Genuine gay relationships (also love/fluff posting welcome)

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Posting some fluff to kick start this thread (you'll notice it's all fictional, since otherwise I would've have made this call for help in search of real examples)

My great uncles (Grandparent's brother? I'm not sure the correct term) are in their 60s or 70s, happily married, and have been living together for over 20 years. One's a high powered lawyer, the other's some sort of administrator.They're kinda my inspiration.

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>>5780883

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>>5780891
Yeah?

That's encouraging. That kind of story/evidence is exactly what I'm looking for. Shit like Ellen Degeneres or Niel Patrick Harris or that brit diver twink (probably doesn't count since he's still so young, etc.) seem to be encouraging, too.

I'm just so disillusioned with gay people as a whole. I don't fit in with straight people (in THAT way) and I can't fit in with the gays, either. It's a very isolating experience.

I mean it when I say that if I know I can't find love in life, I'll just kill myself. I want to fall in love. I had a dream last night that my best straight friend from primary school was in love with me and we kissed. It was so beautiful.

If I were guaranteed right now that a relationship like that would never happen to me in real life, I would quite sincerely commit the most painless suicide possible.

I can't imagine life being worth living without love. And I can't see any love existing amongst gay people...

Also, I forgot to identify myself, so I'll pop on a tripcode as OP now just in case it's relevant later on.

Thanks for the contribution, anon.

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>>5780892

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>>5780910

>>5780899
I think the isolating experience is just a part of being gay. In an existential sense it's something you'll always live with, but honestly, all you need are some friends or a bf you can share your ideas and annoyances about the world with and it completely negates any of those negative thoughts. Our minds focus so much more on our friends when we're with them than any sort of issue like that.

You have to be really, really careful about making any general judgement about the way homosexuals behave because you'll always run into problems of sample size. Sample size of the people who are around you, sample size of the people who are out vs. in, sample size of whoever happens to be the focus of media, or whoever selects themselves to post here on 4chan. Try not to make sweeping generalizations because gay people are rare enough that you can actually afford to invest time into learning more about the people you meet in RL and making judgements based on that. You don't need shortcuts to prune out excess relationships.

On another note, I don't think a 'normal' gay relationship can be measured against a 'normal' straight relationship. They're going to function in fundamentally different ways. Still, I think having a dedicated gay relationship is very much possible.
Depends more on who you're spending time with than the fact that you're spending time with the same sex.

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>>5780991
>sample size
I agree with this idea. Still, I can't help but generalise what I see when it all fits together so well.

>You don't need shortcuts to prune out excess relationships.

In essence, this seems to boil down to "don't be picky". You're just telling me to give everyone a shot, because they're all so rare in the first place.

That's... kind of depressing. I understand where you're coming from, of course, but statistically I find it terrifying: heterosexuals already have a hard time finding love. Finding a person with sufficient intelligence or attractiveness / enough social capability / an appealing personality, etc. etc. etc. who ALSO happens to be within your age range who ALSO happens to live nearby who ALSO happens to be the same sex as you who ALSO happens to be gay would seem to narrow the probability down to almost literally zero. And that's just checking to see if they exist- it doesn't even take into account whether they'd even like you back.

You see what I mean?

The statistics scare the shit out of me.

>>5781017
The thing about the not needing shortcuts is less about who you choose to try and have a relationship with, and more about who you even give a chance to. We make so many little assumptions about other people we meet every day and I think most people don't even realize it. For me, it's actually kinda heartening, because I can actually judge those in this one particular group based on the people they are. I think that's how people should interact with everyone. Yet, because we interact with so many people, I've kinda got to admit that shortcuts and judgements are sometimes useful. It does feel good to let go of that when I'm talking to someone whose like me, though.

I also think it helps me with things outside of romantic relationships. It's good to have some friends who are gay. Just actual friends you can share things with. It's something you can rely on later.

While the numbers are small, the internet helps, and yeah, the *community* helps. A lot of people on /lgbt/ are really turned off by the idea of being part of what they consider the lgbt community, but you can find a place where you fit it. It doesn't have to be the community that stereotypes expect you to go into. There are lots of sub-communities withing the lgbt community, just as many and as varied as in the straight community, though that variety can often be hidden from casual observers. You kinda just got to harden up, explore, and find 'your tribe' or what have you.

I'm gonna go to bed. I'll see if this thread is back tommorrow. Good luck.

>>5781044
Thanks anon :)

Have a good sleep. I'll try and get back out there and give people chances, and socialise within the lgbt community.

Thanks for the heartening advice, friend.

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>>5780892

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Its rare. Blame modern leftism and queer culture.

> monogamy is "normal" ew
> this is freedom
> we're just guys being guys right =3

My only true legitimate monogamous relationship where I felt love was with a bisexual man who mostly dated, and was attracted to, women. Me being short, skinny, and hairless all over my body he found me "adorable" and we just clicked even though our personalities were very different. He treated me like a girlfriend. He made me a better person, encouraged me to fix shit in my life even though he was dealing with a lot of bullshit on his end.

We broke up because I used to give him shit for being a libertarian and not into LGBT culture, any part of the community, pride, etc. I also called him a closeted self-hating faggot over this and he eventually got fed up and left saying he doesn't want to be with someone who is trying to change him. Since then I've learned that he just was a straight guy who found me hot for some reason, loved me, and didn't find any of the queer culture shit amusing for reasons I'm starting to now... its mostly about escaping.

I stalk him on social media and he's now dating some red head girl and it makes me sad because it used to be his arm around my waist at cool and fun places. Typing this out kind of tears me up guys. Meanwhile, I've dated fuckboys and weird-actually-self-hating gay bros who will hide me like some gross secret. Thought I found someone who was decent and very very queer but he was fucking other guys too. =/

But uh its possible. Just don't know where to fucking look since anything that is dominated by LGBT tends to cater to the Top 40 music blasting self destructive crowd that hates anything real. Meanwhile the one who I lost turned to me when SCOTUS legalized gay marriage and said "this isn't the best way it happened but it happened and is now an option for us and many others who find the one to settle down with." =;(

>>5781107
Oh and before anyone assumes, he was very open about our relationship and would just shrug at people who were shocked and went "I guess I;m kind of bi whatever." Pics of us are still on his Instagram...

