HRT addiction?

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>>5780160
>ITT femgen the life story

>>5780160
>>5767997

>>5780166
>>5780183
But its time to stop. Its seriously crazy, i know a lot of femgen guys feel the same way. Hormones just seem to be complicating stuff, making you feel more comfortable and happy with whats happening, its not right

>>5780160
dont get obsessed with labels and identity politics garbage
ask a doctor about possible health risk, if there are none just taking them to stay a qt
i would love having a cute fem boyfriend

>>5780160

>Lets try to become normal boys again

lol that's so cute. You sound like you just need a good, hard dicking to keep you from worrying your pretty little head with big people thoughts.

>>5780192
There were always health risks. A lot. We just accept it for the sake of continuing with it, estrogen gets pushed on you on this board constantly as the best thing, worth the benefits, and then you start taking it and the mental effects probably just fool you into believing its right, but its not right and this shouldnt happen to boys.
>>5780196
Well i want some clarity on this topic so that maybe me and some others will find comfort in being a normal boy

Maybe then people wont be so condescending too...

>>5780191
I've occasionally thought that, but then I remember my body would fall apart almost instantly the moment I cut off its chemical sustenance. But hey, if you can live with sprouting body hair everywhere, loosing your hair and acne eruptions, then you're the stronger person.

>>5780196
L-lewd!
>tfw am trans but seriously have it for femboys in denial

>>5780229
Its all temporary, maybe after that we'll be happy with being masculine and relieved we can continue normal lives. Estrogen just changes your mindset.
>>5780237
>femboys in denial
Or maybe just boys that are only in this position because of trans people ;_;

>>5780252
HA!
You're whole post is funny girl

>>5780256
Just because i have the hormones of a girl doesnt mean my opinion doesnt matter like one :>]

>>5780160
>I just really like how they make me feel, mentally and physically, but i know i shouldnt and its crazy.
What do you mean, "you shouldn't"? Do you mean morally you feel like you shouldn't be feeling good when you take them, or that it doesn't make sense to you because you think a boy wouldn't feel good taking them?

>>5780252
Have you looked at Chris Croaker's Instagram? I don't want to turn into a fat hairy sack of shit like him. Flouncing fat bears who act like fairies disgust me. Keeping my body as something that suits me is needed for comfort.

Sure it's immature and an inability to let go, probably an addiction like you say but I've got something that lets me cheat nature and continue to be cute. Can live with selling my soul for that portrait.

>>5780281
Boys are supposed to have testosterone and thats what makes us feel good and function well, i think everyone that just persists with estrogen is doing it out of fear of testosterone making irreversible changes but we might actually like it. Our minds on testerone might like becoming more masculine
>>5780305
But when guys get older their mind matures and they accept all that stuff, maybe even like it. Whats to say you'd be some flamer, might just be a normal guy
>>5780307
I'm pretty scared to talk to a doctor. Where should i look?

>>5780281
Look at their posts, regardless of where they come down on the argument, they all treat HRT as if it's morally wrong, a mortal sin.

>>5780323
>Boys are supposed to have testosterone and thats what makes us feel good and function well
>Our minds on testerone might like becoming more masculin
...unless you're trans.

Even if you're not trans in-denial you really seem to be reaching and just hoping that what you want will change because you want it to in order to be more socially/philosophically acceptable, using terms like "supposed to" to justify trying to change what you want just makes it obvious.

>>5780323
If you really think my mind will change too, then all the less. I don't want to be a girl but I do want to remain as I am. It might be the normal arc people's lives take, but I don't how I would benefit from letting everything change for the worse.

>>5780323
>I'm pretty scared to talk to a doctor. Where should i look?
Remember, theres always a bigger fuck up
You will not be the weirdest shit the doc has ever seen
Its really fun to talk to doctors and hear all the bizarre crap they had seen

>>5780160
If you're feeling better now and like how you've progressed mentally and physically as you say, then we did you feel the need to stop? It's not that big of a deal. If you're pleased with the results then why should you stop?

>>5780323
>But when guys get older their mind matures and they accept all that stuff, maybe even like it.
Any evidence for that besides desperately wanting it to be true so you can be "normal" and accept it?

