Please help me clear this up.

It's because most trans people have drank too much of the Tumblr Kool-Aid.

I'm trans. I'm casually dating a cis guy. There are trans people who aren't bat-shit insane about dating, I assure you.

(I'm picky anyway, but that's a different story.)

>>5742859
Yeah I imagine that's essentially it.

Like I'm also picky, I wouldn't ever date a trans guy or girl JUST because they are trans. I would need to be attracted to the person.
whatever, maybe I'm just getting disenfranchised.

>>5742845
Know that feel. Was talking to cute trans guy (taking hormones but identifies and a male) in my Literature class. Exchanged numbers at a party and we texted for a while and made plans to see a movie. The day before we went he said he changed his mind and didn't want any sort of relationship and now doesn't really talk to me. Right in the feels :c

Lol @ non gender confirming trying to confirm to dating practices. Chasers don't bother me. I look more andro than femme right now but I still get looks. Someone stopped dead in panera yesterday and couldn't stop looking at me while filling their soda and it overflowed. Not sure if they were attracted or disgusted but that's none of my business anyways.

I'm also frustrated that there isn't more places to talk openly about this.
I feel like as a cis male, any lgbt community automatically just shuts me right the fuck down.
Like if i posted this same blurb on r/lgbt or something I would probably get downvoted into oblivion.

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>>5742893
conforming?

>>5742893
yeah like. the way I look at is like whoever the fuck you want to like.
Also it's incredibly hypocritical for the trans community to look down on a certain group being attracted to them, considering the lgbt community is meant to preach open and free expression. Like. If i'm attracted to you, and you're attracted to me then cool.

>>5742874

And the worst part is that I've seen so much active encouragement of the "oh, you should only date other trans people or cis women" attitude for other trans people...and from some trans people, even from gender therapists.

Fuck that shit. I'm into men. I'm not gonna discriminate against a trans dude if it happens, but statistically...random guys I think are hot are most likely cis.

This nasty attitude towards cis men just for being cis men irks me greatly.

>>5742939
YES.

As a cis male. it irks me too.
Like there's no reason to hate me.
I'm a nice person, who is incredibly accepting and open to whatever the fuck you want to be. so please be the same way toward me?

>>5742859
You sound like you drank the /r9k/ kool-aid :^)

I guess a lot of the hate comes from people who are chasers and go around and go I WANNA HAVE SEX WITH A HOT TRANS GIRL. I guess it is more presentation than anything, like if you wanted to go out with an Asian woman you probably wouldn't get far if you go "DAYUM GIRL I GOT DE YELLOW FEVER!!!"

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>>5742987

I don't even know what /r9k/ is for, desu. I've never bothered to go look at what it's about.

>>5742845
Cause they want real love not just some creepy dude that will dump them once SRS happens.

>>5742845
I don't know what you mean. If the person likes me and is nice and respectful then sure I would date them.

I just don't want to be objectified.

Don't make it about you if it isn't about you.

>>5743018
Lol what do you mean?

how am i making it about me?
I'm merely stating that If I'm attracted to a certain type of person and they are attracted to me back, then that shouldn't be a problem. But in the trans community IT IS.
Cis men are always looked down upon in lgbt circles.

>>5743009
did anyone say anything about that?

In fact in my post i clearly stated it has nothing to do with genitalia.

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>>5742845
> and I've openly been told before it's because I'm a cis male

>>5743117
quality contribution to the conversation,

>>5743143
i forgot this isn't r9k

>>5742845
mostly this is ragey mtfs, let's be real, lol. ftms don't freak out as often about the chaser thing. Let alone devoting whole tumblr-tier blogs to it - see Zinnia Jones. They do it, but not as much or as hardcore angry/tumblr about it.

For mtfs, most of it is based around only wanting to be seen as a ciswoman, even if they literally have a dick, and being scared that anyone other than a 100% lez or str8 man would like them. Aversion to anything gay or even tangentially related to maleness, a lot of the time.
For both ftm/mtf, just general fear and dislike of being someone's fetish like in tranny porn and that person not wanting them for any other reason, to be seen with trans in public, etc.

They don't want people to be attracted to them for what they are - an mtf girl or ftm guy. They want someone who is magically blind to them not being a cisgirl/cisguy. This is to make them feel validated as their gender, something a lot don't get in their lives.
This is mostly HIGHLY insecure EARLY-on-in-transition people. As time goes on, and a person goes further into their transition, they get more comfortable with themselves and more chill. More passing and daily life as their gender and exp living as a transperson leads to less voracious need for constant validation.

Also tumblr encourages this line of thought in new+questioning trans people a lot, so being hooked up to that shit is where a lot of these people get it.

That said, I'm ftm and don't care anymore if people see that and like it and me.
I'm not a cisguy, I'm a transguy, it wouldn't make sense for me to expect people to like me the same way they like the former. If people are into me as an ftm, then cool. It's literally what/who I am.

If anything it's comforting knowing someone A) likes me for me, and B) knows exactly what they're signing up for and doesn't want some other type of person or me to pretend to be that.

TL;DR: seeking validation for their gender, uncomfortable and overcompensating

>>5743343
Andddd I read the thread so far and it's fuckin' quality.

>>5742859
>>5742874
>>5742918 (especially the last line)
>>5742939
are all spot-on.

