Trans Help General #99

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>>5790862
Apologies if this stuff is supposed to be super basic.

Anyway, I'm having some problems with my tucks holding and being comfortable. I can get my balls pushed up no problem and pull everything back, but then I run into two problems:

1. When I sit down, everything that got pulled back gets kind of pushed forward so that I'm not actually sitting on it. This may be a good thing (last I checked, sitting on your penis isn't a comfortable experience), but at the same time, it means that as soon as I stand up, there's a lovely bulge at the bottom (not at the front like if I wasn't tucked, but still...hope I'm describing this well enough).

2. Since it's typically more feminine to sit with your legs together or crossed (and I've just preferred it all my life), I do so, but I find that the elastic from the gaff ends up pressing into the side of my balls, and it gives this horrible, burning pain. Half the time it feels like they're going to explode, and the other half of the time I have to hold back a scream of pain as I stand up.

Anyone have any advice on either of these?

For the record, I'm using an "underwear elastic through a sock" gaff and I'm just wearing briefs or regular cotton panties over top.

Pic unrelated.

>>5790411
Some therapists are okay with doing emails some don't want to usually because of privacy reasons. I don't know if there are actually any official policies/laws about it but it seems to just be personal preference.

I'm an mtf planning on going to an informed consent clinic. Is there typically anything expected of trans people that go to these places? Will it raise eyebrows if I call them up and go in full boymode, shitty guy voice and all?

What about pronouns? Using female pronouns just feels super awkward when I'm not even presenting. That's understandable, right?

im 4 months into hormones and i think the mones are trying to make my dick fall off. I'm uncut every since ive started hormones ive noticed that my foreskin swells up occasionally and this fish smelling stuff drips out of it, kinda looks like vaginal discharge. has this happened to anyone else?

>>5791175
>she doesn't like female pronouns
i don't think you're trans tbhon

>>5791175
>Will it raise eyebrows if I call them up and go in full boymode, shitty guy voice and all?

Yes, it certainly would. In an ideal case, a male who believes himself a female would not present so much as the former. The logic is that if someone's maleness bothered them that much, they would make an effort to change it in desperation -- if they don't, their case isn't very extreme. Being practical about your appearance doesn't matter. No matter your circumstance, you should find happiness in presenting MORE female and LESS male, even if it meant getting a bobcut and becoming a hon.

But I'm just speaking idyllic. You can keep doing what you're doing. However, don't be surprised when a doctor starts gatekeeping you while not making a noticeable effort in "being yourself."

>What about pronouns?

Do you find it hard using female pronouns on other males who are quite clearly not female in appearance? That could be a reason for your own discomfort.

Who is @TSAmberStarr on twitter and how come she claims she has porn but i cant find it?

>>5791175
Some professionals would consider that a sign that you might not really be trans or be resistant to giving you treatment because of it, though that's just their practice; it's backwards as hell and they're not obliged to do it by any measure. It depends on your location how common you can expect this to be.

An informed consent clinic wouldn't care, since they don't care about diagnosis or how sure they can be that you're trans; they just care that you understand and accept the risks of the treatment they're giving you.

>>5791196
Fish is pretty common, don't worry.

>>5792192
Fish dick*

Why did I have to be born with completely masculine features?
Why does my dad have to hate trannies with a passion?
Why can't I just be happy for a day?

Been feeling really dizzy and light-headed all day, is this a side effect of hormones?
My diets been pretty good and I've been getting more vitamin D

>>5792956
Iron intake?

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>>5791258
I wish...

>>5792036
I mean I do what I can while staying comfy in this closet. I've been taking better care of my hair and skin, mixing some plain women's shirts into my wardrobe, training my voice, self-medding spiro, etc.

>Do you find it hard using female pronouns on other males who are quite clearly not female in appearance? That could be a reason for your own discomfort.
It's just presentation. I have no problem doing that with people who are clearly trying to present female. As for people who aren't trying, I'd still be fine doing it to make them feel comfortable, but it'd certainly feel off. So I guess I'm more worried about the comfort of others?

>>5792086
I guess I could see what I can do to try a little harder. I mean it's obvious why I'm there in the first place so I don't know why I'm even trying to still hide it.

Thanks for the replies.

>>5791175
Wow, SO Im sitting here with my local informed consent clinic number on dial thinking the same thing. I still don't know how I feel about pronouns either in the same way.

So I'm about a month in on my hormones. I've noticed my disphoria is practically gone, almost to the extent that "I feel empty..?" I dont really know how to describe it. I'm calm relaxed for the most part, I have a strong desire to cuddle and/or hug, and I'm a little more suseptable to crying at sad parts in movies or shows. And my sexdrive, WTF,
But my desire to be feminine is.. is..not as strong.. compared to before hormones and dysphoria was on high. I still want it though.
I just feel kinda wierd, Sorry for this rant. I jsut wanted to get it out and say it.

On a side note, My suspicions were confirmed to day at work, I had a feeling I wouldnt be able to keep working my current job if I came out about transitioning due to the groups fo guys I work with just by the way they talking, it started political and then somehow it got hateful towards gays and transgenders. It was hard to listen to them say all that and they dont even know about my transition as I stand there. (still presenting male, not sure til when, its just easier to keep hiding for now) So I will definitely need to get a different job in several months.

At what point do you self medding girls usually up the estrogen? go from 1mg to 2mg a day?

>>5793809
I plan on seeing an endo and some other doctors to ask their opinion, but in the meantime I'm following this regimen
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>>5793865
>http://pastebin.com/raw/yzMzTA5u
Oh, Well I hope I didnt screw up. I started right off at 100mg of spiro and 1mg of estro twice daily. I also started finesteride about half way into the first month. and by this I should up to 2mg estro twice daily in the middle of the second month?

>>5793922
"Cone" tits are the result of taking estrogen too quickly, or so they say. There doesn't seem to be a consensus on what's best.

>>5793952
cone tits, thats the worst? I can deal with that. I will probly be lucky to grow tits at all. I'll probly need implants just to have a decent bust anyway

>want to start hormones
>don't care about pronouns
>not planning on wearing women's clothing in public until I look more feminine and can pass. If I can't pass it's skinny jeans and hoodies 4 lyfe
>just want my body to change
I just fucking hate seeing myself or knowing that I still look like a guy in women's clothing. Does not wanting to present female unless I can pass mean I'm not actually trans? Does not minding if I get called he/him when not presenting female mean I'm not trans? Ideally, yeah, I'd like to get on as a woman and be treated as one. But it's not gonna bother me if I'm presenting male and people refer to me as a dude. Is that abnormal in this context? I do find happiness when I look like I'm getting closer to looking like a woman, but if I see a dude in women's clothing in the mirror, I just get disgusted with myself.

>>5792956
Could be due to dehydration.

>>5793594
I've read here numerous times that people feel less dysphoria shortly after taking steps to transition. Could be that starting hormones has given you some, temporary, relief. In the cases I'm describing, symptoms usually return after some time.

>>5792036
>>5791258

I thought the whole point of informed consent is that you don't have to sell yourself as trans.

>>5794024
you want to be seen as a woman, not a dude in woman's clothing. I feel the same way.

I don't want people to use different pronouns just because I ask them to, I want them to do it because they legitimately see me as a woman.

>>5794024
ok, I feel the same way anyone deal with this before?

>>5794037
That's right.

>>5793594
Could be that you're just not thinking about your gender as much,

>On voice:
I know mtf's can have their male and female voices.

I have developed my female voice.

So the question is, does it eventually get to the point where you default in your female voice...
Like right when you wake up and groggily mumble something?

Orrr.... Is it something that needs to be put on and warmed up each day?

Like, do you always have to consciously make it feminine or does it eventually permaflop?

I'm coming from a non high-pitched flamy boy perspective. I had a deep voice and it took work to train.

>>5794196
vocaroo both
i wanna hear

Never had dysphoria, just a vague depression at life and waking up to not recognizing my face at all as well as a lot of other "signs" that I thought were just confirmation bias
I got my haircut really short after having it long my whole life and holy shit I'm panicking I am ugly and manly as fuck

It's just a phase right? I can just go back to not really caring about this right

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Why do I want tits and a vagina? I'm a guy but I feel like it would be so much better if I were a girl. Am I trans or what?
A little info I do all this:
>paint my nails
>wear makeup
>Crossdress as much as possible

>>5794245
>a vague depression at life and waking up to not recognizing my face at all
Are you me? It's like I flip-flop between feeling like I'm looking at a different person in the mirror and thinking that I actually look pretty good. It's strange. Another thing for me is just not being motivated to do anything and not being comfortable with myself. Taking small steps toward transition have made me feel better. I mean things like shaving everything, growing my hair out, changing my clothing to be more neutral, and acting a bit more feminine have all made me really happy. At the same time it's not like I've really had much dysphoria either, so I'm not sure if I'm actually trans or if this is something else, but I've had these same general issues since, at least, puberty. Whatever it is, I haven't been able to go back to not caring, and I don't think it's a phase. I've pretty much thought about trans stuff to some degree daily since it occurred to me I might be trans. It's been eight months.