>>5780323
Well, I can say as someone who waited until age 29 before starting HRT that I never had the good fortune of suddenly liking how testosterone made me feel or the bodily effects that it has caused. I'm not saying that it's impossible that you will be different, but given that 1) you feel better on HRT than you did before it and 2) you don't seem to want the changes testosterone would cause as you are right now, you should probably think long and hard before jumping at the hope that maybe you'll start liking testosterone and the kind of body it gives you once you try it again.

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Man, post modern conceptions of masculinity and femininity have really hurt a lot of people. I usually come here to roast you guys emotionally, but I kind of feel bad about your plight tonight, even if you brought it upon yourself out of your own ignorance. We all have both a masculine and feminine aspect of our souls. You're letting your feminine aspect consume you rather than finding a healthy unity within yourself. Taking the kind of medication that you do has serious metaphysical effects on your psyche that you may not be consciously aware of if you don't have eyes to see. You've had your entire conception of what it means to be a man and a woman, masculine and feminine completely butchered by people who presented themselves to you as knowledgeable but actually knew nothing

>>5780363
Because, its fake, i shouldnt feel better
>>5780362
Heh thats true
>>5780361
Ehh ok anon... I cant force you but ok
>>5780359
>>5780353
Stopping and grooming would be hard. In all honesty i had really really low self esteem before hormones, even looking back i was actually uglier. It has to happen some day though
>>5780354
I'm not trans.....

>>5780403
I know... But its hard anon
>>5780382
Im in the UK
Also i would never have a sex change because im not trans
>>5780376
Maybe it just takes this experience for perspective i dont know
>>5780370
Everyone does, otherwise all men would desperately fight and nobody would age gracefully

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>>5780403
>has serious metaphysical effects on your psyche

>>5780403
Hi /x/.

>>5780442
There are immaterial aspects to our consciousness anon, and we can alter these aspects through the actions we take in our lives

>>5780457
I never liked this new age pseudo religious bullshit, its just a way to pretend to be smart and impress ignorant people
just like regular religion, but somehow more condescending

>>5780454
I wasnt UGLY before, but like... You know, bad masculine, just looked weird and rough. Hormones definitely made me cuter.

Im not transgendered either, i thought i was when i started but honestly i know im just a normal guy. I'll do some research anon thanks

>>5780436
I know it's hard. It's hard for even the best of us. All we can do is try to bare our burdens with dignity

>>5780436
Not all men feel the same about all things that affect them. Putting your hopes on a universal man-essence eventually fixing your preferences in physiological being strikes me as unsound.

If you're sure of this, though, you know what you have to do to make it happen. You'll forgive me for hoping you decide against making yourself unhappy in order to fulfill this obligation to gender performativity you've assumed, and instead cast it off.

>>5780499
What's the alternative? Stay on them indefinitely, be some weird 16 year old looking confused gay guy with tits? Sounds weird
>>5780507
Alright yeah... I'll lower my dose first and see how i feel. Thanks again <3

>>5780436
Men just generally age more "gracefully" than women, it's just biology.
However normal people, men or women, just don't want to age in general and don't care about the sexed side of aging especially not enough to ever get on hrt.

Not everyone secretly has issues with their gender and just hides/represses/grows out of it.

>>5780407
>Because, its fake, i shouldnt feel better
But you do feel better so it's not fake. Look if you don't want to be taking hormones any more then don't. Just don't be surprised when you feel worse afterwards. There's nothing you should or shouldn't be doing on some moral high ground. Life's shitty enough that you might as well pursue the few things that make you happy.

>>5780407
>Because, its fake, I shouldn't feel better
There you go again, trying to justify rejecting what you actually want for some desperate hope that what you want will suddenly magically change to something that's more socially acceptable.

>>5780537
I dont secretly have issues with my gender, you people just keep assuming that because i take hormones
>>5780538
Ughhhhh i dont even know anymore

>>5780557
That anon is essentially telling you yolo. Don't listen to that philosophy of just do whatever makes you feel good regardless of the consequences. You know what morality is

>>5780550
I mean, it literally is a false drug induced sense of well being. You can get that from a number of drugs that you don't need

>>5780574
Is it somehow immoral to be a guy taking female hormones? If so, why?