>>5742897
Keep talking about it, then, dude. There's trans people who are sensible and not into the tumblr bullshit. If we just say what we mean even in the face of these nitpicky bastards, then others who agree will come out of the woodwork (see: this thread), others may come around to seeing the validity of some of what we're talking about, and slowly the tide will turn, imo

2bh this idea-meme hit its peak popularity in like 2013 so its probably all downhill eventually lmfao

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>>5742845
CAN SOME TRANNY PLEASE FUCK THIS GUY ALREADY SO HE CAN GET OVER THIS FETISH AND STOP MAKING THREADS LIKE THIS!

Doesn't other people's genitalia trigger the dysphoria because they remind you what genitalia you have and don't want or want but can not (as of yet) have?

>>5743696
I suppose that's not impossible - we're a diverse bunch - but it's not my experience. It's the penis attached to me that makes me uncomfortable (yes, that is a pretty accurate word for my feelings about it), and other peoples' genitals are no less fun to play with for their similarity/dissimilarity to the ones I have or wish to have.

>>5743613
kek

>>5742845
You're chasing the wrong girls babe. Most girls I know personally don't really give a shit as long as you respect their boundaries and aren't ashamed of them.

>>5742845
I'm MtF (almost 2 years on hormones, transitioned for 3 or so) and I'd date a guy or a girl, but the pickiness comes from a place of safety. I'm stealth in the college that I go to, and disclosing is a huge problem. Men can be violent, which I'm scared about even though I can defend myself. It's just a matter of avoiding potential problems.

>>5742845
As a pre-everything MtF who is just starting to transition, I have to just say this.

I like girls. I like trans girls. I love guys. I don't know where all the hate is coming from, if they are good and they treat you right and make you feel like the girl you are then there's nothing wrong with it.

I'm even okay with him touching/whatever my dick. I'm terrified that SRS is going to give me a terrible, fucked up mess instead of a vagina, so I'm comfortable keeping what I have, so long as the rest of me can change to my liking.

But guys, not all trans girls are as cool with that, so just make sure you keep that in mind. I think that may be what adds to the issues surrounding this hatred.

But I'd love to snuggle up to a cute guy at the end of the day. ^-^

>>5743003

It's for nihilism, expressed only in blandly ordinary ways.

>>5744151
Yeah we (men and women who are attracted to trans women) should ignore the internet trans community and focus on real people.

I don't have a problem with chasers. Just don't come off like a creep, have some game and be interesting.

Creep = asking about my genitals in the first few questions. Calling me princess or darling. Also if you're like a 5 or below you better be funny as fuck.

>>5745781
fatty detected

>>5743739
You sound so male and autistic when you type. Like wow.

/fit/ and /pol/ here
>don't want kids
>Normal women are all degenerates
>TFW no at trans gf to help with her issues and watch anime together

Why live senpai

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I'm not super anti chaser, but I think there are ways to empathize with us.

Many of us just don't like having our dicks messed with, that is just how it is. Imagine if you were a guy that just wanted a normal relationship with a woman, but for some reason, literally every woman who is willing to date you absolutely INSISTS on having at least 2 fingers knuckle deep in your asshole the entire time you have sex. Maybe some guys would be game, but most are not.

Chasers pressing us to avoid SRS is similarly obnoxious. Imagine if you had like a fucking impossibly gross case of gyno, not just a guy with pretty and perfect tits, you'd look foolish. Imagine if everyone who didn't want to date you made fun of you for it, yet anyone who dated you wanted to give your hairy man tits way too much attention and assured you that you'd be nothing to anyone if you ever got them surgically corrected.

You want what you want, and that's chill, just stating that what you're looking for is rare, and its rude to force it. Some guys ask too much of a group of people who as a category already have a lot of misery in our lives about feeling forced to be something that is not us.

>>5746312
>wanting an uncanny valley disgusting neo vagina

Why.

>>5746317
Because its still better than nullification and I need it gone.

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>>5742845
To transend the conflicts of the trans community we have to redifine the 2 dimensional attraction meter with only males and felmales. This is what I made from the top of my mind. Feel free to contribute improvements. Put colored circles between or on the apropriate line.

>>5745734
Speaking from personal experience too. Fuck Tumblr. It's a massive reason why people still hate Trans people.

If a guy is attracted to me because I'm Trans, to me it's no different from liking me because I'm tall, or thin or dark haired. It's just another thing about me. As long as I'm treated like a woman, and not in a princess treat me kind of way, I'm good.

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>>5746391
This is my attractions. (I am male)

>>5742845
most chasers just want shemales and not transgender girls.

coz men are scum generally

>>5743061

You might not, but once a significant enough number of people are, it becomes safer to assume they're all like that.

It isn't you, it's the other guys.

That said, you're really going into that "nice guy" Elliot Rodgers territory here.

>>5742845
speaking as a trans woman most of us are batshit

>>5746391
>>5746409
how does this chart even work?

Trans is the opposite of androgynous?

>>5751244

Not that poster, but it's meant to describe a three-dimensional metric, with the x-axis as male/female, the y-axis as masculine/feminine, and the z-axis as trans (positive z)/cis(zero-z)/androgynous(negative z). That said, the description of the z-axis seems more than a little bit off.

>>5751297
so trans is the presence of more gender marking features? Beards, breasts, etc? Being the opposite of androgynous? That seems weird, especially since a lot of trans people who look in between genders tend twords androgyny, not... like having a giant bushy beard and tits, at least the ones people are attracted to

>>5742845
OP's pic is fucking hilarious. Please tell me that's an "ftm" who doesn't feel the need to take T because her bowtie makes her feel manly.