>>5781107
HAHAHA wow you're a horrible person and deserve all of your unhappiness

>>5781107
>kind and understanding man who loves you for who you are
>you were a total asshole at him
wow

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>>5781119
>>5781116
All of this. Jesus.

I mean, except for the 'deserving all your unhappiness'.

You did the wrong thing to someone who cared for you, and you blindly shoved ideology down their throat like a Hitler youth of the tumblr SJW crowd.

I'm not surprised they left you, but I don't think it's a sin worthy of eternal misery- especially not if you recognised your mistake and changed.

I want to believe there's hope for all of us. Even those of us who have made bad mistakes.

>>5781123
>has great bf
>is an asshole to him
>bf leaves him
>is unhappy as a result of being an asshole
any unhappiness that he has from his actions are completely deserved

>>5781116
>>5781119
>>5781123
I was 18 and dumb. This was like 2 years ago. Some of my friends didn't help since they associated his "straightness" and "hetero-normalcy" with hatred. Again, it's the LGBT culture logic.

I also had jealousy issues and always wondered if he was out fucking girls and assumed he was checking out girls all the time.

I learned a lesson. A hard lesson. What sucks though is I literally cannot find what I fucked up with again. "Plenty of fish in the sea" doesn't apply to us in general and with the idea of actual love its even worse.

One of those fuckboys even told me that as a "twink" I am doomed to just be not taken seriously and should just accept that most gay men see me as something to pump and dump. That's not even true because most gay men I run into are bottoms. =/

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>>5781133
>most gay men see me as something to pump and dump. That's not even true because most gay men I run into are bottoms.

Both statements seem to be widely true in my experience, too- not the being a twink thing, but in terms of relationship potential / bottom prevalence.


As far as I can tell, all us gays are just lusting after old straight male friends and desperately searching for a manly top to fulfill that desire. Vast majority, at least.

Definitely few fish in the sea..

>>5780880
I have a gay friend who happens to be married to a hot stud for several years. They're quite an attractive couple and I hope that they share many years with each other. I look up them, both as an inspiration and that they're tall too, because I want to love and be loved by someone. They were so adorable in their wedding photos.

Monogamous relationships are possible OP.

>>5781107
You're the type of faggot that I want to avoid and you make me sick. Why ruin such a good thing?

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>>5781133
>mfw hetero-normative, straight presenting, twink-loving, monogamous top
the world would be my oyster if I wasn't so ugly

>>5781107
What. The. Fuck.

This is dumb enough to be very real. :( Fuck you. Biscum here. I felt like someone stabbed me in the heart.

Straight acting, player who goes though the vaginal jew, femboi loving biscum. I accept the hatred that comes to us because most of it tends to be justified or come from those who have their hearts broken by us and are just ranting.

But fuck you.

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>>5781151
>femboi loving biscum
you're straight you fucking faggot get off of this board

>>5781151
On the bright side, I think he's happier now and I taught him how to cook better meals. =)

But I'm probably not going to find another guy like him =/

>>5781145
Where would you go if you were good looking and wanting a strictly-bottom twink boyfriend to be your girl? Grinder is bottoms and fuckboys. Craigslist is bottoms and murderers. College? Are bars great? I'll be 21 soon enough.

>>5781160
I'm 21 and in college. I stick to my room and just leer at twinks when I see them. I don't know where I would go if I were attractive.

>>5781160
It really depends where you are. Certain places are better for finding guys than others. I'm personally thinking of specific areas in specific cities, but you could probably google gay hotspots (granted they'll probably have the same bottoms and fuckboys on grinder)

>>5781184
The other issue now that I think about it is the type of guy my ex was wouldn't be there. I met him at a coffee shop when I was in drag and he thought I was a girl and asked me out. I quickly told him and he just chuckled and said "first time for everything I guess." I've done this a few times to no prevail. Got hit on once by a guy who quickly got awkward and left when I revealed I was a boy.

>>5781197
Well I'm not really sure how many guys like your bf and me there are; most would very probably be turned off if they find out you're just in drag desu. I suppose you could just put yourself out there as much as you can and see what sticks.

>>5781197
you're just one bucket of wtf after another

>>5781209
Again that's the fucking issue I have with this. Rare scenario that probably won't happen again.

>>5781212
Honestly I'm 88% sure that you're just making this shit up. If you're not then seriously wtf. Your best bet is probably just to find a 4chan bf. Seriously a gay guy that comfortable with being a man but is feminine enough to pass as a women when he wants to is in insane demand here.

Put the bait out there and you'll get hundreds of guys begging to get a piece. One of them will probably be near you.

>>5781222
How the fuck do people even hook up via 4chan?

>>5781222
Yes, I've used /cuteboys/ on infinite chan and /soc/ here. Met up with a few. Nothing like what I missed out on or that can seemingly blossom into an actual functional relationship.

> Seriously a gay guy that comfortable with being a man but is feminine enough to pass as a women when he wants to is in insane demand here.

Yes, as a fetish. After they blow their load suddenly, I'm of little use to them.

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>>5781228
attention whoring
casually describe yourself and what you want and then someone might say that that's what they're into. Then ask for their general location. If that's close enough then you can exchange skypes.
It's not a difficult procedure.

>>5781222
Also there's plenty of us lol.

>>5781240
>Yes, I've used /cuteboys/ on infinite chan
soooo you have pic there?

>Nothing like what I missed out on or that can seemingly blossom into an actual functional relationship
how so?

>Yes, as a fetish. After they blow their load suddenly, I'm of little use to them.
There's people who that's not true for. Personally I only really care about long term relationships and don't get much out of sex if there's not a romantic element. But once again I'm too ugly to date.

Just know that there's people who do want relationships

>>5781257
Without HRT? Boy I sure hope so.

>>5781240
>After they blow their load, I'm of little use to them

How unpredictable.

>>5781240
>After they blow their load suddenly, I'm of little use to them
So you fuck a bunch of guys and expect them to stay with you? Have you considered not being a gigantic slut?
Hell, I mean if what you're implying is true then you're used goods anyway.

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>>5781257
>>5781252
>>5781240
>>5781228
>>5781222
>>5781212
>make a thread lamenting the degeneracy and rampant casual sex of homosexual relationships, wanting affirmation that something decent exists out there
>immediately flooded with fucking pussy queens trading tips on getting "straight guys" to suck their feminine penises in hookups

Good job convincing me, you fucking morons.