>>5780557
By gender issues I didn't just mean straight up transexuals but being uncomfortable with your body too.
You clearly had some issues with your body's secondary sexual expression since you took hormones.
Normal people don't take hormones because they're uncomfortable with masculinizing. From some of your posts I suspect that you imagine all or at least many people have the same feelings as you and simply hide it and grow out of it through the magic of testosterone but those feelings are actually extremely uncommon and generally fairly persistent.

>>5780574
I'm that anon here. All I'm going to say is everyone has a different interpretation of what morality is. Are you suggesting you consider it immoral to take hormones?

>>5780597
Not using them when you have a brain that doesn't feel right when off of them can fuck you over mentally and physically too.

>>5780593
Well why would i be any different...

>>5780607
Because not all humans are the same.

>>5780588
>>5780594
It's pretty immoral to abuse drugs to achieve a false sense of well being. You know this. It's just as immoral to abuse Xanax or Adderall

>>5780585
Those drugs only induce a sense of well-being if they're correcting an already present imbalance. That's why trannies feel better but Because, its fake, i shouldnt feel betterothers develop dysphoria in other direction and have regret.

Keep in mind that they have found neurological masculinzation/feminization in both gay and trans people though in gay people it's to a much lesser extent which goes to show the potential range. It's possible that some genderqueer/femboy/whatever people may have something going on neurologically that while not as severe as in transsexuals responds similarly to a better balance of hormones and state of sexual development.

>>5780597
I think it's been made clear that OP isn't just some random deciding to take hrt meds for fun. If they were miserable prior to, then why should they go back to that? Depression and possible suicide are not a better alternative to living "purely" i.e. hormone-free. What >>5780605 said is correct.

>>5780607
Genetic/epigenetic neurological variation, same thing as gay and trans people.

>>5780623
It's absurd that you would compare abusing xanax and adderall to someone alleviating body dysphoria through hormone treatment. You clearly have no understanding of this topic.

>>5780635
For the last time i dont have dysphoria
>>5780632
>>5780614
But why would i have such an unheard of variation. I feel like a normal boy, hormone effects aside

>>5780623
But you don't know that it's false, you're just projecting your personal feelings over their experiences and medical welfare.
If you're so concerned then just suggest seeing a specialist to help them figure things out instead of rambling on about your personal morality and seeming rejection of psychiatric medication.

>>5780615
No, I'm acting like the type of person that doesn't suggest people stop taking anti-depressants if they seem to be helping them without proper consideration. OP can and should look into other options and do what they think will be best for them, and I'm not saying that OP necessarily should continue on HRT, but I do think that they should consider things carefully before making a change when what they have seems to be working for them.

>>5780644
>instantly
>instantly
>INSTANTLY
You do realize that nearly no one just starts HRT immediately. Choosing to begin it is almost always a last resort and the result of a long process involving self-analysis and reflection. You can't compare it to taking anti-depressants or to taking ritalin to remedy ADD. They're not the same thing.
>Again using drugs for things like this is simply ignoring the problem instead of fixing it.
Actually fixing the problem is exactly what it is doing. Not doing anything is ignoring the problem, which leads to disaster.

>>5780647
It's not really unheard of, there are plenty of people under the trans umbrella who are uncomfortable with some aspect of their sexual/gender expression without being full transexuals and wanting to be other other gender completely, even among trannies that transition there's variation in how exactly they identify and what they want.

You say you feel like a normal boy but you were uncomfortable enough with your normal boy development that you took hrt so you you're clearly not that normal. Secondary sexual characteristics are part of sex/gender too and you're clearly dissatisfied with your natural ones.

>>5780654
I am actually pretty succesful socially, i found myself being very popular around age 16, im one of the normies who go to big parties and binge on alcohol and drugs with other normies

>>5780658
Self reflection doesn't always lead to us forming a clear conception of our inner self. It unfortunately takes a whole lifetime for us to know ourselves truly

>>5780647
Is it an unheard of variation? I hear a lot of it for that to be true, and unless you've closed your eyes and covered your ears, so do you.

What you're thinking of is "medically undocumented variation", which has some very depressing cultural background that I'll share if you really want, but it's long and dry. Don't let that get to you.

