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Planning for the new year edition

You're going to accomplish your goals right?

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Previous thread >>5452650
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I plan to completely move on from the people in my life that consistently try to hurt me for no reason.
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goodnight /mtfg/
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I've been ill all christmas and today I had to wake up at 5am to take my bf to work : (
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I plan to actually start hormones. Been a year since i decided i woukd but finding an endo in my area that accepts my insurance is tough.
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I plan on hanging myself for new year's. It's a gift I'm long overdue in giving myself
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>>5454682
if I manage to not kill myself on the 4th then the plan for 2016 is to lose weight, get a job and save money like it has been every other year I never managed to do it.

>>5454688
nn kiwi
did you text him?
did he text you back?
are you going to see him again?
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Hoping to make my name change legal before feb and to get cuter this year
>>5454685
Thats a good plan
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>>5454693
Good luck!
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>>5454696
>>5454698
Killing yourself is bad mmkay. No but seriously its not worth it. Theres literally a ton of shit you can do thats amillion times better than killing youserlf. Hell at that point you give exactly 0 shits. Do something youve always wanted to do.
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>>5454702

>and to get cuter this year

age? cuz that's not how it works
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>>5454682
My new years resolution is to slut it up, hopefully kit will come along for the ride.

>>5454696
Doing the same actually, everyone is away ;_;
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I've lost the weight. 2016 is when I begin sculpting my dream body. Getting my life in order everywhere else would be nice too.
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I'm done. What's the easiest way?
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>>5454707
Nobody ever keeps their new years resolution anyway :v
>>5454708
This is also a very good one I wanna do this too
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>>5454703
Thanks making calls tomorrow if this doesnt work out ill just start self medding and maybe see if i can periodically chekc my levels every so often.
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>>5454682
I plan to flip on NYE. Gonna have a great time.
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>>5454708
>ywn slut it up with Shell
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>>5454704

Killing yourself is the best thing to do when you've tried a couple of years of actively transition and concluded with certainty that you're not going to make it. There is nothing else after that
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>>5454720
Why cant you make it?
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>>5454682
My goals for this year are to lose weight, start HRT and maybe be a qt.
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>>5454711
shotgun in mouth, deer slug
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I've been texting a girl for about 20 minutes do you think she wants to be my gf
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>>5454722
You got this i believe!
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>>5454723

I have a 16GA... or I have access to it anyway.
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>>5454724
Depends are the texts. "Wow anon youre super cool" or are they "anon i swear stop twxting me or im blocking your number."
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>>5454725
Fingers crossed desu
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>>5454718
*blushes*
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>>5454710
Best of luck fatty.
Just don't go overboard and turn into an anorexic.
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>>5454723

I was thinking of leaving less of a mess if possible... even if its just laying down on a railroad track. I've been thinking about that a lot... plus the trains around here are fucking assholes and they're paid so whatever.
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>>5454736

if you're going to end it at least be considerate about it
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>>5454739

Shotgun for my family to find or railroad for some random asshole to have a bad day?
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>>5454740
Theres also the no mess option where you evaluate why you want to end it and come to the conclusion its not worth.
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>>5454732
Teach me the ways of the slut
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>tfw majoring in philosophy

Am I cool yet
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>>5454740

plastic bag and pills maybe, at the least bleed out in a tub or something so they dont have to hoover your brains out the carpet
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>>5454745

>at the least bleed out in a tub or something so they dont have to hoover your brains out the carpet

That's the whole point in the track. It's outside. It's quick. Virtually no cleanup, I live in the middle of nowhere.
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>>5454749

yeah but the train driver gets to kill someone
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>>5454751

Sorry? Life isn't fair?
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>>5454751

They knew that was a possibility when they took the job tbhon
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>>5454749
Yeah no, some poor schmuck is going to have to go out there and scrape the chunks of your meat off the tracks.
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just saying there's no need to be an asshole on the way out
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>>5454756

At the end of the day I think I'm okay with that. Why do you care so much about that poor schmuck? You don't give a fuck about me.

>>5454741

Last 29 years of my life, but now it's worth it.
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>>5454760
I hope you dont mind if i pry but whats so bad about those last 29 years and how old are you?
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>>5454762

I'll be 30 next month. NEET, virgin, trans
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Im sick of being power hungry and manipulative.

I just want to settle down with some cutey and take care of each other.
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>>5454763
You havent even lived half your expected life. NEET? Why are you too depressed to find a job? Recently laid off? Cant hrlp with the viginity thing. Thing is if you decide that maybe getting your life on track theres plenty of guys in that age range whod love a transgirl even if its just sex. Ultimately its up to you and how much effort you put into it. I can tell you this finding out a way to commit suicide while trying to get all these specific rules and guidelines is a lot harder than going out and getting your life on track.
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>>5454762

I failed badly, I was a coward and now I have to pay the price. All I wanted was to be happy.
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>>5454772

I haven't had a job in 5 years. I barely leave the house, my parents are supporting me obviously. I'm nothing but a burden on them as my negativity grows.
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>>5454773
No one can fault you for wanting to be happy. Why do you blame yourself for it?
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>>5454739
a rope quietly on new years, it's as considerate as I can get
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>>5454776
Your parents clearly care about you then. Talk to them. See if any of them have any tips or connections. Make a concious effort and I can whole heartedly say youll come out ahead.
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>>5454780

Failure after failure after missed opportunity after missed opportunity I've let myself fail and I hate myself for it. I'm too cowardly to be myself.
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>>5454772
>finding out a way to commit suicide while trying to get all these specific rules and guidelines is a lot harder than going out and getting your life on track

Lmao, well memed
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>>5454783
>connections. Make a concious effort and I can whole heartedly say youll come out ahead.

Youre talking out your arse. For some of us it just doesnt get better no matter what we do. You lack perspective to understand that
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>>5454783

Thanks. The other poster is not me.
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>>5454790
Yeah no people that like to play the victim rarely ever get out ahead. Guess you got me there.
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>>5454794

I think you're cool
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I haven't decided on any new years resolutions just yet but I hope all of you girls get what you're wishing for!
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please note no advice outside of support given here should be substituted for professional guidance please consider seeing counselors if you feel you're at the end of your rope, I really hope those of you find a better alternative. I believe in you all
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>>5454794
I like you.
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>>5454801
Though i completely agree with this and anyone capable of reaching a professional should do so, sometimes its making that first step is the hardest. You shouldnt rely on internet strangers but sometimes its all people have.
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>>5454794

"Just keep trying and things will get better" is empty bullshit when trans people's success can be significantly hampered by factors outside their control that make their transition and therefore overall life less successful

But keep spouting peppy effort shit ms not even on hormones yet
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>>5454807
Heres the thing. Even if im completly wrong about everyrhing ive said i cna be certian that this is fact. If you give up your chances drop to zero. Trying at the very least keeps those odds above a zero.
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>>5454799
>>5454802
Thank you both. Im pretty new to this sub so its nice to feel welcome.
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>measure under bust
>squeeze rope tight
>measures 33 inches
That's not too bad right? I mean, will this be what I look like with weight loss?
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My butte hurts
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>>5454817
>Im pretty new to this sub
I hate you already
filtered
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>>5454824
From rough sex?
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>>5454822
>33"

Lmao werent you just crying about giant man chest? God you cunts are always the same
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>>5454822
The chest expands a bit when theres fat hut im not sure if it has to be major levels of fat. But 33 is not bad at all thats relitivlely on the lower range for females. Congrats
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>>5454825
Hello darkness my old friend...
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>>5454824
the mtfg posters you met up with did that to you, didn't they?
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>>5454827
Me? Sex? O-of course not

>>5454833
No its self inflicted ;~;
>tfw no mtf 5some
y liv
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>>5454829
Yeah
I mean my chest usually comes up as 36 inches
So if I drop the weight, maybe I'll get 33 inches idk here's hoping
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>>5454825
Don't be a jerk, new people can't help being new.
>>5454817
Just a heads up, people on 4chan will give you grief if you call boards subs (because of animosity towards reddit and its userbase), try not to do that.
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sup?
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>>5454824
Show us your butte.
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>>5454836
Shieeet didnt even realize i did that. My bad
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>>5454828
33" is pretty bad
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>>5454834
>its self inflicted ;~;
lewd
is the dragon butt plug worn down to a nub then?
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>>5454834
ummm what happen to your butte ._.;
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>>5454834
>tfw no one to spank you so you do it yourself
I've been naughty pls someone punish me ;~;
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>>5454839
hello sophie i hope you had a really great christmas !!
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>>5454845
am I the only one who when spanking herself makes sure to hit the perenium slightly?
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>>5454842
Well shit ._.

>>5454846
Hi Kit
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>>5454842
>>5454828

its not a disaster, but its wayy bigger than female average


>>5454846
hi kit!
unfortunately not. I spent yesterday crying in bed all day.
how was yours?
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>finished ori and the blind forest
10/10 game. last dungeon excape was a pain in the ass though. must have died 200 times before actually finishing it.
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Alright 4:30 time to actually get some sleep. Seeya sluts
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>>5454856
What would be a good and terrible range for 6 foot?
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>>5454840
n-no its all red

>>5454843
Well the ones I got were pretty small already

>>5454844
I put nair on it, and now the cheeks are really red and itchy from hair growing back. The hair was all vellus though, so I dunno why it hurts so much ;~;

>>5454845
london?
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itt: the amount of individual cocks (not counting your own) that you've touched

3
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>>5454865
0

gold star lesbian
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>>5454763
Wow. That's exactly me except my birthday is two months later. I'm sorry, I don't know what to say, maybe there isn't anything I can say or do that would help you, but I really wish nobody had to be in this sort of situation.
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>>5454842

It's not like, tiny girl, but it's in the female range even if at the higher end. This is like when people talk about their 16" shoulders as if they were giant abominations when that's still top end of the female range

Go away Angie
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>tfw mysterious cut on my left shoulder
> have no idea whatsoever how it got there
2spooky
Also on the new year's resolution stuff I have to lose a bunch of weight to not feel disgusted every waking hour with my body, plus I'll try to start HRT sometime before the summer. 2016 will either be really great or a complete disaster. Here's hoping I won't get disowned by my dad if I finally come out in 2016.
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>>5454856
oh no you poor girl ;~~;
i really hope everything picks up for you soon !
new year soon so mb a fresh start...? ;__;
idk please be safe <3

>>5454854
hi kuppy ! are you good???

>>5454864
oh no ;~;

red butte ,__,
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>>5454862
good question. I guess 80+ isnt bad if youre tall. its not about absolute size anyway, its about shoulder-waist-hip relations.

I have like 30 inches in shoulders and am 5'8.
sounds good? but it isnt. my waist is decent but I have NO hips at all. so it still looks kinda awkward
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>>5454864
>I put nair on it, and now the cheeks are really red and itchy from hair growing back. The hair was all vellus though, so I dunno why it hurts so much ;~;
m-maybe I could rub in some lotion a-and kiss it better
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>>5454875
>I have NO hips at all
I have seen your picture and you are a liar
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>>5454868

I'm sorry for you. I know exactly how you feel and all I can say is I'm sorry.
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What happened to Moof?
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>>5454879
nobody here has seen me from waist down since Ive never taken pictures of that. whats your point?
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>>5454875
Base measurements are like
Underbust: 36
Waist: 33
Hips: 39
Shoulders: 17

I expect things to change with weight loss though

>>5454874
Better than normal but headache

>>5454869
Well that's good
I won't look like a freak right?
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>>5454882
she killed herself
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>>5454876
Maybe someone already tried that. Maybe it didnt help
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>>5454874
it wasnt that bad I guess, I am just really sensitive. I was at my grandmas place with a whole bunch of family. they all have seen me a few times before and that wasnt a problem, but there were still old pictures of me on the walls and my grandma mum and aunt thought it was appropriate to talk about how nice and interesting it is to get pregnant, and have children, and have really wide childbearing hips like my sister.
and I sat there wanting to die ;-;
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It's funny.
I've known I was a female since first grade.

Now it's too fucking late because of life choices and im old and would be a hon plus have duties which don't allow me to do it.
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>>5454891
that somoene wasnt me though I might be able to help where that boy (I assume it as a boy) couldn't
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>>5454885
Im a skeleton, I can only tell you how it is when youre underweight. Ive no clue how people actually gain weight. I need A LOT of efford to even gain like 3 lbs. and I cant even hold them usually. forever 115 lbs (or less)
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>>5454886
Bullshit
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>>5454898
why not?
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So I may have just read... all of Tomo-chan wa Onnonoko
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>>5454856
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1814892

Maybe it is bigger than the average but who knows
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>>5454901
God dawn
I wish I could into that weight but too big
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I'm joining your ranks whether you like it or not.
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>>5454891
ummm


>>5454892
ugh that sounds horrible ;~;

i don't think you are being overly sensitive about it either I think anyone in your situation would feel really bad. you poor girl ;__;
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>>5454919

I think it's above average but not exceptionally large, most people probably wouldn't notice
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>>5454902
I'm sorry but its true
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>>5454923
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>>5454923
*hands over uniform*
your first guard duty starts tomorrow morning! make surey you sleep well

>>5454920
trust me, its not enough. Id need to gain 10 lbs to not get people asking me if I am anorexic all the time.

>>5454924
I just REALLY want ovaries bby ;___;
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>>5454869
Ya got me partner
I'm just having some fun
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>>5454934
I don't sleep too well ;n;
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>>5454943
You and I will be great friends then
I got a few disjointed hours of sleep earlier but I was dreaming about bicycles and evil iguanas so I decided to stop
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>>5454926
Why must you lie
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>>5454950
Lying is a contact sport
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>>5454952
Your Mom is a contact sport :^3
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>>5454956
No she plays tennis
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>>5454958
so, shes hitting a lot of balls while sweating and moaning? :^)
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>>5454956
That was so juvenile. But funny.

>>5454964
Handling. She's handling a lot of balls. You just have to ruin every joke.
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>>5454968
>You just have to ruin every joke.

;____;
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>>5454964
Good work Phien
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>>5454970
<3
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>>5454968
>implying hitting balls hasn't been the epitome of comedy since the dawn of humankind.
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>>5454971
Being praised by the resident autist concerning your humor is not a good thing.

>>5454976
Eyyy Watashi!
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>>5454979
theres barely anyone here thats not an autist tho, so I guess Ill take what I can get.
the times were most of the people here were insane but still quite normal have been over for a long time imo.
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>>5454979
Hello, how are you?
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>>5454979
I just want to talk to people...
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>>5454989
tell me about your life now.
are you still as awesome as you were when we werent as old?

