/FEMGEN/ feminine male general

>want to be female
>don't want boobs

I would start HRT if not for that one drawback.

femgen, help me out. I'm not sure if I'm just a cis femboy or a mtf. The more estrogen I take the more I enjoy it and I love how my tits are forming to be bigger but still, not sure about me being cis or trans.

>>5192584
Just be a femboy with boobs.

>>5192529
Hrt kills penis/brains/sex drive

>>5192597
Fembois are ideally flat chested, tranny tits are disgusting

>>5192692
>Hrt kills penis/brains/sex drive
mtf gen implies that their cocks are always permahard and they're always talking about sex. So no.

>>5192692
Can't be a femboy unless you're on E. Tits are fun m8

>>5192692
>Hrt kills penis/brains/sex drive

Considering the other benefits, that doesn't sound so bad. My sex drive is already dead and I don't use my penis.

>>5192304
can i get some hair tips? Ive always wanted long hair, but my hair went from straight to curly/frizzy after puberty. Its very thick also and at its current length, just one comb with my hand is enough to direct it into whatever direction i push.

>>5192304
Well im A tall guy and I'M a bit to muscular to look like a twink, is there really any way to fix that?

>>5192980
I straighten my hair which is naturally wavy and very thick. If you want long hair just get it layered every few months so it doesn't puff outwards.

>>5192984
Don't eat for 3 days, enter autophagy.

>>5193001
Jeez, Im way to work out based to not eat XD

>>5192984
Nein. I worked out for a few months and gained like 30 pounds of muscle, but i havnt lost any of it from just sitting around. how tall are you?

>>5193006
Twinks can still be muscular. Just not hairy and not too muscular.

>>5193008
6ft : (

>>5192529
>>5192597
>>5192692
Going by his photos, the guy from didn't get anything more than puffy nipples from years of estrogen at most.

Said he was able to do that by staying underweight.

Makes sense, even if the body got instructions to build tits, if you don't give it the fat to do it, you won't get any anabolism.

>>5193011
Sadly I think I am to the point that I cant be a twink then, Im a bit too big

>>5193018
>the guy from
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/4993290

Soy and SERM could be another alternative to estrogen too.

>>5193021
Whyyyy would you get all buff and then want to be a twink?

>>5193018
yeah that's what i've done. just stay slim, let E do the work.

gotta transition sooner or later tho

>>5192984
The only way to lose muscle effectively is starvation. It's difficult and unhealthy, though. Talk to your doctor and a nutritionist first.

>>5193029
Working out was a habit, I had a bf who liked buff guys, I worked super hard, he left... So after I tried to stop working out I got super cranky and couldn't really stay awake, like a withdrawal, and now I still work out and Im here : (

>>5193033
>gotta transition sooner or later tho
Why?

>>5193001
Straightening is not going to happen, and last time i grew it out i asked this woman to get it layered and she went full retard and cut it like a woman's bob (cut like 5 inches off also). Are there any good anti frizz products you could recommend though?

i'm on blockers and a little E but i dont want to be a grill. can i still be in the boy's club? i just dont want to be kawaii and not go bald.

>>5193017
That sucks, i feel tall at 5'10.

>>5193059
Thanks for understanding... i guess im a twunk huh?

>>5193055
>Are there any good anti frizz products you could recommend though?

Oribe. Look for a salon that sells this product and call in for a consultation. They'll give you a sample.

>>5193054
you hit your mid twenties, simultaneously enter twink death and gain weight because your metabolism has dipped. you will have to either count calories and stay as slim as possible (which isn't exactly healthy) or develop breasts and throw in the towel.

but really if you're taking HRT and trying to look feminine you should be asking yourself a few questions...

>>5193056
everyone in this thread who isn't chasing is on hormones or should be

>>5193054
Fucking trannys have no place here
Femmy guys ARE males and don't identify as women

>>5192692
>Hrt kills penis/brains/sex drive
Maybe in the 1970's.

>>5193110
>tfw hornier than ever after half a year on e

>>5193119
Oh really? XD

Any men want a cute cub?

>>5193125
>wake up
>dicks
>shower
>dicks
>brush teeth
>what if this was a dick
yeah

>>5193130
Well start out with your name ; )

>>5193134
Nah, thats just normal life for me XD

>>5193141
> XD
you aren't kidding are you

>>5193076
But I identify as a guy....

>>5193154
Nah, when im at the gym I just think, "I wonder if these squats make it look like im getting it?"

>>5193137
Maki tbqh
I am masc who wants a little femboi to fug tbqh
I am a nice funny person who is muscular.
I know Japanese pretty well, I read a bunch of literature and I shitpost full time.

100% top and straight but want to take my anger out on a little femmy boy

>>5193194
Well im not your guy, sorry

>>5193194
maki, you're chasing fem guys now?

just transition already. come on. do you have hrt?