>>5780647
>don't have dysphoria
>felt bad enough to convince myself i'm trans and to start hrt
>enjoying all the effects of hrt--mental and physical
>don't want to stop even though not trans
>don't have dysphoria
Okay keep telling yourself that

>>5780669
>It unfortunately takes a whole lifetime for us to know ourselves truly
>you need to wait till your life is over and you're on your death bed before you can do want makes you happy :^)

>>5780663
Im not under the trans umbrella, im just a boy who incidentally is taking hormones

I wasnt comfortable with a lot of stuff but now i am so it was meaningless. Lets not dwell on the past
>>5780675
>twisting my words to try to make me admit im trans

Why

>>5780676
We aren't here to be happy and comfortable. Nobody in the entire history of the human experience has been owed such a life in this place

>>5780684
BODY dysphoria does not make you trans. I never said gender dysphoria. You clearly have some sort of issue with your appearance if you've gone through all this effort to make such changes. And you don't want to stop either! If you can't realize this then I don't know what to tell you.

>>5780684
Were you uncomfortable with your body?
Are you comfortable now because you're actually comfortable with and happy with aging like a normal man and masculinizing or because of the effects of the hrt on your body?

Even without the hormones being uncomfortable with some aspect of your sex can count as under the trans umbrella.

Your past is pretty relevant.

people here are mixing up morality with ethics

>>5780689
Yeah you should just be miserable and not do anything that you want to do and work a job you don't like and marry someone you don't love and whatever else you think is more acceptable to random other people and is how things "should" be cus that's how your pappy did it!

>>5780690
>I will again say to both of you that Gender should not be brought up when talking about things
Because you demand it, well sorry to make you booty-bothered but I'll say whatever I want just like you :^)

If you actually read my post you'd see I wasn't even talking about gender particular to his case but pointing out that there are others who are uncomfortable and seek to change some of their secondary sexual characteristics without identifying as the opposite gender.

>Also he could just have a mental illness that makes him act this way
Yeah which is why I said maybe you should suggest seeing a specialist if you really care instead of just rambling that they should just get over it and ignore all other advice.

> if you do not have a female brain (making you intersex)
Do you know that they don't?

>>5780720
lol dude you just seem to have some vendetta against trannies and jump at any mention of them.
Some people place some fem-boys under the umbrella too because they're unhappy with their secondary sexual characteristics, it's all lot wider a group than you seem to think.

For all you know they DO have real mental physical issues and should seek professional help but you just keep rejecting any advice on their behalf so you can act out some fantasy of fighting off the evil trannies trying to corrupt and convert some innocent boy who has been led astray by the gender mafia.

>>5780731
Then why do you keep spewing your feels all over the thread and trying to edge out other opinions like some oversensitive tumblr piece of shit?

>>5780780
Are you even reading my posts or just building up some strawman in your head? lol
I've only talked about gender to say that you don't need to identify as the opposite one to be unhappy with some of your physical sexual expression.

>Or maybe they need help to accept themselves
And a great way to do that especially with their issues with their body would be to talk to a specialist instead of "just get over it", that is not the treatment for any real medical or mental issue.
>Maybe you should not supply redundant advice mixed with your views
LOL irony.

>I know that it is quite rare
So is boys being uncomfortable with their secondary sexual characteristics enough to take hrt and while you're certainly VERY confident in what you think you are obviously not an expert in any medical matter related to the topic.

>>5780790
Not everything, things like "Simply put medication is always one of the last options and should be." are opinions, not facts. (Possibly opinions well-supported by the facts, but opinions none the less.) Ah, but I'm nit-picking, sorry.

>>5780785
No you retard, it just includes all gender-variance and that includes people who identify as their birth sex but are uncomfortable with some aspects of their sexual expression.
Stop chasing after you tumblr boogeyman long enough to pay attention to the conversation.

>>5780803
Ah but you haven't heard his conspiracy theory on the evils of big pharma feminizing confused boys to serve the sjw plot!

>>5780790
>only fact
AusAnon, almost everything you've typed has been opinion, not fact. Prescription, not description. Assumption, not knowledge.

That's a part of human experience; our access to facts, and objective truth, is terribly limited. Our ability to work with and convey them almost invariably dilutes them. You are not a lonely beacon of rationality.