So yeah, if this sounds like you, you might be in for a wild ride of indecision. I think I'm gonna start hormones and change my voice though. The affects of HRT sound really appealing to me. That's just me though. I've kinda put off figuring out exactly what I am and just doing what makes me feel better about myself. Dunno how much any of this helps, hopefully somewhat.

>>5794279
That sounds like a pretty clear case of gender dysphoria, at least.

>>5794286
If you want the effects of HRT, I really do recommend going ahead and trying it for a month or so to see if you feel better taking it; if you decide it's not for you the long-term effects from taking hormones for a month will probably be minimal. I wouldn't worry too much about doing some deep thinking trying to figure out 'what you are' right off, though; just live how you think you want to for a while, and you'll probably get some insight just from that.

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>>take the face test twice 94% masc 1st, and 100% masc 2nd time.
>>says I look like Leonardo Decaprio
>>want to be a gril
>> ;(

>>5794319
So should I see a therapist or what? Will this ever go away is it a phase?

>>5794344
Linku to test!

>>5794348
no it will cause suicides

>>5794335
That was the plan. Though when you say trying it for a month, are you including the month I should be spending on spiro alone or the first month of spiro + E?

>>5794351
I googled it
Got 99% masc
14 years older than I am actually

I guess low-potential asian mtf's exist

>>5794347
I can't say for sure if it will pass or not, although I wouldn't count on it. Seeing a therapist that has experience working with people with gender identity issues would probably be a good idea if you feel comfortable with that, yes.

>>5794370
I tried to protect you ;(

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Is it common for mtf women to get laser hair removal for body hair?

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How bad is being 6 ft? Pre hrt but starting soon. Other than my fucking bowed legs is my height a major issue?

And while I'm at it I know this is more of a general health related question but

Are there exercises that might make my upper leg a little more fleshed out to draw attention away from my fucking bent lower legs?

>>5794353
Ah, I forgot that a lot of people start spiro a month before estrogen; you're going to want to know how you feel on both, so try a month on the both of them. (In the first few weeks of spiro you can have a variety of side effects that tend to resolve as your body gets used to it, in any case, so it'll be more clear how you'll feel in general after you've been on it for about a month.)

>>5794344
>100% masc
>knew I was 24
>I look like Demitri Maryin apparently

Please kill me.

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>>5794396
You're two inches taller than female models. Take that for what it's worth.

>>5794370
Its alright I just did it on a mtf before and after hrt and it went from 95% guy to 94% girl lol. It's a piece of crap.

>>5794401
I feel your pain, apparently I look like Rowan Atkinson

>>5794401
from my tests it also does age 24 a lot though, soo.. more crap

>>5794413
I guess most people would get mad if they got 50/50 if they are too hard to tell

>>5794414
Oh god, I'm sorry.

Want to suicide with me?

>>5794420
I want to believe.

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>>5794024
For what it's worth, this is pretty much how I feel. I'm planning on going to see a therapist to get things cleared up (hopefully). In the meantime, though, it makes me feel a lot better about myself to know someone else feels the same.
> But it's not gonna bother me if I'm presenting male and people refer to me as a dude. Is that abnormal in this context?
Having experienced this on a daily basis since really starting to question my identity, I think I can safely say it's fine. If anything, be grateful that you're not wanting to shoot someone every time they call you a guy, etc.

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So I need some help guys. Why do I want to crossdress so much? I started with a few items last year. I just got a good bit of female clothing and all I want to do now is crossdress. Like I don't even want to wear male clothing now. Is this normal or what, I'm not sure if I'm trans or not. However I do feel like life would be better if I were a girl. I also paint my toe nails I cant paint my finger nails I wish I could thou.

How likely are FTM and MTF individuals to be attracted to their original assigned sex?

>>5794605
Yes, it's normal. You can do all the activities you described without being a female.

>>5794619
More than likely.

>>5790862
I have come out to doctors, psychologists, endos and even people I don't know who are parts of lgbt groups. Yet when it comes to telling my family and friends I get too nervous and frightened to tell them that I'm trans. I think i could do it over messages on facebook but at the same time i dont want to leave physical evidence just in case they arent supportive or choose to out me. How do I get over the fear of telling friends and family that I'm trans? Also how did you or do you plan on telling them and should I message them online or tell them in person?

>>5794678
I just did this 2 weeks ago. I just told everyone individually over the course of a week.

Just suck it up. If it's something you want then you should do it. It gets easier with every person you tell (assuming they are supportive)

I'm 25y bi male with a 21y trans (MTF) GF, she has not done anything except minor crossdressing in sexual sense. She is out on our remote work (which is very LBGT friendly) and me, else identifies as bisexual male.

I have no issue with either outcome or her decisions (literally do not care, if she is happy), though i try hard to be zero influence:
i do not recommend anything (HRT or similar) or talk about anything trans and related out of either fear of reaction or trigger her.
I do reply and help her when she asks or we talk in general, but also try to be as neutral as possible then, reflecting she needs to decide time and steps. I assure her i support her with any decision but that i do not want to cause issues possibly forever by influence that she later feels is wrong outcome.


I do not buy her female clothes she did not buy before (so only underwear) to leave this to her or to ask me.


I do not bring up my own major crossdress interest as it seems morally wrong to me when she really *is* a girl in the wrong body while i get only sexual gratification out of it. I am happy with my gender. I use her underwear to masturbate sometimes (which i doubt she would mind if i lie and say just because it is hers).


Should i change any of this? While she seems not happy about me not taking a position she seems to understand what it could cause.

I'm kind of lost.

>>5794678
I should be more specific though.

I told one of my brother's via email because he lives out of town. It went well, so I decided to tell my other brother. I asked to get taco bell with him and as we were driving I told him I had something a little shocking to tell him and he took it really well too.

Then I told his wife, and she was excited for me, the next day I told my mother while she was a little drunk. She took it well as well.

Every person I told made the process easier.

>>5794697
I think I am emotionally prepared to tell people indirectly but not to their face. From my experience so far I don't care about what others think, except if I am close to them, which is why I'm struggling with telling friends and family. I really want to start coming out but I was wondering if using Facebook would be a bad idea since they could out me to others easier with evidence.

Sorry if this is too different of a question for this thread...

MtF here, whats the best method of removing body hair? I'm just shaving at the moment but I imagine waxing being better and longer lasting on my arms and legs.
What about genitals though, is it a bad idea to try waxing my balls?

>>5797084
>MtF here, whats the best method of removing body hair?
Electrolysis.
>I'm just shaving at the moment but I imagine waxing being better and longer lasting on my arms and legs.
Yes it is, but it can be problematic if done within 3 months of electrolysis or laser.
>What about genitals though, is it a bad idea to try waxing my balls?
It would be very painful...

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Soooo, for all you self medders out there, do you REALLY need a script to buy off of IHP? Like, can I just tell them that I'll email it to them later? I've heard that they'll ship anyway, but those posts are 2+ years old so I don't know if that's still true.

I not trans, by the way, but I am in the early stages of balding, so I'm trying to buy Finasteride. I figure this would be an okay place to ask.

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>MtF pre-everything
>measuring myself
>checking ratios and angles
>pretty fucked up all over
>still somewhat confident
>get to shoulders
>22"
That's another quarter for the helium fund.

>>5794370
Just tried with several photos, results were all over the place. A couple 95%s.

Also apparently sometimes I look like John Mayer and sometimes I look like Anne Frank.

>>5797215
I'm getting alectrolysis on my face already, I would rather kill myself than have it done everywhere else. The worst part isn't even the pain, it's just how fucking long it takes.

>>5797244
>Like, can I just tell them that I'll email it to them later?
Yeah, that's what I do.

>>5797244
They won't accept new people without a script for most things. If you got in you're in, since they don't want to cut people off. This led to the confusion since some people without scripts are still getting their drugs.

>>5797244
You shouldn't have any issues, no actual prescription necessary.

>>5797289
It's the body hair equivalent of nuking a planet from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

Waxing is perfectly fine if you don't plan on electro or laser any time soon.

>>5797246
>helium fund
Got a GoFundMe?

>>5797084
I personally use an epilator every couple weeks, the results are similar to waxing. I usually have some leftover hairs from it though, so I still touch up with shaving every few days but I shave less often and it takes less time. I'm willing to keep using it throughout my body until my hair starts thinning out instead of getting laser or electro treatments(I don't have caveman level bodyhair in most places tho)

I have only just barely started doing the genital area, it can really hurt but like everywhere else once I get it done the first time it will become much easier.

>>5797298
i bought hormones off ihp as a new customer 5 months ago and didn't need a script. i live in europe and paid by credit card if this makes any difference.

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>>5794351
Fuck, you weren't kidding. Even in my best photos I can only muster up around 55% fem...

