Long story short. My mom and dad divorced 3 years ago. I moved

That is a really awkward and uncomfortable situation, especially considering you apparently have some gender dysphoria yourself. I guess the best thing to do would be to talk with your dad some more?

>>5396213
But like I feel grossed out by him, seriously.

>>5396221
Talk over the phone?

>>5396224
even that seems wrong

there is only one thing you can do
you are going to have to fuck your dad

>>5396238
Yeah, this. Sorry kiddo, but them's the rules.

>>5396181
Holy shit! He didn't even warn you??? What an asshole.

>>5396249
Also, why do hons have to be that way? Is it an exhibitionist thing?

Did all the copypasta spill out of your pocket, OP?

>>5396238
This.

Otherwise you and your dad need to have a talk and a drink - preferably with some alcohol. Put a couple or so units in you two and the conversation will flow and all the feeling that need to be said will be said.

>>5396181
Also, is this person trans? My first thought was this was milf until I realised I was legbutt. Hons pass pretty well for 50 year old woman trying to be sexy.

>>5396249
Nope, just right out of the blue. The crazy thing is that he looks like a woman and sounded like one but its all so awful, like i never saw any of this coming, I thought I was the one with gender issues, not the both of us. Now I am feeling like maybe I will end up transitioning and I didn't want to.

>>5396260
I have been drinking non stop since yesterday

>>5396284
>Now I am feeling like maybe I will end up transitioning and I didn't want to.

You don't have to do something just because your parent did. That's silly. You should do whatever works for you.

>>5396319
But like I am super depressed most the time and now that my own father transitioned it makes me feel like I should, I would pass too because I am only 22.

Depending on your dad's financial status, he could help you to see a gender therapist. No pressure, just a "you understand, can you help me with this?"

>>5396324
Holy shit that's super akward (and wrong of your dad not to warn you before. It's really fucked up) and I can see how much more confusing your gender issues must appear now.. It's hard but I think you really have to face the issue and talk to him about it. Maybe skip the "you look like a hon" part, because if he kills himself that's gonna complicate things even more

>>5396345
But he would just think I was trying to copy him.

>>5396324
Unless you feel legitimately crippling dysphoria, don't transition.

Transitioning should not be seen as something to just do willy nilly to try and make yourself happier. It is a last resort for people who suffer from a legitimate neurological disorder that causes mental agony over their body and genitals.

Avoid your father until you get into a good place in life. I used transitioning as an escapism method as well when I was feeling down. That's mostly what it is, escapism.

I won't tell someone they can do what they please to their own bodies. But it's the reason behind transitioning that I take issue with, not transitioning itself. If you accept that you are simply trying to indulge in an extreme level of escapism to deal with your depression and still want to transition, then so be it. Just don't delude yourself into thinking it's you're only option to achieve a happy life.

>>5396359
I doubt that. He probably did it for the reason most people transition - crippling dysphoria. It'd be hard not to empathize with you.

>>5396181
I'm in a similar situation to you OP, only a bit reversed. I've been transitioning for the past three years, and last year my dad came out as having gender issues in the midst of a bunch of marital strife between him and my mom.

At first things were really uncomfortable, for both of us. I was never really close to my dad, and so I had a lot of resent about the shit he'd been doing, and I had all that disgust about hons and shit from years of being around here and 420chan. On the other side, my dad was dealing with living in the same house as someone who was basically doing what he hadn't been able to do when he was younger, and picked up on my disapproval, which made it harder for him to pursue stuff.

Things have been getting better, slowly, and with a fair bit of effort on both our parts. We still haven't gotten to the point of actually having any sort of indepth conversation about any of the transitioning stuff or what not, but, we're back to the point where we can talk to each other, and my dad's feeling confident enough to present as female around the house and occasionally outside. But it's still tricky and awkward and it's kind of a day-to-day kind of thing.

>>5396385
>It'd be hard not to empathize with you.
If /lgbt/ is any indications then a lot of mtfs have problems with the whole empathy thing

is being trans inheritable?

>>5396181
Is that a picture of your dad OP?

Because if it is you should definately fuck him.

>>5396381
fuck off gatekeeping hon

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"Son, I am your mother"

>>5396663
I'm incredibly against gatekeeping and think people should have easy access to whatever drugs they desire without question.

I believe people should have the right to do what they want with their own bodies.

That doesn't mean I'm going to advise people to shoot up heroin because they believe it will cure their depression.

>>5396221
Just tell hims you feel uncomfortable. Offer to text or talk on the phone. As you get reacquainted with him you can also share your own gender issues.

This might seem odd since he is likely a hon, and his views on what being trans is about might radically differ from your own, but at least you know he won't hate you for being trans if you do the same for him.

>>5396181
TALK TO HIM!!!
Tell him about yourself. Ask him about himself. If anybody should know what you are going through, your dad should.

>>5396228
Just do it, talk over the phone.

>>5396273
I pass so easy it is hilarious, and I started out as a lumberjack.

