/femgen/ - Anger Edition

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>>5796358
Wow that girl has broad shoulders.

>>5796358

A boy I knew who looks kind of like this keeps wearing his hair up in pictures and it's breaking mah balls.

Pronouns war!

>>5796384
there is no pronouns war, stop this meme

>>5796389
The war is real. Prepare the Sir nukes.

>>5796327
noice senpai

when was the last time /femgen/ saw another femboy out and about without prior acquaintance?

Why the fuck am I attracted to fem guys and literally no other type of guy? Am I still straight or kind of bi?

>>5796699
No you're a fag.

>>5796699
You like cute shit.
If it's cute, fuck it.

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>>5796358
fuck I want to look like that, close to my type except Im not nearly as fem

>>5796375
eh not really broad, he has tiny skeleton with no hips either

>>5796727
So is it a fetish or genuine sexuality thing?

>>5796835
Instead of worrying about genitals you like feminine things. I think that's just a sexuality thing. It's sensible and "close enough" to straight. You just get the bonus of wanting femboys too.

>>5796843
Ah okay cool. Thanks mate.

>>5796835

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyA2ejSuHc4

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Repost

http://strawpoll.me/6935324


Now with explanation

Future Masc:Eventually grows out of feminine phase into masculine (AKA: Proper male)

Twink: More feminine than a masc but would not consider themselves feminine. Has boyish body, baby face.

Feminine guy: likes to appear feminine, dresses masculine, crossdresses for parody but not conflicted over being male.

Trans-boy or genderfluid: The peter pans of femgen. Does not accept being male but do not consider themselves female. But a lot of times admit to being feminine. 50%+ chance that they might be on HRT to reduce male characteristics.

Reluctant Tranny: Doubts/Conflicts over whether they are a transwoman. does take HRT to be more feminine.

Transwoman: Those that consider themselves born in the wrong sex and wish to become a woman. No conflicts over considering themselves a female.

http://strawpoll.me/6935324

>>5796987
trans boy sounds like ftm

>>5796987

Based on pics, C. I don't act like a bitch, though.

>>5796996

Yeah, this also. A trans-girl isn't a woman who deliberately stunts her growth.

>>5796987
>transboy
fuck off tumblr

>>5796987
Please come up with a word other than 'transboy', as other people have noted that already has a very different meaning. Maybe 'bigender' or 'agender' or 'transfeminine'? Or maybe just drop it entirely and leave it as just 'genderfluid'.

>>5797049
No, remove it from the list altogether

>>5796987
Does anyone else really like that the sentence leading up to the descriptor ends in "an" despite that "a" would be the correct modern article for every option in the survey?

>>5796987
Voted feminine male but I'm taking estrogen, there were other posters who said they do the same last thread. Not wholey accurate desu
>>5797049
Androgyne would work better than trans boy desu

>>5796987
That proper male is anything but.

>>5797049
Tranny-in-training?

>>5797094
"failed male" would be more accurate

>>5797079

>Voted feminine male but I'm taking estrogen

tranny in denial desu

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>>5796996


Do we have to go through this shit again?

ftms who take testosterone have far higher T levels than those who are boys(Defined as pre-puberty)

>>5796987
So let me get this straight. Most people here are straight up trans or trans in denial.

>>5797224
no, someone posted it in /mtfg/

>>5797224
That pretty much sums it up.

>>5797236
What a dick move.

I'm a femme dyke (cis duh) and sometimes check out these threads to see if ya'll talk about fashion or haircare or femme shit but it's usually just the occasional shaved butt pics and wondering if you should grow your hair and hormones.

So, guys, howabout that fashion?
Shirts are pretty cool, huh?

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>>5797304
Tees wit short sleeves and scoop necks are pretty cool.

Knitted outwear is best, though.

>>5797461
ugh i love that shit

>>5797461

I'm ambivalent about pants.

>>5797461
Wow that's gay.

>>5797136
I'm not, don't want to be a girl, just want to look like one (sans the tits)

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>>5797475
That's what makes it perfect.

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>>5797493
>don't want to be a girl, just want to look like one (sans the tits)
Well you can't have one without the other.

>>5797495
Just start dressing like a normal girl already.

>>5797495
>>5797461
>tfw really like this but i have tits and i have to wear big sweaters and hoodies

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>>5797505
>just start dressing like a normal girl already
>normal girl

But I don't want to be one of "them."

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>>5797461


i wonder if i should get a loose knit sweater, forever21 has one for 17 bucks.

>>5797505
is he wearing two hats? what the hell is this tf2 cosplay

>>5797526


Jesus fucking christ does anybody whenever they see pics of beautiful girls , looks at themselves for a moment then compares to themselves and feels defeated and hopeless?

If i was born a cis white girl with middle class parents id be so fucking happy.

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Yames did nothing wrong desu.

>>5797526

>"im not like the other girls xxxx"
Gimme a break

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>>5797526
Give it time. The call of estrogen is insidious.

>>5797542
No that's new FFXIV raiding gear.

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>>5797556
>"im not like the other girls xxxx"
>whips out dick

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>>5797552
How beautiful do they have to be?

>>5797552
No, because I'm not a degenerate tranny freak.

>>5797475
Nah, gay (though very attractive) would be off-the-shoulder boat necks.

>>5797526
is that mandatory uniform? s mh desu

>>5797552
I feel that when I see really beautiful androgynous guys

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>>5797615
You should probably stay away from instagram.

>>5797653


Really disliked stav's awfully deep voice

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Anyone have any hair cut recommendations?

>>5797725

You look like the kind of kid who cuts his wrists more than his hair.
Whats with the mask?

>>5797750
No purpose, just felt like wearing it.

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>>5797562
plx, just cause we snort estrogen doesn't mean we'll go over to the dark side

>>5797725
keep that hair, it's fantastic

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>>5797851
Do you dress up in girls clothes too? Ironically of course.

>>5797725
I'd cut it at shoulder length
How do you keep it so straight? I try all the time with a normal hair straightener after showering and brushing (and drying) but fail miserably

>>5797999
I-I don't! I'm a clean virtuous boy who just likes being cute I swear!

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>>5798062
I don't believe you. You probably have a stash of rainbow colored thigh-highs somewhere.

>>5796999
Is that really meant to be 'Pneumonic' or do you meant 'Pneumatic'? One refers to fluid in the lungs, the other means thrusty.

>>5798055
I use straightening conditioner with a leave in conditioner after I get of the shower, healthy straight hair all day. ^ ^

>>5798062
I bet you often have a prissy thong underneath whatever androgynous clothes you wear.

>>5798224
bleh, i dont like that stuff, i dont even use shampoo, which i guess explains why my hair is strong af but also full of knots just 5 hours after brushing lol

>>5797574
source on qt girl?