Well, except this one boymode photo where I somehow got 70%...

What does the SRS vagina feel like?
I've heard most don't lubricate themsevles at all. Is this true? What does it feel like then? Some kind of bone-dry ear piercing? Can you even have sex with that?

inhousepharmacy (dot) biz doesn't work for me. Is (dot) vu the one to use now? Living in the US in case there's another site I should be using altogether. Also what dosage of Finasteride is recommended, 1mg orally per day?

>>5798032
Yes, it's .vu now.

>>5798040
Alright thanks. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't some fake site.

Also is there a more comprehensive link for self-medding than just following Annie's guide? I'm looking to add fernasteride and wanted to check if 1mg of Finpecia would be ok to add in to Annie's guide as-is since both it and spiro are anti-androgens.

>>5797735
>What does the SRS vagina feel like?
A moist hole.
>I've heard most don't lubricate themsevles at all. Is this true?
No. Most all lubricate a little. It varies wildly depending on the person and procedure type.
>What does it feel like then? Some kind of bone-dry ear piercing?
A dry hole.
>Can you even have sex with that?
Lube.

>>5790862
So I like the trans community here. But I was wondering, are any other places that people post on without the sadist's and sociopaths?

>>5798156
Not really, it seems like we're the only place online that creepy hons haven't taken over.

I don't mean nonpassers btw, I'm talking about "genderqueer" "women" who talk about "That magical first time they wore panties"

Every other place on the internet is crawling with those people.

>>5798141
I see, so it's like it still has that "inside of cheek" moistness, but you can't "get wet" as they say?

>>5798275
got cha.

>>5798283
Depends on the method. Some use rectal tissue that makes a disgusting mucus filled fuckhole you need a tampon for. Others make a dry meat tube that only gets moist from precum. Google it.

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>>5794344
So you can all know my expectations. :(

>>5798306
hnnngh

>>5798306
I think we both know you're being a little optimistic there.

>>5798306
Meh, looks better than i expected. HRT would make "Leo's" cheeks puff up and then he'd look pretty feminine.

Leo face isn't a bad face senpai, the more youthful the better.

>>5798313
lol

>>5798316
We'll see.

>>5798301
I see, I'm trying to avoid the colon shit as much as possible..
What degree of dry meat are we talking here? Like hands and feet dry?

>>5798346
Also I should point out that intercourse is not a priority for me since I'm lez

>>5798346
Grab your penis. It's that. Literally that.

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I'm fucked in the head for being here and for having these thoughts for so god damn long.

The choices are becoming a freak of nature or accept myself the way I am.

I haven't been able to do the latter for over a decade now.

Who is to say I'm going to be happier being an abomination? Most of them don't seem happy. They live a life of constant fear of being found out, of fitting in, of "passing" as normal.

Nothing about this is normal. We're all damaged goods and the idea of using pills to take myself out of the gene pool and become a mockery to others is a shit option.

They're all shit options. I'd like to say I should just hold out and hope life gets better but I only see it sliding from here. There's no future just more of today.

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>>5798416
In the game of hons, you either pass or you die

>>5798416
Nah we are just joking here. You can't fight your nature its making you miserable and your just holding your happiness in the expectation of others. You can't change the worlds ignorance but you can change yourself and there are people out there that don't think toxically. It's just that we are on the internet, or your in a backwards community.

>>5798360
Do you even feel anything?

>>5798440
I dont want bottom surgery but a lot that want it say that it is more pleasurable once you get it done. Quality is based on the surgeon.

>>5798416
I feel you. I know exactly what you mean. But ultimately, for me, it comes to the fact that it's been year after year of sealing myself off from the world, being closed off to people, being unable to see a future for myself, and not doing the things I wanna do because I'm so uncomfortable with myself. I can honestly say I've reached 21 without actually living for at least the last 7 years. I've wasted a third of my life being reclusive and self-hateful, so if my only option is taking pills for the rest of my life that'll make me impotent and only give me a slight boost toward looking the way I wanna look, then I'm gonna do that because at least the mental changes will make me feel better. If that's my one shot at happiness, I'm gonna try it. If there's even a slight chance that I can turn out not hating what I see when I look in the mirror or even actually liking myself and becoming comfortable in my own body, I'm gonna do it. If it doesn't work, there's always a gas bag.

Will hrt make my eyes less squinty and puffy? I have feminine eyes but those part bother me.

>>5798440
Anon, it's the same nerves, but now more densely packed. It's supposed to be damn good.

>>5798481
Yeah.
It really is "this and if this doesn't work out, then suicide".

You hate yourself and you hate yourself for hating yourself.

I just can't see it fucking working well enough.

>>5798416
If your choices are transition or die you transition or die. Otherwise don't transition. Transition won't make you happy.

>>5798440
It's not liked the nerves are killed in the operation.

Or are they?

>>5798524
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>>5798522
Yeah. But we're fucked either way, aren't we? Might as well try some things since there's always plan B. I just don't even fucking care anymore. I've had no motivations for as long as I can remember and the only thing that'll keep me from actually killing myself if this all goes shit-up is what it would do to my parents and family if I did.

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Honestly after another mental breakdown. I feel better. Better to live as myself then be controlled. I have a dream of building an earthship community and from there even a town that welcomes LGBT people but is not exclusive. It just needs to have the right location in the beginning, close enough to a city for resources but far enough to allow expansion.

>>5798306
Actually Leo might do ok, If you get that body.

So I'm not in bad shape. I get some exercise everyday, but I'd like to slim my body more so I would say I need to work out more(cardio and core) to tighten up my stomach and such. I've started HRT, but I have not come out to my family yet and my brother keeps asking me to go workout, I should go but hes interested in building masculine muscle mass, and well I'm not, but he dont know that. Also I have been shaving my legs for the last 3 months, so shorts would cause him to notice and underarmor leggings underneath shorts may give a similar awkwardness. not to mention I wont be doing the same workout as him every single time we go... after a few times I know he'll wonder why.
I cant keep blowing him off and not going, but I'm really not ready to come out to him or the rest of the senpai just yet. If at all possible I'd like to hold off til after my bday later this year

>>5798486
I have a similar concern, My eyes have dark circles, otherwise I think my eyes look very feminine. for me I know its from lack of sleep most of my life. Insomnia is a bitch sometimes. But since starting HRT I fall asleep easier and sleep more so that should work in my favor. if not, makeup should help.

>>5798877
Passively letting them know you shave your legs and want to focus on cardio is an intermediate between coming out and actively hiding everything than could remotely imply that you're trans. It might be awkward and make you nervous (more so than it should considering how minor it is), but taking small steps like this towards coming out, or even just towards generally being comfortable with your self-expression and not holding it back unnecessarily is a good thing.

>5'9"
>20" shoulders
>Serbia Strong jaw
>general manface
Do I try or just give up now?

>>5799235
Sounds like a really good starting point... for an FtM.

Since you're probably MtF you might be able to pass if it's dark.

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So I feel like my body is in really wokey proportions. What do you think? 25 MTF about 4.5 months in. Like I am borderline worried I am too skinny, but I don't want to get huge either. I also feel like my arms make me look top heavy with what muscle I do have... Should I start doing lots of lower body exercises or something?

Do you think HRT will help me even out at all?

>>5799378
Watch some runway shows. You're not at all too skinny comparatively to what is.

>just came out as mtfg for the first time to an old friend of mine, a girl friend of his was with us and we were all just talking about life problems so I pretty much just blurted it out
>he was like "oh, okay" and went back to talking to her
>pretty much had to pull them aside and repeat myself to them to get a conversation going
>the three of us end up having a really good talk about it

I'm just blown away by how that experience turned out, it's not how I expected it to go at all. Figured he wouldn't understand or he'd be immature about it because he makes lots of gay jokes and shit but he was fucking unquestioning about it.

>>5799378
do leg work outs and you'll be fine. I'm jelous.

>>5799390
Thanks. I will try and put some perspective on things.
>>5799504
Thanks. My girlfriend is always telling me to do squats. I am still trying to figure out the correct form for them but I will redouble the efforts and try and make a little routine of other lower body stuff too.

Can I just say I'll e-mail or fax my script to IHP if I don't have one?

>>5799768
Yes. They won't ask you a second time.

>don't want to transition if I won't pass
Nobody wants to be a freak.
>want nothing more than to be a little girl
Who doesn't want to be young and beautiful?
>not attracted to men at all
Lesbians are a thing, gender and orientation are separate.
>would rather be a man in old age
Older men can still look pretty good, older women universally fall apart.

I'm not just AGP, right?

>>5799921
1: nothing odd there, cept the no transition
2: nothing wrong there
3: nothing there
4: you're not trans. Sorry.

>16 yr old ftm
>can't start testosterone because of family shit
>5'3 and haven't grown in years
>death

>>5798416
So what if you're a freak, or an abomination? None of us have any real reason to be alive, there's eight billion people in the world and most of them will die useless and forgotten. You may as well do what makes you happy, fuck your insecurities about being a weirdo.

