion that all poor people are lazy and thus deserve to be poor, and providing subsidized education to promote equality of opportunity.

I don't think the left is abandoning class issues at all. Rather, I think it's being realized that class isn't the ONLY source of oppression, and they're starting to pay attention to things like race and gender. So yes, they're focusing on class less than they used to, but that doesn't mean they're ignoring it.

>>5860391
>In America at least, that's not the case - if anything, it's the RIGHT that focuses excessively on immigration. Look at Trump, his whole campaign is about Muslims and illegal immigrants. Whereas to the best of my knowledge, Bernie hasn't focused too much on immigration, his emphasis is more on economic and social issues - and the left in particular still seems focused on things like income inequality, refuting the notion that all poor people are lazy and thus deserve to be poor, and providing subsidized education to promote equality of opportunity.

Then you having been paying attention.

Bernie Sanders supports a higher minimum wage for citizens, he simultaneously supports turning a blind eye to illegal immigration because these immigrants do jobs 'Americans don't want'.

The truth is that there are no jobs Americans don't want, there are simply jobs that Americans are unwilling to do for the low wages being offered. The reason these wages remain artificially low is due to the supply of illegal labor willing to work below the minimum wage.

This creates wage deflation and decreased living standards. It also weakens the power of unions because illegal immigrants have no solidarity with citizens and will happily strike break.

>>5860460
What precisely do you mean by "turning a blind eye to illegal immigration"? Has he ever actually says he considers it a non-issue? Are his views on illegal immigration substantially different than our last few presidents? I mean, we all recognize that illegal immigration is bad, that's why it's illegal. But I don't think it makes sense to say someone is turning a blind eye to it just because they're not as hard on it as Trump is - after all, Trump's campaign seems to basically revolve entirely around immigration. It's possible to recognize something as a problem without considering that it is the most serious problem we face or that it would be worthwhile to devote our efforts to eradicating it.

>>5860510
>It's possible to recognize something as a problem without considering that it is the most serious problem we face or that it would be worthwhile to devote our efforts to eradicating it.

If you claim to support a law but oppose actually enforcing that law then you don't really support it.

If you are against deporting illegal immigrants then you are not against illegal immigration.

It is also typical of you that you ignore the economic damage that illegal immigration does to the working class.

>>5860561
You can support those laws in principle, yet recognize that devoting time, money, and effort to enforcing them will detract from other areas and ultimately cause more harm than good.

>>5860608

No you cannot.

Look at weed legalization. The people who oppose enforcing drug laws are not arguing that enforcement does more harm than good, they are trying to legalize drugs by the back door.

>>5860670
>Look at weed legalization. The people who oppose enforcing drug laws are not arguing that enforcement does more harm than good, they are trying to legalize drugs by the back door.
Even if true, why is it reasonable to assume the exact same thing is going on with illegal immigration? That's like saying "Look, here's a man that has brown hair! Therefore, all men have brown hair!"

>>5860670
I think there should be a law that people like you ought to pay for their own tendies, but that doesn't mean I think it's worth it to try to mount a political effort just to screw over a few dozen of the saddest NEETs on earth. You have to look at the cost/benefit.

all religion is a waste of time

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We get this thread everyday but I'll answer.

I'm a bisexual ftm, I don't like or tolerate Islam and think anyone who does is a tumblrina fool.

>Inb4 rightwinger
I actually am center-left libertarian, just not blind
>Inb4 overcompensating
No. That's what you're doing by pretending Islam is the religion of peace, thus distancing yourself, somehow, from right-wingers.
>Inb4 #NotAllMuslims
Not all Christians. In fact, way less Christians. The majority of "moderate" Muslims are anti-LGBT, misogynist, pro-life, etc.

>Inb4 sauce
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-morality/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9497796/MusWest_EuroMuslim_Report_POLL_en-US_11-01-10_sa_Web%20(3).pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117003/Honour-violence-acceptable-say-young-British-Asians.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364353/North-African-teenager-stabs-Swedish-transvestite-death-hangs-SNAKE-neck-going-home-discovering-not-woman-wig-slipped.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

>Inb4 bitching

Can you who support Islam just fucking kill yourself already?

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>>5860130
>>5864387
Oh shit nigger, you said it first. Sorry.

>>5859911
>but why the love for Islam in the LGBT community?
stop fucking saying this shit

the LGBT community does not love Islam

>>5864387
funny how people who describe themselves as "center left" here are always chiming in to agree with /pol/

>>5864678
Your masters say so, and until proven wrong, people will associate homosexuals with the sjw faggot crowd.

Do something grand. Pull a Breivik while singing Beyonce.

>>5864717
Funny how people who describe themselves as "liberal" are always chiming in to agree with Marxists and Islamists.

>>5864772
I can't see how being associated with mass murder is any improvement over being associated with SJWs. And in my experience, the only ones who accuse homos of being "SJWs" are the ones looking for an excuse to hate gays anyway.