Go make your own goddamn threads to trade AIDS tips. Jesus.

All I wanted was some wholesome, happy relationship talk, rational, level headed discussion, and a bit of cheery fluff to cheer me up. Looks like that's too much to ask for from you queens.

>>5781281
we're all talking about how to establish relationships not get laid

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>>5781279
>>5781272
This.

Please stop derailing the thread, you five cent whores. Not everything has to be about you. Take your grossly inflated egos and leave.

God fucking damnit, I just want a nice thread about relationships and love and happy fluff, and instead you come drag in your slut, trap, kink filth in here and complain about how people you treat badly (SHOCK HORROR) LEAVE YOU!

All get out. Go start your own "trap slut sex tips for picking up fuckheads from /b/" thread somewhere else.

Pic related, it's what this thread is ACTUALLY supposed to be about.

>>5781292
POZ MY PROLAPSE COLON YOU FUCKING PIG

I'm turning 26 this year. I've had one boyfriend in my entire life and it was years ago. I'm terrified of being alone forever. I have huge abandonment problems that I hide by acting like I'm happier alone. I don't have the courage to confide in anyone because I'll never be important enough to someone. Feeling melancholy and hugging my pillow is the closest loving comfort I get.
The thought of another real human being scares the shit out of me. No matter how alone I feel the hurrdles of trusting another man to love me, to see something in me that's special to them, to put up with me and share a life together seems like a fantasy I cannot fathom. Something I see other people enjoy, not meant for me.

>>5781292
So I'll try to keep the thread from derailing any further.

Some 4 years ago I met this guy via online. We were still teens then. He is a year older than me. We sort of hit it off, mainly because we were the first gay people we had met up until then.

After a while, we decided to be together, and naturally around 1 month after he decided to come onto me when hanging out.

I was scared as fuck to say anything because I didn't want to be weird. Eventually, one night, when we ALMOST had sex (he didn't fit), I decided I'd break up with him.

I chickened out. But I never found anyone else that fit my type as much as him. After several years of maintaining contact (he is still the only other gay person my age I know, and I think I'm the same for him) and not going into relationships, I sort of want him back.

I have matured a lot, and I think I'm on a good way. I've been chatting with him more frequently, and we might start gaming together again. He's sadly in another country at the moment but will return gen summer.

Wish me luck guys. I really think he might be the one.

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>>5780991
>all you need are some friends or a bf
well thats good
thats great isnt it

>>5781017
>>5780899
i feel this so hard. the only way to find a relationship that isn't sex based is to drop your standards so fucking low that it isn't even worth it anymore. you can either hop on grindr and fuck a bunch of ugly people or be alone forever, fuck i hate being gay

I didn't accept myself for a long time and generally ignored any nagging about my sexuality. All I've had were a few and algae between hook ups. About a year ago, I met a guy who was in a relationship who wanted to be friends. That didn't last long and we ended up sleeping together and are still a couple. We're monogamous, though early on he did try to pick up a guy for a threesome when we went out one night (without telling me, I just though he was being social). He also broke up with his ex, but not before they had sex and hung out for a few days (we were dating by this point).
I do like my bf very much, but I'm still afraid I won't be enough for him (he was much more comfortable with his sexuality and was pretty wild in his days, drugs, lots of hookups, threesomes, etc), but I'm just insecure I won't be enough for him in the long run. I dunno. I just try to look past it, and I'm hoping it'll work out somehow. I'm just much more fragile than I care to admit. But as imperfect as it is, it has some really nice moments.

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>>5781426
>fuck i hate being gay

This.
I don't hate myself for being gay, but god if there was a pill I could take that would reset my life up to this point to be the same, but straight, I would take that fucker in a heartbeat.

Fuck that "It's part of who I am" bullshit. Being straight is objectively better. Being gay has brought me nothing but pain.

The only, ONLY, redeeming feature will be when I finally find and fall in love with the most wonderful guy in the world and he makes me feel like I belong with him and he with me. When I can find something like that, when I can find a man who I would rather die than be without, I can finally say I wouldn't take the pill- to be with him.

Until then, I've got to keep hoping and believing in love.

More fluff please.

Just meet guys online. I was gayming with this guy who had very similar mindset with mine and one day I was like hey, wanna meet. So we went drinking to the beach. Both of us were kind of /polgbt/ and he was a virgin and you know where this is going. Internet makes things so much easier.

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>>5781450
>Being straight is objectively better.
yep, the world just ain't made for us gays. it's not impossible though! we'll get there!

>>5781450
Ok, the point I see here is, what do you really have to offer.
You claim
>Fuck that "It's part of who I am" bullshit. Being straight is objectively better. Being gay has brought me nothing but pain.
And yet, you whole identity seems to be about nothing but being in love...

Some beta straight guys tends to put the pussy on a pedestal but you my friend you are putting love on a pedestal, and for what?

It all just seems vapid and empty and not very different from making sexuality as your identity, you're just making romance your identity instead.

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>>5781518
>And yet, you whole identity seems to be about nothing but being in love...

>talking about love
>in a thread about love
>ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS LOVE DO YOU *DO* ANYTHING ELSE?!

Now go tell /v/ they do literally nothing other than play video games. People are what they talk about on the internet. Frontal lobes are for losers.

>>5781538
>Frontal lobes are for losers.
They sure are.
Again, what do you have to offer someone else, a place in your pre-defined movie about two gay guys in love.

>>5781107
Are you for real ?

If so, man, I'm pretty leftist myself but either put it clear that you don't want to get involved with someone you disagree with, or either put a figure and learn to tolerate your differences.

What you did was stupid.

>>5780880

My hairdresser is a blonde skinnyfat twink-mode type who's married to a Cuban skinnyfat also hairdresser. They're adorable, own a business together, and are presumably faithful to each other. Both ultra gay too. So it can happen.

Married gay guy here. My husband and I have been together for almost 12 years now (met our first year of college, got married after 7 years, shortly after moving to a state where it was legal). We're exclusively monogamous with each other -- in fact, aside from a bit of experimentation with other boys during early puberty, neither of us have had any other sexual partners, and we never will.