>>5798276
>I bet you often have a prissy thong underneath whatever androgynous clothes you wear.

>Tfw use sports bra and boy shorts but it's totally just because they fit your body better that way

>>5798326
Totally.

>>5798189

sauce?

i don't believe those X is trans! anymore unless i find a sauce.

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>>5797079
Yeah the redhead in that categorical photo is pretty accurate for feminine guy though. He's obviously male, but has long hair and wears boy's clothes. Hormones have very little to do with presentation famiglia.

>>5797725
Grow it twice as long then trim the ends boyo.

>>5798326
>sports bra and boyshorts
Yup. Thong rarely because idgaf.

>>5797552
Not at all. Being a cis girl would suck. Femboys are the ultimate manifestation of the male privilege. We infiltrate both male and female worlds and can play either defense; not to mention the realm of sexuality. Normie society is laughable.

>>5798189
Don't understand the appeal of these rainbow thigh-highs that gained such popularity.

>>5797678
His voice is amazing, what are you talking about senpai. Why would he want to talk like a fraudulent scumbag who sounds like someone has a C-clamp around his balls. That's tranny-tier baka.

>>5798496
thigh highs are hot, but I definitely prefer regular striped ones to the rainbows

>>5798496
>Femboys are the ultimate manifestation of the male privilege. We infiltrate both male and female worlds and can play either defense; not to mention the realm of sexuality. Normie society is laughable.
Designated tranny.

>>5798544
Ayy It's okay if you have to call everyone a tranny in order to feel better about yourself desu. You'll be okay!

>>5798544
/mtfg/ faggot spotted
put your trip on so I can filter you

>>5798189
nice balding

Disgusting tranny here. You're all beautiful boys. Whatever if some are Trans idc just keep being soft beautiful cute fem men. It's lush.

Invade over. Keep it sexy.

>>5798870
Thanks love. I'm getting tired of all the hate between the two groups. Why can't we all just be pretty together?

>>5798870
Please immolate.

>>5798701
It's kind of cute, actually.

>>5798870
Right?

A pretty boy just brightens everyone's day. Keep on being beautiful, boys. Your adherence to this virtue deserves highest praise.

>>5796358
These femgen images are just getting closer and closer to being mtfs

>>5798913
I've sometimes had thoughts of starting a combined /transfem/ general thread as a joke, although honestly it'd be nice if there could be a place where feminine people of whatever type could hang out without identity witch hunts. I don't know if either group would go for something like that, though.

>>5798937
closer than when we had andreja in the OP which has already happened?

>>5798951
good idea desu

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>>5798960
I was referring to the OP imges more from a year or so ago.
>>5797461
Too bad it's summer here. It's 40 degrees right now

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>>5798996
>fashion
>practical

Pick one.

>>5799014
>implying that top belongs anywhere other than a Tim Burton movie

>>5798951
That would be a wonderful idea, but it would be hard to keep participants from just being shit to one-another. Still, it's a thing I badly want to exist.

HRT made my benis so soft it's unbelievable

>>5799096
ikr it's so fuckin cute
and the ORGASMS

>>5799120
Yeah
Just playing with your nipples reduces you to a drooling retard mess soon enough. It's incredible

>>5799150
I can literally cum from my nipples being sucked on now, I can't even explain how great it is

>>5799364
>TFW jaye will never bite your boy boobs

>>5798996
Now that top on that body is very cute in a softly alluring sort of way.

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>tfw hair is starting to fall out

I'm not getting on HRT, how to fix pls.

>>5798951
That would be awesome. I mean both are groups of people assigned male at birth who are persecuted by society because they want to look feminine and have so much in common they could talk about, you would think it would take more than labels and pronouns to make them hate each other. It's like the Robbers Cave experiment where the scientists want to study intergroup conflict between 2 groups of boys, they had a list of things they planned to do to promote conflict, but step one - just separate them into two groups - was more than enough.

>>5798951
Femininity Appreciation Thread?

>>5797574
ayy lmao

>>5799425
Spiro, Proscar

>>5799425
I'm trans but with cis mpb, just use the big three.
5% rogaine, propecia, and 2% nizoral shampoo. Take biotin supplement, eat healthy. Thats all you can do.

>>5799425
pay for hair implants before it gets too bad, and then do a touch up like once every several years

there are really good hair implant procedures. it's going to cost a lot of money but if you go to the right specialist it's guaranteed to work

>>5799425
finasteride nigger

>>5798951
there's a reason why there are like 14 different generals on this board, anon. while there's overlap, there are significant differences and those separate threads exist so your niche can discuss them without being overrun by things that don't apply to you.

y'know, like coming to /femgen/ to discuss being effeminate without being drowned in talk of hrt and passing.

>>5799489
dont do this until you have considerable loss or else you will have a weird hairline.

>>5796987
as a reluctant tranny I approve of this ^_^ lol

anyone else here make the jump from chub to slender?

halfway through dropping from 238 to 172

>>5799364
I can cum from a combination of my nipples being touched and riding a dildo desu

>>5799150
can you stop this propaganda please

>>5799120
Do I need to stop masturbating for that to happen? As it stands I masturbate about 4 times a week and while much softer than before, my orgasms just feel weaker. Do I need to be penetrated or something now?

>>5799484
>I'm trans
>propecia

why?
you are already on AAs you shouldn't have any test to be converted to DHT

>>5799406
I like it because it gives a hint of nipple

>>5799406
it's trashy

>Gonna wear a thong to uni tomorrow and go buy more panties after classes.

Quite excited desu. Ultimate fantasy is that someone notices it while I'm in the library and follows me into the bathroom.

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>>5796358
>YFW you realize you can just handwave any scrutiny over the weirdness in your body by fibbing and saying it's cause some intersex disorder
So, anyone think it's gonna fool in a long term relationship? Good or bad idea to note in online profile?

>>5799778
>Ultimate fantasy is that someone notices it while I'm in the library and follows me into the bathroom.

that kind of porn irl stuff would happen way more often if it weren't for std's :(

which is why i want to make low-budget campy porn with goofy premises like the stuff that was more common in the 70's. it's the closest thing i can do to actually experiencing all of the weird high-risk fantasies i have

>>5799824
That sounds kinda fun and cute actually. I'd enjoy doing that with peeps.

And yeah it's really depressing, all my fantasies are ruined by the worry of disease.

>>5799789
i don't think it's healthy to do that in a long term relationship. maybe just say you're male on your profile and let your appearance do the talking for you. most people don't know anything about hrt so they'll probably just assume you're a hermaphrodite or something like that. the last guy i had sex with expected me to have a vagina

>>5799836
>the last guy i had sex with expected me to have a vagina
Hilarious, story please.