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The big "girl" in the back.

Hon or just that big chick that played high school softball?

I've messed up. Horribly I might add.
Every since I was young I always knew I was a girl. I fought myself for years that I shouldn't feel that way. I finally admitted it to myself in high school that I am trans.
I sought professional help and was proscribed hrt. I never picked it up.
I thought I could try and force myself to change it. I joined the marine corps, I tried suppressing it all. I married and had kid. I'm 27 now and still everyday I can't stop thinking about how I should've started transitioning back then.
My significant other knows I feel this way, but she only knows marginally. She's told me once if I wanted to transition we would stop being romantically involved and we would still be friends.
I have come up with excuses for years not too. But I think I'm at the point where I can no longer not.
Is it too late?

>>5800297
At least you're not 50?
Can't really think of any other way to comfort this.
Are you masculine looking?

>>5800309
On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most masculine. I'd say a 6 or 7

how long does it take for qhi to verify the indemnity form? the order email said it was going to be sent to me, but it wasn't, so i got it off their site and sent it.

>>5794024
there is literally nothing wrong with that

>>5794605
I get an insta-boner from crossdressing. I love how my ass looks in a thong and yoga pants and my gf's schoolgirl outfit is hot as fuck when I cam.

>>5799378
>I think you're cute. Do some squats and get squat-butt to fill out jeans.

Somebody help me with bra sizes,
My underbust is 86cm
My bust is 92cm

I have kinda muscly laterals though,
Can that throw the measurement off?

Only been on hrt 6 weeks

>>5800932
brasizecalculator.tk
Go there and put your measurements in

>>5800944
12B, is that normal for six weeks hrt.
I cant hide them under t-shirts anymore
I feel like they are growing very quickly

Is taking spiro and cypro at the same time a bad idea?

>>5801084
Yes, you'd get the side effects from both drugs to achieve the same effect of blocking testosterone. Stick with one of them.

>>5801109
The funny part is that after i tried taking both in a few days morning boners somehow returned. Guess I'll just throw away my spiro then.

Got another bad batch of spiro. That's the last time I order from ADC, fuck Indian pharmacies.

>>5801227

Ordering my first Spiro from QHI this week... How can you tell if its bad/fake?

If I switch from selfmed to informed consent should I tell them that I was selfmeding so they don't put me on a lower dose than what I'm on now?

>>5800231
Need face, but from the torso:legs I want to say AFAB giantess.

>>5800297
Don't do that to your kid. I know the trans community says you have to do what you have to do but think about the kid. You have a responsibility higher than yourself now.

>>5799963
Fuck.

Well, should I just transition anyways and then detransition when I hit 50?

I can be the MtFtM.

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>>5801650
You could if you want to, I guess; it's a free country and it's your body. If you want to be the little girl now and the little old man then, knock yourself out.

Is it unheard of to still have morning erections on 200mg Spiro?

I haven't had blood work done yet or seen an Endo, but it seems that the meds aren't very effective as I still get wood when I wake up and masturbation isn't difficult at all.

>>5801660
sounds like u have a case of AGP

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>>5801673

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What, what? Why?

>>5801660
Morning erections? What are your T levels?

>>5801731
I don't know yet. I'm working on getting it checked.

>>5801352
>should I tell them that I was selfmeding
Yes. They need to know what your current dosage is, and how long you've been medding.

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D-did anyone else's music taste change whilst on HRT? When did I get into mainstream pop help

>>5800297
ignore the fucker trying to guilt you about your kid. You have to do this, you can still help support them after you transition.

>>5801822
I always liked mainstream pop but also some dark electro, fammy

>>5801804
Alright thank you

>>5801650
>MtFtM
Your gender's abbreviation is longer than a fully spelt out gender. If you're okay with that then go right ahead.

>>5801726
>female body doing female shit
>body decides that estrogen levels should go down, testosterone levels stay the same
>body adjusts to this ratio
>additional estrogen added
>body doesn't care for the ratio change
>begins producing more testosterone to keep up with what it thinks is increased estrogen production
Don't take E without an AA if you're MtF. You'll have a bad time.

Been thinking about starting to donate plasma for a little extra $$$ for transition. Anyone know if there's any issues with being on HRT and doing that? I wouldn't think so.

What does it mean if I'm not sure who I'd rather be in old age? I have a hard time seeing myself old in general I guess. Like, up to my 50's I'd rather be a woman, but I think past that it's not as huge of a deal to me and either would be ok. Although even then I think I lean slightly toward female.

>>5802381
Not allowed in the US.

>>5802421
No one "wants" to be old.
And honestly at that age you're kind of the same gender no matter what you actually are: you're old, wrinkly and not having sex.

>>5798925
Actually you saying that makes me feel a little better about it. I shouldnt be but I am still trying to conceal or hid it from them. I know things will be super awkward when I finally do tell them, I guess I'm trying to put that off for as long as possible.

>>5802421
Past 60 I'd rather just slough off the flesh and bone to live as a brain in a jar.
It don't matter.

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>>5802426
Fair enough

>>5802435
So something like this then?

Anyway, thanks guys. That's one less thing to worry about I guess.

>>5802453
>tfw the future of tomorrow isn't today
;-;

If cryogenics doesn't become a thing (you know, an actual thing, not the junk we have now) before I die I'm going to be very cross.

>>5802478
>become an actual thing
Like actually bring people back to life? Yeah, good fucking luck.

It's too bad we're be too early to experience cyborg bodies. We could have whatever the fuck body we want. Sure we'd probably be tens of thousands of dollars in debt but we wouldn't have to worry about physically aging.

>>5800297
No its not too late, Girl I turned 30 last fall and and finally stopped fighting myself and began HRT. I dont have a kid, I wouldnt want to put a child through that at a young age either. But you have to think about yourself and your kid. You do what you need to.
Look at it this way if you transition early enough in the child's life he/she will grow up with two "moms" thats more common than you think these days, when the kid gets older and starts asking questions explain it to them. if you wait til your kid is older it will hurt them more to see the parent that raised them change genders.

I questioned myself everyday for too long when i should have dont this sooner. I feel better now that I actually am going through with it. I hope you the best.

>>5801227
That's where I get my spiro. How do you know if you get a bad batch?

>>5802497
I want to believe in cryostasis. I have to believe, otherwise I'll go crazy.

I'm drunk enough I looked in the mirror and I thought I saw what I could be without all this T.

I liked the potential.

Nothing really matters in life, including the fact that nothing matters.

I'm going to sit my dad down next week and talk to him. I'm going to start self-medding. I'm seeing a therapist but I have don't want to go the typical spiro+proe route. I'll see an endo to test regularly.

Life is too short to be fucking miserable. Fuck what strangers think. Fuck what my friends think. It's time to potato mode into girl mode.

Gin is delicious.

>>5802540
>makes important decisions while drunk
>thinks HRT is magic
>optimistic
>misappropriated nihilism
>YOLO mentality
>haha alcohol XD
You're on the fast track to contributing to the already high trans suicide rate. Have fun.

>>5802603
I've been dealing with this for a decade now. I've been feeling like shit for weeks now. Shush. Let me believe this is a breakthrough until the high wears off.

>>5802540
potato mode?

>>5802711
The awkward inbetween phase of passing as a male and female.

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Questioning 22m here. I tried touching up my face with makeup for the first time today, though I've been experiencing dysphoria for the last year or so. Since I'm a total noob at all of this, I'll keep it simple. Do I have reasonable passing potential, or am I already too far gone? What can I do to make things better? Honest feedback would be appreciated.

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>>5802985
Another crappy shot from the other side. Also I normally keep my hair longer than this, so it's actually shorter than what I prefer.

>>5802985
I think you have reasonable passing potential. Your face is round and if HRT is kind to you it'll mellow out nicely.

Your nose appears to be your most masculine feature.
Congrats on having no adam's apple.

>>5803270
Thanks. My biggest problems are my nose, eyebrows and voice. I have to trim my brows in order to keep them from getting too thick. My voice is fairly low on its own, so I practice singing a lot to keep my range open, but it's not going to change much in daily conversations.

>>5802425
Source?

I have a dilemma. Today in class (health care field), we talked about trans patients, and medical considerations. The discussion was way more positive than I was expecting, but I felt that there was still some important medically relevant things which were left out, and it seemed to focus on "how they identify". Thanks SJW's!. I obviously don't want to come out to the class, but is it worth outing myself to a professor to explain some of the medically related, non-surgical things?

What do you all think?

>>5803632
I can't imagine what you could possibly want to talk about that requires the professor to know you'r trans.

>>5803685
I don't have to explicitly come out. It's just that it is more detailed information about medications, their side effects, muscle mass and metabolism, eating disorders, and concerns other than pronouns, bathrooms and HIV. I have long hair, no beard, suspiciously soft skin, and clothes don't fit totally right anymore. Plus I already told her a month ago that I wasn't comfortable doing the physical assessment in class. She can probably put two and two together.