>>5193157
same. i dont like my body but i dont see a need to identify as a girl just because im on hormones. i'm cool being seen as whatever gender people wanna see, but i'll usually call myself a guy vOv

tfw freshly shaved ass is full of red bumps even though I used the best shaving cream I could find

>>5193194
>100% top and straight but want to take my anger out on a little femmy boy
That makes me nervous and slightly horny

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c-can i belong here and can this be a permanent thing pls?

>>5193211
fusicid acid and aftershave

>>5193213
femgen is a semi-recurring thing

>>5193213
Femgen isn't a permanent thing any more.

>>5193213
Sure! Welcome to fem heaven!

>>5193194
why 'anger'?

I just want to be loved, not abused and then left for a female.

>>5193218
>>5193217
i know... but it should be forever.

>>5193219
cool.

>>5193211
SHAVING IS SHIT
VEET AND NAIR
USE THEM

>>5193213
I listened to your vocaroo and you're not feminine enough.

Out. Now.

>>5193222
there's a skype group but i don't know who's in it. maybe ask around here or try to find some of the old femgen trips like hitler or something.

>>5193224
yeah true i can vouch for veet if you use a lot of it

BUT DAMN does it smell like eggs

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Guys

Will we die alone?

>>5193232
r-really? but no other gneral will take me. gaygen said i was too fem. they called me a tranny. and the trannies hate me because i couldnt put up with them calling me a woman and telling me how to identify and flipped out on all of them. and now i have no 4chan friends and i just want to belong somewhere. please take me femgen.

>>5193237
k well if anyone wants to add me my skype is spookywitchpussy

>>5193241
Maybe, I dont know, it just depends on how lucky we are

>>5193241
land long term relationship before twink death and it could work

>>5193201
I chase everyone and everything regardless of gender creed nationality. I am a hunter that hunts everything and everyone. I just want to see if I can do it.

>>5193213
Sure
I need more generals to shitpost in so keep bumping this shit.
I am about ready to shitpost in /tlg/


>>5193221
Why would I leave someone im with for someone else? I am aggressive and mean but not an asshole. I am pretty nice tbqh
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1wJlM0zDuNh

Heres my ACTUAL voice

>>5193212
I can promise that you will love it tbqh

>>5193256
omg!!!! your voice is so masculine
i'm so wet rn <3

>>5193242
added : )

>>5193256
Aaaaaaahhh what the fuck your voice dude

>>5193265
>>5193271
I am just memeing it up I dont have a faggoty voice like tht.

I have a man voice...

what is your dream guy, femgen?

>>5193286
average height, moderate muscle, romantic, dominant

i mean that's pretty standard right

>>5193286
Someone cute who loves me and we make each other happy. I don't understand people who lay out a paragraph of appearance requirements like hair and eye colour, body mods and all that shit.

>>5193295
And intelligent, or at least seeming it.
Hast to be smarter than you if he's going to have a strong personality.

>>5193303
aw :3

>>5193286
Short, light, open minded

wow so fem gen is finally back. What killed it before?

>>5193307
i'm really fuckin smart though, so i gave up on that awhile ago.

>>5193316
disinterest, tranny spam, and the fact that most good chat was directed to the skype group

>>5193316
lack of posts and posters maybe. a lot of fem guys and twinks had infighting over differences. closet tranny posters. fem guys like me seem rare... people either just think it's a phase or i'm a tranny in denial.

>>5193295
How about you? Tell me about yourself, fag.

are you guys actually feminine-looking though? do you look at yourselves in the mirror and go "wow, I could see a straight guy being attracted to me"?

>>5193324
>fem guys like me seem rare... people either just think it's a phase
it is a phase. You can't remain a cute fem boy in your 30s and 40s

>>5193331
i've had straight guys, or "straight" guys who knows... meet up with me for romantic and sexual stuff before. but i don't present female anymore and don't do that. i have a lot of gay guys tell me i'm too feminine for them. ;~; it sucks.

>>5193334
true. ;~; even hrt only lasts so long.

>>5193331
I'm an average skinnyfat guy who wears average jeans and tshirts but i feel really feminine on the inside ;-;
but i do have a feminine voice, which i'm not exactly happy about.

>>5193331
We're not trying to attract straight guys because then they wouldn't be straight.

But yes I'm pretty fem, face and body.

>>5193286
cute personality, intelligent, funny, romantic

physically i prefer other feminine guys over masculine ones

>>5193326
uh okay. 5'8 dirty blonde, blue eyes, really pale. logical, calm, submissive...my main hobbies are listening and playing classical music, competitive chess, vidya. borderline trans. i live all around new england. i mean i'm not really looking for relationships because i'm already pretty emotionally invested in someone.