>>5864776
>Funny how people who describe themselves as "liberal" are always chiming in to agree with Marxists and Islamists.
As for Marxists, well, Marxist ideas influence a lot of the left, but that doesn't mean we want to bring back the USSR and send everyone who criticizes us to the gulag. So it's true, but not really a valid criticism, it's really just an observation. And Islamism refers to the movement to establish an Islamic theocracy, doesn't it? Opposing bigotry directed at Muslims isn't remotely the same thing. You can believe people have rights as individuals, without also believe they have a right to enforce their will on others.

>>5864807
They had no rights. They had no equal ground with white people before you opened the flood gates and allowed these inbred creatures citizenship.

We all suffer, collectively because you dropped the ball and drank the globalist kool aid that the corporations and banks have been pushing for years.

>>5864835
>They had no rights.
Really? So ten, fifteen years ago it was perfectly legal to kill or rob Muslims?

>>5864885
There were no Arab Muslims in the West, at least not this high a number, you stupid fuck. Multiculturalism is a new, modern, corporate bullshit idea, a pipe dream, never was, will never work., regardless of what your pink or purple haired ham-planet social studies college teachers told you.

>>5864927
Well I'm convinced. Evidently the person >>5864885 learned from was fat, so that settles things

>>5864927
>There were no Arab Muslims in the West, at least not this high a number
No, they weren't as common, but the ones who were here had the same rights as everyone else?

>Multiculturalism is a new, modern, corporate bullshit idea, a pipe dream,
What is this "multiculturalism" you speak of? Some kind of vague theory like cultural marxism? Immigration is hardly new or modern.

>>5859911
>why the love for Islam in the LGBT community?
Because our overlords, who are all upper class straight white liberals, say so.

Or are you one of those people who still believe that minorities are actually allowed to speak for themselves?

To put it simply: I tolerate all beliefs. I don't tolerate all actions.

I don't mind if you have a belief. A belief is just a thought. Some people choose to act on thier beliefs, and a bad action isn't acceptable.

I don't quite know how to handle it yet.

>>5865288
I always thought that this anti-Christianity/pro-Islam stance was really discriminatory against the Muslims themselves, when white people rush to their defence yet will shame and chastise the Christian European for holding similar beliefs, as if religion were that thing that the weak and primitive brown people do and their customs should be protected, but the civilized, white European should have gotten over their archaic beliefs because he's European and it's 2016.

>>5865393
Well I don't know what drives these people to embrace Islam like it's the second coming of Christ but they expect us to follow suit, since "they know what's best for us".
And they practically (literally) own the lgbt movement.

>>5864717
Where do you position yourself?

Also let me guess, bi cis female.

>>5866578
bi cis male. Center. Grew up in california and not fond of many parts of the left culture out there.

I don't, I hate them even more than Christians.

I think that the hypocritical hatred of Christianity yet love of Islam stems from resentment. They had miserable childhoods under Christianity, so they see Islam as a tool to destroy their parents' civilization. They don't realize that Islam is even worse for them because they didn't grow up under it, and they're too blinded by their emotional wounds. I just hope enough gays can realize this before it's too late.

like other SJWs they have fallen into delusions

>>5870706
They are idiots. Hitler and Stalin had the right of it.

Gas the kike, burn the krist-kuk, remove the kebab. Suffer not the desert death cults.

>>5859911
I'm Christian, and I'm pretty mich neutral towards other religions. I don't hate nor love Islam. I do hate it when people hurt others because their religion told them so.

>>5873482
>gay
>christian

Drop that kike religion.

>>5864717
/pol/ is closer to center left than the far left is

Everyone sins, all sins are equal (neither is worse than the other) and your sins don't count to your salvation.

Clearly christianity sees you as blasphemous, but all you depressed insecure souls could learn a lot from all religions on a balanced life, on coping with overwhelming circumstances (especially to all the lost suicidal transwomen), and treasured ancient wisdom. Religion is here to give you strength, and some of you need it desperately.

So i urge you to understand it's stance on sexual immortality with a grain of rice and help yourself to the other fruitful pieces that could gravely benefit you.

>>5874635
Define "far left". /pol/ is very much socially conservative.

>>5860130

>
The majority of British people support gay rights, 76% of UK people in general who think that homosexuality should be accepted by society and 60% who think that gay people should be allowed to marry their partner. When polled ZERO percent of British Muslims find homosexuality morally acceptable and 61% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal.

So why doesn't /pol/ love Islam?

>>5875005
Do you even visit /pol/? The majority doesn't mind gays.

>>5873968
>Using the word kike to imply jewishness to christianity without being aware of the origin of the word.

>>5859911
It's tough to deal in generalizations about groups without actual data, but I don't think gay people like Islam more than other groups. Many of us are quite aware that Muslims tend to be extremely hostile to homosexuals.

What is true is that liberals are protective of Muslims, because liberals are always sympathetic towards outgroups and underdogs (and in the West, there is a widespread, often unspoken distrust and fear of Muslims). Gay rights have also been a liberal cause. For this reason, gay people, and especially prominent/visible ones, tend to be seen as liberal, which is why you might think we like Islam.

But in truth gays have no more fondness for Islam than comparably liberal straight people, and possibly less. Many of us feel a definite uneasy about it.

>>5878393
>uneasy
*unease

>>5859911
I'm 100% for kebab removal

>>5875415
That's what they all say.