>>5803745
Since you're considering it, she's probably chill don't you think? It could be a good conversation and lead to the edification of the both of you.

I'd go for it. Report back if you do.

Is there anyway I could get input on >>5803601 ? Sorry to crossthread and for the blog style post; right now I'm a jumble of probably trans confusion and emotion. If anyone could take a sec to read and respond you'd really be helping me out

>>5802603
alcohol often lets you feel the feels you don't let yourself feel while sober. it's not like that poster just decided today about wanting to be a girl lol

Did anyone else ordering from InhousePharmacy have to call some number after getting an email from Theecheck? I saw Theecheck got an A from the Better Business Bureau, but I'm still kind of skeptical of this email. That and I really, really hate talking on the phone. There another way to confirm my echeck payment for dem drugs?

>>5802603
She sounds pretty reasonable to me.

>>5804145
Actually if I choose to give a signature upon delivery, would that negate the need to call and give voice authorization?

>>5804194
That's what I did and no. I requested a signature be required upon delivery and still got a call to confirm my echeck. Also, they just mailed it to my mailbox without a signature, lol.

>>5804211
God fucking damnit. Alright, thanks.

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>>5790862
So which kind of laser should I make sure my aesthetician/etc. is using, and how often to make my facial hair go away?

>>5804285
Electrolysis.

Laser hair removal is temporary and should be considered a very effective shave.

>>5804292
>Laser hair removal is temporary
I doubt that. Pre HRT yes. But post HRT it can probably be permanent.

>>5804420
Well you're wrong.
It might appear permanent if you're lucky, but even that is just 8 or so sessions every 20 years.
If you're unlucky then it's just a long term shave.
Laser isn't meant to be permanent.

>>5804420
My laser results lasted like 4 years before I started getting hairy again.

I really want to transition but I'm scared I'll end up alone if I do. I'm not very interesting or desirable, and being an almost surely not passing transgirl definitely won't help anything. If I found someone I might be alright without transitioning but I can't know that for certain. Help.

>>5805167
I had similar concerns, but I eventually came to the conclusion that without transitioning in some way, I would never be comfortable with myself or like myself. How can I be able to give myself to another or love someone if I'm still too uncomfortable with myself to be happy? I can't. Realizing that, I decided I needed to first be good with who I am before I'm in an involved relationship, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the other person. So at this point I'm pretty much banking on soulmates actually being a thing.

>>5801084
I take both because I have high blood pressure but spiro is a pretty shit anti-androgen so I don't use it primarily for its AA properties; they're just a bonus. I haven't had any problems and it seems to nuke T pretty effectively.

I have no idea where else to put this, so I guess this thread might be able to help my predicament?

I myself am not trans. Never felt as much, never thought as much. This (going by her pronoun choice here) guy that I like, however, is trans. I have talked to him a little, and don't really know him well. I guess, if you can see a question in this, would you be able to help me?

Is it normal to get regrowth of hair even after 6 sessions of laser? I had to stop for a month and a half because I was overseas

So apparently my shitty hick bank doesn't do echecks, so I have to do a wire transfer to InHousePharmacy.

How does that work exactly? Can I just go to the bank, wire the money, and then fax IHP my receipt from the bank?

Hi, I'm FTM and I have horrible anemia. Iron production is abysmal and my periods even fight hormone shots. Should this make any issues with starting T ?

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>>5806210
>This (going by her pronoun choice here) guy that I like, however, is trans

>(going by her pronoun choice here)
>her pronoun
>her

>>5806210
What about him? Explain more details of your situation?

Also, do you mean he was born a girl, or that he was born a guy?

>>5804420
Laser is kinda suck ass and so is thermolysis.
If you want to get a permanent and effective hair removal, you generally have to get blend electrolysis.
Laser tends to require multiple treatments for each individual hair, thinning the hair and slowing it's growth. This is because laser kills hair follicles by burning them. Hairs absorb the energy from the laser and convert it to heat which damage the follicle but not necessarily kill it. It generally takes a few hits to kill a hair, but you can't laze a hair more than once every while because the hair stops absorbing the energy effectively as it becomes damaged.

Electrolysis, however, comes in 2 main forms: thermolysis and blend electrolysis.
Thermolysis is just an over-glorified more targeted laser, it sucks and is a total waste of time. Another thing to consider is that laser and thermolysis have a very high chance of causing skin damage as a result of subcutaneous burns. It tends to show itself as permanently darkened skin or pot marked skin so their almost universally shit.

Blend electrolysis, now referred to as blend from hereon, uses chemical burning to kill follicles. This is done by using DC at the base of a follicle to produce lye, then applying AC to heat the lye and quicken the reaction time. Because the lye sits in your follicle for a bit, it's much more likely to actually kill it and because it's a very light chemical burn, it isn't strong enough to cause noticeable skin damage.
Hairs that are treated using blend generally only need 1 or 2 hits, very rarely 3. Problem with it is that you need to grow your hair out a bit for each treatment so the person can see your follicles, but they pluck them after treatment. Getting a noticeable result will probably take longer with blend and each treatment is more expensive per hair, but you save money and time because each hair doesn't need 4-5 hits.

>>5806226
Yes because laser isn't very effective after 6 sessions. You can start complaining once you've hit a couple dozen.

>>5806482
So how many sessions does blend electrolysis take on average? You make it sound like it's one and done.

>>5806482
Part 2...

Don't expect any method to clear your face until you've had at least half a years worth of consistent treatments. There are a fuck ton more follicles on your skin than there are hairs growing at any time. Some follicles go dormant for a while and they kinda move in cycles. You might kill on follicle but then the one next to it will wake up a couple weeks later.
You have to give this shit a lot of time and money before you get a permanently clear patch of skin.

As for laser being almost universally shit, I find that it's really useful for DIY hair reduction around armpits and legs and shit like that. But it hurts more for me since I don't like that hot burning kind of feeling. It feels like tiny little needles that spontaneously appeared in my skin and I hate it.

I need answers asap and google is bitchin'.

Estrogen blockers.
Their effects are reversible, right?
Does having no (or little) estrogen in your body without testosterone kill you?
Estrogen is what feminizes your body in the first place, right?

I'm a very late bloomer (fresh 18) and I think I might just have started true puberty now, fuck if I know, all I know is my hips have suddenly started getting wider and my tits much bigger n overall I've been getting much softer n fem and not even mild exercise n diet is fixing that shit so fuck, what the fuck is up.

Was wondering if estro blockers could stop that or slow it down because due to laws I've still got a few years of medical accompaniment before I can even get considered for T, otherwise that shit would be injected in my ass ASAP.

>>5806490
The number of required session is heavily dependent upon your hair follicle density. I have a somewhat low follicle count on my face so I've noticed, after not having a session for 6 months, that the area where I had electrolysis done has a significantly thinner hair density.

They generally like to clear hairs in patches, kinda working there way outwards from a starting point because it's easier to keep track of. For me it took 2 sessions to clear my chin, lower neck, and cheeks. I haven't had anything for my upper lip because that's the shit that scares me as it's supposed to be a lot more painful that the rest of the face. But I expect side burns to take 4 sessions to clear once.

But, if you read >>5806492, you'll notice that hairs will start to pop up where you previously cleared. But, usually, for a single hair it is one and done. I've had a handful of hairs that didn't die from the first hit, maybe 5 per session or so out of around 4-5 hundred. Those hairs tend to grow back at a slower rate and transparent, so they are easy to maintain.

On average, I believe it takes 7-8 hours to clear the face the first time, less the next, and so on. Eventually it'll get to the point where you'll go in for short 15-20 minute sessions for clean-up work until there's nothing left.

I've had maybe 6 hours done so far, but it's been super spaced out so my hair is still thick in some places, but almost completely clear around the chin and neck and I plan on targeting my sideburns next since I want to get a good hairline going.

I haven't mentioned cost... I get a rate of 70/hr discounted from 88/hour since I'm a student. This is significantly cheaper than the average which I have found to be closer to 120-130/hr. I found one lady who worked for 40/hr but it felt shoddy and she only did thermolysis, which is shit. Gotta find that safe balance.

>>5806498
Nah, testosterone will WAY overpower estrogen. It isn't necessary to block estrogen.

As for what feminizes, it is estrogen but a specific kind called Beta-Estrodiol.

Just take testosterone and your levels should be fine, just take a look at wikipedia for fuck sake.

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>>5806522
Hoe i just said i can't take T yet
Fuckin laws
I don't even want necessarily changes, I just want the no-changes, ya feel
I can't wait anymore, I'm going nuts

>>5806544
Listen here bitch, there is a massive library of information linked in the fucking OP.

If you're to fucking lazy to read through that shit, and apparently to lazy to learn how to use google, then you don't deserve to get any T.

Here, I'll be nice and let you in on a little secret... Inhouse Pharmacy. All Day Chemist. eChecks.