Here's the thing -- while I recognize we're outliers to some extent, relationships like ours aren't as uncommon as you think. In fact, most of the other gay men I personally know IRL are in similar relationships. And while it'd be fair to chalk that up to the small size of my social circle and my lack of involvement in the gay community (I'm only talking about two other couples here, one pair is married, the other is committed but doesn't want to bother with the legal formalities).

Think about it: if a guy is in a committed relationship, he had no reason to go seeking out other gay guys, unless he's doing some sort of volunteer LGBT charity work. And people in longterm serious relationships (especially marriage) tend to be more socially insular, and tend to hang out more work other couples. So how likely is it that you're going to randomly meet a gay couple in the wild? Only maybe 1 in 20 guys you randomly meet are going to be gay in the forest place, and how likely is it that this random acquaintance's sexual and relationship status is going to come up?

>>5782127
Good for you. I love hearing from people in established relationships. Like you say, it's not common to socialize in the same circles when single/longterm commited.

I think OPs point is that he has problem finding other single people with a non-slut attitude to life. I have the same problem.

>>5780880
>looking for examples of healthy, loving relationships
>on 4chins

We all know how this will end op

My brother and his boyfriend have been in a monogamous relationship for going on 5 years now.

>>5781107
You're one of the reasons I have trouble dating other guys.

I like your ex, don't buy into gay culture or anything perpetuated by the counter culture or the left.

I just want a QT best friend I can have bro time with and share my life with another person.

>>5782147
>he has problem finding other single people with a non-slut attitude to life
That's not necessarily because promiscuous guys outnumber non-promiscuous guys, though. It's just that, once two non-promiscuous guys find each other, they are likely to settle down into monogamy and go off the market for the duration of their relationship. But highly promiscuous guys never go off the market -- so they are much more visible, even though they make up a pretty small minority of the dating scene.

There have been various surveys and studies (I remember OKCupid of all places did a surprisingly good one on their userbase a few years ago) that show that on average, both gay and straight people have an median of only 6 sexual partners over their lifetimes. But gay men, specifically, have a very small population that has a much higher number -- I forget the exact figures, but essentially 1% of the gray population is having 50% of the sex. So if you aren't interested in being involved in that scene, don't worry, you aren't the odd one out.

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>>5780899
>I can't imagine life being worth living without love.
This is such a pathetic mentality to have, and it's extremely sad how the majority of humans feel this way. Learn to be content in your solitude and stop feeling like you need someone else to validate your existence. It's literally so fucking pathetic. It's fine to want friends, or close acquaintances, but feeling like you absolutely MUST be in a relationship in order to be happy is beyond stupid.

Anyways, if you're white and decent looking, you'll find a boyfriend 100%. It's not as hard as you're making it seem. Quit being such a dumbass and maybe you'll find someone.

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Tbh as odd and nsfw as this story is, I still find it super fucking cute.

>>5782263
They aren't outnumbered but they are hard to find. People who put themselves out there are usually the sluts, whereas the more reserved guys gets put in the corner. It's even harder to find them if they're shy, and so many of them are :/
>tfw no shy qt bf
How to find these guys? Apps are for hookups and clubs are full of STI-riddled flamers.

I've lost all hope at this point.
Guys can't seem to keep their dicks in their pants and be happy with what they have and try to make it work.

I'm a pretty fit, young-looking guy in his early 30s who likes gaming, reading books, tinkering on his PC from time to time when it's time to find upgrades who wants to find someone who gels with that. Cuddling a lot and doing stuff together like watching movies, shows or whatever and going out and trying out new restaurants and from time to time explore the outdoors locally or internationally.
Am I asking for too much?! Dammit.

>>5780899
I am in the same situation anon. All I want from life is a monogamous loving and loyal husband to fully devote myself to.

>>5781132
>biscum
>great bf
We would have demanded an open relationship and cheated on him within the first 5 years. That's what biscum always do.

>>5781450
Being gay is an integral part of your personality. To change it would make you an entirely different person.

>>5783126
*He

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>>5780880

there are many gay men in stable, monogamous, long-term relationships.

you don't see them because they don't go to gay bars, they don't have gay friends and they don't look/dress/act gay.

when you have something good, you don't want to be distracted by the 'gay community'.

as sippie wallace once said 'don't advertise your man'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9gvuVXt0U

>>5781107
That "bisexual" as in confused less picky promiscuous straight man with an anal fetish attracted to women without vaginas would have left you the moment you stopped looking cute and boyish. Long term relationships with biscum are a meme. They will all cheat on you or force you into an open relationship. Some of them even manipulate you into polyamory to a woman into the relationship.

>>5783242
*to bring a woman

>>5783242
>being the butthurt over breeders
Top kek, like normal yaaas queens show up

>>5780880
Why bond with someone, settle down and live happily together when one of you is inevitably gonna get stabbed to death one way or another by some dude on the street just for being a faggot?

>>5783260
Effeminate gays and traps wouldn't exist if "bisexuals" weren't attracted to them because literally no gay man likes them. Unless you are an "ex bisexual who converted to being gay because I prefer boypussy"

>>5783270
Where do you live? That doesn't happen in my country. If it happens in yours and you love the other person enough then you will give up everything and move away for him. If you put ambition and pride above him then you don't deserve a loving relationship in the first place.

>>5783278
>That doesn't happen in my country
That happens in literally every country.
Except the Arctic regions, because nobody fucking lives there.

>>5783284
(citation needed)
There exist gay couples who have survived for 50 years together through times when you could really get killed for being a faggot.

>>5783291
By being "just good friends" and having "loving wives" who were secretly lesbian with both couples living in mutual symbiosis with each other.

>>5780880
My uncle was in a monogamous relationship with someone and they lived together for about ten years. I thought that was pretty nice.

>>5783273
Well it just so happens that I prefer BP a lot more.

>>5782272
You can learn to love yourself and love spending time alone while still wanting to have someone in your life. It's not so much that you need to have someone around 100% of the time, it's that when you're constantly in solitude, life can become a bit routine and dreary. I'm pretty introverted so I often spend time by myself, but I still would like to have someone in my life whom I can love.