>>5454992
tell me stuff!
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>>5454983
I would take the usual tranny insanity over the current boring state of affairs here any time of the day. I am sick and tired of anime posting, constant erp-ing, internet breakups and other assorted shit. This place used to be funny. Now everyone is as bland and boring as you.

>>5454989
So-so. Still healing the crater in my mouth left by the surgeon.
Is this a one time visit or are you planning to stay? I miss your misery fueled shitposting.
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>>5454682
for 2016 I need to do lots of things..

Wanna finally get my acne scars on my face treated
Have to get my eye operated on (really bad vision right now, also strabismus)
Laser for facial hair removal
Start HRT, first with anti-androgen, followed by estrogen! (self-medication for now, I don't feel the courage to talk to a doctor yet)
I'll continue practising my voice, makeup
Alrthough a lot of my friends already know, I have to tell more people. I cannot for my life tell my parents yet..

...
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>>5454998
wait, I dont do any of the
>anime posting, constant erp-ing, internet breakups and other assorted shit

also, you arent angie? thats kind of boring
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>>5454995
I don't have much to talk about honestly
I don't have friends other than the guy I like and we only really talk when something is wrong
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>>5454998
When was it funny?

Who were the entertaining trips?
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>>5455006
I wonder what its like to have real friends as a girl. thats the stuff that keeps me awake at night.
Like, I wanna watch cute movies and drink great wine with friends and stuff. but I guess thats not gonna happen
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>>5455001
Do your Ganbatte!
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>>5454995
I'm full-time, have relatively steady work and think I may have found myself with a gf.

I'm not very awesome.

>>5454998
I've had a lot of free time with Christmas, also this new medication I'm trying is making it so I can't sleep more than three hours at a time. I'll probably be here even less once that evens out and things pick up more for me again.

What happened to your mouth?
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>>5455013
pleaaaaaase
youre one of the best trips!
I am glad you made so much progress!
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>>5454998
>I am sick and tired of anime posting, constant erp-ing
>I miss your misery fueled shitposting.
someone is confused
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>>5455002
Being bland and boring is not the end of the world. No need to get buttflustered.

>>5455008
It wasn't just the trips. It was the general interaction (or shit slinging). Now all of that is drowned under a torrent of anime images and people here acting like complete caricatures.

>>5455013
Wisdom tooth. It had to go. As with anything regarding me, it put up one Hell of a fight on it's way out. Gave the surgeon a good resistance training session.
I am glad you are getting your shit in order. I will miss you.
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>>5455009
Like girlfriends?
I don't really like the concept personally, I hang out in the kitchen sometimes when my parents have friends over just to be part of a conversation that isn't sports
Daily life isn't worth gossiping about in my opinion but somehow they always have new shit to talk about like strange people they ran into and I just don't see the appeal of mundane conversation
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I'm back from christmas, how.ru my favorite people?
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>>5455025
there is still plenty of shit slinging and caricatures for you to enjoy
that much hasn't changed
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>>5455025
I agree.
You know I've done my fair share of brutally violent posting for fun. Maybe I should bring that back. I do love saying brutal shit to people. Especially since I legitimately hate most of the people here.
They are cliquey and just target people and lie and cheat to get their way.

The dox shit was gay but the shitposting and brutal posting before that was fun as fuck.
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>>5455018
Thanks Sophie, how've you been by the way? Are you still with Adolf?

>>5455025
That doesn't sound fun, hopefully they at least gave you some of the good stuff for getting that taken out.

I've posted once or twice each day over the past few days and I see what you mean, it's way more fucking circlejerky then it ever used to be and really boring to boot.
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>>5455025
I dont get buttflustered on a cambodian flute carving convention tho!

>>5455027
yes.
I dunno, its not about gossip, just talking to someone irl that isnt my SO would be nice occasionaly.
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>>5455025
>Now all of that is drowned under a torrent of anime images and people here acting like complete caricatures.
Angie please
I can't do anything about being a caricature of a person
>>5455036
I guess but I never really felt the need to know more than a few people
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>>5454875
What is the standard for a good fem body? I would like to be more fem but my face just doesn't allow for it, and I don't know how well my actual body holds up.
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>>5455023
Let's not talk about confusion here of all places.

>>5455023
>>5455030
No the character of it all has changed. Used to be you could pop in here for a laugh, maybe do some funposting. Now I just take one look and close the tab.

>>5455033
This is just a bunch of strangers interacting not some Mexican telenovela.
And why would you try and hurt others here? It's not like they don't do it themselves.
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>>5455035
yes :3!
I wanna get a trachea shave in a few months. already have the money but was too lazy to get an appointment. uni is stressfull tho. Ill be so glad once I can get out and if/when I get a job

>>5455041
short (preferably around 5'6), narrow build, decent hips, slim but enough fat for decent boobs butt and tights, shoesize <40, not giant hands (fingers dont matter as much, the palm is important)
I guess thats the ideal. never seen any transperson that started after 18 that had this kind of body, but I think a few come really close.
obviously you can pass with a lot less, but I guess nobody wants to "just" pass.
to pass all the time, I think transwomen need to be pretty too, or you will get clocked occasionaly when youre not at your best.
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>>5455052
Because everyone here is a piece of shit. The reason why they transitioned is to get away with being a piece of shit because you can't act the way they do if you're male.
Honestly this place is a fucking cesspool.
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>>5455054
>you can't act the way they do if you're male.

you can unless youre beta af
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>>5455053
That feel when you are 6'1 and you don't know how good your hips are and are so skinny your ribs poke out.
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>>5455052
at least you're still around to act like a basement dwelling crackhead outraged anyone could be friendly
you got what you wanted and now you think it's bland and boring just fuck off for good already
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>>5455054
I get away with acting this way to people I know
I just refuse to interact with strangers
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Is there any site I can order hormones from right now and not have to go through bullshit?
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>>5455057
Like a complete backstabbing liar that shit talks all of their friends no loyalty pieces of shit? Yeah no man can act like that without getting fucked up.

I hate every person on this goddamn planet every fucking one of them. I have been wronged too many times. I can't kill anybody so I might as well be an asshole.
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>>5455035
Local anesthesia all the way. A few over the counter painkillers as needed afterwards but that's it.
Let's hope that the New Year will shake up things a bit.

>>5455054
And you are a shining beacon of virtue of course.

>>5455066
Whingie?
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>>5455066
So you're mad about being disliked and distrusted...
And your solution is to live up to that expectation?
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>>5455067
No im not angie but I can see why angie does what she does. I don't think were friends but you girls are brutal to her. Constantly being mean not including her in shit and just being a piece of shit in general to her. Than once someone gets mad...ooo you're crazy its not our fault. Fuck every single one of you.

>>5455069
No im just a ball of anger with no positive outlet.
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>>5455066

Before you tell yourself it's just a different scene remember it's just different from what you've seen. -Abraham Lincoln
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>>5455065
if youre european, qhi is an option. theyre closed until the 4th tho

>>5455066
yes. a few of my old friends acted that way. Only towards people that were on acquaintance level tho, not close friends.


Ive no clue who is who now, so I am not gonna comment on how youre all fags, but Ill enjoy the entertainment
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>>5455066
you sound fucking retarded so are you Kayla or are you Sage?
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>>5455070
I can't help you either way so
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>>5455075
Ugh is there anywhere else?
I'm going to run out if I don't order soon
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>>5455078
thats not sages style. its definitely not her.
could be kayla tho
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>>5455083
I am sorry, I never selfmedded ;_;
for my country, I am pretty sure thats the only address. might be different if you live in france or spain or something tho
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>>5455078
Neither
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>>5455087
are there really this many retarded betas that think transitioning is their only path to being pieces of shit on the internet without consequences?
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>>5455090
You can be a shit on the internet without any kind of reason
Doesn't anyone know this?
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>>5455070
Whingie does what she does because she is a miserable, morbid person at her worst. Unfortunately there is no best (or good for that matter) state of mind with her. Plus someone being mean to you on Skype or whatever is no reason to proclaim a crusade against all those mean trannies.

>>5455084
Might be Binary.
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>>5455070
>>5455098
I don't think it's any wonder Angie isn't included and the same could be said for the rest of you that do this
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after 5 days of being constantly with my crush I now have to sleep alone in an empty house.. it's pretty quiet with only my plushie to protect me..
sweet dreams mtfg
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>>5455107
d-did ur trip fall off?? >.>;;;
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>>5455111
Kira, would you top me?
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Why do people hate druggies

idk
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>>5455111
Kira who is the cutest girl on mtfg?
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>>5455116
>>
Maybe it's not me she's trying to avoid
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helo
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>>5455116
do u really need to ask, I don;t think u do desu
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>>5455145
Besides elf i mean.
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>Shoulders 18
>Underbust 32
>Waist 32
>Hips 40

Am I gonna make it?
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>>5455145
Sheen right?
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>>5455156
Lose some weight
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>>5455159
I'm planning on it. Is it fine to do it during HRT or should I do it beforehand?
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>>5455156
Smaller underbust than me
Why is your waist and underbust the same?
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>>5455161
It's more difficult to lose weight on E, but it's not worth delaying it for that. Just get on hrt asap and put in the hard work.
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goodnight mtfg, I hope those of you who are unhappy feel better today
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hi
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>>5455162
Boy bodies tend to be straight
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>>5455118
lol
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>>5455162
No idea. I may have mismeasured because the only tape I have on hand is quite small at 25 inches, so I've been measuring myself in parts and then adding them together, so there's probably an error margin of a few inches.

Also I have a lot more fat around my waist then on my chest, so hopefully weight loss will fix it up a bit.
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>>5455115
cause theyre taking the drugs that I want.
>>
the most delusional trips:

kiwi
bexe
myna
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>>5455182
I bet I am more delusional!
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>>5455171
Will HRT slimmen the waist?

>>5455176
Trying to lose weight too
Hoping my underbust can reach around 33 inches
I'm not sure how small my waist can go though.
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Would you characterize someone who couldn't describe why, but that they really enjoyed being in a loving relationship with a transgirl that they don't think was purely sexual, a chaser?
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>>5455185
u might get more fat on your hips
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>>5455184
kiwi - dreamt up an anime scenario and thinks it's real
bexe - thinks she's attractive enough to be with elanna
myna - generally braindead
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>>5455169
Hi Rumy.
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>>5455190
Everyone is either a chaser or a hon.
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>>5455191
I know that will happen
I'm just wondering if my waist can become smaller with HRT.
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do i pass?
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>>5455193
Hello anon, how are you?

>>5455197
ahh, that im not so sure about
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>tfw ribcage juts out like 6 inches from my flat belly

Is there even any hope?
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>>5455198
stop
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>>5455198
Hey you posted this yesterday I think but yeah you pass really well imo and you are really pretty as well. I really love your eyes
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>>5455198
I'd say yes. You're not exactly extremely beautiful, probably something like 6/10, but you do look girlish.
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>>5455198
yes
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>>5455198
Come on you did this yesterday.

>>5455201
There is always hope.

>>5455199
Good, good. About to eat. I hope all is a-OK in Remy-land.
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>>5455198
The only thing that really puts me off is your hairline is kinda fucked in the middle, just looks really thin. Apart from that you pass fine.
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>>5455205
This is the most cancerous shit I've ever seen
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>>5455204
?

>>5455205
thanks but i really need ffs for my chin

>>5455206
this troll respond leads to me believe the opposite of what you say is true. so i am attractive, but i am not girlish
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>>5455169
Orlroight maaayte
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>>5455211
I'm sorry
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>>5455208
i know, but i didn't get any responses

>>5455213
i am on blockers so hopefully my bald spot will fill up in time
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>>5455213
>?
you posted this last thread and yes you do pass
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>>5455210
this

fix your hairline and youll pass perfectly with ease.
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>>5455221
what about my chin?
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>>5455208
>There is always hope.

It seems far to barrel chested to me for me to ever pass. I mean if I were ever to wear a tight-ish top I'd look terrible.

I was lucky enough to have decently girlish features otherwise - wide hips, smallish waist, small hands and feet, girlish height, somewhat androgynous face, but I feel like the barrel chest ruins it more than anything. I mean, if I were tall I could still pass, if my face were a bit manish I could probably still pass, just as an ugly girl rather than a decent one, but the chest seems like a death sentence to me.
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>>5455210
>>5455222
i am on blockers so hopefully my bald spot will fill up in time
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>>5455216
>maayte
>tfw thats how i actually say it
forever dragging my A's out

>>5455208
Yes everything is good in Rumy-land
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>>5455226
not impossible but very unlikely.
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>>5455223
its not going to stop you from passing but yeah I can see why you want ffs for it
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>>5455185
it did for me, just redistributed it a bit so I was less of a V and more of an hourglass
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>>5455229
i read on multiple accounts blocking T will in turn block out DHT which will lead to increased hair growth in areas where it thinned out
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>>5455228
I heard your voice before. You don't drag them out in the way I was trying to imply with the typing
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>>5455230
it's really ugly i fucking hate my chin. it needs to go
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>>5455223
You won't go on another rant about your manly buttchin again will you?
It looks fine.

>>5455224
>far to barrel chested to me for me to ever pass
That is simply not true. Passing is graded, so to speak, on a number of characteristics. Chest is just one of them. It's not a binary fail/pass kind of situation. Besides you have a trip here camming while looking like a LEGO brick and nobody seems to mind.
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>>5455135
h-hi?
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>>5455232
That's good
I wonder how small it can get though
What's the average difference between an underbust and waist?
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>>5455223

your picture is angled to make it less obvious, but it looks fine
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>>5455234
oh you're that britanon, i see m8
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>>5455233
well, yes it will stop further loss in basically all cases, but it is hyper rare to reverse anything in a meaningful way. I think I know one case where that happened. maybe youll get lucky tho, who knows
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>>5455240
>You won't go on another rant about your manly buttchin again will you?
>It looks fine.
You don't understand anon, her chin is literally worse than Jay Leno's
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>>5455249
I doubt she looks like Robert Z'Dar.
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>>5455240
thanks but it's fucked up looking and preventing me from passing

>>5455244
what do you mean? my jawline is okay, just my chin. you can see how fucked it is with a front seat view. with me driving the buttchin bus
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>>5455240
>That is simply not true. Passing is graded, so to speak, on a number of characteristics. Chest is just one of them. It's not a binary fail/pass kind of situation. Besides you have a trip here camming while looking like a LEGO brick and nobody seems to mind.