>>5193331
yeah i look like a girl, act like a guy, or so i'm told

>>5193342
Oh and my personality and voice is pretty feminine too.

>>5193331
a fem guy doesn't have to pass for a girl, just have feminine qualities. if he wants to pass for a girl that's just how he is, but its not a requirement.

>>5193342
post face and bp faggot

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>>5193351
pretty much this. passing as a girl is for mtfg. fem guys can be 6ft+ and built. it's not about what's on the outside tbqh. but it helps i guess idk...

>>5193347
too bad, ive always wanted to dominate some cute smaller guy and you sound perfect. But i live in florida.

>>5193354
My face and body have been posted so much because I was a stupid camwhore. I feel like I've done it too much already.

>>5193359
yeah i have no reason to go down to florida other than to visit an old highschool roommate. have fun down there.

>>5193351
What exactly qualifies as feminine qualities?

>>5193392
Kindness, caring, expressiveness, submissiveness, that kind of thing.

>>5193194
which literature?

disaffected tranny who no longer identifies as any particular gender. mtfgen hates people who don't identify exactly like they do. can i be an honorary femboy again?

>>5193689
are you less than 27

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>>5193689
but only if you're cool with presenting as an andro male.

>>5193714
>>5193729

25 and yes, i'd be ok with presenting as either an andro guy or a girl. i tend to dress pretty andro even in girlmode. so whichever works for the day.

>>5193770
why do you want to partially detransition? transition is like, my goal.

>>5193776
i thought i wanted to be a girl for the first 6 years of being out and transitioning. and while i don't hate it, there's also nothing particularly special about it. i have most of the same personal problems i had before re: dysphoria and depression, the only difference is the pronouns are different and people treat you somewhat differently. i decided that whatever gender i see myself as isn't really that important. there are advantages to passing as a girl sometimes, but i also kind of miss just being a cute boy sometimes and not having to live with a ridiculous amount of anxiety about passing the right way.

>>5193807
you won't be a cute boy though. you're aging from this point on.

make peace with it. i'd stay mtf personally but that's on you.

>>5193811
i feel like the countdown clock to sexual irrelevance is ticking regardless of which route i choose. but i'm not necessarily saying i'll stop hormones either. i think life without them would be just as shit as it was before. i'm talking more about making adjustments in presentation and maybe reducing the estrogen some. what it comes down to is striking a balance where i feel truly comfortable and i'm not 100% sure where that is yet.

>>5193846
you sound like it's time to start seeing a therapist again

>>5192980
For curly hair look up the curly girl method. Learn to take care of your curly hair and become the best femboy

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WARNING: ONLY REAL ACTUAL FEMBOYS ARE ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO THIS POST

Report in, guys.

>>5193861
shit, just jumped back on this board to see this message by chance. I have already started this (apparently). I don't use any shampoos anymore because of buildup, have a nice conditioner, and have some anti frizz stuff i bought from the ethnic area of the dollar store. Turns out i might have "a touch of tar" according to some relatives.

>>5193878
What counts as a "real actual femboy"?

>>5193887
>What counts as a "real actual femboy"?

If you have to ask, then you aren't one.

>>5193858
>>5193858
i guess? i don't really have the means to do it right now. i don't consider it that odd that you could have dysphoria, but not want to deal with being trans comes with anymore. i'm just tired of it.

>>5193878
well i can respond until i transition

what's up nigger

>>5193904
>until i transition

Fuck off, tranny. You're not a femboy.

>>5193907
yeah i'm only a feminine boy right

lol you guyth are tho thilly

>>5193887
You, apparently.

Do you use makeup?

What kind and how much do you use?

Brand?

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>>5193878
Is my butt cute enough to be /cuteboys/?

>>5194269
>look I have a butt
>I'm fem right

there's always one of you retards.

>>5194314
femininity isn't even a look to begin with

OMG! The thread is still here!

>>5194269
I certianly would say so,

>>5195623

Fuck off, retard. And take your lumpy ass with you.

>>5196947
i bumped the thread in the middle of the night

>>5196994
amen

>>5193807
why dont you just dress male some days and female the other?
i mean it seems like most amab people end up looking androgynous or feminine on hormones, but i've yet to see many transwomen who look so female that they couldn't pass as male

>>5193689
>mtfgen hates people who don't identify exactly like they do
thats not true, in fact several of the trips are feminine androgynous and were fem gays before they decided to take hormones so they could look more feminine

>>5193356
i see your posts in gay gen and while this is the place for you, you seem slightly delusional or confused
your posts make you sound depressed frankly
>>5193286
another fem boy

>>5197515
maybe i'm just dropping in on the wrong threads, but its not just mtfgen, there are trans spaces and trans people irl who me shit for it. i always get that "pick a side, stop making us look bad" speech.

plus let's be honest that's not the only thing wrong with the mtf threads on this board. nobody hates trannies more than other trannies. i'm kind of tired of that too.

i mean being a feminine guy is where my roots were before transition. now that i'm going through this identity shit again and i decided that maybe i can't or don't want to be a real girl i don't feel like i have a place where i belong anymore. nobody seems to want me.