>>5799847
>story please.
i went on grindr last week and told this guy i wanted to blow him. so he came over and then he asked me if it was okay for him to touch my junk. i said sure, but then i asked him why. he responded that he thought i might be self conscious about it because he assumed i was an ftm or a female crossdresser and that i didn't want guys to know i had a vagoo

>>5799720
i'm not that anon, but i'm still taking fin because i have a prescription for it, and because i haven't found documentation that bica negates the effects of DHT. it probably does but i don't want to run the risk

>>5799683
Possibly yeah, I only masturbate about once a fortnight at most now 'cause I don't feel the urge as much and idc about dick shrinkage. But when I do cum it's about twice as good as pre-skittle orgasms. Personally I just >perineum rubbies but sure penetration might help you, experiment.

>>5799864
after i clarified that i actually have a peen he asked me if it was ok that he thought of me as a chick. i said sure and that is apparently how you cross the line from femboy to tranny but w/e as long as i get 2 b kawaii

>>5799720
as long as you have balls you will still have testosterone stored in your body which tries to turn into DHT and then balding. You don't have too depending on your rate of loss but if your an already balding ftm I think you should take Dutasteride which is even stronger.

>>5799898
>>5799864
Do you have tits though, how do you deal with people scrutinizing that? What do you dress like?

>>5799917
i do have tits, yeah. tbqh i thought maybe he would assume i had gynecomastia -- which was dumb because they really don't look like moobs but i figured he would think "penis+short hair+not wearing women's clothing+on grindr=guy" and so he would think i just had really bad bitchtits -- but even before he saw that i had tits he assumed i was a woman so that never even entered his mind.

normally people don't scrutinize them though. anyone who's close to me knows i take estrogen, and most other people keep to themselves

>What do you dress like?
i just wore shorts and a t shirt. my hair is short, too

Any links to descriptions of effects of taking anti androgens and/or estrogen?

>>5799484
I don't see why rogaine and nizoral shampoo are necessary if I get on fin. Fin is supposed to stop the DHT conversion, so why would I need Nizoral shampoo and rogaine?

PS: my hair isn't insanely falling out, just noticed some thinning on the hairline

>>5799996
since it causes temporary or short term hair gain, it might hold you over until the effects of the fin become visible, which will take many months

>>5799996
if it's just thinning on the hairline and nowhere else then it might stop at some point and stay there for years (it's what's called a "mature hairline" and most guys in their 20's or older have it). that started happening to me when i was 15 and i instantly panicked about going bald. i never did and 7 years later most guys my age have the same hairline i do, so it's probably not worth worrying about unless you're thinning in other places besides just your hairline, or if your hairline gets ridiculously high

>>5799995
>>5790862

>>5799995
google it faglord

>>5800000

>>5800024
if you're going for a fem look though and you have a high hairline you have to be careful about how you style it. you don't want the hairline to be obvious, because it implies being a fully matured male

>>5799916
typically mtfs reduce test to lower than genetic women, either production is off or - with bica - the androgen receptors
if you are doing everything right and monitoring your levels you shouldn't need finast, saves you from side effects and some money too
at least in theory
>>5799865
bica is used as hair loss treatment too, but I didn't read much about it, maybe you could talk to your endocrinologist if you are doing it officially

>>5800185
>officially
lolno

maybe some day but it's a huge pain in the ass to get in with psychs, who aren't even guaranteed to be sympathetic to femboys, and then getting a doctor who won't push the spiro meme

>>5800185
dermatologist can prescribe finasteride for hair loss as well

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>been thoroughly enjoying autumn and winter
>not accustomed to wearing anything other than layers and big sweaters
>gonna be sweltering t-shirt weather soon
>gonna have to wear sports bras all the time now
>gonna have to wear shorts and expose my shaved girly legs if it's too hot out
>i'm going in lads... wish me luck

The first real seasonal test of femmitude is upon me... and you.

>>5800274
my boytitties are starting to get noticeable x_x
that's all i'm worried about. i mostly would wear thin shirts and it gets really fucking hot here.
nobody comments on shaved girly legs though, been wearing shorts for a while

>>5799445
>>5798951
I'm here to be the change, and created /femorfgen/ (/femtfgen/ is more prosaic, but I didn't want to offend femboys with the implication). Come here if you want to talk about dressing feminine and don't want to pick a label and insult the other one.

>>5800287

What happened to the femgen pastebin?

>>5800314
http://pastebin.com/NjzPGksR

>>5800307
Mine are barely A-cups but if I am only wearing a thin t-shirt, my nipples poke through. People would be like "mate why the fuck are your nipples so hard its hot as hell out here." The legs thing isn't really a big deal I guess.

>>5800274
>going to florida over break
the challenge is upon us

>>5800341
Wut so am I... I want to swim and hot tub, but I think i'm just going to have to pretend I'm a fat slob and wear a black t-shirt, even though I'm slim.

>>5800353
wow what a coincidence, people go to florida when it's cold

but really are you in the skype group by chance

>>5800363
yup yup

>>5800373
then we've probably already talked about it

troy?

I understand queer memes just fine I just don't like to use them. I like my memes.

>>5800378
Nope lol I haven't actually been active in the skype group for a long time. I don't sign into it very often.

>>5800413
oh alright, whatever then

>>5796024
tfw you've been wearing girls' pants for years because because you're a sub-30-inch waist and all mens' pants are just way too baggy to look qt.

>>5800569
dude was a tranny the second he started tucking.

also, tailored jeans. you don't get perfect fits off the rack.

>>5801370
how much do you pay for tailored jeans?
and what jeans should you tailor?
and how do you find a good tailor?

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>>5799847
>>5799978
Inb4 that comic mtfg drew about femboys getting mistaken for unpassing FtM

>>5801541
how are there comics for such amazingly specific situations

what are some sites where i can look at qtbois for hours? i need my fix
(i prefer mildly andro guys like frank wolf than the really fem ppl that are normally on the OP)

>>5801560
Because the vast preponderance of humanity is petty, vain, and dull.

>>5801582
I like ppl

>came so hard I think I sprained my kegels

whelp

>>5802181
That's fucking hot.
How were you stimulating yourself to get to that point?

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>tfw epilating for the first time

>>5802451
I know how it feels. My legs literally bleed and scar when I epilate.

I'll stick to shaving.

>>5802507
>My legs literally bleed and scar when I epilate.

that happened to me too and i'm still healing from when i stopped epilating almost a year ago

>>5802507
Mine just make me look like a grocery store chicken

>>5802507
>>5802516
>>5802524
Maybe you are doing it wrong?

>>5802618
No.