OP here guys

I don't have a female brain, and literally nobody here is saying medication w/o treating the cause is right. I just dont care anymore desu i'll stay doing my thing and see what happens

>>5780816
Just see a fucking professional.

>>5780809
If only big pharma was actually interested in feminizing confused boys; sadly they seem to be more interested in curing cancer and shit, what a waste.

>>5780816
Good luck no matter what your thing may be.

>>5780816
So what do you think is the cause?

>>5780818
I'm more scared of talking about it than i am interested in the answers. It's not worth it.
>>5780822
thanks

>>5780823
I don't know. I just had a weird fixation from when i was a kid, and i blew it out of proportion, and i fucked myself over. It doesn't matter though, just dealing the hands I got, never gonna know all the answers.

I'm addicted to progesterone coz it makes me high after

Feels so good

remember that story about the 15 year old who was taking hormonoes for a year and got more popular for looking more feminine and being treated nicer but didn't feel trans? I wonder what hes up

>I'm not a tranny, I just like taking these titty pills that would make cis guys suicidally dysphoric :^)
You know guys, it's rather unethical to enable denial this obvious.

>>5781312
>I'm not a tranny, I just like taking these titty pills that would make cis guys suicidally dysphoric :^)

No they wouldn't. Myself and half of femgen are proof of this

>>5781312
There's a wide gulf between manly man and trans woman. No sense making the femboys uncomfortable with either their gender or their sex attributes when they could be happy with both.

>>5780160
Recreational narcotics are used when the user has a bad life, and to make them feel better, and are addictive, and cause potentially harmful changes in the body
HRT is used when the user has a bad life, and to make them feel better, and are addictive, and cause potentially harmful changes in the body
Therefore, HRT is a recreational narcotic

>>5780825
So you're just gonna stick your head in the sand and hope everything works out?
Nice plan that totally hasn't been tried and failed by countless people before you!

>>5781405
>implying you're normal cis men
Normal cis men aren't uncomfortable with their masculine sexual characteristics and don't take hrt to change that.
It's also widely known that femgen is mtfg-lite and posters regularly switch between the two and whether they identify as trans or male.

>>5781549
LoL why don't you try trotting out that autistic dictionary-definition logic to an actual professional.
Narcotics are a specific family of drugs, you idiot, and two types of drugs seeming similar to a layman does not make them so.

The meds of hrt are also already very common with cis people, almost every women takes hrt eventually for menopause.

>>5780160

what sort of pills do trans girls take? I always hear about how expensive they are. But, what is this stuff? Is it over the counter or what?

>>5781973
They're actually pretty common medications that are already used with cis people though the specific regimen can vary by country and even by doctor and specific needs.

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>>5780407
>ok anon… I cant force you but ok
What would the point in letting go be? You lose everything you gained by having cheated in the first place. I don’t want to turn into an ugly fucker like croaker.

I’m not sure if I’ve done the wrong thing by using hormones when not trans, And I do wonder about the long term, but I'm invested in my body staying the way it is so giving up what lets me stay cute would only make me feel worse.

>>5781878
>Normal cis men aren't uncomfortable with their masculine sexual characteristics and don't take hrt to change that.

I dont have to prove that i'm not trans to anyone, nobody on 4chan knows my gender identity better than i do...
>So you're just gonna stick your head in the sand and hope everything works out?
>Nice plan that totally hasn't been tried and failed by countless people before you!
YEP. I'm just going to accept what's happening, probably keep the pills going for a while while i mull it over, and see what happens.

>>5782032
>the specific regimen can vary by country and even by doctor

a psychiatrist or a family doctor?

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I really think some of you are super in denial, I mean what CIS dude feels better on ESTROGEN? I'm not saying all of you are trans but the ones like the OP who doesn't even want to talk to someone and seems to be afraid of answers: future tranny or headcase or closetcase. I mean either you're going to age as man or a woman and try not to let sexist/misogynist ideas guide you in that decision.

Being trans isn't that bad guys.

>>5782067
Psychiatrists can't prescribe hrt, at most they can refer you to an endocrinologist.