Figure out the next steps yourself.

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So I'm almost two weeks in on HRT, I'm on estradiol and spiro and so far:

1. My energy is about half of what it used to be
2. I'm constipated
3. I can't seem to put on weight no matter what I eat
4. I get randomly sad for no reason. Not depressed I would say, I just want to cry, like everything's so emotional and sad all of a sudden! Then it's back to normal

Should I go see my endo or is this normal? Do I have some condition?

>>5806544
Just ask the big guy at a local gym for Test-e.

>>5806575
I've heard of people losing energy, haven't heard of getting constipated from it.

Kinda hard to gain noticeable weight in 2 weeks, but some people find it easier or harder to put on weight on HRT. Easier seems to be more common to me though.

The getting emotional thing is super common.

If you feel concerned definitely talk to endo, its your body.

Is there a difference between taking 4 x25mg vs 1x 100mg with Spiro?

>>5806815
yes, incredible annoyance trying to split pills for no reason. just toss it down your throat

>>5806888
It's more that I can get 4 25mg pills cheaper than 1 100mg pill.

>>5806898
then no, no difference. just take 4 at night

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Today I had a dream were I had a dick and my bf was about to fuck me, until one of his friends came into the room and things got awkward
How do I get over the pain that that'll never be real?

>>5806575
Fatigue, muscle ache and constipation is a side-effect of Sprio, which you may or may not be experiencing. The loss of energy could also be due Estradiol, as it's reducing your muscle mass to female levels.

>>5806946
Could try therapy.

>>5806482
>laser kills hair follicles
No it doesn't, it damages certain parts of it that might appear to kill it. It's very much still there and alive, just growing very slowly and lacking pigment if you're lucky.

>>5806946
Are you an ftm? You know dick transplants are actually very close right? Like way closer than vag transplants anyway.

>>5806946
>>5807262
If this is true I'll be one of many MtFs interested in selling.
Slightly used.

>>5806575
Spiro lowers testosterone, which may affect your energy levels. If your blood pressure was normal before, your blood pressure will also be lowered, which may make you feel off/lethargic.

Constipation is because spironolactone is a diuretic; that is, it causes you to piss more. You'll need to up your fluid intake. Things like gatorade, to help keep electrolytes up, and fibres supplements might help here.

How many calories are you eating a day? How active are you? Estrogen lowers your caloric needs, so it should be easier to put on weight, not harder, but it's still purely a function of calories in vs. calories out.

I've heard a lot of transgirls experience the emotional thing. I never did, but it's pretty common.

Hi guys/girls.

I'm 16(turning 17 next week).

I was always more feminine and girly than all guys I know/ever met even.
The last few weeks I wanted to be more feminine. I always kinda wanted that, but I surpressed the urge to do so because of society/being laughed at.
Since puberty I always fantasized about being a woman.(Sometimes sexually usually not).
Last week I started to wonder if I might be transgender. I read a lot about the subject and a lot of the factors apply to me.
I never really experienced any kind of 'Trapped in my body' feelings, but since recently a lot of times when thinking about being a woman I have a warm feeling that feels like a combination of hapyness fear and warmth.

So I want to ask you: Am I trans*?

I can tell mote if you want.

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>>5807262
>You know dick transplants are actually very close right?
Well now I know, and will keep it in mind in the future. Thanks family

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>>5807262
Please soon
Please soon
Please soon

What I really want is a full GiTS-style body tho tbqhfam

>>5807493
>Since puberty
You are still in the throes of puberty. If you are trans, you can still save yourself where the legions of hons cannot. No one can answer the question of whether you're trans but you.

But yes your experience seems pretty typical of the people whose dysphoria starts with the onset of puberty.

>>5807143
Ok, you're retarded.
The whole point is to generate enough heat at the base of the follicle to kill it using the hair as an energy transfer medium. Because damaged follicles don't produce thick or pigmented hairs, successive treatments become increasingly less effective. So, the purpose is to kill follicles but the actual result is just a fuck ton of severely damaged follicles to heal slowly over time.

>>5807356
>Things like gatorade, to help keep electrolytes up
Probably not the best idea since Gatorade contains a lot of potassium

Will mtf hrt make my neck any smaller/thinner?

>>5807916
It doesn't contain 'a lot' of potassium. It contains 3% DV, and, EVEN WITH SPIRO, the body still needs potassium. Eating 200% of your DV of potassium every day is a bad idea, but even on spiro you need to keep your potassium up. Spiro is not a potassium supplement, it just makes you pee out less of it. You're still pissing it out tho.

You don't need to avoid spiro on potassium. You just need to not eat like 10 potatoes every day.

>>5807962
I'm wondering this as well

I would assume it would if you had fat on your neck

>>5808074
I don't have any fat on my neck but the muscles in your neck must get smaller right?

>>5808219
I'm not too sure, but I guess it would make sense if they did.

You could look at transition timelines and maybe see if they have a slimmer neck afterwards?

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I guess I'll post in this thread too
Well I have agp but is kind of different like sometimes I like to act masculine but its usually so girls can like me or in fantasies about impressing girls (sort of blanchard theory that tru trans transition in order to attract straight men), I also like beards (even though I can't grow one) and I would definitely prefer to be an old man with a beard (like a wizard) than an old woman but I also have an idealized image of myself which is definitely more androgynous or girl-like, this one is the one that I have in my mind most of the time or when I'm in a more neutral state, its like depending on the situation my mind would shift and try to attain different looks, that's why I don't know if I should transition or not but I'm 21 already and I need to make this choice, does anybody else has this problem? I would love to look like pic related but I would also like to look like tom hardy in the revenant sometimes, its so weird, I like mostly girls but sometimes I feel attraction to certain guys...

i remember finding an informed consent place in houston, but apparently i never wrote the name down and now I can't find it. anyone know what it might be? i know there are some people on here from houston

>>5806350
no credit card? no online bank?

>>5807983
Most people don't get near the DV for potassium anyways, which is like 4700 mg.

>>5807983
what if I'm a vegan and every potassium-high food listed is the kind of healthy shit I eat on a daily basis? I'm stupidly anxious when it comes to health.

I'm a manly bio girl. Will phytoestrogens help?

What can't hrt fix for mtf?
How do I know if I'm completely fucked and will never be a girl?

I keep deciding I'm not trans and I can just be happy as a man and then the dysphoria hits.
How do I make the happy feelings stay?
I don't want to transition. There's no way I could pass even in a dark alley and I don't want to be a freak.

>>5808737
Bones. Shoulders, ribs, legs, hips. Also face bones but those can be fixed... to some extent... for the right price.

>>5808430
Sound like gender fluid or genderqueer rather than trans to me but I'm no shrink.

>>5808741
>I keep deciding I'm not trans and I can just be happy as a man and then the dysphoria hits.
If you have to make a decision over and over you haven't made a decision.
>How do I make the happy feelings stay?
You transition.
>I don't want to transition.
Tough.
>There's no way I could pass even in a dark alley and I don't want to be a freak.
You don't know until you try, and if it doesn't work out you can just go boymode forever and still transition if surgery reaches the point it can fix whatever is wrong with you.

>>5808737
you can workout your hips a little/get fat injections and use a corset for ribs. There are women with broad sholdurs, no hips/ass, ect. beauty culture blah blah blah. I understand wanting to feel pretty sometimes but you have to accept your limitations or end up a plastic mess.

>>5808836
>corset for ribs
I'm digging the Victorian MtF now. Petticoat and corset to hide all the masculine features.

I'm starting to transition, and i wanted to just take an AA in the meantime to prevent anything from worsening. Should I go spiro or finasteride? I can get 50 days of spiro for the same price as 22 days of finasteride.

>>5808976
Spiro

>>5808978
Is there any difference between the two?

>>5808998
fin is a dht inhibitor, spiro will be more effective for what you need

>>5808978
>>5809018
Nother anon here. Is it safe to take spiro and finasteride at the same time? I need finasteride for my hair.

>>5809055
I've seen a few anons take both should be fine

>>5809064
Cool beans. Cheers

Could anyone help clarify, what exactly is the difference between WPATH and ICATH?

>>5809143
Warpath is the most popular cross server Horde guild in World of Warcraft and iCath is a free tool available for your iOS device designed to assist health care professionals in determining the appropriateness of diagnostic catheterization and revascularization.
Totally different.

>>5809170
It all makes sense now

I really want to start to transition, but there are no gender therapists in my country, and no trans-experienced endos, and there's only 25mg Spiro on pharmacies so can't really get to self medding properly.
W-what do I do, I really want to become a girl...

>>5809380
Are you a shitskin?
If no, come to America.
If yes, go to Brazil.
>b-but I don't want to move
Then you don't get to be a girl.

>>5809390
I'm latin-american, but I look nothing like a latin-american. Pretty white desu.
I really want to live in the US! I just don't know how I could get to legally live there so...
And I hate Brazil. But I guess I'll start looking up stuff about it.