Sure, but how many women are there with large chests like this? I mean, if I google something like "square jawed women" I can find pictures of women with such a typically masculine feature, even women many would find attractive. But when I google "barrel chested women" I can't find a single image of any woman like this.
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>>5455243

my underbust is 33 and my waist is 29, so I imagine much smaller for cis girls. I plan to do corset training eventually to get mine down
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>>5455247
Yeah, THAT britanon lol
How's the new romance going? Everything smoothed out now after the other night?
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>>5455257
Nice
33 is the smallest I reckon I could get by underbust down to. Right now it's like 35-36
I'm not sure about corset training though, it is dangerous and I worry it will make me look disproportionate
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>>5455248
coupled with vitamin supplements my hair line got better over the last year. it used to be worse believe it or not. i'm not too worried about it
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>>5455249
it is really bad
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>>5455262

its only dangerous if you go nuts with it and want to have a stupidly small waist,if you're sensible its perfectly fine
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>>5455249
>>5455205
Stop attacking anon with a dropped trip kit. We can all tell by your writing style.
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>>5455255
Looking for a certain group that has a physical feature similar to you is not going to help you in any way. It's just going to make you miserable. You should put your time and effort into overcoming whatever you think is holding you back regarding your looks, within reason.
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>>5455255
They definitely exist, I see them in person all the time. Lots of short and fat/stocky women have humongous underbusts. It's not exactly the same as a barrel chest but it's hard to see any difference with clothes on.
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Evening /mtfg/ how is everyone tonight?
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>>5455182
I'm not delusional I'm just not normal
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>>5455269
that's not me tho !!
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>>5455268
I want a normal waist, not one of those freaky ass tiny waists.
Wish you could make your chest smaller too :/
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>>5455264
I dont.
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>>5455258
Yeah, it didnt help that i was drunk but she said that its fine, and we pretty much swept it under the carpet and forgot that it even happened.
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>>5455283
not that anon but what can be done to help fix hairline problems other then hair transplants
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>>5455269
>>5455281
why would you be nice to be then be so toxic minutes apart? did i do something to you? not like you can't clear cache to make it look like that

>>5455283
i don't care if you do or not, it was a figure of speech
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>>5455288
UGH idek what that means tho.

i'm not like that at all i would never do that ;_; why do you think it's me that is posting ??
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is agp to like lucina?
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>>5455285
Ouch, close escape, glad to hear it's sorted though.
I tend to avoid to much alcohol, I've got a low tolerance level before I start getting a little too over-emotional. Combine that with the fact booze makes me open up more too and it can be a volatile combination sometimes
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>>5455290
what don't you understand? i don't know you, i don't look or post in here much, but the people in here seem to know what you're about. if your personality can change that suddenly and drastically maybe you should seek medical help. and stay away from me, not like i care what a psychopath thinks of me
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>>5455293
Damn weebs.
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>>5455288
I know, thats why I posted.

>>5455287
nothing. you can try out finasteride and stuff, but theres no guarantee it will return anything at all. there was one case here of a person that got basically all of her hair back that way, but this was also the only case that could back those claims at all. you will see people claiming bullshit like vitamins or rain dances all the time. its probably more likely to win the lottery tho.

>>5455293
everything is agp this year.

>>5455298
holy fuck, whats wrong with you?
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>>5455290
Kit just ignore the crazy troll.
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>>5455302
>I know, thats why I posted.
you posted in response to a figure of speech?

>holy fuck, whats wrong with you?
maybe you should look at what she said to me under anonymous. i'm being reactionary, is that so unreasonable?
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>>5455302
>bullyshit like vitamins

you know, you might want to do some research before saying shit like this. nutrients and hair vitality is definitely strongly related. with more evidence to back it up than some poster on 4chan too
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>>5455274
I don't know. As of right now my dysphoria, barring the occasional swing, is minor to the point where I'd prefer to be an attractive boy to a somewhat attractive girl with a really odd chest, but I'm really worried that my dysphoria will just worsen with age until I reach the breaking point, but by that point I'll be so old, like in my 30s or 40s, that my only option would be either to go full hon mode or suicide.
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>>5455293
does it really matter tho???
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>>5455295
Yeah i dont drink at all apart from christmas and sometimes new years and i drank far too much and went a bit loopy, but its all good now
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>>5455310
>you posted in response to a figure of speech?

yes, to make a point.

>maybe you should look at what she said to me under anonymous

maybe you should spend more time on cambodian flute carving conventions before taking the word of some anon for a fact. Its pretty unlikely that it was her. still possible of course, but we will never know. youre most likely being a dick to someone that was nice to you for no apparent reason.

>>5455313
I swear, sometimes I feel like I am in my first term again.

NO amount of vitamins of any kind will reverse MPB. Of course, if your diet is so shitty that you start losing hair, fixing the diet will increase hair health, but thats completely unrelated to DHT induced hairloss.
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>>5455314
Adding even more complexity to your life (transition, HRT, etc.) should be done as a last resort. Why would you think that your dysphoria would get worse if you are feeling well enough now?
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>>5455314
>>5455328

Theres a theory that T numbs dysphoria to a certain point. Later in life, T levels in males drop, possibly weakening defenses against dysphoria.
I think thats just a theory, but it might have merit?
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>>5455335
How can you believe it if it's just a theory, a gauss?
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>>5455325
>yes, to make a point.
what was your point? by responding to something nonliteral when it was explicitly stated how i don't care what you think, to illustrate how you don't believe how my hairline has gotten better? dumb

>maybe you should spend more time on cambodian flute carving conventions before taking the word of some anon for a fact. Its pretty unlikely that it was her.
lol cambodian flute carving conventions, wtf lame
>still possible of course, but we will never know
what is your point here? to negate yourself of your own point?

>NO amount of vitamins of any kind will reverse MPB. Of course, if your diet is so shitty that you start losing hair, fixing the diet will increase hair health, but thats completely unrelated to DHT induced hairloss.
who said anything about MPB? my overall hair thinning pattern and sequence indicated otherwise
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>>5455328
I feel like it's already been getting worse as I age and I've read scientific studies and such that seem to claim the dysphoria just gets worse if it's not treated. I'm already planning on seeing a therapist about this but that doesn't make me any less anxious or worried as of right now.
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>>5455341
Isn't it obvious it's some bitter hon trying to be snarky to you because they're jealous?
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>>5455341
>what was your point?
that youre bullshitting

>what is your point here? to negate yourself of your own point?
I am explaining to you how imageboards work, cause apparently youre as new as a newborn.

>who said anything about MPB?

why would the anon I was responding to in the first post >>5455287 >NOT< refer to MPB? If its not DHT related its not a transproblem, hence theres no reason to ask a transperson about it.

>>5455345
lol :^)
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Why is it that people here say I have potential or look somewhat cute but I cannot see that? How can I see what they see?
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>>5455348
Because, not to put a too fine point on it, you are crazy (and I am not being mean).
The reality and you are at odds.
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>>5455348
Because people are their own worst critics usually and opinions on things like attractiveness etc are always subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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>>5455348
Post Butt!
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>>5455349
What do you mean by crazy?
Like I'm seeing things worse than they really are?

>>5455353
Is there anyway I can see myself in a normal light?

>>5455354
Can't even if I wanted to, phone is dead.
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>tfw going through withdrawal.
Not a single (you) yet today. Nobody liked any of my shitposts.
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>>5455346
>that youre bullshitting
clearly you need to refocus your energy on something more positive. i have nothing to gain from being dishonest about my own anecdotal experience. clearly, you're buttblasted about something here

>I am explaining to you how imageboards work, cause apparently youre as new as a newborn.
you mean the same place where people seek to relieve themselves by acting out? i can see that

>If its not DHT related its not a transproblem, hence theres no reason to ask a transperson about it.
i can't speak for them, unlike you i don't care to impose my own thoughts onto other people, not all hair problems are specific to trans people, just like how not all hair loss is related to DHT
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>>5455359
>Is there anyway I can see myself in a normal light?
It's about mindset more than anything, learn to acknowledge your good points. You don't have to be blind to your negatives but don't let them man more to you than the positives
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>>5455345
it's obvious when someone gets uppity about something so insignificant, that they're trying to find someone to dislike as a gauge of empowerment. it's always some fucking zero who does this too
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>>5455362
>liked
/facebook/ is that way
Here's your (you)
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>>5455367
I know my good points, it just seems that my chest size especially pretty much kills them or will destroy any chance I have at passing.
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>>5455369
Bingo.
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>>5455367
>don't let them man more to you
Holy shit, I really couldn't have made a worse typo than that, kill me now
*mean more to you
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>>5455375
right? i have nothing to gain by acting like an emotionally unstable child on the internet. funny how someone who's attempting to appear as 'intelligent' is in fact coming across as emotionally equivalent that of a child. i'm happy with how my transition is going, but i know i am not without my inherent flaws due to puberty and assigned biological traits
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>>5455374
That's the point I'm making though, you're giving that 1 negative more importance than everything else
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>>5455381
I think you are fucking beautiful. Good job!
>>
sup /mtfg/

I had a good night last night.
How's y'all today, ladies
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>mfw people think I'm miserable 100% of the time
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>>5455381
Woah
Cis tier imo
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>>5455381
What are you even trying to achieve by posting here then?

If you believe your chin is so shit post a photo without abusing angles because it's impossible for anyone to judge it with the ones you've posted.
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>>5455381
>inherent flaws
Penis aside I don't really see it. But a good photographer can make pictures say what you want to hear
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>>5455389
>tfw you will never play vidya with angie
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>>5455388
I didn't sleep for the second night in a row and now I've read Tomochan wa Onnanoko twice because I'm bored and a little out of it
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>>5455388
Do you get off on invading trans spaces?
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>>5455386
thank you, but i'm not there yet. far from it

>>5455390
don't be ridiculous

>>5455392
you're confusing chin with jaw
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>>5455394
I only play with people who aren't scrubs at games
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>>5455384
It feels like it's a big negative that negates every good point.
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>>5455364
>i have nothing to gain from being dishones
I didnt mean to imply dishonesty. I am implying that youre mad that I wasnt reading your mind properly. at no point in our conversation up to the point we re discussing did you imply that your hairloss was not caused by DHT, in fact, you implied the opposite. and I called you out on stating that vitamins fix DHT induced hairloss. and now youre mad :^)

>i can see that
I like how you havent even tried to defend yourself for being shitty to kit for no reason tho, lol

>unlike you i don't care to impose my own thoughts onto other people

what, why did you even enter the conversation I had with the other anon in the first place then?
like, seriously, do you think

>>5455369
>it's always some fucking zero who does this too
oh I am laffin babe. you have no idea :^)
I am the honest
....oh wait, that doesnt work as well in english :(
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>>5455388
Morning circe

It was a drunk night again.
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>>5455393
my chin is fucked up looking. if it was more feminine i would pass
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>>5455395

Do you have a cold? >:
Don't stay up, babe, you're dazy enough as it is.
. .always, how do you like it?

>>5455396

Already masturbating, always masturbating.

>>5455405

Sounds ffffun? . 3.
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>>5455408
No one is going to call you out for having a messed up chin.
Cis girls have masculine flaws and do see them getting called out?

Please don't be retarded
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>>5455398
What? You said chin in every fucking post in this thread. The only thing anyone can see from your girlmode pics is that it's a butt chin, you've angled the rest away.

>>5455254
>my jawline is okay, just my chin
>>5455249
>chin
>>5455238
>it's really ugly i fucking hate my chin. it needs to go
>>5455223
>chin
>>5455213
>really need ffs for my chin
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>>5455409
I don't think I'm sick I just haven't been sleeping and my passing out is interrupted by crazy dreams I stopped trying to sleep at 3 am because there was something with a bicycle and an evil magical iguana
And I've read it all twice this morning so I think I like it
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>>5455408
Unless you are literally the goddess of angles, your chin is no worse than a lot of cis actresses and models
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>>5455404
>I didnt mean to imply dishonesty. I am implying that youre mad that I wasnt reading your mind properly.
you're not making a whole a lot of sense here. try again

>at no point in our conversation up to the point we re discussing did you imply that your hairloss was not caused by DHT, in fact, you implied the opposite.
you're going off on implications. i'm telling you right now it's not solely caused by DHT

>you're mad :^)
sure, think whatever you want if it makes you feel better. i think it probably will judging by how trivial you're acting

>oh I am laffin babe. you have no idea :^)
have fun
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>>5455417

Have you been eating ok? . 3.
Sounds kind of miserable. On the otherhand, also sounds kind of like my sleep patterns for like the past six years and I'm still alive so whatever right
Also, I'm trying to watch Welcome to the NHK rn
It's difficult. The feels are real.
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>>5455410
what's retarded is people like you being complacent and thinking cis girls are allowed to have masculine traits, thereby i don't need to do anything about something i feel insecure about

>>5455415
for you, please relearn what chin means. you keep saying it's angled, but you can see my chin clearly
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>>5455419
i have a buttchin. you are talking about my jaws, i agree they are okay
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>>5455424
I don't know what constitutes "eating well" but as far as I remember I haven't eaten anything strange
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>>5455434

you're an idiot
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>>5455342
It's a good first step. Best of luck. Most people here seem to go for the nuclear option of going through as much three letter acronyms as possible but I hope it won't be as bad with your case.

>>5455359
Not worse necessarily. More like processing what you see incorrectly. Grossly exaggerated features in some cases, missing features in others, all with the purpose of trying to feed into this deep sense of insecurity.
You should be doing the opposite actually. Trying to solidify how you see yourself and figuring rational steps to improve.
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>>5455440
it holds a lot of weight coming from you
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>>5455434
You're asking to pass though, not to be a perfect Goddess of femininity or something. You can pass just fine even with a few masculine traits.
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>>5455434
Yeah I can see how fucking retarded you are bambi.
Sounds like you don't know what most cis women look like.
You should go outside once in awhile, it'll do you some good.
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>>5455443
thanks i appreciate it
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>>5455401
And a big problem there will be your focus on it making it seem worse in your mind, which makes you focus even more, which makes it seem even worse ........... see where this is heading?
It's part of your dysphoria and similar to how my depression affects me
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>>5455423
>try again
no, I am afraid your autism is contagious.

>i'm telling you right now it's not solely caused by DHT
and I told you before that it is possible that changing your vitamin intake might very well help if thats the case. whats your point?

>i think it probably will judging
???
>by how trivial you're acting

>current year
>not handling the bantz

>have fun
I am
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>>5455441
It's hard trying to get an accurate image of what I look like
Sometimes I may see myself as a huge man thing, other times I'll see myself having some potential.