>>5802662
Are you absolutely sure? Femboys aren't known for their ability to follow instructions.

>>5802688
I've tried everything.

>>5802688
yeah

if you have really sensitive skin epilating isn't a good idea

i only recently figured out a way to shave my body that finally works without causing irritation (using a safety razor, adding a bunch of baby oil to a warm bath, sitting in it for a few minutes, covering my body in baby oil, not going against the grain, and then when i'm done cleansing my entire body with cetaphil liquid cleanser for sensitive skin)

>>5802709
naked shemale covered in oil [74% thumbs up] 763,000 views posted 1 month ago

>>5802696
I guess it's tough having a steel-wool like hairs.

>>5802709
That's sounds awfully... erotic for the lack of a better word. And time consuming.
How long does smoothness lasts?

>>5801448
You want it for cheap? Go to uniqlo, they tailor free in store and the only difference in their skinny boy jeans and girls jeans is an inch of crotch space and pockets

>>5802507
Epilating fucks my shit up so bad senpai :(

>tfw you get a cute girl stomach
yessss it's a dream come true
thank you estrogen :3

>>5802762
estrogen-sama uwu

>>5802743
>How long does smoothness lasts?
i shave every day to every other day. it takes a while but i like taking baths anyway

>That's sounds awfully... erotic
:3

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>tfw gender identity disordered
>have long debate with therapist about nature of transgenderism
>settle on it being a discrepancy between brain and body
>brain is female dimorphised prenatally, body is masculinised bc of XY
>can't change neurological structures
>also can't change biological structures
>HRT is damaging because of being XY
>not taking HRT is damaging because of dysphoria
>end up thinking about judging people by personality vs appearance
>homosexuality is neurologically similar to GID
>what if homosexuality and GID are just different degrees of the same thing
>manifestation of cross sex behaviours
>liking men is objectively feminine
>trans people express more feminine behaviours and feelings than gays
>have a correspondingly more feminized brain
>come to the conclusion that just because my brain is feminine doesn't mean I have to destroy my body to match it
>accept masculine body and feminine brain as both being true
>don't transition and just be a really girly guy
well I guess blanchard was right after all, this is where I belong.
does my logic seem alright? I wish I could be a grill but it's biologically impossible and attempting to do so causes damage to my body, such as increased cancer risk, heart problems, osteoporosis, etc

what the fuck am I supposed to do
>stupid pic cause I need attention

>>5802820
>i shave every day to every other day
Shieeet. Guess I'll sick with vaseline when running.

>>5802958
ultraman is pleb
get out of here

>>5803001
>reeeeeeee

>>5801579
someone answer me pls

dae ever fantasize about being sold as a concubine to a middle eastern prince built like a stallion in a magical land full of castles and magic and strange alien races and then after a day of realpolitik followed by fending off an ambush on his way home. he sits back and to destress he calls you over to service him. as you take his massive, throbbing cock in your mouth you nervously glance up at him to see all his pent up stress apparently melting away. after he cums he asks you a vaguely personal question. he continues to confide in you and asks you to sit in his lap. for the next few hours you take your place by his side as staff pop in and out, reporting to him and hanging on his every word. you can't help but bask in the presence of such a handsome and powerful man, and you feel a swell of pride knowing you're his

Who here has ever ordered from QHI?
I just made an order and was wondering how long it takes for a shipment to be recived?
Does anyone have experience with this?

>>5803074
shut the fuck up idiot

>>5803074

Idk what your talking about but the roman emperor nero literally castrated a boy, raised him as a girl and made him his wife

>>5803108

Jesus christ wtf dude, QHI is expensive once you convert the currency. Why not use inhousepharmacy? Where do you live?

>>5802696
Have you tried epilating in a warm/hot bath? worked for me, no more blood, bumpy red itchy spots either

>>5803146
Dunno the things I bought didn't seem expensive..

>>5803303
My epilator is waterproof so I tried a shower. Made no difference.

>>5802958
increased risks are marginal at best (besides liver damage)
choosing to forgo the mind's comfort and sanity in favor of a miniscule amount of bodily integrity is dumb; why favor the meatsack you dislike over the mind you are?

>>5803376
because the mind is an illusion, an abstraction created by the flesh. if one day I could load my mind or brain into a robot or computer then I'll present as female, but to do so with a male body would be to reject reality in favour of fiction

>>5796358
>▶Skype: Post your Skype, and someone from the group will add you.
my skype is alex.bosch1993

https://clyp.it/r5wtyslw
>faye posts his voice
>getting a crush on a tranny
I don't want this feel

>>5803418
but it's an abstraction that is... you. changing the body that isn't you (your legs, your arms, your torso) even to its detriment in favor of the body that is you (your brain) is the most logical thing to do. surely living with your brain and body in conflict -- and yes, they will conflict -- will do more harm to your self than anything else?

>>5803510
I disagree. what if I wanted to cut off an arm or a leg instead of my penis? that's not morally ok, and it's correctly identified as psychotic behaviour and treated as such

>>5803519

Its possible to replace a penis with an artificial vagina.

Plus without the penis then since the testes are part of the thing that is surgically removed then testosterone is no longer produced and pumped in the body.

>>5803543
but it's nonfunctional, it's not a real vagina any more than a prosthetic hand is a real hand. it's a pitiful attempt at emulation, not a valid course of treatment

>>5803519
is it not morally ok? if it's what the person truly wants, and it would make them more comfortable existing in this world, then is it not right to allow them their bodily autonomy?

>>5803108
they take ages to dispatch, up to a fortnight, but then (at least for me in the UK) it arrives within 3 days

>>5803474
fuck

>>5803557
no, it's fucking lunacy. we do not let the patients run the asylum. if someone wants to cause harm to themselves that is a bad thing, especially on the scale of cutting of a functioning limb. do no harm, etc. If a provider allows or encourages a patient to self mutilate they would be sued to kingdom come, and rightly so.

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>>5801370

Inguinal tuck = tranny. Tight undies = femboy.
Also why would I want to pay extra and go through the hassle of having my shitty guy pants tailored when I can fit into girls' pants perfectly? No one has time for that shit.

>>5802958

Why do you consider HRT so "damaging"? If you're a relatively healthy person, the "risks" are negligible, unless you're just scared you'll regret taking them. >>5803376 is quite right.

So what if your mind is an illusion? It's not going to be dissipating any time soon.
>reject reality in favour of fiction
This is the basis of living happily. Why do you think art is so popular?

>>5803588
>unless you're just scared you'll regret taking them.

HRT heavily outweights the "negatives". I don't give a fuck if my penis isnt as big as before when erect but my bodyhair grows much slower, facial hair wont grow back after laser since theres no testosterone to send signals to replace the dead facial hair roots. Also a lot of people in femgen complain about growing tits when even skinny fat guys have bigger tits than those that come after taking HRT.