It's a delicate balance. I think OP is right in wanting to share life's experiences with someone, but you're also right in that you can't let yourself be dependent on another person. The combination of appreciating both independence/solitude and the company of another is what we should strive for really. Humans are mostly social creatures after all.

>>5783302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFt65gkkbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B237YJBK_Tw

This guy lived innawoods with his husbands
during the late 1800s :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Carpenter

This US president lived together with an other man in an obviously homosexual relationship in the early 1800s:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

>>5782346
This is the dream. Why is sex always placed at the forefront of a relationship? Obviously it's a key component, but it's just one of many that make up a meaningful companionship.

>>5783348
*husband
Accidentally put plural

Also my second link was not added
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

>>5780880
I was married and my wife passed away. Fast forward a couple years and I met a guy, and he's been the first guy I've ever been with. I was a complete outsider to this shallow "queer" world you describe, but I know it to be true because I have seen it in this guy's friends... and in the guy itself, because he's HIV positive as a result of his casual sex days. Nevertheless I loved him a lot, and he loved me, and he quit that world, and we've been together for seven years. It's been hard, especially his disease, but we do love each other, live together, work towards the same goal. We're planning to get married come December.

Trust me, it is possible for gay relationhips and love to exist and triumph, and also possible for people stuck in that world to change. I've seen it happen.

>>5783348
>innawoods
should speak for itself.
If I were to live like a hermit I wouldn't be bothered either.

>This US president lived together with an other man in an obviously homosexual relationship in the early 1800
His high class as a president protected him.

>>5783379
He is a reformed slut.

>>5783388
>If I were to live like a hermit I wouldn't be bothered either.

It is not like there is any danger of you being killed but love is obviously not a priority in your life if you would not go to this length for it. Those who fight for their love always find a way to stay together even in times when it is near impossible.

>>5783390
Yes, he is. The first year I was really paranoid about him still being a slut, because I only gradually realized just how bad his past was, but he said having something real made him happier than any casual thing would. He's proven this to be true (at least so far!)

The only reason I browse /lgbt/ is because I like reading HIV and magnetic couple threads, because of my situation. I realize most of the board is filled with sluts as you call them, way younger than me probably, and I try not to judge but it makes me feel a bit sad that most things are the way OP describes them.

>>5783422
He is still fantasizing about the previous men he has fucked while you are having sex. He is emotionally disconnected from sex because of his past so he could easily relapse. For him sex has no emotional weight. The only reason he is still not a slut is that nobody fucks poz holes so he had to find a loving husband to manipulate.

>>5783408
>but love is obviously not a priority in your life
yet
>Those who fight for their love always find a way to stay together even in times when it is near impossible.
I'd rather not waste time and effort on a hopeless battle when I could be doing more important things.

>>5783242
And what peer-reviewed evidence do you have to back any of that up?

>>5783466
The best proof that bisexuals are confused straight males is the Roman Empire. Everyone was bisexual in the Roman Empire and they were also into effeminate young boys. All emperors with the exception of one kept young boys as fucktoys.

>>5783476
And how do you know none of them were into men beyond "young boys"? Literally every single one was only into men of your description, you know that for a fact? A lot of people lived during the era of the Empire.

Why do you believe the supposed nature of the Roman Empire reflects the present day?

How do you know someone who is attracted to "young boys" is a confused straight guy, rather than a type of bi guy? Even "young boys" look completely different from women.

How do you explain the fact that I'm bi and into masculine men?

Also, you made a variety of other unsubstantiated claims in your OP, that you have yet to address.

>>5783476
Islamic societies had a similar attitude towards bisexuality and the vast majority of straight males fucked boys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

And I believe this case is definite proof that bisexuality is purely cultural: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siwa_Oasis

In the example shown in the link above all men of that oasis learned to be bisexual.

>>5783527
So are you saying every single male in ancient Rome was bisexual? Are you saying every single male in Siwa Oasis and Afganistan is bisexual? Bisexuality is cultural.

this thread explains why I hate gays therefore myself

>>5781411
this... I feel exactly the same way. some weeks ago a boy I've known for 4 years told me he loves me, we were both drunk, but I think he was sincere. and it felt strangely beautiful but also scary, I feel like concrete and I am afraid to show him my emotions

>>5783551
What? I have no idea whether or not everyone in ancient Rome was bisexual.

How do you know bisexuality is solely an artifact of culture?

I'm not saying culture isn't an influence, it probably is, but how do you know it's the only influence?

And even if it were solely a product of culture, how would that prove that it's just, and always, confused heterosexuality?

>>5783563
Because memes are dank?

>>5783527
They were not into men nor was it socially acceptable for them to be into men. They were straight men culturally conditioned to fuck boys.

>>5783597
because the majority are sluts, me too btw, I had sex with almost 15 different people in 3 years

>>5783596
All Roman emperors but one had young boys as sexual partners. This implies it was a common practice in the Roman empire. Also many Roman texts support this position. If bisexuality is not cultural how do you explain this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siwa_Oasis

>>5783603
You've never had sex you retarded straight pedophile dork.

>>5783608
>history made by straight peophile, written by straight people who conquered other straight people, made to brainwash straight people
>"This is legit guys, my kindergarten Christian teacher lady told me so!"

>>5783596
>And even if it were solely a product of culture, how would that prove that it's just, and always, confused heterosexuality?

They had wives and lived a normal straight life. It was acceptable to fuck boys alone and they themselves were only attracted to boys. "bisexuality" implies attraction to both genders and effeminate boys look like women without vaginas.

>>5783616
What? I don't get what you are trying to say

>>5783609
I am gay

>>5783608
You still haven't answered any of my questions. I already admitted that culture is likely an influence in some people. That does not demonstrate that is the only, and, indeed, always an influence. Do you know how many bisexuals there are on Earth today?

>>5783636
If it is not the primary reason then it shouldn't be capable of converting an entire population to bisexuality.

>>5783599
Right. This applies to modern bi people, how? I don't know many bi people who fuck underage boys.

>>5783645
Bisexuals are into effeminate gays because of their resemblance to teenage boys. Teenage boys are naturally effeminate as well.

>>5783625
All we know about ancient Rome and Greece is history recorded by Muslims and Catholics, both of whom were mortal enemies of Rome and Greece and were engaged in constant physical and political warfare with with Rome and Greece, and never said one honest word about them. It is just a case of straight high school students pointing at the unpopular straight kid and yelling "HA gay!" Just straights blaming everything on gays, knowing they're telling a lie, like straight always do.