>>5455449
That makes a whole lot of sense actually, I feel the more I've looked at it, the worse it's got. Perhaps this is why.
How can I avoid focusing on this?
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>>5455456
>I am afraid your autism is contagious
I hope my autism isn't contagious but at least not many people have been exposed to it if it is
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>>5455444
>Yeah I can see how fucking retarded you are bambi. Sounds like you don't know what most cis women look like.
you understand cis women can be ugly and attractive right? you also understand how these perceptions can be propelled by their traits? it sounds like you're willing to be less than best you can be and you're okay with that. it's your life, not mine. lmao what a drooler

>You should go outside once in awhile, it'll do you some good.
i am sure you're living a fulfilling life for you to be saying this to me
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>>5455434
You're either angling it out it's retracted in some way that I can not clearly see it, but fine. I'll reword it for you. Post a picture like you were sending it to your insurance company to get them to believe you *need* surgery paid for. Make it look as bad as possible.

But I imagine you like people telling you how pretty you are so you won't do it.
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>>5455464
>out
Or*
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>>5455461
You can be the best you can be but guess what? There is no best.
You can have the most feminine chin and people can still say you have a masculine chin.

You're basically saying that women aren't allowed to have any masculine features. You live in a very skwered world where you're chasing something you will achieve.

But hey, you keep living in your delusions.
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Everyone above this line is AGP
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>>5455468
*you will never achieve
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>>5455469
What a relief to be told what I am
Now I can go live my life like I'm supposed to
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>>5455469
So is everyone below it
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>>5455456
you're quickly degraded yourself to redundant 4chan insults ie autism and it's obvious you don't have anything else left

>i'm telling you right now it's not solely caused by DHT
>and I told you before that it is possible that changing your vitamin intake might very well help if thats the case. whats your point?
that my hair loss was not solely caused by DHT

>I am
good luck with that
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>>5455468
How to accept my bad features, Angie?
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>>5455460
I wouldnt mind if its yours tho, I think youre p. cool

>>5455475
>it's obvious you don't have anything else left

exactly, all of your points have been refuted and Ive no material left, thats unfortunate but I guess all fun comes to an end eventually.
thanks for entertaining me tho!
I am looking forward to next time!
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>>5455477
You just do.
Work on what you can fix and forget about what you can't fix.
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>>5455477
Time, experience, and getting hugboxed a lot. Eventually you'll believe your friends when they say you can pass/are pretty even if you still can't see it yourself.
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>>5455464
angling out a buttchin would need to be a side profile. my problem can be seen with a frontal view as i have posted and if you can't understand that i have no desire to bother talking to you

>>5455468
>You can have the most feminine chin and people can still say you have a masculine chin.
as long as i know i have a feminine chin i won't care what other people will try to tell me, because i know it won't be true

>You're basically saying that women aren't allowed to have any masculine features.
you're putting words in my mouth. i never said that, i only said such traits will be a downgrade factor for them. some cis women fix their flaws and some don't. it's a matter of free will and feasibility. never did i say it was not allowed

>You live in a very skwered world where you're chasing something you will achieve.
you sound jaded what happened to you in life?
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>>5455486
That's why I never ask for family and friends opinions.
Places like soc and reddit are better for getting opinions.
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>>5455481
i am glad you are entertained by your own musings and delusions of adequacy
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>>5455490
>you're putting words in my mouth. i never said that, i only said such traits will be a downgrade factor for them. some cis women fix their flaws and some don't. it's a matter of free will and feasibility. never did i say it was not allowed
To you they are flaws but maybe not to others.
Take olivia Wilde for example, she has a huge jaw, but she is still hot.
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>>5455491
>reddit
Transpassing is a giant hugbox tho
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>>5455459
You ever heard of multiple redundancy? Where you have a number of components talking to each other? In case of a mistake the faulty one can be out-voted by the others. Since you are the faulty one here, other components you are talking to are other people. You have to find people whom you trust and whose opinion holds weight with you.
So when you start going all loopy they can put you and keep you on the right road.
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>>5455490
So all this whining is just that it's a butt chin? There's no height or other shape issues?

Stop saying you need ffs if that's all it is. You don't need to go to an ffs surgeon to fix a butt chin, regular plastic surgeons can do it and it'll be way cheaper.
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>>5455495
i know what you're saying, but it's something i have a major complex about it and won't go away until i get ffs
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>>5455496
That's why you don't post in Transpassing.
Post in places where people think you're not trans
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>>5455498
I feel like I'd trust random people as opposed to friends and family who'd probably just say it to make me feel better about myself.
Even after doing so, I find it hard to believe their opinions.
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>>5455502
i haven't looked into regular surgeons but maybe you are right. i want to go to someone who's super experienced in fixing masculine chins and turning into a feminine one, that's all
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>>5455505
Fair enough im retarded
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>>5455491
Might be true. But I trust my friends and either way all my day to day experiences prove them right too. I'd never post a pic on 4chan or reddit anymore so it's not an option anyway.
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>>5455504
But what is feminine
Would this be feminine?https://unsee.
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>>5455509
Stop calling it masculine. It's a fucking butt chin. It's just ugly, women get them too and they go to any old surgeon to fix it.
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>>5455494
thank you :3
that means a lot to me!
you need a trip for next time tho, so I know who to banter with.
Ive been looking for a new nemesis for quite a while now. would be nice if you could fill the position.
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>>5455511
It's what I do

>>5455513
I don't even know why I post in those places.
I mean I pass but I always feel like I need to reach out for other opinions.
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>>5455508
everyone has an agenda obvious or otherwise tho

how else can someone think u are super qt and then w/ some time they think ur ugly and other ppl are more qt???

perception isn't only what the eye sees, but what the individual wants
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>>5455517
>But what is feminine
i assume there are varying degrees of femininity and differently assigned feminine traits across cultures and even individuals living in the same pocket in close proximity. to me, i think a feminine chin is something that cohesively fits a female individual's face

honestly if it wasn't shaped like a butt my chin would be okay
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>>5455505
>Post in places where people think you're not trans

I don't think that'd be the most accurate. Yeah, you may get honest opinions if people tell you you're ugly or whatever, but that doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass. I know everyone wants to look beautiful but passing don't mean you have to look pretty or even average. You can be ugly as hell and still pass, just ugly in a way that seems mostly feminine and not masculine, so that when you walk down the street people think you're an ugly girl and not an ugly man.
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>>5455538
Ok
But didn't answer my other question

>>5455542
But if people aren't questioning your gender and just assume you're ugly, then you pass.
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>>5455526
>Stop calling it masculine.
you're right i shouldn't, although it's not necessarily gender specific like other traits. not sure why i always thought it was masculine, probably because i was born male

>It's a fucking butt chin. It's just ugly, women get them too and they go to any old surgeon to fix it.
thanks, i will research buttchin experts now no joke
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>>5455534
What would the agenda of random people on /mtfg/ telling me I look fine?
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>>5455533
Positive feedback is always nice. I think fishing for compliments is a pretty natural thing to do, it boosts confidence. It's only a problem when you refuse to let yourself believe what people say.

>>5455508
I don't know what you look like so I have no idea, but in my experience not everyone is going to completely lie through their teeth just to hugbox you.
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>being mean to Phienchen

>bullying Kit

Can this troll just fuck off already?
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>>5455555

lots of people who don't pass deflate their passing standard to make themselves feel better, its not as bad here as leddit or the hon sites tho
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>>5455549
I'm glad I got through to you. The only reason I believed you were angling it earlier is because I thought you were complaining about your chin beyond it just being a cleft chin. Good luck finding someone.
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>>5455555
use a lil imagination idk, there are plenty of things esp here
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>>5455557
Outside validation is a lot more weighty when youre feeling dysphoric, you can tell yourself a million times you pass and never believe it but a few outside comments really help ;;
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>>5455557
>I don't know what you look like
I can post an image if you would like

>>5455562
And what of the passers/cis people?

>>5455564
I got a shit imagination.
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>>5455561
dont worry about me anon, I had fun
thanks for caring tho! <3
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>>5455566

they're either being truthful or nice to make you (and them) feel good
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>>5455571
And which one should I believe?
Pretty much all who have commented on my appearence seem to think I'll be fine. Should I believe that everyone is lying to me?
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>>5455548
My point is that you can walk down a street and see ugly women, who are still clearly women.. Just because you're ugly doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass.
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>>5455574
>Should I believe that everyone is lying to me?
no, but you will anyway, thats just how we function :/
I guess its never enough
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>>5455580
Yeah
No matter what people tell me I can still never see myself in a positive light.
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>>5455566
>I can post an image if you would like
No no don't worry about it. It doesn't really matter, I was just saying that because I don't know what you look like I can't make a judgment of if people are just hugboxing or not, but *in general* people aren't going to completely lie to you.

>>5455565
And that's the thing anyway, when you're feeling super dysphoric the odds are you're the one who's wrong about your own appearance. Assuming you've been working on transition for at least a little while.
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>>5455589
As of yet I've never had someone comment on my picture an insult or telling me it's bad/hopeless. Only people telling me I'll be ok, so I guess I'll just have to trust the majority.
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>>5455574

depends if you want to drive yourself mad or not
>>
I really hate tripfags
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http://strawpoll.me/6384578
http://strawpoll.me/6384578
http://strawpoll.me/6384578
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>>5455607
That's ok.
>>5455589
The likelihood actually is you're dysphoric about not passing because you don't pass, since that's the great majority of trans people at any stage.
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>>5455607
youre not alone
we hate ourselves too bbygirl
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>>5455596
You should. Wait till you start getting gendered female by strangers while still believing you look exactly the same as before hrt. That's what really drove it home to me that everyone else was right and I was just delusional about my appearance.

>>5455624
Yeah but so many people who do pass still complain about dysphoria. I mean if you're just starting hormones and feeling dysphoric then sure it's because you don't pass. But if you've been on hrt a while and people are telling you you're fine then you probably are wrong about yourself.

But yeah, there is I think a difference between passing in the eyes of other people and passing to yourself, and that's the root of it all.
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I didn't get a kush pillow for christmas ;_;
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>>5455647
>tfw didnt get ovaries
;_;
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>>5455642
What if I don't get the boymode fail?
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>>5455649
Why you gotta take it to that place phienchen ;_;
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>>5455653
I am so sorry ;;
I wont do that again
pls love me
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>>5455650
Is that a realistic worry? I didn't get boymode fail very often until the last couple months and I'm 1.5 years on hormones. I never believed it would happen until it did. I mean I might be wrong or hugboxing but you have to believe yours will fail eventually too. It just might take a while.
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>>5455555
You're a fat piece of shit.
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>>5455667
But what I mean is, if it doesn't fail
Then I won't get gendered female and won't get that realization
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hands down the best way to know if you pass is just to see how people gender you when you're not dressing overtly feminine
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>>5455673
Ok sure, but what I mean is that that's a *very* big if. I don't know what you should do if it were to happen but I'm just saying given enough time it's really unlikely.
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>>5454754
I fucking hate it when people jump in front of the train. I used to be late for class at LEAST 2-3 times per month because some jackass jumped
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http://strawpoll.me/6384820

http://strawpoll.me/6384820

http://strawpoll.me/6384820
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>>5455680
I see
I hope this statement is true then, I don't want to be stuck in boymode just waiting to be called female.
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>>5455690
Isn't the fact that we're suffering sort of a sign that god exists? Think about it, in most popular religions the whole concept of transgenderism is usually a sin.

It's just a thought.
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>>5455692
I think it is. You should still be proactive about it imo but >>5455678 is pretty right. Just don't let yourself get jelly of the people who fail boymode or start passing earlier than you. It's not a fun road to go down. As much as it sucks, transition happens at different paces for different people and all you can do is be patient.
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>>5455727
mmhm
Still
I can't ever see myself passing in the future and it sucks. I really wish I could, it would be a massive confidence boost.
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>>5455718
The way I see it, pain and suffering are symptoms of the human form being mortal
Since our bodies aren't forever, the pain of dysphoria is an urge to reduce dissonance between our minds and the forms we inhabit
Most everything else I believe to be social
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>>5455690
biased poll is biased

If there's something divine out there it probably ain't singular. I'd imagine there are many gods out there and most either aren't behind the machinations of our suffering or simply don't care.

Personally I find myself questioning but if I were to worship something it would proably be the pantheon of my ancestral religion.
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>>5455718
most religions preach about a benevolent god.
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>>5455690
>blaming an imaginary man in the sky for your troubles
Reminds me of trying to explain to my parents that I don't believe
They kept asking if I was mad at God for something
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>>5455690
I figure the choice is between nothing or some horrible malevolent entity that treats us like playthings. I went for the more comforting option between the two.
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http://nymag.com/following/2015/11/dreaded-anime-avatar-explained.html

Anime avatars are racist now, guess we better stop using them.
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>>5455751
are you simply trying to say we should try to make the most of it given our limited time? your points are disjointed t b h
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>>5455607
This place being filled with tripfags really doesn't help to quell the stereotype of transsexuals all being attention whores.
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Do transgender fetishist women even exist?

I really can't see myself dating a man for some reason.

Lana Wachowski claims her wife is a transgender fetishist, although I doubt the legitimacy of that claim...
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>>5455785
To be honest, this place is full of transsexual stereotypes. I'm willing to bet half the people here are "transbian" perverts tbqhwitufam
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>>5455795
>transbians

don't they have their own thread tho
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>>5455788
oestrogen is a powerful thing
it can change your sexual preference
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>>5455783
It's how pseudo-intellectuals talk around here.
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>>5455804
Yeah, a dead thread filled to the brim with tripfag posts and older transitioners.
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>>5455783
Yes I believe that's what I meant to say, apologies for my disjointed thoughts
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>>5455780
>Anime avatars are racist now, guess we better stop using them.
but isnt racism part of 4chan culture? doesnt that mean we NEED to use more anime avatars?
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>>5455820
>tfw older transitioner and not fond of tlg
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>>5455833
Yeah but you're not gay like I am.
The only reason I browse here is because it's the fastest thread in /lgbt/.
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>>5455780
>someone got paid to write that article
http://nymag.com/following/2015/12/facebook-memers-support-barnie-sandlers.html
His other ones are great tho.
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>>5455843
I'm bi though
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>>5455817
No it's me trying to explain my thoughts verbally, though I can't expect an anonymous idiot to consider the possibility that the process is difficult
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>Trans girl says to me that I pass 100%
>says all I need is clothes, hair style and voice
>I'm not even on hormones
Is there any other more blatant form of hugboxing?
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>>5455850
lainanon 2.0 in the making
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>>5455850

you pass 100% apart from clothes, hair and voice?

so you pass 100% apart from 75% of passing
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>>5455825
immortality in religious context talks about pain and suffering as something temporary, so what you said didn't really seem applicable to mortality.
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>>5455850
I mean, it is possible to just naturally be enough of a girlyboy that you can pass without HRT. I don't know what you look like so I can't confirm if you are naturally girly enough, though.
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>>5455850
put your feminine dick to use already m8
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i killed her...
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>>5455849
Why are you calling me an idiot for your own shortcomings? I'm not the one who can't describe their own thoughts in a precise and succint manner.
>>
so I slammed my gt in the bathroom drawer last night and its all purple and hurts to pee, I did it on purpose but now I regret it
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>>5455858
I'm not one to use the word hugboxing often, but that was definitely it. If I did pass, /mtfg/ would've have told me before.