>>5803575
i disagree. if one demonstrates through a psychiatrist or two that this is a recurring, constant desire, uncurable by anything but an amputation, that it would make them a lot happier, and that they're certain about it, who is wronged when the limb is cut? certainly not the limb itself, and certainly not the person.
it's a similar situation with HRT and trans surgeries, though not as extreme, and we've already concluded through medical consensus that these desires are indeed uncurable by any other method. there is nothing wrong with doing with one's body as one wishes.

>>5803588
>If you're a relatively healthy person
I'm not though, but I did concede that HRT wasn't as previously damaged as I had thought. I have a number of other health issues that I'm working on.

>This is the basis of living happily.
fuck that, says who? my happiness is based on helping my family and my community, doing what makes me happy and improves and enriches me, the people I care about, and the community which I am in. rejecting reality makes it impossible to improve, because you can always just play pretend. Art is popular not because it allows an escape from reality, but because it helps people explore their thoughts and understanding of reality.

unless you spend all your time watching anime, in which case yes that is degenerate as fuck

>>5803611
kk I get it hrt isn't that bad

>>5803625
>who is wronged when the limb is cut? certainly not the limb itself, and certainly not the person.
are you fucking insane? seriously? the patient certainly is harmed, they lose a fucking limb ffs.
http://www.bioethics.net/2015/11/can-clinicians-maim-healthy-organs-the-case-of-jewel-shuping/

if you can't see what's wrong with cutting off a perfectly healthy limb then you are blinder than the patient described in the article above

>>5803611
Yeah I agree that it's definitely worth it, so long as you actually aren't just a poser/lurker.

>>5803645
I was speaking metaphorically. Obviously being a shut in and pretending you're a character in a tv series is not healthy. I meant being able to live happily through creating your own world that is part of reality. You can do all those things you mentioned and still live as contentedly as you can. One could say you're living within your own fictional tale.
>escape from reality, but because it helps people explore their thoughts and understanding of reality.
One could argue that these easily can be conflated to produce the same effect. Perhaps I'm just a failed romanticist sad sap. My point in all this is that you should be living for yourself first and foremost, and in doing so you'll enrich the lives of those around you. Long-term, living in intense conflict between your mind and body is going to be catastrophic.

>>5803704
I agree with you, I think I'm honestly just more pessimistic haha

>tfw getting warm enough for the summer femboy wardrobe
>put on crop top I could wear just find last year
>fucking tits make the front hang away from my ribcage all baggy and untidy-looking
I actually like the boyboobs desu but this annoyed me, none of my shirts look smooth and fitted anymore

>>5803725
just fine*

>>5803725
>summer wardrobe
>not wearing a sports bra

>>5803519
Not the same, e with boys is statistically harmless and it unregulates immune function and telomerase. Castrati also lived longer so in theory it's an improvement from a nonreproductive standpoint.

http://www.bu.edu/news/2015/03/03/study-finds-hormone-therapy-in-transgender-adults-safe/

It doesn't put its users on disability, so twinks on e is no more wrong than women taking contraceptives. Especially not when those contraceptives are far more dangerous.

>>5803757
>those boyboobs
CUTE!!!!!

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>>5803759
cool so I can stay on hormones and not be super anxious about my health
just my ugly boat race :c

>>5803757
probably judging by those strong manly arms lel, you shouldn't have any problems picking anything up :^)

Never had a gay thought in my life before I was 12, living up to the stereotypical "back woods" kinda guy.
Hit puberty early, saw gay porn, started experimenting.
Stopped growing at 5'6", feminine features such as wider hips n' all.
Decided at 15 I was a twink, twonk, femboy - fucking idk. I don't care much for these names.
I have a pretty feminine face, eye liner and all that jazz helps, but without makeup I look like a feminine guy.

Sometimes I feel as if I forced myself into doing gay shit. The idea that this is my body type, so lets fulfill that "sissy destiny".

I guess it's the reality that I made the decision to dive deeper and deeper into this feminine culture that catches me off guard sometimes.

Opinions?

>>5803759
>telomerase
oh shit senpai does HRT affect telomerase? if so then it's no wonder folks like Jaye or Jamie Clayton look so good at almost 40, the god-tier ageing thing isn't just a meme

I'm so glad I believed the hype and got on skittles

>>5803776
>strong manly arms
Kek if only they were more toned

>>5803789
>that skin
brb ordering hormones

>>5803789
>if boobs are too big just look weird imo
Why the bra then?
also you look femboy as fuck, what did you look like pre-HRT may I ask?

>>5803806
I was trying it out. And press hrt looked similar, just not as soft skin. Really all it did was make my skin softer and give tiny boy tits. My boyfriend freshman year was into femboy and though I had potential so I looked into it and got hrt. Honestly besides being infertile I think it's not a problem. I like dick too much, honestly no point wasting time with women.

I could try finding a pic if you want.

>>5803832
I'd think your face would get chubby
you probably dont have calories proficit for that

>>5803772


repost pic pls that person deleted it

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>>5803873

>>5803883

boring

>>5803886
What were you expecting? Fully developed breasts? You don't get that with HRT.

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>>5803793
just kidding lel, iktf when having skelly arms but still not feminine looking arms

also who else /shittyprofile/? how the fuck do I fix my ugly face goddamn

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>>5803873
Here. I blacked out his face for privacy.

(Pan: If you want me to delete this, just say so and I will.)

>>5803832
>literally the bf-pushing-you-to-feminise fantasy in real life
that sounds incredible

>>5803883
jesus not a single blemish. your skin looks like milk. would suck and nibble 10/10 times

>>5803907
start a bar fight and get headbutted in the nose!
you look like a woman anyway

>>5803832

Imagine your bf shows off his dyke looking gf by taking your pants off so everybody can see your penis.

>>5803911
That's cool thanks.

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>>5803946
holy fuck have you been surrounded by ugly women or smth? that is clearly a man's profile

here's a head on pic, I changed the brightness around cause I'd had a lamp on that was way too bright and I cba to take another pic rn

as for the nose, I've been punched in the face at least once or twice, not to mention being hit by kickballs in the face and stuff, I think I might've broken my nose somewhere along the way

>>5803984
You look pretty androgynous based on this photo. Not sure if that's what you're going for. Assuming you have a deep voice, you just strike me as a feminine gay guy.

>>5803984
By far the worst thing is the dark circles around your eyes, wear some dark eyeshadow to obscure them if concealer doesn't work. sometimes I put a tiny little bit of black lipstick on both eyelids and smear it to hell with wet tissues for a smokey kind of look, make sure the shape of it is good. Your hair also looks kinda greasy/unkempt... I think it might look good in a ponytail imo, give it a try.