>>5782054
I'm not saying you're a transsexual and need to be a girl but you're definitely not just a normal boy or you wouldn't have gotten to this point.
There are people who identify as boys but don't like some of their masculine characteristics and seek to change them and that IS under the trans* umbrella of gender variance whether you like it or not.

>>5780623
>what is bodily autonomy
b8 harder

>>5782095
Being too dogmatic about what makes someone cis or trans might not be beneficial; if OP feels more comfortable thinking of himself as a boy, then I think it's counter-productive to force another label on him. He shouldn't be made to feel like he has to choose between identifying as a trans girl and going off hormones if neither of those appeal to him.

It's also worth mentioning that cis dudes do take estrogen or anti-androgens, sometimes as treatment for certain diseases (e.g. prostate cancer), but also sometimes because having abnormally high androgen levels or abnormally low estrogen levels can cause serious problems themselves, including mental an emotional effects. It's possible that people like OP may have a genetic or epigenetic variation in how their sex hormone receptors work that shifts how much of different sex hormones they need in their system to feel and function right; it's not unimaginable that such a difference in the functioning of a subset of sex hormone receptors might in some cases be distinct from whatever it is that makes a person feel "I'm a boy / I'm a girl" (I don't think the specific brain circuitry that does that is known at this point, in any case).

>>5782133
That's not true, actually; not only can psychiatrists prescribe HRT (my dad is a psychiatrist and he has prescribed hormones for trans patients), but even general practice doctors can prescribe HRT (I get my prescriptions through my general practice doctor, I never got sent to an endocrinologist, although he did talk with my therapist before prescribing them). The specifics of who can prescribe what may vary by state or country, but I think people get referred to endocrinologists more because they are the experts in how hormones and are therefore the most qualified to give medical advice on taking them and what to watch for in regards to potential side effects.

>>5782133
>>5782380
Joan speaks the truth.

What you're probably thinking of is therapists. Who do mostly just refer you to an endocrinologist.

>>5780403
>knowledgeable but actually knew nothing
>post modern
>post modern

>>5782095
>Being trans isn't that bad guys.
You say while posting that image....

So hormones don't just make your body more feminine, they make you feel good about your body becoming more feminine?

That's kinda spooky...

>>5789771
I wonder if HRT really would make men feel good about that. I mean, David Reimer hated it, but sample size 1, anyone?

The testing involved is so wildly unethical, though. A shame.

>>5789771
>So hormones don't just make your body more feminine, they make you feel good about your body becoming more feminine?
Which is why one's reaction to HRRT is such a strong, >98%, indication of your gender when you take them.

If you feel better looking feminine, it's your body, your property, don't let anyone tell you how it should be. You don't have any responsibility to biology or your body, it's just an unthinking machine whose only purpose is to serve you and make your life better. If it's not doing its job right, feel free to adjust it. Hormones are one of the safest drugs out there, everyone already has the same molecules in their body - you couldn't overdose on them if you tried to. There's no law that says you have to fit into "boy" or "girl" labels, if you want to look like a girl but feel you're still a boy in some key way, it's your choice. It's just that when you're a girl in all but the name, describing yourself as a girl becomes a more accurate representation of who you are, that you can communicate to people in one word rather than explaining that you look like a girl, act like a girl, etc. but you are a boy.

>>5782054
>YEP. I'm just going to accept what's happening, probably keep the pills going for a while while i mull it over, and see what happens.
That's a good idea. Female hormones are generally way more reversible than male ones, and will give you time to decide and ensure you don't end up in a body you hate but can't change. I took hormones and lived as a femboy for most of my teenage years, and ended up deciding to go full time as a girl when I was 19 - if I had thought "let's wait until I'm sure to start hormones", I would be an unpassable ugly hun instead of the rather attractive girl I am today. Estrogen is much closer to a delaying 'null action' than testosterone is.

>>5780160
In my experience, HRT makes dysphoria go away generally. Like you feel less dysphoric on them no matter what.

It could be more than possible that your dysphoria would simply come back if you stopped.

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>>5794027
We could both go back to pretending we're boys, that'll make things simpler.

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>>5794027
>if I had thought "let's wait until I'm sure to start hormones", I would be an unpassable ugly hun instead of the rather attractive girl I am today.