>>5455859
Apparently
I'm not even close to passing at this moment in actuality.

>>5455862
Definately not natural feminine enough

>>5455864
In due time
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>>5455886
any way to get attention right?
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>>5455780
>Anime avatars are racist now
Dafuq??? Where does it even say that?
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>>5455895
Don't give it replies you retard
>>
Who is the nicest trip?
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>>5455895
Yeah it got annoying years ago
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>>5455886
Why the hell would you do that?
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>>5455902
dysphoria
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>>5455886
>doing harmful stuff to your penis
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>>5455897
Did you even read the article?
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>>5455897
It said they tended to be used by "sexist" people in context of gamergate. Which should be pretty obvious considering the whole thing was mostly people from /v/ and other 4chan boards baiting feminists on twitter.
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>>5455904
Well obv dysphoria is behind it, bit extreme though. Seriously go get it checked out though, if you've caused any serious damage could it not harm chances of success with your SRS goal?
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>>5455907
ive done it once or twice in the past
>>
what are the odds that I'll get HRT from informed consent if I have BPD
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>tfw dreamt of doing lewd things with the boy who kissed me
>tfw waking up ecstatic like it's christmas morning
uuu
good morning /mtfg/
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>>5455861
Pain and suffering are as temporary as we are
>>5455873
I call most people idiots, don't take it personally
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>>5455919
You did text him, right Kiwi?
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>>5455919
Morning Kiwi
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>>5455916
I don't think Kayla wants srs, it is a fetishist or troll.
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>>5455925
n-not yet ;~; i still don't know what's the right thing to say
>>5455928
morning kuppers!
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>>5455908
Yup

>>5455911
Yeah, kinda the point I was making, of all the things it said using assume avatars indicates, I don't remember them ever saying it was "racist"
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>>5455780
>tfw cartman posts a link and then disappears from the thread because his crush elanna isn't here
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>>5455934
Just start with small talk and progress from there! Things will flow naturally. Maybe tell him how surprised you were by the other day...
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>>5455930
I dunno, she says she does and at the mo I still take what everyone says at face value. I was sorry of talking to her about it on another thread last night too
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>>5455930
I hope Kayla is a TROLL bc surgeries are not reversible
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>>5455939
They'd probably be able to make a connection to racism too though, because again, 4chan.
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>>5455945
i'll try that, i suppose
it just sucks how he's gonna be busy all the time now since he's practically running the new store, not getting an answer right away is going to be frustrating and who knows when i'll be able to see him again ;~; i want him to take my breath away again
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help !!
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>>5455948
>she
It*

>>5455950
I hope everyone realizes it's a troll and stops replying to it.
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>>5455959
What happened?
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>>5455907
>not making cuts starting at the start of the shaft and ending just below the head of your penis to prove to yourself that you've truly left every part of your male life behind and are willing to completely fuck your life up in the process
fucking pleb
>>
>>5455953
Your pretty spot on there. Those types of people will twist anything to fit their own agenda anyway
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>>5455924
lol, okay? desu you're coming across as someone who's trying to sound insightful, but fail at it.
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>>5455961
Kayla is a shut in so she actually believes her warped views
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>>5455957
I'm sure he'll make time for his qt girl
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>>5455959
maya bby <3
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>>5455924
>Pain and suffering are as temporary as we are
Congratulations, that's what mortality means.
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>>5455970
i'm pretty sure he doesn't see me as a girl yet, but he's bi so i guess that works out
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>>5455968
Stop calling Kayla "she". If it believes what it says that it's less than human and doesn't deserve human pronouns, and if it's a troll then it's not a "she". Either way "it" is the only acceptable pronoun.
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>>5455963
Less melodramatics pls.
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>>5455981
You do realise that this kinda shit is probably a big contributor toward the mental instability Kayla displays at times?
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>>5455963
I'd rather lose an arm than have even as much as a scratch done to my penis

but again i'm not trans, so.
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Heya girls what's up?
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If someone has like 2 inch hair is a wig ever the answer? Can it be okay

help!
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>>5455993
Maybe it should stop posting here.
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>>5455944
>Why wont cartman talk to me :(
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this outfit cute or not?
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>>5456003
I have a cis friend who wears human hair wigs because she hates her afro hair, looks fine to me.
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>>5456005
>tfw he doesnt talk to me either
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not really
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>>5456011
Nope, that is majorly tacky
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>>5456004
Maybe you should get over yourself
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>>5456005
I know why, because you're crushing on elanna and that's the reason you still post here. It's ok. I think you're doing a good job of wooing her.
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>>5456005
Hello Zyklonfuhrer Cartman
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>>5456011
looks like if ke$ha and rihanna had an illegitimate incestual lovechild
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>>5456004
the face he makes whenever people talk about him in joy
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>>5456005
>implying
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>>5456011
I think simple geometric patterns are better than complex ones. Also looks too much like a 90s carpet pattern.
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>>5456027
>>
http://strawpoll.me/6385478

http://strawpoll.me/6385478

http://strawpoll.me/6385478
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>>5456013
Do you know where she gets them?
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>>5456027
>>5456004
You're going really overboard here...it's fine to dislike her, and I can understand/sympathize if you find her melodramatic or naive, but dehumanizing her and misgendering her is just too much
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>>5456037
No idea, but she has a mediocre grasp on technology and just searched the internet, I'm sure you can find a decent place without too much hassle.
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>>5455967
I'm just thinking out loud about someone saying that the existence of suffering necessitates a god
>>5455976
Right, I don't know why someone brought up immortality
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>>5456035
Pseudo-intellectual? Come on.
Bexe is a certified loser and myna is a self professed autist. There's nothing intellectual, pseudo or otherwise about any of them.
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>>5456011
Not really. Either way I don't think there's many trans girls who could wear a dress like that.
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>>5456035
They're both initially bad, but bexe gets autistic retarded mad which makes it worse.
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>>5456044
Thank you very much.
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>>5456027
someone is mad

>>5456031
>>5456025
I thought the outfit was cute. You know there is more than hoodies and tight jeans right?
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>>5456050
Sick burn.
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>>5456041
The kind of things it says about people in fits of jealousy are inhuman, which is why I dehumanize it.
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>>5456057
you're annoying as fuck
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>>5456041
Just don't reply, it's just people embittered by the world who get a small joy from being paid attention to.
>>5456053
Sorry I wasn't more help.
>>5456057
Oh definitely, I just have different tastes in dresses.
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>>5456057
We know Kayla, but it doesn't have to look like mom's carpet to be a viable alternative.
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>>5456011
Your crack dealer is gonna love it.
>>5456014
I just got things to do, I lurk mostly and the few times I've stayed beyond a few posts everyone gets their panties in a bunch so me not posting isn't that much of a tragedy anyways.
>>5456021
Elanna is wonderful but I really just browse cause the thread is enjoyable. Besides it's the fucking internet, unless you happen to live near each other things arent gonna happen. Elanna is gonna end up with some canadian lumberjack dude that's 6'5 tall and has a 9 inch cock and a burly beard.
>>5456023
Heyo, and that's Sturmbannführer by the way.
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>>5456057
i'm just saying it looks like some sort of jamaican style that most white girls can't pull off, it's cute but maybe for skinny black girls
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>>5456065
>just people embittered by the world who get a small joy from being paid attention to.
Spot on description of Kayla.
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>>5456062
And you aren't? Posting peoples pics, causing a ruckus, pinning everyone against each other? You are the shit head in this situation rawr, or is it Michelle?
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>>5456048
Maybe because immortality indicates the opposing viewpoint of mortality? You' don't seem too bright.
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>>5456067
>Elanna is gonna end up with
>not me
;_;
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>>5456067
So all you still need to do then is move to Canada and grow a beard and you fit the bill!
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>>5456071
My thoughts exactly
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>>5456067
:3
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>>5456074
[incoherent babbling intensifies]
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>>5456082
I guess in Kayla's mind infamy is better than anonymity.
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>>5456074
They're right, you are annoying. You beg for attention like a crying child stuck in a cradle. Grow up.
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Night /mtfg/
Have a nice day
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>>5456091
Nuh night, hope you get a restful sleep.
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>>5456091
g'n kuppers
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>>5456080
Also loose weight.
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>tfw I was worried about how much hair my comb was pulling and found that changing hair conditioners reduced the amount pulled went down to almost nothing
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>>5456074
Quiet Kyler. People better than your sorry ass are talking.
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>>5456091
gn ! sleep well :3
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First reply gets to pick my permanent trip name.
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>>5456107
butte
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>>5456107
Dogshit
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>>5456107
5UP3R_1337_DUD3
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>>5456089
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>>5456111
:o
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>>5456107
xxx_darkshadow_xxx
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>>5456122
welcome to the crew butte-chan
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>>5456127
I-it feels different, as if I must now be on my best behavior.
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>>5456091
>Implying 5am is still night
Good morning qt.
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>>5456127
Dogshit was better.
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>>5456130
https://youtu.be/CccnAvfLPvE
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>>5456120
spot on
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>>5456130
just be urself
>>5456136
butte is cuter
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>>5456130
hi butte
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http://strawpoll.me/6385656
Genuinely curious.
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>>5455012
arigatou anon-san!

I will do my best to become the girl of my dreams!
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>>5456076
I still don't see what that has to do with suffering being proof of a god
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Why are people online so mean?
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>>5456130
Post butt noob!
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>>5456148
>http://strawpoll.me/6385656
genderbending queer vs passing trans woman
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>>5456148
isnt that exactly the same?
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>>5456155
I have the antibutte though. It would scare ;-;

>>5456145
Hi Remy
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>>5456157
Being a gender bending queer is a lot of fun. Feels safer having woman to fall back on than man.
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Honest question: is 4chan actually the best place for rapid fire discussion with randoms? It seems like everywhere else is focused on something other than discussion or is too underpopulated to have a chat like this, or they have some stupid up vote system that hinders honest discussion. Because I like it here, but I'm open to alternatives.
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>>5456148
>pick one
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>>5456154
Because it's the internet, there's a physical separation and a reduced risk of meaningful reprisals
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>>5456163
>I have the antibutte though. It would scare ;-;
Why the name then?
I bet you have a cute butte in reality.
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Anyone else want nipple bars and a navel piercing? Anyone have them? How painful?
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>tfw you get a bit delusional when looking in the mirror
good feels for a while
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>>5456161
>>5456168
This desu.
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>>5456167
There is no discussion here you silly anon. It's just strangers slinging feces at each other.
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>see cute girl
>get insanely jealous
>then depressed
will this ever go away?
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>>5456174
It serves as a monument of irony obviously. Idk I might. I am only 5 months on the whoremoans though.
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>>5456175
Piercings like that on a woman are hot af. According to exs none of them have ever been painful apart from the initial discomfort. One ex even had her clit hood pierced and was back in the saddle within a week
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how come I still get delusional when I know I look like a manly man?
Sometimes I think I look feminine and it's weird because I know its not true.
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>>5456187
No. At least, it hasn't for me.
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>>5456175
Why do you like skank fashion Kayla?
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>>5456187
see
>>5456197

;~;
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>>5456195
You're probably mixing up reality with dysphoria with your "truth".
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>>5456161
I interpret it as a question of presentation, would you choose a presentation more feminine than your personality for the sake of passing.
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>>5456199
me on the left tbhon
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>>5456199
let him be a whore
he craves attention, this is therapeutic
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>>5456201
what does that even mean?
usually I look super masculine but very rarely I look feminine when I look myself in the mirror and it feels good ;-;
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>>5456202
i thought being yourself here was a feel good statement for not passing yet still being happy
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>>5456199
Kaylo is a fetishist and does stuff it thinks makes it more of a girl since it's not feminine on its own.
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>>5456175
Some people think they're slutty but I think they're really qt. If I were to do a full transition I'd want a navel barbell as well as a nose stud. I'd like nipple barbells too, but unfortunately my nipples are inverted and I don't think HRT would change that.
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>>5456202
I am really femme. I like girly stuff a lot.
So Idrk how to answer that question tbqphwybbygirl
but I think the answer should always be yes for transpeople. Gender/expression is probably the most integral part of identity
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>>5456210
I mean you're probably not super masculine. Like all people you're going to have a mix of features, but dysphoria is going to cause you to only notice and fixate on the worst.
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>>5456175
>>5456213
Fun fact: Nipple piercings were considered a symbol of masculinity in ancient Rome, and many legionaries would get them.
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>>5456216
can't you just "pull" out the nipple and then it couldn't invert back after the piercing is there
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>>5456223
heels were a manly thing as well back in the day iirc
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>>5456222
all of my features are 100% masculine though and my chin/jaw is the worst, no idea how I can delude myself into thinking im feminine sometimes.
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>>5456225
Nice man body. Excuse me while I go vomit.
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>>5456203
I thought you were tall Rumy.
You could do a lot better if you go the slutty route.
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>>5456225
>because being a skank is better than being a manly man

you are damaged
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>>5456223
And now they're considered identifiers for poor uneducated sluts. But that's what kaylo wants to be since it probably believes that'll make it more of a female.
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>>5456225
You could play Tetris with that square.
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>>5456228
That's because having a heeled boot makes it much easier to use stirrups on a horse. They only fell out of fashion for men once horses started to get replaced by cars. That's why cowboy boots have heels.
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is it true that kayla is super sexist?
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>>5456241
Of course it is, go read the archive. Creatures like kaylo are what make radical feminists hate trans people.
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I'm happy and slightly confused by the feeling.
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>5'10"
Before Christmas
> 75.0 kg (165 lbs)
After Christmas
> 78.6 kg (173lbs)

Fuck my life.
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>>5456236
What Kaylo wants Kaylo gets.

>>5456241
No, not really. Kayla is just super retarded.
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>>5456241
Of course it's true. Have you ever read his posts, they ooze misogyny.
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>>5456203
Your friend on the right is cuter, could you put in a good word for me?
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>>5456249
this sounds super positive for some reason anon, was that your intention?
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>>5456250
Give it time. It will go away.
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>>5456224
Can confirm, hos the nipple sits naturally determines the method of piercing in some ways. Some go direct through the nipple, some are more behind the nipple

>>5456225
Yup, should suit you fine
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>>5456224
I have trouble just getting them to come out in the first place. I'm not sure if I'd be able to get them to stay out in a piercing parlor.

What effects does HRT have on inverted nipples anyway?
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>tfw no idea when you're being delusional or not
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>>5456211
I always thought of it more as picking a presentation that fit you.