>>5803999
>deep voice
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Xljxqe7bKJ

>>5803979
btw do you have any facial hair and how do you deal with them?

>>5803984
nah and Im not even trying to sugarcoat it - could do with less chin and fixing the nose - but your face looks nothing like a mans face cause of the fem fat

>>5803777
i've wondered the same things about myself

i'm not sure there's any way i could possibly have pulled off a masculine look. it's way easier for me to pull off being cute than it is for me to be aggressive or manly

but then i look at ftm's and butch girls who, at their most repressed, were actually really cute fem girls. but then as men or butch women they pull off being masculine, suave, or even ruggedly handsome. so idk

if you really wanted to be masc, deep down, wouldn't you be able to do it? you'd be short, but a lot of women are shorter than you and they wouldn't mind if you had the right kind of masculine sensuality. i can't speak for you but i don't think i could ever live like that no matter how hard i tried

>>5804011
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Xljxqe7bKJ

Lots of cis nerd-women have a slightly deep voice compared to women, Your fine.

>>5804011
Ambiguous af tbqh. Sounds like a high-pitched guy or a low-pitched girl. You voice is not a determining factor at all, so use your looks to steer how you want to be perceived.

>>5804010
I normally wear it in a ponytail or down, that was actually right before I went and took a shower haha, it's not usually nasty like that.

as for the dark circles, I don't have any makeup and I don't know what kind to get or anythingg, I'm trying to improve my diet and shit and see if that helps

>>5804020
chin is family, my mum and dad's sides both are fairly large chinned/foreheaded. half austrian/british so not really gonna have a small chin. I'm too poor to get nose surgery

>>5804028
then why did someone in group therapy refer to me as a guy? checkm8 gaytheists

>>5804034
>group therapy

Group therapy for what?

Don't tell me its for those dumb "LGBT-support" meetings.

>>5804034
Are you trans? I'm confused as to what your goals are here.

>>5804049
dialectical behaviour therapy, primarily for people with borderline personality disorder

>>5804057
yeah I have GID but idk if I want to transition because it doesn't seem ethical or reasonable to support a delusion that is in direct conflict with reality. The reason I'm here is cause I think I might just stay as a fem gay guy instead of transition

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>>5803907
>>5803984
You look great from the front. But the side... yeah.

>>5804075
>wewlad.jpg
>not
>ewwlad.jpg
step it up

yeah, if I could fix my nose and the bags then I would have a lot more self esteem. I can't afford to fix my nose and I'm working on the bags.

a-at least I'm not chris chan, r-right?

>>5804068
Well you'll pass in my opinion, but you need to decide if living as a girl full time is something that's going to make your life better. I know someone who thought they were trans and lived as a girl for a few months, but couldn't shake the feeling that they were just a huge phoney, which gave them serious anxiety, so they went back to just being a fem guy and now they're much more relaxed. Not saying that's the case for you, but it's something you should consider.

>>5804034
>I'm trying to improve my diet and shit and see if that helps

there is no escape from the dark circles!
i have it really bad and nothing grom traditional remedies helps, but Im also very skinny with little face fat

>>5804115
>couldn't shake the feeling that they were just a huge phoney
see this is what I'm having, like I know how I feel about my gender identity but then presenting as female feels like I'm faking it because I know biologically it's not true, it feels like I'm lying to the world.

not necessarily bc I am not female neurologically, but because transitioning feels an awful lot like playing dress up on halloween, despite the fact that I'm obviously a lot more emotionally vested in the costume it still is a costume at the end of the day

>>5804117
sheeyit well I'll look up makeup or smth then

>>5804075
>>5804088
you seriously don't look that bad, at worst you look plain. get some simple black eyeshadow and let's see you with your hair washed and tied back, too.

>>5796358
>The losers at /mtfg/ are constantly invading this thread to try and convince everyone that we're all secretly trannys. Don't fall for the tricks of those sad and miserable failures.

._. o-okay then...

>>5804282
I didn't even notice OP added that to the post. It's okay, most of us don't mind if you come here as long as you drop trip and don't shitpost too much.

>>5804294
lol i figured it was a random asshole, was wondering why this thread popped up when i searched for mtfg then saw that.

>>5804282
get out and don't come back

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>>5804313
>Leave now and never come back!

>>5804313
oh Q^Q k then...

Trannies are to /femgen/ what muslim refugees are to Europe.

>>5804326
>emotes
>trip
>girlname
leave

>>5804342
>tfw mtfg refugee
i just call myself a femboy at this point to not be compared to some of the people on there

>>5804365
*clings to senpai* protect me from them please...

>>5804402
>*clings to senpai*
seriously fucking kill yourself

>>5804443
its so easy to piss people off here with something like that lol

>>5804342
actually all femboys are muslim

>>5804451
As a femboy who says shit like that a lot, i think it's only pissing people off because of your trip. we are serious here about our anonymity.

>>5804466
ah, k then. well i promise im not one of the bad trips, i swear

kate if u get rid of ur trip u can b a long-haired femboy with boobs if u want

Am I weird for liking the shrinkage aspect of HRT? is it weird for me to want the tiny feminine penis that can't get hard but still want to be boymode?

>>5803588
>Inguinal tuck = tranny. Tight undies = femboy.

he said he was wearing panties and tucking. I don't see what point you could possibly have to argue with my assertion. and if you have time to shop, you have time to see a tailor. your point is one of laziness.

the rest of your post is just trans-denial. if you're on hrt and you're not trans, you need to seek help immediately.

if i want to start hrt (selfmed) what dosages should i take if i dont want a dead dick and tits

>>5804481
that's kinda not how it works
the whole reason our general is less shitty than mtfg is the lack of trip culture, if we give you folks an inch you'll take a mile- if not you personally, then others following your lead

>>5804540
see a therapist. unless you live in a swamp, there will be one near you with adjustable rates that may even be covered or assisted by your health insurance.

>>5804561
id rather not lie about being trans to my therapist

>>5804537
My point is one of efficiency. I could either wear girls' pants that fit, or buy guys' pants that don't fit and then go get them tailored to produce the same pair of pants I can just buy in the girls' section/stores.

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>>5804141
well, here you go with the hair back and everything, it's still a bit wet from the shower.

congrats on making me post what is the worst, least flattering picture of me I've ever taken
>pls no bully

>>5804572
I didn't ask you to lie, and you shouldn't. Chances are you're suffering from dysphoria, are actually trans and they can help guide you down the path you should be on. If you're ultimately not trans, maybe the two of you can get to the bottom of why you want to chemically nullify your masculinity for the sake of not having to shave and maybe find a better way for you to express your gender identity.