>>5783626
No, you're a straight pedophile.

>>5783636
>I already admitted that culture is likely an influence in some people.

You can't admit something that's not true. That's not called "admitting." It's called "lying."

>>5783653
Even if I assume your baseless pseudohistorical assumption is true Islam had a similar attitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siwa_Oasis

>>5783620
I'm not just talking about the sexuality of ancient Romans, but all bi people. How do you know that all of these people are confused heterosexuals?

And, no, only the most effeminate of men look like women. I know very few bisexuals who are attracted to those kinds of people alone.

Again, how do you explain bisexuals, like myself, who are attracted to masc men?

>"Even if I admitted that all the lies that I'm telling might be lies, here's some more obvious lies."

>>5783662

They don't, they want us to not exist because bisex men can only be attracted to fem.

>>5783663
>Everything uncomfortable is a lie

>>5783668
>"If I cry Christian tears he'll stop."

>>5783670
You haven't provided any counter arguement you just shitpost

>>5783643
How do you know? It may be the case that culture can convert an entire population to any sexuality, or a majority of it, I highly doubt that every single citizen who ever existed in the Roman Empire was bi.

Whatever the case this certainly doesn't apply to modern bisexuality which is certainly not culturally mandated.

>>5783677
You told obvious Christian lies. There's no better counter argument then "shut up you Christian lying dog shit."

>>5783662
"bisexuals" like you, if you indeed exist, are a tiny minority. 99% of "bisexuals" are confused straight men. I have yet to see a single bisexual who is not only attracted to effeminate "men" so I will have to take your word for it if you indeed exist.

>>5783647
Once again, how do you explain bi people, like myself, who are attracted to masc men?>>5783653
Are you n

>>5783686
History is Christian lies?

>>5783687
What peer-reviewed data do you have to back up that claim?

>>5783681
>How do you know? It may be the case that culture can convert an entire population to any sexuality, or a majority of it

By this logic homosexuality can be classified as a mental illness. Homosexuality has been proven to be biological.

>>5783695
Who wrote it? Was it atheists who wrote it?

Are Christians even capable of telling the truth? And for clarity, make sure to frame your answer in the form of a, "no."

>>5783705
So all history of mankind is false because it was written by religious people. k

>>5783693
Woops. Forget that bit at the end.

>>5783707
Too bad you're being sarcastic, or you might have learned something for once.

>>5783705
Just give up, bisexuality to people on /lgbt/ is men that might be ok with fucking femboys and trannies, nothing else.

>>5783716
I will not give up. So long as there's child raping Christian dog shit on here farting through their fingertips, I will come here to make fun of it.

>>5783703
No it hasn't. The cause for homosexuality is still unknown. Sure, there are some biological correlates, but correlation does not always imply causation. If I had to guess, I would imagine that there are a mixture of biological, psychological, and social factors behind homosexuality, with the exact causes differing between individuals.

And, no, it couldn't be defined as a mental disorder under current criteria, as it would have to cause intrinsic distress, so not merely distress caused by social persecution, but distress per se.

>>5783722
Well good luck. They won't listen, they are pretty set in what bisexuality is here.

>>5783723
And, no, it couldn't be defined as a mental disorder under current criteria, as it would have to cause intrinsic distress, so not merely distress caused by social persecution, but distress per se.

Zoophiles have no intrinsic distress, neither do Necrophiles. It comes from social persecution. If homosexuality is cultural then it can be classified as a mental illness.

>>5783724
I'm less concerned with changing how dog shit behaves then I am with warning real human beings off. I've managed to kill one or two subreddits by pointing out that it's all child rapists shitposting in those subreddits, and this born has slowed to a crawl compared to how it was before I started telling the truth here. I'm just making sure all of the little pacifier sucking mommy's milk drinking kiddies that are too stupid too know that they're memeing alongside pedophiles are educated on how dank and meme and supa dupa 420 these chanz and chinz are.

>>5783733
>before I started telling the truth here.
I kinda went "what the fuck am I reading" when this thread went out of bounds.

Can you give me a tl;dr on that truth?

>>5783731
You have a point there. Though, I don't think those paraphilias should be in the DSM. You can imagine instances of these activities being non-harmful.

>>5783747
moot, the original founder of 4chan, is a pedophile, who's friend Snacks is a convicted pedo, and they established this website as a hugbox for nerd pedophiles, and from here they branch out to other parts of the internet, shitposting their retarded dog shit Christian pedophilia, just like the Catholic church and Muslims always have and always will do.

Part of the way the FBI profiles pedophiles is it establishes just how internet and computer savvy someone is. It's a proven fact that computer literacy and pedophilia go hand-in-hand, just like how retardation, Christianity, fatness and baldness go hand-in-hand with pedophilia.

>>5783756
>I don't think those paraphilias should be in the DSM. You can imagine instances of these activities being non-harmful.

This is sickening, but utterly expected from a biscum like yourself. You, unlike us homosexuals, are products of mental illness.

>>5783756
So fucking the dead should not be a mental illness, respect for the dead is an outdated Fascist Christian Racist concept. Biscum being biscum...

>>5783764
That's not much of an argument. Also, you're a little too big on the generalizations, aren't you? I'm sure most bi people would disagree with me on that one, as they are essentially the same as other people, namely, poorly educated, closed-minded, and somewhat bigoted/xenophobic.

You're also going to need a citation on that last sentence. Bisexuality certainly isn't in the DSM.

>>5783791
>I'm sure most bi people would disagree with me on that one, as they are essentially the same as other people, namely, poorly educated, closed-minded, and somewhat bigoted/xenophobic.

>not supporting normalization of necrophilia and zoophilia is bigoted and xenophobic

Here come the leftist buzzwords and false sense of enlightenment.

>>5783778
It's usually a bad thing. But, you could imagine a somewhat convoluted situation in which the body of someone who was uncared for, which will never be found, is fucked by a necrophile, causing no one any distress, or harm. That, if you're a hedonistic act utilitarian, like myself, isn't a bad thing. And, yeah, this has nothing to do with me being bi, I've just happened to have actually studied ethics and have thought about these problems beyond the instinctive reaction of disgust. So, yeah, most bi people would disagree with me on this, see the above comment for details.