>>5456219
Yeah, in your case the two would be one in the same. I have a more andro presentation though and I feel it fits my personality best, so the question is a bit more complicated. I do suppose I femme up my presentation on days where I'm feeling crap about my appearance though, so I guess passing carries more weight than I give it credit.
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>>5456261
Flick your nipple and wait 10s. It should stick out.
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>>5456232
i am tall and i am a slut desu

>>5456254
sure thing hombre
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>>5456268
That's not strictly for passing though. My cis sister used to be a jeans and t-shirt girl and when she was having a bad day she'd dress up a bit more. I think it's just a confidence thing.
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>>5456278
Or ice cubes.
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>>5456264
If you're thinking in extremes like "super masculine" or "never ever passing" you're probably being delusional.
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>>5456225
10/10
would cum on that tummy
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>>5456261
They use grips to pull them outwards anyway
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>tfw kayla has a nicer body than me
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>>5456282
Really? I thought sluts in general have higher alcohol tolerance. Must be different where your from.
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>>5456256
Yes. Exposing kaylo for what it is is a very positive thing for me. It makes me feel happy.

I might convert to radical feminism once I'm stealth and do what I can to make its life more miserable.
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>>5456302
Where did you get that from?
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>>5456304
being a lightweight means its easier for me to get drunk and whore myself out desu
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>be super manly
>boobs
>long hair
>man voice
>tfw you don't even bother trying to cover up your boobs when opening the door to strangers

I am so disgusting.
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I wonder which trips are mods/janitors.

Probably Kayla, maybe elanna?
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>>5456310
Oh well that makes sense.
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>>5456285
but two people have told me my face sucks ;_;
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>>5456314
I don't think Kayla can post here without her mothers supervision.
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>>5456313
If I do start transitioning I honestly don't know what I'd do about my voice. I don't like my man voice but I hate the horrible fake girl voice even more. I'd prefer to just never speak until I get vocal surgery, and in situations where I do need to speak I'd probably just use my man voice so that I don't have to waste months training my voice just for it so sound like shit anyway.
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>>5456310
If I do ever meet you it we're definitely only smoking, NOT drinking
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>>5456322
I told kaylo to kill itself once and my post got deleted in seconds.
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>>5456328
You can you know practice and end up with an alright voice, don't become a gross hon like me.
Voice is like the easiest part of transitioning too probably.
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>>5456328
iktf my best attempt at a girl voice atm is as stereotypical gay mans voice

>>5456331
wew lass
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>>5456283
Yeah, it's definitely for confidence, and I know a number of people who do the same. Feeling crap about my appearance tends to carry overtones of wondering about passability though, so it guides presentation choices. If I'm wearing makeup it's probably a bad day ;_;

>>5456328
>vocal surgery
Doesn't work without training
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>>5456268
being yourself and picking your presentation are essentially saying the same thing, the dependent variable is passability.
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>>5456319
were you sucking their dicks tho
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>>5456337
So are her's when she does the same.
Have faith in janny-kun, he does it for free.

>>5456341
Pls post voice.
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Aight, imma try and get some sleep now, night ladies.
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>>5456350
not a fucking chance
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>>5456339
As I understood it, even with practice your voice is going to be shit unless it's naturally higher pitched?

>>5456343
Oh, alright then.

It's not really that I hate the fake girl voice so much as I don't want to be associated with stereotypical drag queens or hons or whatnot.
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>>5456355
Oh come on Rumpy. We could all use a good laugh. You could do an accent.
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>>5456341
>lass
Lol no, it's THAT britanon, just making a daft joke
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>>5456360
i mean if you wanna hear my horrid boy voice sure
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>>5456368
Of course I do, I wouldn't ask otherwise.
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>>5456357
No, you just have to be dedicated to practice. Drag queens and hons don't practice their voice as hard as younger ones do/should.

>>5456343
I guess it's a combination thing, yeah. Confidence begets passability.
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>>5456355
Bretty sure mine is worse. I sound like an autistic grill that joined a Snowing cover band.
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>tfw getting gud with the deagle in cs:go
i'm glad i'm finally mastering my favorite firearm
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>>5456346
no
>you need surgery
>you're a cute boy
>>5456357
Not really?
There's many transgirls who got passable voices on their own but I heard if you practice the wrong way you can fuck your voice up.
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>>5456345
It's true. I think the question was more one of if people use passability as both a variable and a dependent factor, or just a dependent factor.

>>5456357
It takes a large amount of practice to get a good girl voice, but people who practice generally don't sound like a stereotype. Voice surgery so far as I know is more of a last resort if you can't train your pitch higher.
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0XOPFxgYwWA have fun

>>5456383
http://webmshare.com/GyaYw
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been sick for a week but here is my voice
https://clyp.it/2nutllmx
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>>5456395
Dang you have a cute grill voice!!
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>>5456383
what rank are you?
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>>5456395
Stereotypical tranny.
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>>5456383
Deagle brand Deagles are great senpai.
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>>5456376
Post voice

>>5456377
Post voice

>>5456383
Post voice

>>5456389
Post voice

>>5456395
Nobody asked you

>>5456406
Post voice
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>you will never be cis and just be a cute boy

I would've been a pretty cool gay guy but instead i'm a broken gross degenerate with too much dysphoria to live
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>>5456389
in that question though, i think the ability to be content was dependent, where most people would think passing is too. which i thought was a bit weird.
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kayla is so weird lol
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>>5456395
Sounds feminine to me but I don't hear many people with your accent
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>>5456391
Oh that was fun.
You sound like Stephen Graham in Snatch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oK_trZhVdk
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>>5456414
lol
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>>5456414
savage
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>>5456328
>iktf
I hate talking with my boy voice, I hate the sound of it. I hate it. I can't girl voice though, I can't do anything more higher pitch without breaking it all the time and needing to clear throat. I can't clear throat effeminately. The doctor I'm seeing gets back off holidays on the 25th and I asked for referrals to speech pathologists last time I saw her, so hopefully I get some then. Also I start HRT when she gets back so yay, kinda excited for that but still sucks my voice is shit.
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>>5456430
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0SwiCdy2quo
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>tfw more masculine than cis men after hrt
I think my hormones are broken.
Don't order from ihp ;_;
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>>5456444
That was super funny.
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>>5456454
Cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not but i'll take it as a compliment anon, shame i cant stand my voice
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>>5456414
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1pyOKCaBWWf
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>>5456424
Yeah, I think its a bit odd as well. If I had to adopt a more feminine presentation in order to pass, I think I would do so without hesitation. Passing and contentedness sort of go hand in hand imo.
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>>5456462
Now that's just hilarious, pretty cute voice too
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I wish I could be delusional all the time and look feminine ;_;
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>>5456462
You sound like a computerized voice.
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>>5456440
A speech specialist is definitely not a bad idea for anyone, but you have to know that just about everyone goes through that phase of not being able to raise pitch without cracking. Voice training is a bit of a catch 22. It won't get better unless you practice, but practicing involves hearing a not so great sounding voice for a while. I don't know that a speech therapist will have anything that'll let you avoid it completely.
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>>5456460
Oh no. I am not being sarcastic or mean. That was actually funny.
I know you are not really fond of your voice (among other things) but your voice is something that can be improved on. People with the best voices I heard were always those who were either classically trained or who have put in the time and effort needed.
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>>5456473
Me too. Ignorance is bliss, just like linkin park told me.
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>>5456491
How does one become delusional more often than a few times a month and for only an hour or so?
It feels really good when you look yourself in the mirror and think you could pass ;_;

>tfw wish all the hugboxing i've gotten was true
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>>5456482
Yeah, that is what I hate about it. I usually have a pretty high aptitude with picking up new skills. I can generally get a grasp on new things without even trying that hard. I try speech training from links in these threads for hours, several days a week and I see no improvement. It gets me down a bit. I'm actually not really good at commitment to anything and stuff. I'm not used to actually having to try. I probably come off as super selfish and narcissistic in this post.
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>>5456414
https://clyp.it/2lgr5fi2
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>>5456512
and now im sad
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>>5456512
I like you and how positive you try to be in responses, but there is a bit of envious resentment on for your voice. Not gonna lie.
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I have an eye doctor appointment today, she'll ask me what medications I'm on and I'll say spiro and estradiol. If she asks why I'm taking them is there a good stock reason I can give that won't out me?

>>5456506
I'm usually the same and voice was very hard for me. In February I think it'll be three years since I first tried voice work. Idk it just takes time, dedication is hard but using your guy voice forever is probably harder.
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>>5456518
Spiro can be used for acne, don't know of any good answer for estrogen.
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off to work
later /mtfg/
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>>5456523
That's a good one, yeah.

If I can't think of anything for estrogen I might say hormone disorder and leave it at that. Saying "I'm transgender" is just too hard.
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>>5456530
Then she gives you that stare, and your entire world collapses in the fraction of a second
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>>5456512
https://clyp.it/ernic1qt
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>>5456512
https://clyp.it/3f054f0v
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>>5456535
Doctors tend to have that effect on me anyway.
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>>5456537
nice voice
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>>5456539
I don't understand you at all. Move out of your mom's house already so you'll be less of an asshole.
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>>5456547
Thanks. It's where I've settled after years of not paying attention to it after initial training.
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>>5456539
You're a huge cunt, Kayla
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>>5456552
how am I an asshole?
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>>5456565
There's more to life than passing and srs. Transition isn't supposed to solve all your problems, and you're invalidating elanna's feelings just because you're jealous of her.
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>>5456565
There's more to life than just what's between your legs
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>>5456513
Why ;_;

>>5456517
I'm sorry ;_;

>>5456537
https://clyp.it/wxnp1ms4
:3

>>5456539
https://clyp.it/n04fwab2
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>>5456575
>mfw
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>>5456575
OMG that's fucking brilliant, almost literaly pissed myself
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>>5456575
...ew
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>>5456580
You shouldn't be sorry, It's a flaw on my part, not yours.
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>>5456575
Totally not a fetishist.
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>>5456580
https://clyp.it/bdc2nd03
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>>5456580
https://clyp.it/3klhnlog
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>>5456575
delete this
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>>5456575
No need to project Kyler.
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>>5456608
holy shit that has to be the most naive thing i've ever heard in my entire life
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>>5456580
>https://clyp.it/wxnp1ms4

https://clyp.it/xg220if4
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>>5456608
You know cis people get depressed too? And dysphoria doesn't go away just because you pass naked.
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>>5456619
>dysphoria doesn't go away just because you pass naked
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>>5456608
There is no finish line
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>>5456608
I can't wait until you get and regret srs.
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>>5456616
that's not your voice. i thought you were nice but you stole Elf away from Kira. poison ivy.

#justiceforumaru
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Sup f a m
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>>5456633
>online relationships
>mfw
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>>5456633
>new drama: once more with feeling
Yes, please keep chasing the sane trips away. I'm sure when it's down to Kayla, Lily and Booger and Rawr whenever they get bored of gaygen you'll be happy
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>>5456633
https://clyp.it/my5o5tm1
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>>5456624
Yes there is.

>>5456627
I never will be able to afford it.

>>5456619
I am just saying from my own perspective that if someone passes and is post op, they are essentially cis and their problems are nill compared to a person like me who can't ever pass or afford the surgery. Regardless of all other life issues in a post ops life, nothing will be harder than being a trans like me who will never be seen as a female.
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>>5456603
It's not a flaw ;_;
It's just a time thing. I transitioned 5 years ago, this is what my voice eventually settled into.

>>5456608
SRS doesn't magically make you cis. I still do eventually have to tell everyone that I date that I'm trans, I still do have to worry about being outed, and I still do have bouts of dysphoria.

>>5456616
Cider is delicious ;~;

>>5456606
The only thing better than sharing cider is sharing more cider. :D

>>5456621
Passing naked for others isn't the same thing as passing naked for yourself. It's complicated.
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>>5456580
Because that is what i would imagine my girlvoice to be, minus the accent obviously. out of everything its my face and voice that get me down the most :_:
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>>5456664
>I still do eventually have to tell everyone that I date that I'm trans

Why though?
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>>5456661
teach me pls
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>>5456654
sane? she STOLE someone from a happy relationship. you think she got the name poison ivy for nothing?

>>5456661
i hope snizlefoot raped you
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>>5456663
If most of us can pass, then so can you
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>>5456663
It's really cute when you talk as if you knew how it is to live as a woman, trans or not. I wish you actually transitioned, rather than just popping pills. Maybe then you would have enough of a firsthand experience to figure out how many things you got wrong.

>>5456664
I think cider in the US is juice.
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>>5456664
Well, open invitation. It's above freezing, dry, and the farm is between my place and the airport.
I'm not sure what more you could ask for?
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>>5456675
>you think she got the name poison ivy for nothing?
I'm not sure being one of the better Batman villains is that much of an insult
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>>5456664
>I still do eventually have to tell everyone that I date that I'm trans
So you pass so well no one questions your gender, how is this a problem? It would be my dream to have no one question my womanhood.

>I still do have to worry about being outed
So? Again, you pass so well you fool cis people you should be amazed at that axhivement and realize millions of other mtfs are dying to have you you take for granted.

>and I still do have bouts of dysphoria
boo hoo, its not as bad as having a cock and balls, or waking up with a fill beard, or being called man every day like I have to deal with
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>>5456664
>Cider is delicious ;~;
Cider is delicious, it's my favourite drink.
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>>5456689
As tempting as it would be to never disclose again, I don't have a death wish or suicidal ideations, and I prefer my adventures to not end that way when there is so much more fun shit to do.
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>>5456689
you're ascribing post op attributes as if your so called opinion means shit to anyone. plus elanna is nice, fuck off.
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Here comes the shitstorm
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I'm 5'8" which I feel is girlish enough for me to not worry about (I'm only an inch taller than my sister), but even at 18 I still get occasional growing pains in my legs. I'm worried I may get even up to two inches taller which would make transitioning obviously more difficult. If I were to start HRT would it stop me from growing further? I know it won't reduce my current height, I just want to prevent future growth.
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>>5456678
>Most of us
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Heya mtfg! What's up? ^-^
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>>5456699
I'm not being mean, and I am not speaking for anyone else but myself. I just see passing peoples problems as laughable in comparison to my own soul crushing real problems. I mean the fact that someone passes means they don't look trans and don't look masculine. That would be my greatest dream to never be seen as a man ever again. Passers complaining reminds me of a wealthy person complaining they don't know which of their private jets to take. The opportunities for a passing trans girl are always higher that the opportunity for a ugly non passer like myself. This is fact.
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Um, what was
>>5456575
everyone replied with bad images
I'm curious now.
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>>5456671
If they date me for long enough, they'll find out one way or another, and they wouldn't be happy if I didn't tell them. Maybe they'll notice my scars, maybe we'll run across an old acquaintance while out and about, maybe an old photo of me will crop up. I don't have periods, and I can't get pregnant, this will be a problem. Barring all that, and if the relationship ends up getting to the point where we're planning a wedding, how do I explain the lack of photos of me as a child?
It's impossible to keep it completely hidden from a partner, they have to know eventually.