>>5804578
Even women's pants can be tailored if you want the perfect fit. Shut up and stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>5804542
ah kk, makes sense i guess

>>5804601
i want to be cute and girly but i dont want to fully present as female and i have no problem living as a male

i just want more. what i want most is smooth skin

>>5804601
I didn't say anything about wanting them tailored or wanting a "perfect fit". Can you read? And stop spewing your unsolicited opinions all over this thread. You sound like an uneducated and immature cunt.

>>5804592
hmm I think with sweepy bangs covering your forehead, contacts instead of glasses and a touch of makeup you could be pretty cute desu
your jaw is a good shape for femboyism

>>5804592
different Anon but you look pretty cute even as a hastily out of shower pic. the earings are very cute also.

>>5804625
>sweeping bangs
yay that's what I normally wear

>contacts
too poor, I'm farsighted and I need progressive lenses to help vision at near, medium, and far distances with different magnifications. also can't get smaller frames bc of how strong they are

>touch of makeup
I wish I knew how to do makeup, my mum doesn't wear any and my sister doesn't either, but that's cause she's an sjw manhater

>>5804644
y-you too

>>5804622
I didn't say you did. Can -you- read? I posted the best way to get perfect jeans. You responded with some bullshit because you enjoy arguing. Stop replying to me. Nothing you have to offer has any value.

>>5804536
it's definitely not the norm, but i don't think it's weird at all. it's just how you feel about your body

>>5804617
Then why not practice good skin care? You can get deliciously smooth skin with this thing called lotion. It's a lot cheaper, won't make you sterile, shouldn't make you grow tits and no one will look at you funny when they find out you're on it.

>>5804652
Keep the glasses it gives you a femboy next door charm/

>>5804667
I dunno it always feels like I should find it weird I 'want' my junk to be tiny and not work, then want BFs to still play with it.

>>5804676
I think the glasses only work for instagram models and brazzers screenshots. In pictures, they make you look cute but, in reality, they just make you look goofy.

The right fit is always better than the quirky fit.

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>>5804652
hmm shame about the glasses, I don't think those ones work well with your face shape
can we have a photo w/ hair back and no glasses?
and I mean short sweepy bangs like pic related, not long like your first front-on pic
you don't any fancy makeup, especially if you're trying to present as male-but-fem, just a little eye stuff and maybe a spot of blush or something

>>5804691
Well I mean more in a keep glasses over contacts. finding the right frames to highlight your face is a different act entirely.

>>5804685
i'm exactly the same. most mtf's and most femboys who take hrt are the same way

i don't think of myself as a hard or abrasive or masculine person, so i can't see why i would want my penis to express those things by being large and erect

>>5804652
>too poor, I'm farsighted and I need progressive lenses to help vision at near, medium, and far distances with different magnifications. also can't get smaller frames bc of how strong they are

That doesn't make any sense. My mother has terrible eyes with trifocal lenses and still doesnt have to wear frames that big.

Unless your head is just really tiny, then it all makes sense.

>>5804706
If you're on hrt, you're mtf, anon.

>>5804660
>has a different opinion
>hur dur you're just arguing; i'm never wrong
Please go to school

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>>5804691
yeah, I made a mistake when I bought those frames. they are too wide for me, but again I can't exactly change them until october because my insurance only covers one pair per year

>>5804694
this is how I normally wear my hair

what kinda frames do you think would work for my face shape? I've generally considered my shape to be oval

>>5804709
it's not super tiny, just whenever I get smaller frames the reading portion gets chopped off. maybe it's walmart's fault but whatever. Maybe this year I'll go somewhere a bit nicer

>>5804706
well it's not in an I hate the hardness of it thing. iI just find small penises so cute and love the idea of mine being tiny, and love mine's smallness contrasting to my partners largeness, his hardness to my softness etc.

>>5804709
Depending on the perscription your lenses can end up pretty thick. as long as your willing to accept the lenses being thicker than the frames one should be able to use most non hipster tier frames.

>>5804724
yeah i would agree with that too. i don't want my penis to be as big as or bigger than the guy i'm with, and somehow the fact that i'm totally soft doesn't just make me feel more feminine but it also makes him seem manlier

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>>5804694
and here is the worst photo of me ever
>dumbass expression because eye strain
>webcam bleached out
a-at least I'm white and have european bone structure

>>5804719
You're not saying that I'm wrong, you're just aggressively pushing an opinion that doesn't, in any way, shape or form, counter mine.
What's the point of anything you've said? We know that girl jeans fit slim guys better than guy jeans. However, most people don't think to run down to the korean dry cleaners for alterations.

Just... stop.

>>5804721
Less wide frames, perhaps less long below the arms so they don't obscure so much of your cheekbones. You have a pretty good face shape but they make your face look long atm

the hair is just right, those bangs and a ponytail are p much your ideal I think. now work on changing that gloomy facial expression and wardrobe!!

how do i date?

is it possible to use grindr or something similar for dating? like not hookups for sex

i present as a really feminine guy, but im on hrt, sometimes pass

>>5804760
no anon that's not how u do it

you don't want to post BAD pictures of yourself with weird facial expressions. you want to do good pics with expressions that make you look pretty so everyone will know how pretty u can b

then they know u sexy boi

>>5804760
aside from you making a seeming >:( face you still look cute. its mostly the pulling the hair back that looks 'ugly' and that isn't even ugly so much as clearly pulling hair back

>>5804758
well I would ideally love it under 3 inches or smaller so I doubt any partner would ever be bigger.

>>5804778
you can try saying you're open to dating in your grindr profile, but you would be really lucky if you found anything more than a hookup

i would say use okcupid

>>5804778
You gotta talk to to people.

and while oyu 'can' luck out on Grindr type stuff most people want hookups first, relationship second. I'd suggest get a 'normal' dating profile in addition.

>>5804778
Internet. Also look up lgbt groups or things of that nature that might meet up in your area. You can make friends who might introduce you to people and so on and so forth.
With apps like Grindr, you might find hookups and you might find the occasional guy looking for more.

It's all about putting yourself out there. I'd even suggest hawking over popular twink/femboy shopping spots to eye people to make friends with. The guy selling makeup at Macy's just might know a few people.

>>5804760
your brow seems tense and you should shape your eyebrows more
and those dark circles DEFINITELY need covering, you look like Mark Strong
but your face shape is really pretty good for AMAB, especially the jaw.

oh and maybe get some girly sunglasses, like, dark lenses, circular frames? and keep bangs like >>5804721 >>5804694 for sure. your only really bad feature is the eye/brow region, if you maximise the pic and put a finger across over your eyes you look qt as heck. you'll do fine, senpai! just make sure to save these suggestions so you can come back to them later.

tl;dr break up the strong line at your brow and make your eyes look nicer/distract from or obscure them

>>5804782
i prefer candid shots. obvious myspace angles are a huge turnoff for me.

dude looks hella cute. I'd totes smash then have snacks with on my couch while we binge watch HBO titles

Being gay is for faggots.