>>5197532
what about my posts specifically make you feel like that's the case?

>>5200177
huh, i've felt the same way and i've always been a feminine or androgynous person. when i first learned about being trans and taking hormones; i just wanted to be a "boy who looked like a girl" eventually, i decided i'd be better of just "being a girl" instead a feminine man.
that being said i just take hormones and present as male, so i effectively am a fem boy, and i'm not really making any more steps to be completely feminine i feel okay like this.
And i'm the right height that i can doll myself up a little bit and pass as a girl when i want, but that's more work and effort.

i understand the "pick a side" mentality, honestly i feel the same way, i'm just on the male side at present. i think it's easier for most people to understand a gender binary, as opposed to alot of stuff in between

of course, i dont know that any trans people can be "real [target gender]" so thats part of my perspective as well

>>5200177
>>5200366
by doing hormones, you've developed tits, and castrated yourselves medically due to not gid and not wanting to be male

femboys are male

>>5200482
*due to gid and not wanting to be male

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tfw no captain harlock bf

>>5200482
i dont have any breasts, and i didn't want to father a child anyway
i also banked sperm just in case so it doesn't matter much to me either way
>>5200508
strange how they made a japanese guy look white-ish

>>5200366
likewise. i think i just wanted to be androgynous and avoid growing up to look like a normal guy. i mean i definitely feel like having masculine features gives me anxiety. so gender dysphoria is probably still relevant but i can't say i want to be a cis girl and have everything that comes with that. i don't want to worry about pregnancy or anything. i mostly pass as a girl right now, but im short and dont have a very deep voice so i have to try a little to pass as a guy, but it's entirely doable. i'm ok with putting in the effort as long as it means i can feel comfortable.

i agree, i was heavily involved in that mindset at first but i think on some level i recognize that i will always be male. even if i could make myself outwardly indistinguishable from a cis woman we still wouldn't be entirely the same. and thats part of why i dont want to go that far. i'll keep reaching new goals and continue to be feel dysphoria over what i can't have. might as well cut it off by avoiding that route all together.

>>5200482
i am still male though. my chromosomes haven't changed. my endocrine system and secondary sex characteristics are kinda different now, but its not like i became female.

my boobs are tiny and i've never intended to have children anyway. i don't want to be a breeder. there have been castrated men for thousands of years as well so it's not like there's no precedent for that. im alright with being thought of as sexless but i don't think it's strictly true.

>>5200202
you have a vibe of mental instability
and i dont think cismen take hormones for years; my understanding has always been that cis people on HRT develop physical mental dysphoria because of what hormones do to your brain.

and then you say things in gay gen like "oh i broke the circle jerk for the trannies"
i looked up and read tons of your posts and in alot of them you just seemed like a butthurt loser
the funniest part of it is that a bunch of them seem like they genuinely liked you or something, which is weird to me, since you seem like an idiot, but trannies are fucking crazies anyway.

I just think you're fucked up in the head personally, but obviously everyone is entitled to post wherever they want; I just think you're trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you're a man
that being said, i'd probably fuck you, so hopefully going off your hormones doesn't make you ugly

>>5203115
>and i dont think cismen take hormones for years; my understanding has always been that cis people on HRT develop physical mental dysphoria because of what hormones do to your brain.
I think gender identity is a bit of a spectrum. Like you might not want to be female as badly as the typical tranny, and aren't interested in socially transitioning, but you still feel better about yourself on HRT.

>>5203158
Okay that makes sense....but why stop just to convince OTHER people you're male?
again, it makes no sense

>tfw 6'2 to 6'3
>want to be as cute as possible
>lost nearly 100 pounds in the past year to be a cute femboy
>still have progress to make
>know I can accomplish it
>terrified that my height and general way I'm built will prevent me from looking cute
HELP

>>5203115
>and i dont think cismen take hormones for years
Not them but just because you like seeming neotenous and femminine and you're willing to use biotechy methods to stay that way doesn't mean you're mtf and aren't okay with staying a boy.

I mean sure taking stuff that gives you female secondary traits is weird, but I'd think an absence of social dysphoria combined with being okay with being a femminine gay male means it isn't trans.

>>5204031
if you look up his posts, you can see that he used to complain about not being female and not passing as female all the time.
it seems like more of a method to avoid his feelings than actually deal with them

>>5204048
I can't blame him. Being an ugly chick is worse than just being a guy.

>>5204132
the pic he posted the other day he was cute
i didn't see him when he was on hormones though

>>5204140
yeah but cute and passing are a little different. I pass most of the time with a little effort but I don't make a terribly attractive woman. I'm cute in a cute-for-a-boy kinda way.