>>5456616
>>5456682
Maybe, just to clarify I'm talking about dry/hard cider.

>>5456685
Airfare and an apartment would probably be up there. I'm not sure I'd want to go home if I ended up all the way out there ;~;

>>5456669
Oh, I'm sorry ;_;
Practice makes perfect, I'm sure you can get a voice that fits you in time. It took a lot of time to get a voice that I was at least sort of happy with.
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>>5456706
Probably. Estrogen should halt future growth spurts, I think.
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>>5456714
Just gotta believe, jade
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>>5456719
It was Kayler trying to ERP. Nothing out of the ordinary he probably pulls that shit constantly on /b and /soc.
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>>5456718
it doesn't matter what you keep saying, elanna has a right to say what's on her mind as much as you unfortunately do. stop acting like a fucking idiot, no wonder people hate you here.
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>>5456706
Just spiro should stop that i believe
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>>5456719
She uploaded a voice clip of herself roleplaying as a vagina. Like, the actual vagina itself, not a woman with a vagina.
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>>5456726
Well I do have two open rooms I could rent out.
Bam! One more problem solved :P
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>>5456737
Kayla is s stupid and entitled she's not even worth replying to.
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>>5456706
AAs won't halt growth, Estrogen should, however, put you through puberty enough to end these growing pains, I think.

I'm honestly not 100% sure, because people with delayed puberty can get very tall.
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>>5456735
I want the Kayla bullying to end.
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>>5456737
i never said anyone didn't have the right to speak their mind, I just said passers don't have a shitty life like non passers
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>>5456726
ahh its fine m8 just going through a rough patch, i'll bounce back _^
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>>5456745
LMAO weren't you her biggest defender?
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>>5456745
I'm stupid? You're the one going outside in nail polish with a pikachu hat on in public before hrt has even kicked in for you.
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>>5456719
Pic related

>>5456689
I really don't want to start into this kayla.
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>>5456751
you're complaining about her being better than you and telling us how she doesn't have a right to do so because of how shitty you are. you're legit retarded.

>>5456745
you might be right. thanks.
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>>5456760
Pikachu hat has nothing to do with that
Korra is just a disgusting weeb
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>>5456765
>I really don't want to start into this
Neither do I but your "problems" seem hilarious in comparison to mine. You were whining about issues with a wedding when I am so ugly I can't even get a date, let alone ever get married. Jesus, you are just a normie girl now whining about non issues.
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>>5456772
>you're complaining about her being better than you and telling us how she doesn't have a right to do so because of how shitty you are. you're legit retarded.
Are you seriously autistic? Passers are basically cis girls, if you are not bloodthirsty jealous of cis girls or passers then you have an issue.
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I think I'm just going to come back later when things have settled down. Later mtfg
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>>5456760
so how much hrt time before one can be pikachu?
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>>5456765
um that was pretty lewd but if that was genuine voice I jelly.
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>>5456756
I was, until I realized how retarded and delusional she is.

>>5456760
Yes. Extremely. You're right. You're too much of a social retard to even leave your room and get a basic part time job but somehow feel qualified to give your spoiled cunt opinion. Honestly, you deserve whatever bad shit happens to you. You bring it on yourself.

>>5456772
Its easier to jsut literally not reply to her posts :p
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>>5456674
https://clyp.it/xboj0bkq

In all honesty it took me two weeks to nail this with no training.
idk how or why but I always sounded pretty gay which suits me

>>5456726
https://clyp.it/xlpic224

>>5456675
https://clyp.it/30r21hdr
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>>5456784
yeah go out trying on brides maid dresses with your sister like you did last week, most of us will never get that opportunity.
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>>5456750
You do realize the Kayler shitshow has been going on for six years now and is showing no sign of stopping?
The retard is not being bullied. It's a normal reaction to someone this idiotic.
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>>5456778
You have to understand Kayla, your problems are hilarious to everyone else because we overcame them. You don't have unique struggles as a trans person, only an extreme lack of perspective.
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>>5456792
lmao. well you sound amazing. i sound like a fag rn and not in a good way
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>>5456789
>someone saved my pic
:')

>>5456791
Tbqh, you're a bit too old to be wearing that pikachu hat. It's pretty much on the same level as adults who wear mlp stuff.
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>>5456792
Can you try to describe what you did?
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>>5456784
byebye
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>>5456783
i don't think you know what autistic even means, other than parroting other people on 4chan who hurls it baselessly. you must be new to being trans if you think being jealous gets you anywhere. no wonder you can't get a date with your shitty outlook on life, people like you are better left alone and untouched with 4chan as your only means of communication to the outer world.
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>>5456798
>overcame
one can't simply over come being masculine
passers pass and hons like me never will
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>>5456792
In defense of my alcohol and elanna's tastes, the stuff in question is 14% craft brewed cider.
http://seacider.ca/product/wassail-winter-seasonal/
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>>5456806
Why not hit up Susans then, where they're all as bad off as you
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>>5456805
You think I want 4chan to be my only communication with other humans? I have no other option because I am so monstrously ugly that I will not subject the public to the sight of my wretched body.
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>>5456806
We get it, you're ugly as fuck. Do you have to be annoying as fuck too?
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>>5456801
I actually get complimented on it all the time : p
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>>5456815
Because I went there the other day and posted pics and the all hugboxed me and I told them they were full of shit and lying about me not being gross and eventually I got banned for using curse words.
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>>5456818
i really don't care about your problems. you're a giant retard.
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>>5456784
don't leave, it's just kayla and her shut in/warped view on life
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>>5456827
Wow there must be a lot of losers who interact with you
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>>5456828
Reddit then. I'm thinking of anywhere that isn't here. There's no implied "non-passers only" sign on these threads
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I just realized I had only ever listened to one song on Artpop since I got the album last year.

>>5456792
They do make cider that vaguely approaches white wine. The main selling point is that it's cheaper than imported stuff here, but so is dry mead which gets even closer.
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>>5456833
>There's no implied "non-passers only" sign on these threads
There should be. Passer should fuck off to facebook or wherever pretty people go online
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>>5456837
Good thing you don't make the rules.
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wait a sec
from what I have seen, kaylas body and voice pass so why again is she acting like she is the worst off here? im not getting it, she looks like a unattractive cis girl but she passes
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>>5456831
Surprisingly enough its been a wide range of people to compliment on it. From as young as like 3 to an elderly couple that was at least 70+
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>>5456841
Nothing about kayla passes as a human being, let alone a female.
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>>5456841
Because she's in a shitty living situation punctuated by her own weird ideas of what being trans in SoCal is. It's the most polite way I can put it.

Also she expects to pass to people who knew her as a boy.
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>>5456847
I can children complimenting it but not adults unless they're into stupid shit like that.
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>>5456803
https://clyp.it/dmrqdvw5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm0hmBH8haI

>>5456834
I've never tried a mead that I didn't like and I've never had a cider that was all that tasty. It just tastes so sweet that I don't recommend it unless it's to sniz because he can't handle anything that tastes like alcohol
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>>5456863
fuck off poison ivy
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>>5456855
you forgot transitioning after 25
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>>5456863
Thank you!
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>>5456873
The age meme has gotten stale
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>>5456873
My threshold for older transitioner is 30.

Also I said I was trying to stay polite.

>>5456863
I mean it's a fairly mediocre cider (and definitely not something sniz would drink, too obviously alcohol)
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>>5456887
>thinking it's a meme
your reality is my joke pal
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>>5456841
so what have you seen?

some poorly lit, highly composed/cropped pic? tell me you have a better idea of what passing is beyond this?
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>>5456893
It is a poor meme because there are older transitioners out there who pass just fine
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>>5456899
i don't want to know what your definition of pass just fine is if that's what you believe. i bet your hon ass thinks you pass just fine too
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>>5456911
Pass just fine as in assumed cis by most people they meet. There are people who transition at 40 who have that even if it's not common.
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>>5456911
Sigh
I get ma'amed all the time so I would say I pass.

Sorry that passing to you means that they must be model tier
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>>5456863
how does this song even help?
that singer has a total guy voice
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>>5456916
as an ugly masculine cis woman
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>>5456926
>chaser opinions
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>>5456920
getting ma'am could also mean you're surrounded by left winging hugboxers
>model tier
you're making a mockery of reasonable standards by elevating it to absurdity, i wonder why (because you must be ugly)
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sleeping 24 hours really fucks you up wow
when i woke up i had a note on my mac that said "i just want a bf with an average dick" followed by the word hotdog.

how has your last 24 hours been? i'm prob gonna take some more nyquil and head back to bed after i finish this ramen and ramune drink.
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>>5456934
yes only a chaser would think a woman who transitioned after 40 are masculine and ugly. you seem too defensive and trigger happy to insult anyone who's willing to state the objective truth. i wonder why (because you're a hon)
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>>5456937
I live in the Bible Belt...

>you're making a mockery of reasonable standards by elevating it to absurdity

You do understand that the majority of cis women aren't model tier.
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>>5456950
I was expecting a better rebuttal, not this old copy pasta
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>>5456955
>that the majority of cis women aren't model tier
Come to Sweden or scandinavia in general, most girls are attractive, which is why being ugly here is so much worse.
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>>5456937
>surrounded by left wing hugboxers
You're an idiot.

>>5456948
>how has your last 24 hours been
It's been drenched in wine, and it's seen the first snows of winter.
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>>5456955
people in the bible belt would never expect an unsuspecting freak like you, that's why they give you the benefit of the doubt. i never said anything about models, you did?

>sees an attractive cis girl
>"i don't have to be a model!"
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>>5456968
In YOUR EYES, not everyone else
Major difference there dude
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>>5454842
>>5454856
>tfw 5 foot 8
>tfw 38 inch underbust and my chest gets even wider further up than that
should I even bother trying?
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>>5456960
>implying "chaser opinions" was high quality
do you get disappointed when your shit doesn't turn into gold? fucking moron
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>>5456980
>In YOUR EYES
We legit have the most beautiful women, deal with it.
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>>5456977
>You're an idiot
i smell the distinct scent of a displeased hon
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>>5456978

>people don't expect trannies in the south
Then why did I witness an older trans woman being thrown out of the bathroom and being ridiculed for not passing?

Please go back to pol, gay gen, les gen or some othere place.
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>>5456998
I smell a projecting anon
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>>5456989
>>5456998
Please put your trip back on kayla
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>>5457001
that's exactly my point. age is a major contributing factor. you might pass slightly better than an old man in a wig, but it's not saying much if you're hideous enough to be sitting on here repeating to yourself how you don't have to be model tier
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Name one trip that is nice

Protip, you can't.
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>>5457025
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>>5457025
hiro is nice
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>>5457004
projecting what? being displeased at the sight of an old hon being mad? i enjoy it because it's funny
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>>5457021
You're such a fucking moron.
Age has nothing to do with it.

This woman started in her 40s and passes well.
Using age as a factor is retarded
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>>5457041
I've been on the tinychat room and this is what Eleri actually looks like. lmao
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>>5456926
as long as you are seen as female, and NOT seen/believed to be a male trying to impersonate/look like a woman, you pass

beauty and ugliness is a different subject

young or old, pretty or ugly,
if you are seen as male, you don't pass
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>>5456997
Nigga what?
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>>5457041
Whatever fantasy helps you sleep better at night.
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>>5457025
I try to be nice.
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>>5457048
>Age has nothing to do with it
age has a lot to do with it regardless of your position. don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions
>This woman
you're using literally the rarest exemplary case and thinking that applies to everyone ever. now look who is the actual retard
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>>5457058
Youa re not the most attractive person tho.
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>>5457058
okay 40 year old hon
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>>5457050
Teeth aren't crooked enough and she doesn't look like a centenarian.
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>>5457065
I make children cry when I walk by

>>5457069
>making me younger than I am
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>tfw older transitioners who don't pass seem happier than the people in this general

how come yall don't care about anything other than passing idgi. at least the women who transitioned after 40 actually have lives and found fulfilment outside of that.
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>>5457071
you're trying to make light of the situation, but you actually look that ugly. we're laughing at you, not with you
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>>5457076
you're 40, jenna and oddish told me
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>>5457077
I care about lots more than passing but that's usually why I'm unhappy
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>>5457062
Here's another example
They aren't rare cases

>>5457077
Because to people here, passing is all that matters which it shouldn't be.
It should be just a small part of your life
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>>5457084
>anon still thinks I build my self-worth on 4chins
It's really cute but sorry.

I'm an ugly non-passer who gets hugboxed by macho middle eastern men who don't date trannies. Perfectly sensible.
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>>5457077
BOOM!!!
Nailed it Edie
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>>5457090
Trying to stir drama won't make me think you are not spouting it out of your ass, anon.
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um h-h-hi mtfg..
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>>5457106
hi, how.ru?
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>>5457106
Hi abby
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>>5457106
hi abby
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>>5457106
h-hi
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>>5457062
this gal has been on lgbt, and believe it or not most were decent to her

don't recall her age

>>5457077
most seem more occupied with being beautiful then passing

but who doesn't want to be beautiful?
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>>5457097
>macho middle eastern men
Your life sounds like badly written gay porn.
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>>5457097
if people think you pass, they are hugboxing no matter how sarcastic you want to be
>inb4 another poorly thought out, manipulative and overly defensive remark
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>>5456924
did you ask? cause that's how I did it. Did you listen to the rest of the clyp?

>>5456879
you're welcome!

>>5456868
LOL literally the only one that has called me that is someone I like so that's cool.