>>5396284
Nobody in my family saw it coming either, and I've been obviously mentally fucked up for ages. I was very good a hiding any femininity. Some of my friends saw it coming. I got lots of "it's about time." from many of them.

On your own feelings of gender dysphoria, go see a therapist, and figure them out on your own. Not all people with gender dysphoria need to transition, and those that do transition, most don't go all the way.

>>5396359
Not likely.

>>5396431
>empathy
depression kills empathy. many trans are depressed.

>>5396453
Likely the predisposition for it is.

>>5396381
That is what it was for you. I can guarantee for most it isn't.

>>5396389
I felt like my dad was going to come out at some point too, but I think he has more or less accepted his role as a man. I don't really see him changing and it isn't like he is depressed or anything. He probably just didn't get bad enough dysphoria.

>>5396688
>That is what it was for you. I can guarantee for most it isn't.

Yes. I gave OP insight into my mind on the chance that they could find my experience relateable. It's all I can do, all anyone can do for them.

Ultimately OP is the only person who knows what's going on in their own head, and no therapist will be able to truly give him the correct answer. Only he can decide whether or not his desire to transition stems from a desire to escape, or a fundamental NEED to conform to what your body has been neurologically designed to be comfortable with.

But contrary to what you think, most people don't actually suffer from clinical traditional gender dysphoria. Most people are of the escapist variety.

>>5396181
Grow up and reach out. Put yourself in his/her shoes. It's probably weird for you, but its probably dehumanizing for him/her and the loneliness they feel is almost undoubtedly greater than your repulsion you feel.

Openly express your reservations and talk through it. Running away is easy, putting your heels into the ground and giving it the good fight is hard. He/she might need you more than you realize and you his/her offspring which is an intense inherent emotional bond. Give it a chance.

>>5396381
>i did thing for specific reason -> everyone does thing for specific reason

>>5396705
>Ultimately OP is the only person who knows what's going on in their own head, and no therapist will be able to truly give him the correct answer.
A therapist can guide him to his own answer.
>But contrary to what you think, most people don't actually suffer from clinical traditional gender dysphoria. Most people are of the escapist variety.
Basis? Research? Where do you get this idea from? It goes against my experience. Yeah, a lot of transgenders have shitty depressed lives, but considering how they have been treated, I'm not surprised at that. It isn't escapism for them to transition. It is finally getting to be who they really are.

>>5396181
I can sort of relate to this, but I didn't feel the same way about it. I've been dealing with my gender issues off and on for about the last 15 years or so. I am fully and legally transitioned, and my family has known about it and been moderately supportive if not really helpful in getting anything done about it.

About 4 years ago, out of the blue though, my dad came out and told us that he had been on hormones for 6 months, and was legally changing all of his legal paperwork to reflect this. His wife of 6 years, my step-mother was absolutely shell-shocked and livid, and this caused an incredibly messy divorce. My three sisters stopped talking to him. My youngest sister who was 17 at the time chose to emancipate herself and move out of the house and out on her own than deal with him.

As for me though, I was fairly understanding and supportive, but I did not agree with how he did it as a bombshell. Since then everything has washed out, and my Dad is now my Mom, and she is doing better, and the family is sort of patching itself back together, but it was complete chaos for years in many directions.

So I guess you could say the main way my story is different is that I transitioned first, but it is still really unusual to have a parent also go for it almost simultaneously. I guess maybe my journey prompted the one my Mom went on, but who it to say in the end?

>>5396735
The basis for my claims have as much legitimacy as yours. As anyone's, really.

Which only puts all the more emphasis on my point that OP can only help themselves after a certain point.

Anyone inept enough to need a therapist to come to a conclusion for transitioning is likely too incompetent to function properly anyways and should be snuffed out of the gene pool, which they likely will be, by their own hands as well.

You have a very naive perspective on how the world and how the mind works. It's people like you that end up brain washing retards into transitioning for all the wrong reasons.

OP is well aware of whether or not he has legitimate gender dysphoria. He only needs to make a choice now. I refuse to treat a fully grown man like a fucking child and tell him that he needs a safe space and someone with completely arbitrary "qualifications" in a pseudo-science to tell him how to live his life.

It's time to grow the fuck up.

>>5396181

It doesn't matter if he has gender dysphorie, if it is a fetish or anything else.

But i think op judges too much.

You have no obligation on liking or accepting your father as he is. But is it fair to throw at him YOUR insecurities? Have you tried seeing all this from his perspective?

>>5396744
I just bought my first batch of hrt online right now and we talked a bit over the phone about meeting tonight for drinks and a very long discussion. I read your post and it gave me some hope. Do the both of you talk regularly now? Any pics of you two as mother and daughter for encouragement?

>>5396865
Well, I wish I could give a thing like that, but I don't actually live that close to her. This all went down after I moved out and on my own. I do talk regularly with her over the phone. Haven't seen each other in years though.