>>5204158
i dont disagree with you; but he looked like a chick

I've been drinking on average 4 glasses of soy milk a day. My university has an unlimited meal plan, and I just down another glass whenever I can. What is doing this supposed to do again?

>>5205744
Have you done any research of your own on the effects of soy? Because it doesn't sound like it.

>>5205757
Me again. So, I did my own research out of curiosity. From what I gathered, you would need to consume so much soy before the estrogen contained within it had an effect that you'd practically be poisoning yourself. In other words, don't bother.

Hi, mofos.

That's it.

>>5205742
i don't pass as a woman.
at all.
or even a cute woman at that.
you're blind.
i look like a guy. i never get ma'amed in public these days. it's been months maybe. but only older women have ma'amed me. and they're blind like you.
i identify as male. anything i do on here will not illegitmatize that identity.
it is mine to have and i am the only one who can tell you how i identify.
this isn't a groundbreaking concept.

are there any femboys who like women?
or are all of you gay?

>>5206121
i find women attractive in theory, but all of the 'dominant' women i've tried to be with were really terrible at using a strapon. i also don't like piv at all. i'll orally service a woman but topping her with my dick is an instant turn off. trans girls have real dicks and are more fun to have sex with, but i find very few of them are attracted to feminine guys :/

>>5206893
I like feminine guys , but I want to be fucked, just getting oral would be unappealing
And I would and could not stick my dick in anyone, but I wouldn't be too great with a strap-on without practice

There are tons of other transwomen who like femguys, but I think you'd have a hard time finding ones okay with fucking you
I think I'd rather just handfuck a guys butt or use a dildo with my hand instead of using a strap-on

>>5207065
i mean i would consider topping a trans girls since thats more comfortable and familiar to me. i'm just not into sticking it in vaginas. and i mean, i still have hands so i can fingerfuck or give a handjob. plus frotting is one of my favorite things to do because its hot and requires zero prep. so im not necessarily saying i require buttfucking constantly, but cis women expect piv and i'm not into that at all. trans girls seem like the better option imo.

>>5207133
If you don't like vaginas then yeah a transgirl would be better for you, although many(like myself) want srs. Would you break it off with a transgirl because/once she has a vagina?

I wish guys like you were more common though anon
All the femguys I meet only like men, or hate trannies

Sometimes when I get unbelievably horny, all I want is to show off my BP and wear cute clothes even those I suppress these urges all the time otherwise. Last night I even had a dream where the girl I have a crush on was helping me put on makeup and was making my hair pretty before we almost got caught. I woke up so horny and I still am. These urges are getting so much harder to control. I don't know how much longer I can keep my femboy side locked away.

I need some comfort here. It makes me so nervous to think about expressing this side of myself in real life. Anyone else transition from a str8 boy to a femboy that can tell me how to do it?

>>5207231
if i'm being honest, i wouldn't necessarily break up with her for that reason alone, but my sexual attraction to her wouldn't be as strong. in the long run it might not be fair to her to remain in a relationship with me if she wants piv and i have trouble giving it. i would probably turn down a girl who had a strong desire for it because she deserves to have someone who's really into what she has.

and to be honest i think there are a lot of fem guys who like transgirls. a lot of femboys are bisexual and we're not all into just masculine men. i definitely dont hate trans people either. ive sometimes wondered if i might be one, but i doubt its something i could act on because of how shitty people treat them. when people confuse me for a girl its a nice feeling, but i think it would be too difficult to deal with in reality...

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>Yfw People for some reason are gendering you female all of a sudden
I mean I'm not really complaining, but I've got fairly short hair and just happened to be wearing skinny jeans and a dress shirt , so not sure what I did.

>>5207399
Okay yeah that makes sense, if I were you I think I'd probably feel the same way. Personally, I don't like anal that much since its a lot of work and I don't like the thought of putting stuff in my butt

Lol if ur trans you know, I find that generally there isn't that much questioning except from people in STRONG denial , or bad family upbringing.

I guess it's just been hard for me to meet bi femboys. Everyone I meet is gay, and I don't know where you find femguys online

>>5206893
>topping her with my dick is an instant turn off

I literally did not know such a thing was even possible. I thought everyone could agree that penetrating a woman is not THAT bad.

this thread is disgustingly straight right now

breeders pls go. if you're not 100% gay you can't be truly feminine.

>>5207702
If I promise to convert to the full gay side once I achieve qt status can I stay?

>>5207702
What if I'm infertile het?