>>5456889
I made him try a Surly beer and a white russian. It was too much for him sadly
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>>5457110
sleep tight hammers
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>>5457110
>>5457111
>>5457112
>>5457113
uh ah umm h-hello...?
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>>5457095

angie don't act like you're above it, you were the same way for the past 2-3 years till you got FFS lmfao

>>5457114

that woman was like mid-to-late 30s wasn't she? maybe early 40s i forget. also who cares about being beautiful. it doesn't do anything for you.
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>>5457095
>>5457114
>has a few more cases contrary to millions of failures
>"it's not rare at all"
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>>5457077
Because it's pretty difficult to find fulfilment in any area of life if people are physically revolted by you and the way you look marks you out visibly as someone a portion of the ordinary public, however small, want to see dead

Saying that passing isn't that important is like saying that money can't buy happiness, it's absolutely retarded. Sure, passing alone won't make most people happy and they should strive for other forms of success too, but passing facilitates success in other areas that is far harder and often impossible otherwise

>seem happier
'Seem' is the optimum word here, smiles can be faked with a lifetime of practise
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>>5457123
Yes I was but not anymore.
Things are different now
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>>5457077
People on 4chan in general aren't very happy desu.
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>>5457123
>who cares about being beautiful. it doesn't do anything for you.
>says someone who cakes on makeup
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>manly eyes
>huge caveman brow
>huge man chin
>broad jaw
>ugly man hair
>man hands
>man feet
>no hips
>16" shoulders
>5´10"
>old

HON LIFE
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>>5457123
>trip with the most infamously active personal life on the entire board
>widely regarded by guys on here and r9k as the hottest trip on 4chan
>"lol guiz who cares about looking nice it doesn't matter"
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>>5457121
Stop being such a cunt, posts like this are why nobody wants to talk to you.
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>>5457104
embarrassed of your age now 40 year old hon? no wonder you twitch and get triggered at the subject of passing
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why do my posts keep getting injected with 'desu' omg
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>>5457155
oh.. okay ..... i'll just leave now....
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>reminder that passing is not necessary to look nice and be accepted by others
>you can pass and look like a disgusting rat-haired greasy slob because of neglected hygiene, laziness etc.
>you can not pass and still be a cutie and wear cool things without being a creepy old hon
it's primarily about the attitude
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>>5457116
The difference is that in gay porn they don't run the other way because of the presence of cock.

>>5457162
>embarassed of your age
I have no idea what gave you the delusion I was anywhere near 40, but you've been pushing that nonsense for the past few months.

Do you just get triggered by the fact that someone here has been on hrt to the point you have to pretend I started at 30 rather than in my teens? That, dear, is envy.
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>>5457168
>you can not pass and still be a cutie
I've been called a cute boy.
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>>5457137

trust me as someone who has a lot of money and gets a lot of attention based on the way i look i can tell you that neither make you truly happy. you're right it facilitates it, but if you don't have any interest outside of it you won't ever be truly happy. which is my point. lots of people don't seem to have ventures outside of passing which is setting everyone up for failure.

>>5457139

weren't you just talking about how FFS doesn't fix hons like last week
you used to use those pics you posted earlier to show that point as well. i'm js don't put yourself above it

>>5457140

tru

>>5457141
>>5457150

i mean dating tons of guys and going out hasn't made me happy tho. not genuinely in the slightest. which is why i'm moving and trying to better my life and do things outside of that. i definitely have had fun but it's not the same as being fulfilled. plus beauty is pretty fleeting since you're never gonna be pretty or passing to everyone. you're always gonna have ppl who think you're hideous or a 'hon' etc
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>>5457165
>tfw no thick precum soaked penis to inject me with 'desu'
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>>5457168
I'd rather be the former than the latter.
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>>5457167
oh no... :c
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>>5457150
You know you made it when robots from 4chan find you attractive.
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>>5457095
>passing is all that matters
it's a vital part of being trans

no one wants to be clocked everytime they step outside

I sometimes wish there were a city or town where non passing could live happily and be away from public scrutiny.

>>5457123
>who cares about being beautiful. it doesn't do anything for you.
gf, you on a bad trip/drugs

>>5457126
it's true, most males do not pass as fem
so you have to be one of the lucky ones

but age has less to do with it

having feminine traits definitely helps (genetics)
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>>5457178
are you drunk?
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>>5457177
It's called post-op depression.
You don't have to be so naive about it
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>>5457177
well I'm not happy either, but not gonna lie tho having dates and getting 30 gifts and $500 for xmas is probs nicer than loneliness and nothing >.>;;
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>get hugboxed
>get honest opinion for once
>you need surgery

Boy on hrt master race.
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>>5457178
>tfw you're playing vidya and your bf sticks his thick precum soaked penis in your face
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>>5457184
you want to be my gf?
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>>5457173
who said anything about when you started? because you are a 40 year old hon (because you are, ask jenna or oddish) that means you must have started at 30 and not in your teens? you're triggered too hard to make a coherent case for yourself here. who's envying your fat ass here? literally no one you haggard hon
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>>5457077
>>5457123
>who cares about being beautiful
I didn't care until people started telling me I was beautiful or not beautiful, openly, to my face, for no goddamned reason.
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>tfw your stickings get a run

JUST >.<
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>>5457206
Eleri is 40? lmao I always thought she acted like a hypersensitive susanne's moderator.
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>tfw no austrip girlcock to playfully lick
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When I get sad I cheer myself up by thinking
>at least i'm not Korra.
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>>5457186
N-no ;~;
I have no excuse today.

>>5457203
the best feel ;~;
>tfw doing controller passing score runs and trying to cheat by distracting him with blowjobs
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>>5457219
Glad I could help m8!
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>>5457215
she really is. seeing her deny it is hilarious
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What's the most effective way to hide boobs when you're a manly man on hrt?

It looks a bit weird atm.
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>>5457206
>ask Jenna or Oddish
uh huh, I'm sure they told you my true age (tm) or that you've talked to them at all and that you're not just trying to hide behind it. I'm not even 30, dumbass.

Also congrats for aiming for the one thing I'm insecure about for once. Pity this is still 4chan, you're still an anon, and you have already been acting like too much of a bitter little shit for it to work.
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>>5457223
I would love to stab the life out of you
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>>5457215
>>5457226
so y'all gonna kill yourselves when you get old?
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>>5457185

tru i'm on nyquil bUT IT'S TRUE

>>5457198

lol k

>>5457199

kind of yes and kind of no? all it's done is made me be more of a recluse lmfao
like what else was money and a bunch of vidya gonna facilitate other than me not having to work and staying in my house more? i'd much rather not have that stuff and have a life tbqh

>>5457209

ya ppl irl suck ass. mtfg does it to everyone nonstop too. this place is horrible sigh
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>>5457177
>you're right it facilitates it, but if you don't have any interest outside of it you won't ever be truly happy. which is my point. lots of people don't seem to have ventures outside of passing which is setting everyone up for failure.

This is like the smartest thing I've seen in mtfg ever and I wish more people here got that. Transitioning's entire purpose is to help with dysphoria... everything else, including your happiness, is up to you to fix in other ways.
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>>5457231
you're 40 you fucking loser
>sounds triggered as fuck
>"too b4d it didn't work!"
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>>5457229
help ;_;
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>>5457234
in 22 years if i find myself posting on 4chan regularly like that fat ass hon i will defitely kill myself
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>>5457239
Whatever makes you happy.

You can even tell yourself I'm 400 for all I care. I only bothered arguing because I was drunk. The fact that you're caring that much sober makes you rather pitiable.
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>>5457240
Thick undershirts, layers, and going full-time rather than hiding them.

Compressing them is bad for growth don't do it.
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>>5457077
They had the experiences in life already before and somehow coped with all the stuff long enough to have a life, it must have been exhausting if trutrans really exists in the 58year olds that start transitioning, but like they managed to not kill themselves, had lives and now theyre just doing a new thing in their life.
which is becoming what they want.

for us its everything, we havent experienced much, most of the child hood was really blah and dark, and now that we are desperately trying to pass to have those moments and experiences in life without feeling like walking freak shows.


idk if i made any sense, but what you said is partly true.. most of us could be off much worse and should be happy that we didn't have to live those 40 more years as guys.
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>>5457236
idk but isn't that like, mostly just u??? like u don't have much else, but for someone that has a job or school, it's like wow that'd be nicer than nothing, right??

then u have neets, and I guess the ones stuck at home would appreciate it more, idk ur kinda in a unique situation like that .... but if u had stuff outside of that yeh I bet u would appreciate it tons more
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>>5457245
you are drinking away your sorrows for being an actual 40 year old fat ass hon
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>>5457236
They were fine.
I was just jaded
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>>5457204
Absolutely not.
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>>5457245
Drunk on a Monday afternoon? I'm sure you're not pitiable at all :^)
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>>5457253
It's half a bottle of leftover cider, not sorrows, tbqhon
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>>5457257
is that frenchie?
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>>5457248
I'll have to wear many shirts then, only jackets help atm ;-;

I wish I could go full-time but my face is a mess but not everyone can make it I guess, if it was possible I would do it as quickly as possible but having a hyper masculine body and face kind of makes it impossible.
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>>5457260
i didn't ask about the details of your personal life, being a 40 year old fat ass hon is all i care to know about you
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>>5457263
>dem hips, shoulders
that's a cis girl
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>>5457263
Absolutely not.

>>5457267
Great game.
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>>5457177
>if you don't have any interest outside of it you won't ever be truly happy
well yes I agree totally, but even if you have other interests, if you don't pass to a reasonable extent then you still can't be happy

i.e.

-If you don't pass and do not have other interests you will not be happy
-If you pass but do not have other interests then you will not be happy
-If you don't pass but DO have other interests then you will not be happy
-If you do pass AND do have other interests, then you will be happy

Yes?
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>>5457257
>>5457263
>>5457281
Reminds me of Chloe or whatever her name is, haven't seen that trip in quite some time actually. Must have been over a year ago I think...

HRT had some great effect on her, almost FTM standards of body changes.
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>>5457281
>>5457292
That's just some random girl having fun from /cgl.
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>>5457286
The first one is my favorite game :3
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>>5457296
girl on bottom is elf desu
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>>5457297
Yeah it was a great game.
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>>5457237

tru tru

>>5457251

also tru. but i mean it takes a lot of strength for them to have lived with it for so long for one, and then for them to have transitioned so late in life knowing the stigmas etc...idk. being trans is hard. it takes strength no matter what and idk i would just rather everyone talk about other interests besides passing sometimes. ik this place is mostly bout venting trans stuff and that's a big trans thing but the trolling vs ppl getting upset seems so not worth it sometimes

>>5457252

? ye i guess if i had tons of things outside of it i would appreciate it more but i'd also be happier without it because i'd actually have shit to be happy about besides money lmao

>>5457287

yes tru
i am working on the interests part now. it's just that hormones make everyone pass at some point even if you're not gorgeous. so why even worry about it?
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>>5457317
>it's just that hormones make everyone pass at some point

Kill yourself
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>>5457317
>hormones make everyone pass at some point even if you're not gorgeous
oh, my sweet summer child...
>>
>>5457317
>it's just that hormones make everyone pass at some point
lmao
>>
Android apps for voice practice while driving
go
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>>5457324
>>5457332
>>5457333

they do!!!! i've never seen anyone who didn't pass after like 3-4 years on hrt. they weren't always pretty but they passed lmao
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>>5457324
>>5457332
>>5457333
Hormones + Effort = Passing

Happy?
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>>5457324
>>5457332
>>5457333
so many bitter hons
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>>5457344
I can't pass after three years, I look more manly than ever actually.

>tfw hormones make manly features more visible
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>>5457344
>expecting anons to know anything about anything
You're wasting your time on morons, sadly
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>>5457356
>I look more manly than ever actually
I feel sorry for you if you actually believe that 3 years of AA and E could ever make someone more manly.
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>>5457324
>>5457332
>>5457333

>>5457123
>who cares about being beautiful. it doesn't do anything for you.

this post should have tipped everyone off that edie is not edie right now

>>5457347
sure, if you were blessed with enough fem qualities

but there are some manly folks who would disprove you easily
>>
>>5457340
Why not try something like this?
Just search for Vocal Coach on piratebay. 4chin won't let me post.
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>>5457356

are you shooting up testosterone instead? HRT literally redistributes fat so that your bone structure is less visible lmfao
even saying that i suppose it would be a lie to make a blanket statement about everything passing after years of HRT. but it's very like ..... maybe 5%? 10%? of women don't pass after 3-4 years. it's pretty unlikely. it's more rare not to pass than it is to pass especially if you do it at any point in your 20s or early 30s.

>>5457360

that's prob tru sigh
i'm bout to pass out cause of nyquil anyways

>>5457370

how dare u
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>>5457347
No, more like:
Hormones (25%) + Effort (25%) + Good genetics (50%) = Often passing
>>
Someone make a new thread so I can ask for hair advice/opinions
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>>5457366
Well I look like some gross manly andro thing at best and that's mostly because I have boobs.

I could never pass without surgery because my face is manly af.

>>5457381
I'm probably immune to hrt desu.
I started at 20.
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>>5457383
That's what people who are unwilling to do the effort tell themselves
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>>5457370
yeah you make a fair point
I can't wait for her to read these posts again tomorrow, someone make sure she's made aware of this shit
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>>5457317
yeh idk, having stuff going on doesn't mean it's all happy and nice either, trust me

but I freely admit even if my life is terrible sometimes it would be worse if I couldn't budget ... likewise it'd be better w/ gifts too lol

$500 could get u to paris girl, js

>>5457347
>>5457383
and money, and confidence, and bunches of other stuff idk why u need to turn it into math >.>;;
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>>5457375
is this a video tutorial aimed at trans related people?

>>5457383
5 mones
45 effort
50 genetics
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>>5457383
What about angles and make-up?
>>
>>5457388
Oh, fuck off, you know it's true in most cases even if you personally got lucky, effort doesn't change ribcage or facial structure
>>
>>5457402
how you going to face the 360degree public with your single best angle, kek
>>
make a new thread for fuck's sake
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>>5457403
>you know
No, I know no such thing
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>>5457387
Just go and stay gone fucks sake
>>
>>5457396
No those are singing lessons.
Vocal Coach.com - Voice Singing Lessons [Complete mp3]
They might help.

>>5457414
Like a ninja naturally.
>>
>tfw grinding pillow
>tfw thinking about things
>tfw worried about cleaning up after you explode
>tfw not a drop comes out
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>>5457383
>>5457347
>>5457395
what about FFS?
>>
>>5457420
B-but i'm bored and need a coffee break from vidya
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>>5457424
yeah it's the best feeling especially once it becomes common and you don't have to worry beforehand anymore and can just get really into it, I get drunk on horniness I go at it so long
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>>5457427
You're all women any way, why do you need the validation of people realizing it?
>>
>>5457424
>thinking about things
boys?
thinking about boys? and penises?
>>
>>5457439
>>5457439
>>5457439
>>5457439
>>5457439


ok i did the thing
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>>5457418
nah we're almost at 1000 posts, we've gotta reach that now, it'll be so satisfying
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>>5457442
>>5457442
>>5457442
new thread
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>>5457441
Welp, I forgot the old thread on mine anyway.
>>
>>5457436
so I don't get beaten up, killed, or even just scowled at and ridiculed for how I look to the point of mental collapse
>>
>>5457375
I'm looking for something to record and play back, not some type of coaching app
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