>>5783791
I have proven to you are bisexuality is influenced by culture. No proofs exist that homosexuality is affected by culture. If bisexuality is indeed influenced by culture it can be easily be lumped together with zoophilia and necrophilia. Thus, you are mentally ill unless you consider these paraphilias normal. Then you go on and claim "most bi people would disagree with me on that one, as they are essentially the same as other people, namely, poorly educated, closed-minded, and somewhat bigoted/xenophobic unlike me, the enlightened highly educated open minded leftist hipster".

>>5783807
Biscum and a self described hedonist, oh boy I didn't see that coming.... It is just a coincidense that 90% of bisexuals on this board describe themselves as hedonist polyamorists... Do you need any more proof that bisexuals are hedonist promiscuous selfish subhuman filth?

>>5783796
"Leftist" is a buzzword if I've ever seen one. Also, I'm not a leftist, I'm a utilitarian. I've spent quite a bit of time studying both contemporary, and historical ethics, so given the average person's (lack) of education in the subject, I am relatively enlightened. Still very far from an expert, though.

>>5783807
So the unwanted dead should be denied respect. I hope your body is fucked by a necrophile.

>>5783812
You misunderstand my use of the word "hedonist". The meaning of the word hedonism in ethics, is very different from its colloquial meaning.

>>5783813
You are an "open minded, tolerant, highly educated enlightened hedonist bisexual ethics student who supports necrophilia and zoophilia"

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I'm not a gay guy, but I'm definitely not a "straight" woman.

I have the same feelings as you. I've felt true love and had real, meaningful relationships with women. It's sort of hard to find. I haven't had it for awhile. A lot of the women I date end up straight or something. I feel really isolated and don't identify with the gay community.

I feel like it seems worse for gay guys, though. Most of the gay guys I have met have been really focused on sex and not on love. Most of them are also shallow. There have been a couple of exceptions, though. I've been acquainted with gay couples that have been together for a really long time and aren't hypersexualized.

You really don't have to wear your sexuality on your sleeve. I think you should just not focus on it and keep the door open.

Picture sort of related; Colorado Springs is lame to live in if you're gay.

>>5783814
It certainly wouldn't bother me. I would be dead.
>>5783808
Bisexuality doesn't fit DSM criteria, look it up. Literally every psychiatric, and psychological authority disagrees with you on this.

>>5783807
I've just happened to have actually studied ethics and have thought about these problems beyond the instinctive reaction of disgust.

The issue goes beyond disgust. The dead deserve respect and animals should be protected from cruelty. No amount of "enlightened" mental gymnastics can change this fact. You are the personification of the spiritual syphilis that has consumed our academia.

>>5783824
Not actually an ethics student, biochemistry. I just read a lot of it in my free time.

>>5783834
>Bisexuality doesn't fit DSM criteria, look it up. Literally every psychiatric, and psychological authority disagrees with you on this.
It fits the same criteria as necrophilia and zoophilia. Those are considered mental illnesses.

>>5783836
Filthy deontologist!

>>5783844
It doesn't, though.

>>5783855
I have proven to you that bisexuality is primarily cultural. If it is indeed cultural there is nothing to seperate it from these.

>>5783862
What? You haven't proven that at all. And, besides, that is not a necessary, or sufficient condition for being considered a mental disorder. Look it up! In addition, some instances of mental disorder are primarily biological, so if homosexuality is biological, as you say, it could be considered a mental illness by your reasoning, too.

>>5783883
Homosexuality is most definitely not the result of brain chemistry imbalances nor is it cultural. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe mental disorders are either the result of brain chemistry imbalances or develop as a result of experiences.

>>5783901
No, the chemical imbalance theory is largely discredited by modern science, not enough evidence to support it. Mental disorders are not believed to be caused by a complex mixture of often quite elaborate biology, including the physiology of the brain, psychological factors, and social/cultural factors. Obviously, the exact cause of a disorder in any given person be quite particular, simply because the brain is so complicated.

>>5783921
*are NOW believed. Sorry.

>>5783921
I will accept that bisexuality exists, you have a point here. But this doesn't change the fact that unlike homosexuality it is almost purely cultural or that a straight man can convert to it. This also doesn't change the fact that while some of you are genuine the vast majority are straight men who like the feminine appeal of boys, nor does it change your overepresentation in every perversion and degenerate act imaginable or your inability to live moral lives.

>>5783942
It cannot be just me, every single bisexual I have known lives a shameless life of lust and revels in his own disgrace, using "enlightened" post-modern mental gymnastics and pseudomorality to justify his disgusting behavior.

>>5783957
I am almost certain you will challenge my definition of moral. You have warped your head with perverted philosophies to justify your life of hedonism and depravity.

>>5783969
If you're talking to me, then I don't think I live a particularly depraved life. I'm 21, and still a virgin.

>>5783791
>using xenophobic and open minded unironically

>>5784001
You described yourself as a hedonist, even if you do not indulge in degeneracy yourself you fully accepted as shown by your tolerance of necrophilia and zoophilia.

>>5784031
*accept it

>>5784031
And before you claim philosophical hedonism is different

Hedonism is a school of thought that argues that pleasure is the primary or most important intrinsic good.[1]

A hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure (pleasure minus pain).

Ethical hedonism is the idea that all people have the right to do everything in their power to achieve the greatest amount of pleasure possible to them, assuming that their actions do not infringe on the equal rights of others. It is also the idea that every person's pleasure should far surpass their amount of pain. Ethical hedonism is said to have been started by Aristippus of Cyrene, a student of Socrates. He held the idea that pleasure is the highest good.[2]


Philosophical hedonism is the school of thought followed by selfish soulless egomaniac sluts. Basically all bisexuals.

>>5784031
As I said, I'm an ethical hedonist, the meaning of the word in this context is very different from that in colloquial use. Ethical hedonism is the belief that only happiness is intrinsically good, and only suffering intrinsically bad. That's what I meant.

>>5784053
Pleasure is not happiness. Ethical hedonism = pleasure is the ultimate good.

>>5784059
But biscum are lustful subhumans so obviously they cannot make the distinction between pleasure and happiness. For them pleasure equals happiness. All in the name of pleasure... Nothing matters but the pleasure of oneself.