>>5207648
yeah that's probably true. i mean my family was pretty accepting of me being this way, but i doubt that they'd accept me wanting to be a girl. i do worry i'll hate how i look the more i age into manhood and lose my androgynous features. masculinity looks good on other guys, but i've always liked being like this and i think women age a little better than men. but again, not sure it would be worth potentially losing family and community over it :/

you won't meet them on most dating sites. i've never met any fem guys on okc and grindr is full of masc4masc types. fetlife can hook up with local classifieds or crossdressing groups. there are frequent trap threads on /soc/ too. and uh.. tumblr isn't that great, but once you find a couple guys you can see who they're mutuals with and who they reblog. there are femboy boards on reddit too if you really want to subject yourself to their horrible layout.

>>5207690
i've tried being with a few cis girls. i can power through if i imagine im putting it in someones ass, but if i start looking at it i go soft and start feeling like shit. its not even that i think vaginas are particularly ugly, i just cant make myself do it without feeling really uncomfortable. i'm not sure why. its definitely a me problem and not a them problem.

>>5207702
>only gay people can be fem

Lol fuck off, retard.

>>5207822
same here

I like female phenotype, but vaginas are gross

that's why I like femboys and mtfs most
I'm a chaser

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Not sure if here is the best to ask.
But how to loss muscle ? I was in denial in early years and took muscle building as away to convince myself otherwise but it only made it worse, now that I realized that, I want to lose those muscles I weigh about 180 lb and have really wide shoulder, also because of all that building I'm not flexible anymore is there anything I can do?

Remember, even if you don't want to be a woman that doesn't mean you have to be a man.

>>5207896
See >>5193043. Also look into the diet of Christian Bale for his Machinist role.

As for flexibility, just do yoga. I've had great results in two months.

>>5207931
what kind of yoga are you doing? going to classes or doing it on your own?
i want to get into yoga, but i dont know where to start

>>5207892
>chaser
well that sucks
>>5207822
do vagina's feel that different from asses? i figured they felt really similar

my family would have been more okay with me just being a femboy, but i'm not a guy, so..... lol
fetlife sounds scary, but i'll try /soc/.
usually the trap threads there seem to be full of transpeople pre-hormones.
i have a tumblr I guess I can try that
>reddit
: ^ )
i guess it's worth a shot though

i just want to find bi femboys and it's soooo hard.
are you cute anon?

>>5207912
5th gender

I wanna join the femboy club. How do I get in? It seems so much more fun than a boring normie life

>>5208217
a vag does feel kind of like a self lubricating ass, but the texture is a little different. it's not really about the feeling though. i dunno why it's so difficult for me. i really want to like it.

yeah a surprising amount of people are fine with gay but hate trans. i guess you just get to a point where you do what you have to in order to get by

we're out there. you just have to not be afraid to approach us because we tend to get inundated with messages from guys and its easy to ignore the women in all of that. i guess i would say i'm cute. maybe not 100% 'passable' but i feel like being a fem guy is about more than just looking like like a girl. i don't really post pics or hook up with people here though. i like to keep it separate from the rest of my life.

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>>5208193
I have no idea of the name of the stretches I do but my sessions are ten minutes at their quickest. The kind of stretches I do focuses on my spine and hips. It's fun pulling my leg up to my head and surprising people who don't know I stretch.

I just googled stretches and circled the ones that I do. I think the only thing missing is some spine rotary stretch that I can't name or find.

>>5208342
oh
weird
i mean it makes sense though, some people just dont like things; what can ya do?

hitting on men is scary to me, but i will have to try it I guess
> i don't really post pics or hook up with people here though. i like to keep it separate from the rest of my life.
i figured it was worth a shot
i've never done that either; i've never posted photos online at all actually, im not that kind of person; i have my irl facebook and instagram, and thats it

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>>5193194
>100% straight

>>5207931
I'm not looking to do some extreme stuff like that.

>>5208193
Thanks, will start on these though most of them I can't do without having pain.

>>5207846
he's right you know

>>5208217
>be male so kinda into girls
>be fem sub so really into guys
femboy: the sexuality

>>5208278
are you under 20, below the average male height, and with a feminine face? is your frame inexplicably narrow? if yes, grow your hair out and start learning proper skin and hair care.

daily reminder that you will all be manly as fuck in a few years

>>5211839
older =/= manlier

We don't think we can be femboys forever, retard.

>>5211839
Yes so?
I get to be the batter and the catcher.
Don't narrow your horizon.
Also is spiro helpful?
To be more fem? without E.

>>5211678
>I'm not looking to do some extreme stuff like that.

Well, you're not going to lose muscle then.

>>5211839
once you've fully matured, that's it
it's not like a twink is going to grow into a lumberjack as he gets older

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>>5211839
Yfw

>>5211899
>Also is spiro helpful?
>To be more fem? without E.

You do not simply take Spiro without any E. You will be killing yourself, literally.

>>5212046
>You will be killing yourself, literally.
How is that?