>>5809435
>I just don't know how I could get to legally live there so...
Just get in before Trump is elected and you're in. Illegal Mexicans have more rights than felons in California.

Can a school counselor prescribe hrt?
Can they diagnose gid?
Is there anything they can do?

>>5810016
A doctor who can prescribe HRT may request the opinion of someone such as a school counselor to tell them that HRT is right for a person. How a school counselor's opinion is of any matter to a doctor I don't know, but still.

>>5810016
>Can a school counselor prescribe hrt?
like why would you even think that

I work in Japan now as an English teacher. My boyfriend is Japanese and suspects I am trans but doesn't know I want to transition. Guess I have to break up with him soon..

Anyway, I was just wondering if it is illegal to import to here? and if not does anyone know any websites that ship hormones to Japan, and which hormones should I take? I really have no idea where to start.

it looks like i'll end up being short on estrogen for some time because qhi hasn't sent a single status update for days after i ordered. so do I just keep taking 2mg until I run out or should I try to ration it at some point? I have 16 pills left

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Pre MtF here.

I am 18. 5'9, 16" shoulders, 149lb (although I am hoping to lose 11 or so pounds). Can I pass body-wise with these measurements? Can provide more if needed.

Another question: How do I get my hair to grow straight as opposed to around the side of my neck? My hair grows fast but it's a cunt. Pic related. It's all downhill from there.

>>5810744
where do you live?
i'm switching from oral progynova to injected progynon. i'm planning my first injection for the 12th so my last pill will be on the 11th and i'll have 9 pills spare.

so yeah if you're a britbong and desperate you could add me on skype and if qhi still haven't dispatched by next week, i could mail you out my blister-pack with the last 9 just to tide you over a little longer.

>>5809143
my understanding is only basic but wpath has more international coverage in advising and setting best practice guidelines for healthcare practitioners in their overseeing of care of transgender individuals.
icath differs in that it's geared towards the patient taking their own care into their hands rather than having healthcare professionals call the shots for them.
informed consent is far less prevalent in the world than professionally gatekept trans healthcare, simply because like, in europe we have a lot of nationalised or "social" healthcare infrastructure where the cost is more to the taxpayer than the individual, so... people dabbling in HRT without adequate supervision can't really be justified as a cost to taxpayers (even though the cost to taxpayers of having professionals gatekeep HRT is probably more haha)

>>5809055
finasteride is a 5α-reductase inhibitor. it stops that enzyme from converting testosterone to DHT. so if you are suppressing your testosterone levels already with spiro, you shouldn't need finasteride anyway because you shouldn't have enough testosterone to be converted into DHT in the first place.
if you're just starting (or yet to start) spiro though, you could take finasteride in the meantime for a short while until your testosterone is adequately suppressed.

DO NOT take finasteride and then come off it without first suppressing your testosterone.
inhibiting the 5α-reductase enzyme means low DHT, but raised testosterone since it isn't being converted to DHT anymore. that's not a problem until you get off it, and the reactivated 5α-reductase enzyme suddenly gets to work on the excess testosterone and boom, all the progress you made on the finasteride is lost.

finasteride is a stopgap and of limited use IMO

>>5810903
Someone shed some light on this for me?

>>5808522
probably not although no harm in trying.
but if you're "manly" it's probably less from low estrogen and more from higher than average testosterone. the best way to boost estrogen then is by encouraging aromatase to convert that excess testosterone into estrogen.
unfortunately the internet isn't entirely helpful in this respect. all i could find are
http://www.livestrong.com/article/445623-foods-that-boost-aromatase/
and alcohol apparently although not red wine because it contains stuff that does the opposite.
other than that, low-dose anti-androgens maybe?

>>5810903
>>5810991
passing is more complex than that though. you can't simply reduce your body to a bunch of measurements and hope to get a clear idea of whether you'd pass or not from it.

a historical case study was how the Nazis tried to employ physiognomy to be able to reduce racial traits to defined metrics.
it doesn't work and doing so let a fair few j00s slip through the cracks (see Europa Europa for example).

essentially, "passing" is a conglomerate of a lot of different factors taken as a whole.

you're 18 though, and although your jaw is a little angular, it's not david coulthard or crimson chin levels of unpassing at all. from what little we can see, you probably could pass in time.

as for hair? yeah my hair is a mess too, it's just something you have to get used to, there's not much you can do about it unless you're willing to put it through the damage of using a straightener, or can afford to get it professionally styled.

>>5811007
Thank you. What steps do you recommend I take before getting on HRT?

>>5811017
desu you're not asking the right person, i'm still boymode af. i just happen to know a lot about hrt options because i'm not one for blindly getting onto drugs without finding out exactly what they do and what other options exist.

of course there's some basic stuff that the sooner you get nailed down the better:
1) voice training. this is my biggest anxiety currently is i'm not making much progress with voice, but it's hugely important. it's also one of those things you can like, easily hide your progress in by dropping down to your natural register to go boymode in public.
2) hair removal. more ideal to do this once you've started an AA so that it doesn't creep back again, (ergo if you're on a shoestring budget, laser hair removal before HRT might not be the best option), electrolysis probably better but essentially you can still boymode with absolutely no facial hair. if you start looking like a girl with a 5 o'clock shadow that's not so good.
3) just getting the hang of good personal grooming and styling. growing your hair out, plucking eyebrows, practicing basic make-up etc.

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>>5811035
Thanks for the advice. Voice training worries me the most since I trained my voice back in '12 to be deeper because everyone else had deep voices (damn gender norms).

I'm hoping my facial features become softer so the jaw isn't as angular, as you say. I also hope to have hair like Bjork's one day; she's my idol.

>>5811052
i know those feels. everything from trying to deepen my voice (i even broadened my regional accent), to consciously changing how i walked and carried myself.

>>5811061
Everything but my voice is rather effeminate, hence the worry. I reckon I'll pass well, and easily, physically, but vocally not at all. What sorta techniques are you using?

>>5808520
Then consume licorice root, it causes extra potassium secretion.

>>5811064
focus on resonance first and foremost, and building muscle-memory in the muscles used for raising the larynx up and back
ie swallowing and trying to hold it up there and restrict the descent.

pitch-wise, doing slides in the upper range of your register without breaking into or out of falsetto.

and then there are the exercises focused on how to enunciate your vowels... umm, sorry i don't have the guides, videos and resources to hand that explain all of this better.

>>5811075
This all sounds so complicated. Have you heard from anyone here who's had vocal chord surgery done, and how it's turned out?

>>5811084
not heard from anyone on /lgbt/ although honestly it might do you well to hang out in the mtf general for when discussions on surgeries crop up (if you can stand the catty bs there).

i am very particular about my position on vocal feminization surgery after hearing numerous examples and hearing different stories of surgery results.
essentially it comes down to this - pitch comes second to resonance in terms of feminization. vocal chord surgery primarily alters pitch, you have no idea where your pitch will be for months after surgery as it heals, you risk damaging your vocal chords and getting a croaky voice or losing it completely, you might end up sounding like mickey mouse, and while yes, it sounds more feminine, you still NEED to do voice training or even get coaching in that respect for resonance because... i dunno i think normal people on the street wouldn't necessarily clock you, but after hearing enough post-vfs transwomen i can definitely pick up on certain characteristics.

if you must get vocal chord surgery, most people seem to opt for yeson's method. others vary from either not being as effective or as lasting, or those that do last more are even more invasive and risky.

personally if i were to get vocal feminization surgery, i wouldn't touch the chords. i'd opt for thyrohyoid elevation, and that procedure alone (alongside voice training). thyrohyoid elevation is more aimed at resonance than pitch it's pioneered by Dr Thomas who often combines it with a really effective and lasting, but invasive and risky, vocal chord and trachea surgery, but he'll do the elevation on its own too.
it means if you also wanted vocal chord surgery you'd have to go to a second surgeon for yeson style chord surgery after but yeah...

>>5811100
interesting, I'll keep it in mind. It's a rather costly procedure but I could get it done.

I'm half black but I think I'm trans white as I'm always called a coconut, Oreo, uncle Tom etc.

Black people hate me and I hate people calling me a PoC which just sounds like POCK to me.

What do I do

>>5811195
we can only pray that stem cell biotechnology advances far enough, soon enough, for first-gen mixed race people to opt out of bearing children with their natural, recombined gametes and choose to exclusively pass on the chromosome in each pair that they inherited from one parent or the other.

this would allow you to have white kids with a white woman without passing on any of your black genetic material.

(i'm assuming that you're a first-gen mix and at least one of your parents could be considered racially pure)

Anyone else feel waves of unsureness at times?

>>5811226
My parents are black British and white British. I'm female.

>>5811231
>woman
sorry you threw me off with
>uncle tom
so i just assumed you were male

>>5811236
Yeah it's a genderless insult black people use for any person they perceive as black.