>>5804536
sounds like you have dysphoria

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>>5804776
kewl, ty based anon. changing the expression is a bit harder, the wardrobe will get lighter come spring.

>>5804782
>implying

>>5804783
yeah the face was cause I didn't have my glasses on and couldn't really see

>>5804795
>shape eyebrows
I haven't in a while, need to get on that

>dark circles
truth

thanks for the tips m8

>>5804809
>candid shot

>>5804823
wise chinaman say
all faggots gay
but not all gays faggot


wise chinaman also say
he who buy weapon from chinaman
have chink in armoury

>>5802958
You logic seems faulty. Being XY has no effect on the safety of HRT. HRT is minimally damaging in the sense of health. If you mean damaging in some other way like 'degeneracy' or 'being different than the norm' then i don't think you could ever be convinced otherwise.

Also Brassards theory is not accepted by the medical community at large and got him kicked out of the Harry Benjamin association. Since both of us are laymen I believe we should defer to the general scientific consensus lest we make errors in our logic.

Also your theory that GID and homosexuality being linked makes very little sense because of the existence of masc gay men and transbians.

>>5804823
Confucius say
he who swallow for bf
get great honour
and perineum rubby

>>5804832
looking cuter already with that smile
seems like the problem has been you not doing enough to care for your appearance senpai, got to work on that attitude 'cause it's pretty much THE key trait of being a femboy, if anything

>>5804828
I don't follow?

>>5804832
your hugablle as fuck cute. probably even moreso when not seen through a shoddy webcam.

if you don't get a loving partner i will punch the universe for having shit tastes and get you one myself.

>>5804809
i didn't mean myspace angles. just good lighting instead of really harsh lighting and taking selfies with confidence

More folks should post pics! Let's give each other advice!

[spoiler]I'm just an ugly fem chaser though so not me lol[/spoiler]

All gay is faggot, faggot is all gay being gay is obviously wrong u queers I am god and I say no gay today at LGBT pride day and wise chinaman don't have any weapon I digress, being gay is for faggots.

>>5804898
actually jesus was gay

>>5804885
fuck that noise. I want nothing but your desk lamp and you kind of scowling because you hate your life.

that's a fucking person right there.

>tfw when the chin is huge
>tfw it looks better with a beard
>tfw no chance to be fem

>>5804833
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11534967
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/

gid and homosexuality are linked. basically, there is a structure that is sexually dimorphic in size and neuron count. in trannies, the size and neuron count are in the range of the opposite sex, while in homos the size is the same as the opposite sex but the neuron count is the same as a hetero men.

nothing super solid on that, but there aren't a lot of studies out there.

masc gay men are most likely had an environment that made them develop to be masculine. My personal theory is that the structure determines behaviour in the way as it pertains to the self. slight feminization results in homosexuality, while total feminization results in GID. gender expression is not the same, and is partially affected by nurture and not nature, while the BSTc and INAH3 are not.

>>5804867
>perineum rubby
best feeling on this planet, especially when doggy style and he just kinda is leaning over you and you can feel his hot breath on the back of your neck and the slightest feeling of his facial hair brushing your skin, and maybe a bit of teasing in your ear for being such a slut for enjoying just being rubbed down there or smth idk

>>5804869
I don't really care about my appearance, and even when I do I'm too shy to do something about it

>>5804876
th-thanks, at the very least I have a best friend who I have a futile crush on

>>5804913
Don't just settle for lusting with a friend in secret. you are cute enough to get a good bf, don't think anything less.

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>>5804913
this?

>>5804908
Be masc then... play to your strengths. If you grow it, fems will come.

>>5804933
I'm not though, the only guys I've dated have been a bit on the shitty abusive side.

is it bad that those are the only kind of guys I'm attracted to though? like how to do get out of that

>>5804943
yes

>>5804956
No worse than tons of teenage girls who fall for bad boys when young. Just make an effort to talk to nice guys more than just guys you find hot.

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>>5804908
be Elliot Alexzander then
this tumblrite runs a successful business off the back of looking like this and seems to be pretty content with their looks
you can do it!

http://houseofalexzander.com/post/135396235841

there's varying degrees of fem-ness you can experiment with to see what works best for you

>>5804944
I tried, working out and being more manly - didn't like it at all, it's just not me

>>5804979
Now thats a cute fem. makes me happy to see beards can be Fem

>>5804974
but hot guys are the best, hell sex with abusive hot guys is the best thing on earth

the reason I have a crush on my best friend is because he's hot but also a good person, but he still teases me and acts like a slightly abusive guy but without any of the actually harmful aspects.

literally a diamond in the rough

>>5804996
that blog is a goldmine for femmy outfit ideas that suit a male body btw

>>5804980
You can still be delicate and have a beard though, doesn't mean you have to be beefy. A lot of musicians are skinny and rock beards, they're pretty fem other than their faces. Up to you mate.

>>5805005
abusive isn't the same as teasing.you don't have to date a milquetoast, but Don't date scum who treat you actual badly just because they are hot naked

>>5805028
i'd so steal his outfit and go dancing.

>>5804979
>implying this guy doesn't get called faggot and live in fear of hate crimes everyday
he's cute but seriously how do you not get shit on by the normie world if you walk around like that. i'd be terrified.

>>5804980
See >>5804979, seriously. You may need slightly harder skin with regards to the public but aside from that you've got nothing to worry about.

>>5805032
I know, it goes beyond teasing. He's shoved me against a wall and choked me a bit before, stuff like that. He can also be a bit emotionally abusive, but when he does it's because he knows it'll help me in a way that I couldn't on my own

>>5804979 >>5805042
need to move to SF bay area where ~70% of population is gay and the other 30% are fag hags

>>5805052
yeaaaaaaah thts kidna pushing the line. You're confusing emotional abuse and tough love. being willing to point out when your acting liek a drama queen and smacking you into a wall or choking aren't really he same.

>>5805042
god thats half the appeal to me, clinging to my man lookign that fem, being unable to hide i'm the girly guy in our relationship

>>5805042
Projecting confidence. Seriously. Fake it til you make it. I don't even get looks when I'm shopping in the womens' section anymore and dressed pretty similar to that guy (albeit more leather and alternative shit). If you have an attitude people are impressed by the vast majority will see that when they see you, more than the faggy outfits.

Of course if you live in a shitty area then it's different, but I hardly live in a liberal paradise and I do fine.