>>5396865
>I just bought my first batch of hrt online right now
that was fast

>>5396691
What makes you say that

>>5396381
>sound, logical advice on legbutt
lol get out of here you jealous hon bigot closetcase cis fag SJW ftm tranny agenderqueerpansexual

>>5396865
>I just bought my first batch of hrt online right

This has to be fucking b8. How retarded can you be?

>>5396181

>There are still people who think we trannies don't have defective genes

>>5397157
SHUT THE FUCK UP
NOTHING WILL STOP MY JEWISH DICK FROM PENETRATING A MOTHER-DAUGHTER TRANNY DUO
>ALL IS GOING JUST AS PLANNED...

>>5396779
You say I was giving bad advice, but this is what I gave:
>>5396688
>TALK TO HIM!!!
>Tell him about yourself. Ask him about himself. If anybody should know what you are going through, your dad should.
>On your own feelings of gender dysphoria, go see a therapist, and figure them out on your own. Not all people with gender dysphoria need to transition, and those that do transition, most don't go all the way.
How is that bad advice?
How is that brainwashing?
>Anyone inept enough to need a therapist to come to a conclusion for transitioning is likely too incompetent to function properly
lol Talk about faulty reasoning. Not everybody is a self learner for complex subjects. Most people have no clue about gender dysphoria other than what it is doing to them, and they don't have the time and ability to get educated on it. They need therapists to help them figure things out. The best thing with a therapist is the therapist has no agenda other than finding a good solution for the patient, and making a living. There are also some significant traps that somebody doing self diagnosis can get themselves into. With a therapist, those are avoided.

>>5397126
How so? OP said this:
>>5396181
>The thing is, I kinda have always been struggling with feelings of wanting to be a girl

>>5397242
>You say I was giving bad advice

No I didn't.

>Not everybody is a self learner for complex subjects.

Yes. Some people are incompetent.

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>>5397157
>tfw mtf with various birth defects because of diabetic and middle aged mom
I wonder if her womb caused this shit. They had to put me in an incubator after she gave birth

>>5396779
>I refuse to treat a fully grown man like a fucking child and tell him that he needs a safe space and someone with completely arbitrary "qualifications" in a pseudo-science to tell him how to live his life.

Some people are better at introspection than others, that doesn't mean they're more mature all round.
A good therapist isn't supposed to tell you how to live your life, but to help you focus and ask yourself important questions you may not have thought of.

>>5397285
I'll save anyone here the trouble.

A therapist will ask you two questions.

"Do you want to be a girl?"

and

"Why?"

Therapy and psychology in general is a shill. Don't believe me? Look into the research done on anti-depressants. They actively don't publish research that essentially proves that placebo's are just as good if not better than anti-depressants. It's a sleazy disgusting multi-billion dollar shill.

>>5397187

>JEWISH DICK

I'm sorry for your loss. I think you misread my post though. You made me curious though, has anyone seen a porn involving a trans mother and daughter? The unlikeliness of the mother being convinced to do it just sounds so unlikely.

>>5397262

I only meant the man-making genes, such as the androgen receptor gene. But maybe your mother's health had something to do with it. The possibility can't be refuted.

>>5397187
>tfw a bearded orthodox jew will never plow your bp with the force of 1000 maccabees while fondling your developing boobs with his hands calloused from a lifetime study of talmudic books
why even live

>>5396181
What a bitch ass you are, so you get disgusted by your dad because he's doing what he wants?
Even though he's a hon, you are also in the same track than him.
Double standards.

>>5396221
is he hot?

>>5396381
listen up kiddies. this is how you create hons

>>5396974
He was really effeminate in his youth and acted fairly fem when at home. He was always into taking care of his skin and wearing fancy clothes. I've also seen him crossdress a couple of times for laughs, and he seemed really curious about hrt. He asked me if his skin would get soft too if he got on it. He tries to act manly to a lot of people, but he really isn't. He also immediately hit me up with a trans suppression expert after I came out to him. Almost like it was out of experience. He even tried to give me tips on suppressing it. I think my coming out has made him come to be at peace with being a man since he knows he can best support me like this. I also recall him talking about how beautiful of a woman he would have made a few times, usually when around other men that seemed effeminate, almost like he wanted to give them a hint or something. The difference is that I haven't seen him depressed about it ever, just seems like something on the back of his mind. He probably isn't trutrans, but he is definitely something.

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>>5396324
everybody is super depressed all the time
jamming yourself full of hormones wont make you feel better

relax, take a breather, take a day of school/work if you can and calmly analyze everything that happened, talk to your dad, but remember, you are not him, you are your own person

Also, post pic of your dad, I doubt he's nice to look at but this might be kinda hot

>>5400584
>everybody is super depressed all the time
lol

>>5400584
>jamming yourself full of hormones wont make you feel better
Best antidepressant I've ever had was estrogen.

>>5400584
Estrogen turned my dysphoria into euphoria!

>>5396181
Get into therapy.

It has gone really well with us and I finally opened up to her about my own gender issues and she is letting me move in with her and is going to help me with my transition!!!