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>>5212037
yeah but nobody takes boyish 35 year old former twinks seriously

best hope you turn manly eventually

>>5212063
Your body needs hormones, T or E, one or the other.

>>5212046
No such thing.
Male produce E at a low levels compared to females
>Higher doses of spironolactone are not recommended in males due to the high risk of feminization
Which is what needed.
The only thang that can kill is Hyperkalemia which isn't really a threat if you have normal kidneys and not going above 400mg/day.

>>5212046
this is such a dumb meme. there have been castrated men who live into old age for literally thousands of years.

the only time you need to start worrying about the osteoporosis shit is when you're an over-40 couch potato. just eat a normal amount of vit d and calcium and youll be fine.

Any femgens who are attracted to women here?

>>5213142
Yes. Why does this get asked every thread?

This is still a thing? lol

>>5213368
how is your hrt going?

>>5213403
hrt is for trannies
and last time I checked I'm not mentally ill

This place is 90% trannies in denial now

>>5213416
how is your AIDS going?

>>5213435
Wonderful thanks.
I've been living a fulfilling life as a gift-giver.

>>5213453
you really got AIDS?
i thought it was a meme

>>5216205
nah I'm a virgin still

>>5216272
oh
yah dude you're hot as fuck, i'm surprised you're a virgin

>>5216364
hes not a whore who just sleeps with anyone anon
he remains pure because hes made sure of it. its not like ppl dont hit on him silly

>>5192710
true

>>5211839
>mfw 20
>little to no body hair,thanks native american genes
>no body smell at all
>feminine face
>feminine skinny body
>not balding

When??

>be tranny
>want femboy bf
>tfw no femboys want a tranny gf
someone prove me wrong please

>>5216789
a lot of us like trannies

Need people to bother, someone add me on skype averycolorfulbird

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> Tfw 21 y.o.
> I have long desired to be a q.t femboi
> But too tall. Too stronk. Too beard.
> I am fated to be as my viking warrior ancestors.
> At least I get to pillage monastaries, tho.

Srsly, though, much bear, very hate.

>>5216789
I dont mind trannies, as long as they pass 100% and are very cute and feminine looking, also bros.

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is pueraria mirifica any good ?

>>5216924
Will send pic if you add my skype desu
Annieamagami

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>>5213416
> trannies in denial now
Shouldn't you take care of your own mental illness before you decide to begin parodying masc4masc?

>>5213416
I hate to agree with hitler, but he's right

all you faggots on mones are going to rekt your dick/balls/organs/mental health

>>5217039
Shit's basically 'traps not in the know/ability' general now.

tfw not born cute enough

>>5217039
The guy from https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/4993290/#4993290

Was on them for a long time and they've helped him stay cute for an unnaturally long time . Tits and Ed aren't a problem if you've got low body weight and exercise it seems.

Can't be trans if you're perfectly fine with being a guy. Don't see why there's anything wrong with using tricks to extend shelf life.

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mfw feminism's insidious plot to destroy all traces of masculinity by convincing beta nerds to become feminized girlyboys is working. i have failed you brothers.

>>5217508
>Can't be trans if you're perfectly fine with being a guy. Don't see why there's anything wrong with using tricks to extend shelf life.
dunno if i'm 'perfectly fine' with being a guy since i'm trying to avoid the inevitable slide into full blown masculinity, but i don't really give a shit how people gender me and i'm not trying to be a girl. i'm fine with whatever people think i am. i just want to age into a qtier form rather going full bro.

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>>5217527
Actually, they seem to hate individualism and blurred lines more than anything. That's why the more radical ones want gay porn banned cause they think the twinks in it act and seem too much like women.

You're probably trolling them more than anything else.

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>tfw been taking anti androgens and estrogen for about 4 months now
>tfw can't stop because when i do my skin gets worse and my face looks somehow manlier and i get more facial/body hair
>tfw don't want to be a tranny or transition
>tfw backed myself into a corner with this shit

>>5217744
assuming that whoever wrote that isnt a troll thats pretty fucking disturbing. i mean, i'm not one of those people who thinks sexual orientation is an either / or deal. i think we're shaped by our environment in unseen ways, but that's pretty extreme. like if actual lesbians are going around saying shit like that its no wonder other lesbians aren't taken as seriously.

plus positioning feminine men as 'substitutes' for women in gay relationships is pretty fucking sexist. radfems must really hate men. we can't even be feminine without it being like, some secret patriarchal plot lol. they talk about how gender is just a social construct but then say shit like that and the only way i can interpret it is that men should naturally be masculine. way 2 gender abolition i guess? i'm not trying to be anything for anyone but me.

>>5216924
>they pass 100%
>trannies irl
you are in for a rude awakening, lol

Non-binary. The word is non-binary. It's okay, you don't have to be some obnoxious Tumblr teen about it just because your gender identity doesn't fit into the usual two.