>>5784053
That makes it easy to look after oneself while neglecting all others. Life is full of suffering, and all relationships go through suffering at some point. I assume you would immediately divorce a future spouse at the first sign of troubles to avoid suffering? Or as soon as you got bored like all biscum...

>>5784087
And since pleasure is all that matters why not cheat as well? Or bring a third person into the relationship to make it more interesting and less boring. After all your pleasure is all that matters. You don't give a fuck about how your partner may feel because his happiness is irrelevant.

>>5784053
Hedonism is the belief that PERSONAL happiness is intrinsically good. Hedonism does not concern itself with the happiness of those around you. Your happiness is all that matters. Your partner is nothing but a means to your happiness until you get bored.

Let is be known that bisexuals, those lustful monstrosities who call themselves human, those shameless beasts, have broken another moral barrier by voicing support for zoophilia and necrophilia.

>>5782280
why is this the most adorable thing i've ever read

>>5781281
lmao going to coffee houses in drag is no better than posting on 4chan if you're looking for a relationship

>>5782280
what the fuck did i read LOL


...

and where do i get a boy like that ;-;

>>5784277
oh wait wrong guy never mind

>>5784059
This

The paradox of hedonism, also called the pleasure paradox, refers to the practical difficulties encountered in the pursuit of pleasure. Unfortunately for the hedonist, constant pleasure-seeking may not yield the most actual pleasure or happiness in the long run—or even in the short run, when consciously pursuing pleasure interferes with experiencing it.

Hedonism means that you are a massive degenerate pretty much. Your average bisexual. Open relationships, orgies, cheating selfishness and heart breaking included.

>>5782280
that is incredibly cute

why can't I have a bf that loving, legbutts?

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>>5784455
thx senpai these were qt

>tfw im not living that life

>>5784495
Happy you liked them senpai
iktf, I don't even know why I save these things when they just make me feel like shit

>>5781411
>I'm turning 26 this year. I've had one boyfriend in my entire life and it was years ago. I'm terrified of being alone forever. I have huge abandonment problems that I hide by acting like I'm happier alone. I don't have the courage to confide in anyone because I'll never be important enough to someone. Feeling melancholy and hugging my pillow is the closest loving comfort I get.
>The thought of another real human being scares the shit out of me. No matter how alone I feel the hurrdles of trusting another man to love me, to see something in me that's special to them, to put up with me and share a life together seems like a fantasy I cannot fathom. Something I see other people enjoy, not meant for me.

Holy shit. I feel the exact same way. Loneliness crushing my chest every night, but I'm too afraid to let someone get close to me, and when it starts happening, I start feeling like I'm not good enough for them and that I'm only using them because I feel lonely, so I push them away again.

I guess part of the reason is that the one time I truly trusted someone, he hurt me repeatedly (emotionally/psychologically) until I simply had to run away.

I'm 30, had partners here and there but never anything truly serious, which is what I want. I am a very subdued, masculine kind of top and I often wish I had a wonderful boyfriend to caress and be tender to. Inside, I am a major softy and I sometimes even daydream about the romantic things I would like to do to take care of a man. My main problems, and I don't know which is worse, is that 1) I hate the gay scene and so I have a hard time meeting people and 2) I also hate hysterical and mentally unstable people...

I know, I know, this sounds mean and heartless, but in my defense I spent a large part of my childhood being afraid that people in my family would go crazy. Like many children of fucked up parents, I adapted by trying to be "perfect" in order to prevent chaos and keep the peace. Now that I'm a grownup I don't ever want to go through that again, and so the one thing I absolutely need (in friends as well as lovers) is to feel confident in their mental health and levelheadedness. And my standards aren't unreasonable either, it's not like I need to be dating Marcus Aurelius here, I just want to meet a cute bottom who is on the same basic sanity level as my many straight friends whom I trust. Unfortunately, gays tend to be crazy (I sometimes wonder if I am too) so it is not easy...

>>5781107
Wow you just described me if I decided to be monogamous with men. As a bu guy I wonder this a lot. I'm definitely romantically and sexually attracted to men. But women are hotter and I'm closeted because of my family

>>5784059
Ethical hedonists use happiness and pleasure as synonyms. They just mean positive mental states.

>>5784087
>>5784099
>>5784133
No. I've already said I believe in hedonistic utilitarianism. Which takes right action to be the the act that maximises happiness/pleasure over suffering/pain for the greatest number of beings. So, a hardcore utilitarian would actually be required to live a life of immense personal sacrifice, and hardship, in the interests of the greater good.

>>5780880
I wish I understood why but I think true Monagamous companionship between gay males is so extremely rare you might as well count on being in an open relationship. Atleast in my experience.

I just got out of a 6 year relationship with a Christian gay and the whole time he'd go on about how he feels like "his people" are mislead and depraved and that he believes in lasting monogamous relationships, wtc, like you OP. But then the last three years he started yearning to go open relationship just like his coworkers who he used to say were disgusting for reason. We used to talk about marriage and all that but too, but that that changed and part of it was all of his gay friends who were sleeping around and telling him I was a meany for not going all open relationship. Last time we talked he yelled at me for "holding him back".

I would love to be proven but I just think our self obsessed society is moving away from monogamy atleast in the first 40 years of their life. And with gay culture fetishizing "daddies" etc you can take that lifestyle way past 40 even.

>>5781107
Hah, your ex kind of sounds a little like me. I was pretty much straight but a skinny gay kid with a soft voice can be seductive, especially if you've been on the net a long time. That and he was my rebound, I hate to admit. We connected and while it was about excitement at first, I truly fell in love with him and wanted to spend my life with him. Ironically he'd later just reveal to me he was just excited to be with a straight guy but didn't really love me past the first or second year we were together.

His friends used to tell him I'd dump him before long and go back to pussy after awhile but now I just want another guy to be with, but I don't really trust gays or women anymore.

>>5785603
>excited to be with a straight guy
>straight guy
>straight

How people can fall in love, and have sex with other guys, while insisting their straight is beyond my reckoning.

>>5785773
Ok, well the point isn't to be a faggot and get hung up on a label when it's a story of someone's first gay romance. No one in this thread is even insisting that.