>>5811230
in what direction? you're comfortable being cis most of the time but are unsure about managing occasional dyphoric feelings, or you've accepted you're trans but you're unsure you actually are?
for the latter, i think the biggest thing for me is paying attention to exactly what triggers your fears over doubt. for me, every single time it has come back to that i fear social repercussion, which is exactly what kept me repressed for so long.

>>5811261
lol but i thought it was uncle tom and aunt flo
or uncle ben and aunt jemima if you're referencing food brands
also forgot to mention that the whole stem cell gamete business doesn't change by sex so you'd still be dandy

>>5811272
I'm more or less trans, but I have fears regarding passing, social repercussion, and the occasional feeling of "You don't need to do this, anon."

>>5811286
Also, I'm unsure I actually am, as you noted in your response. How am I supposed to really know?

>>5811286
>>5811300
it's hard to say, it's something i think we all have to figure out for ourselves, but when it comes to repercussions and figuring out how sure we are that we are, the 2 can kinda go hand-in-hand.

like with me for example when i did come out to family and my mum reacted negatively to it (i had to move out), and i suddenly saw how being trans could detriment me, it's like i had plenty of opportunity to backpedal and completely take transitioning off the table again if it meant i could continue living more comfortably without such worries.

but of all the times when doubt could have cropped up, oddly enough that wasn't one of them. it just strengthened my resolve that it was something i had to do.

so i guess it's something you won't really know for sure till you have made more progress in that respect. it's a massive unknown and your doubt could be nothing more than a fear of the unknown, and even if it doesn't work out well, having the unknown behind you could give you a lot more clarity

>>5811323
And, going by the chart on OP post, I could easily come off HRT with few long term repercussions, right?

This has been enlightening; thank you.

Does anyone here have an idea on how I might go about obtaining an identity card within the EU that allows me to list the name I'm actually using in my day-to-day life?

I've been looking at the UK's deed poll method (fuck civil law, common law's the way to go) and I could actually get a legal photo ID under my new name if I had a driver's license, but unfortunately I don't and I haven't been able to find any other decent option thus far (the UK doesn't have national identity cards).

I've no intention to defraud anyone and don't mind the issuing office (or the government) knowing about the name change; I do actually qualify for a legal name change in my jurisdiction (which is infamous for being hard on name changes) but there's some bullshit about my surname (words describing living things and non-living things have different rules apparently - it's fucking weird) that stands to delay the whole thing by a lot of time and I'm kinda sick of having to avoid places where I might be asked for an ID and consequently "outed".

Wouldn't be surprised if I'm shit out of luck but I figured I'd ask anyways.

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>paying for moans through Western Union

>get a phone call for security purposes
>have to endure ten minutes of Patel asking me how I know the receiver, what the money is for, trying to warn me about fraud, etc.

God damn am I going to have to go through this every time I order, or (hopefully) just the first time?

>>5811480
Could try paying with Bitcoin, I guess. Also a hassle, but maybe a kind of hassle you'd be more comfortable putting up with.

>>5811510
Does IHP accept bitcoin?

I mean Jesus, I shouldn't have to feel like a criminal just to buy freakin' pills for my own use.

>>5811359
i think the main repercussions of coming off HRT are gyno and infertility, depending on what you take, at what doses and for how long.

>>5811390
hmm. i had a look around but honestly, every other option seems more complicated than just completing a deed poll.

>>5811480
that's weird. my bank is pretty stringent on fraud prevention and constantly blocks my card (although this only results in my last transaction being declined and me unblocking the card by responding to a text).
i paid through western union to some croatian once and i had no problems. if all else fails, could you just withdraw money at an ATM and take it to a western union office on the highstreet?

>>5810903
You're the ideal height for female runway models and your shoulders are small enough so that you can fit into a woman's size S. Grats.

If I'm self medding, how do I gauge whether or not I've reached an "ideal" dosage without bloodwork?

>>5812126
When your boobs are growing and you aren't dead.

according to my therapist, for me to be allowed on hrt i have to have a lot of stereotypical womanly traits, my problem is, i dont know what this means from the mental side of things, i have always had a more feminine state of mind i believe, but i cant put words on it.
how do i know if i have the traits or not? i never looked at myself in the black and white view of "this is male and this is female," especially when it comes to stereotypical traits

is it okay to apply mascara without using a lash curler

It's fairly normal for straight guys to get jealous over good looking women, r-right? I don't mean in the sense of wanting to sleep with them either. I just mean in an, "I wish I looked like that," kind of way.

>>5812335
it's normal as long as you feel comfortable as a guy

>>5811480
I work for a bank in this regard. It won't happen every time. Western Union is just used a lot for scams, but as more transactions go through it we learn it's normal for you and nothing to worry about.

>>5812250
find a new therapist if possible, that's fucked up

>>5812250
>you can't be a woman if you don't like pink

Your therapist is a crock of shit.

>>5813162
>>5813182
if only,.. this is what i hear everyone say about the clinic ill be referred to, in denmark theres only one clinic that has authority to get you on hrt, and stories go that they are gatekeeping hella hard, you have to be attracted to men, you have to wear satin underwear, you have to wear dresses constantly etc

>>5810943
thanks but i'm in the us.
should i start rationing now? maybe take 1mg which would double my time left?

>>5811534
why not use echeck? why not use another site that accepts cc?

>>5799921
>old women fall apart
you're just vain

5'5" shoulder length 17.5-18 inches am I fucked?

>>5813309
oh, that's a pity. yeah i guess ration out.

>>5813430
did your parents emigrate from the mines of moria or something?
in all seriousness though it depends on if you have hips to match

So I have a job that involves moderate physical labor (gardener, sometimes have to lift heavy buckets and bags)

Will continuing at this job interfere with the effects of HRT? Like will it keep my muscles from going away?

>>5814131
anti-androgen plus calorie deficit means you're almost sure to lose some upper body strength.
the one downside in this respect is it might make the estrogen's fat redistribution a little less effective but hey... you'll still be toned... athletic girls exist y'know

>>5814166
>it might make the estrogen's fat redistribution a little less effective

What? explain pls. How can I make this more effective?

>>5814174
i dunno you could just join me on a dirty bulk, accept that you might keep more of your upper body strength, but more ass and thighs too.
it's a trade-off.
at the end of the day whatever you do, taking an anti-androgen is going to help you lose upper body strength whether you're in manual labour or not. it's just a matter of how quickly.

>>5814192
I'm still confused.
You're saying that if I eat my normal caloric intake now i'll keep my upper body strength for good?

I should mention that I'm only two weeks in on HRT.

>>5814204
Also I had no idea what a "dirty bulk" is lol.
Just googled it, doesn't sound like something I'd wanna be doing.

>>5814204
taking an anti-androgen means that if your body needs to make use of its potential energy, it will far more readily atrophy your upper body muscles to do so, whereas testosterone, being anabolic, prevents this and makes the body more readily break down subcutaneous adipose tissue.
but you still need to give your body a reason to need to break down that upper body muscle in the first place. if you're constantly fueling yourself throughout the day with gatorade and clif bars, your body won't need to go catabolic on your muscles

>>5813946
>did your parents emigrate from the mines of moria or something?
in all seriousness though it depends on if you have hips to match
sorry I meant my hips are almost as wide as my shoulders, and hrt is still cause more curves down there

>>5814302
you should be fine then. if you really need to you could waist train for an hourglass figure some more. but as stocky as you might be, at least you're not an inverted triangle like me aha... :/

>>5814319
Grabbing corset now :) also realised that I am closer to 5'6"

>>5814291
Makes sense, thanks for the info.

>>5813946
>>5810744
I'm thinking about ordering a small amount from a different site that has gotten me stuff in under two weeks. They only have the Estrofem equivalent (which jeez is so much more expensive per pill) while I've been taking the Progynova.
Would there be any problems for switching between them?
Would qhi take more than a month and two weeks?

Is there anything I can buy to make the pain during laser hair removal less intense? I'm scared the intensity we're doing it at atm is too low because it's all I can stand and I know I'm a total wimp. But I'm full-on crying and shit already. I need a numbing cream or something.

>mtf friend adores how sensitive her breasts have gotten
>mine aren't at all and I've been on longer than she has
Frustrating

>>5813205
Have you read the "Mascara and hope" pdf in the pastebin? It deals in part with the UKs gatekeepers.

You may find it useful

>>5815730
ill read it tonight, while the systems might have some differences, hopefully it will have a few good points that can be used here as well.

my main concern is, that most ive talked to havent said anything about how they had to have a stereotypical woman mentality

hey sorry to be like this but could someone confirm it's ok? i'm kind of drunk right now and I'm looking to buy my shit now so I don't run out and i just want to make sure it's ok. post here >>5815043

i know it's not very long to wait for a response but if someone has a couple secs and knows the answer pls

>>5815753
estrofem and progynova have the same 'ingredients' so to say. It's the same stuff, but different brand.

next thread:

>>5815933
>>5815933
>>5815933