As an unpassable ugly hun that waited, you made the right decision.

If I had thought that it was possible to be a good person but still not go along with what I was 'meant to be', to consider whether what I would become 'naturally' was what I actually wanted and have the option to delay my puberty, and to present as a feminine boy, and to try hormones without coming out to everyone as trans, because I wasn't completely sure and I didn't want to hurt the good legitimate people that are actually trans by pretending to be one...

I really hope that today kids in the situation I was in are better informed, and more brave, than I was.

>>5781973

Spironolactone was originally used to treat high blood pressure but some guys found out it stopped their balding when they took it. Later on people found out it also stopped androgens from binding in the body and transwomen used it because it was a nice easy way to kill off testosterone.

Then you have estrogen pills/injections, usually used for women in menopause to replace estrogen that slowed due to age.

And then women with PCOS started using both as well to prevent excess bodyhair.

>>5780160
Proof that the average femboy is damaged goods.

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>>5782095
>41% chance of attempted suicide
>1 in 8 chance of being murdered
Whelp, guess I shouldn't plan on seeing 30.

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>>5795240
>tfw turning 30 in a month

Ok wow, OP here, forgot about this thread.

>>5794027
This made me feel good to read... There really isnt anything wrong with me if i want to take hormones and look like a girl but still be me. Th-thanks
>>5794052
Bad feel senpai, thats what im scared of
>>5794861
Yeah but people think im cute and its about as good as i get sooo look at the bright side

>>5795260
Jealous desu. 32 in the same time-frame. Transitioning certainly informs my choice in housing.

>>5795240
>>5795260
If you live in a decent area, practice some precautions, then you'll likely live to a ripe old age. Here in the US it's mostly the black tgirls in the ghetto that end up dead.

>>5782095
Funfact: I feel best when I have E, T and P.

>>5780403
fuck off tumblr, the fuck you tryna pull here?

>>5797952
Have you worked out your generally optimal levels of each?

>>5795900
I was on mones for almost a year, and when I stopped my "dysphoria" didn't come back. And I felt almost exactly like you did when I started.

Estrogen makes me feel good, but so does testosterone. What matters isn't a label it's feeling comfortable with yourself and your body. You know yourself better than any anon projecting their personal shit onto you.

>>5780323
...you all do realise that estrogen exists normally in men, just in smaller amounts?

>>5792514
i see tons of anecdotes of people on here saying they don't really feel different on them. saying stuff like that makes people think taking hormones is going to make a switch flip in their head and make them KNOW if it's right for them or not, which really isn't true

>>5803537
i'm pretty sure what people mean when they say "on t" or "on e," they mean with one as the dominant chemical, at the levels normally seen in humans of the related sex

>>5780160
I'm sorry your are still trans
I don't really think you can get addicted to hormones
So the reason why you feel good is because your mental state can't live without them
Its not replacing hormones in your brain unlike crack and other drugs
So, you are not addictive to them therefore you are still trans

Stop taking them for a day or a week
I'm betting your dysphoria will come back

>>5804168
>Its not replacing hormones in your brain unlike crack and other drugs
except sex hormones do affect brain and have very strong psychological effect too
though they are not linked to pleasure so its hard to call it a physical addiction

>>5804319
Makes since, but you get my point
I'm betting if she got off mones
She would get dysphoria

>tfw want to get on estrogen just to feel more girly
>tfw this thought turns you on

AGP is stupid

>>5804415
>tfw get on mones
>lowered sex drive
>somehow still more excited

AGP is really stupid

>>5804334
>she
>she

Can you stop, i've said like 10 times that im just a boy
>>5803151
Im really conflicted though. Around 6 months in i stopped and i started to hate my appearance again despite probably very little change, my anxiety got worse again. Feels like im stuck in limbo man

>>5804415
>>5805763
>don't even feel that AGP anymore
>know if I stop the hormones it'll just come back

Heh that reminds me of what my parents said when they found out I was self medding HRT. "You're like an addict".

Sure mom I'm a water and food addict too. Pretty funny how you take the same drugs too.

>>5803151
What made you stop?

>>5806372
>TFW addiction is incurable
>TFW don't want to be a girl but depend on them to preserve your body