>>5216372
oh
>>5216441
go back to your tranny thread
>>5217807
just monitor your hormone levels so you dont dip too far into the female range
>>5217508
thats booger http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/5205641/#5205845

changes are influenced by genetics and hormone levels but you can manipulate your levels to be androgynous

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who #twinksfortrumps here?

>>5216924
yeah but as a passing tranny i don't want to have people know i'm trans

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>>5221092
Would vote but only if he agrees to take Devito as a running mate.

>>5221092
if he's serious about the national healthcare thing, i want to see him sell it to the republican base. just to prove that conservatives don't actually care about anything and they'll abandon their positions when someone loud or rich enough tells them to.

Have anyone of you got bullied or attacked because of their feminine look?
Regardless of their sexual orientation.

>>5222386
>middle school. bullied for being passive and small.
>high school. sad emo faggot phase. harassed for wearing makeup and dating guys. eventually get jumped by a guy in a bathroom.
>about 19. attacked and called a dyke by a group of four black women while walking home with gf. they mistake us for a lez couple.
>about 22. followed around and verbally harassed by some creeps in car who mistake me and another gf for a lez couple again.
>about 24. get shit from co-workers because i'm dating a guy and am too feminine
i'm almost 26 now and my experiences have been pretty unremarkable because i'm generally invisible and people don't notice me, but it happens from time to time.

>>5223004
What you do usually?
I live in a third world country and have my hair at shoulder length.
Though I do look feminine enough, I still act "manly" and got into fight, but long hair in fights is a good grab point for you opponent.
And when they ganged up on me I really was scared.
Most of the fights that I got in was when I was like 5-6 years old.
I grew my hair when I was in college.

>>5223041
i'm 5'6" and 132lbs soaking wet so i like to avoid conflict if at all possible. most guys who have a bone to pick with me could kill me pretty easily. i don't want to die so i keep moving.

with co-workers 1) try to talk to them and see if you have something in common. this worked with at least one guy in my case. 2) talk to the management.

your situation sounds rough. i'm not sure what to suggest. but even a big guy doesn't stand a good chance if he's ganged up on by multiple people. i'd honestly just try to get somewhere safe. try to stay in well lit areas with a lot of foot traffic. idk what the situation with cops is like in your country. even in the states ive rarely found them helpful. i live in a city, but its only 100,000 people and pretty rural otherwise.

>>5216945
Yeah it definitely works for me. My nipples got pretty puffy, and I could probably grow boobs if I upped the dose and ate more.

>>5223041
do drugs, carry a stun device

>>5223136
>your situation sounds rough
That's an understatement.
What scared me the most was they had a car, and it was very early in the morning so pretty much no one were around.
They were probably drinking somewhere.
Where I live law is just a word, armed militia rules here.
>>5223184
That will cause more issues than it solves.
But I've learned to improvise weapons from objects near me.

>>5223349
I just carry a switchblade with me whenever I'm out.

Or you could just go in girlmode nerd

>>5223349
>>5224575
switchblade is a bad idea cause you can actually kill someone and it's not a one-hit kill either

what's so bad about stun gun?

>>5224746
stungun is cumbersome, usually leaves evidence, has to be aimed

with a switch there's no evidence, it's a common weapon, and besides. anyone who knows how to do a knife fight knows to go for the hands not the body. disable them and leave. don't go for the torso or face or anything.

>>5224575
>switchblade
That's even a worse idea.
Now if a law enforcement caught me, they'll have a bukkake party with me.
>girlmode nerd
Not sure what's that.
I look girly, and that's about it.
I'm hetrosexual.
>>5224746
It's winter, people wear heavy clothes.
It's not good when many gang up on you.
Will rises questions at security points.
I think I'll get a retractable baton or mace.

Just to threat.

Besides if a law enforcer decide to show up, I'd be in wrong if I had a knife or a stun gun in my possession.
baton or mace are better, I think.

femgen is full of autistic uggos
who arent even feminine because theyre all gamer weebs
its filled with jewscum like hitler and dann
and paedopaki scum like rugby

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>>5227607
>who arent even feminine because theyre all gamer weebs

>>5227607
thats me desu

>>5227516
>winter

wait I thought you lived in 3rd world country?

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>>5228264
Could be a slav

>>5228318
russia is not 3rd world it's russian world

>>5228395
Love Eastern Orthodox aesthetics, but their position on social issues and faggots is exactly like the third world's.

>>5228426
but they are nothing like 3rd world(african/middle eastern/some south asian countries)

they are whole different brand of shit

>>5228432
They've got the same reaction to homosexuality and people being effeminate they do in Latin America and stuff. Police doesn't care in either.

Africa and Isis land are on a whole other level so not relevant.

>>5228447
that's because africa and isis are 3rd world and russia and south america actually aren't classified as such

I think that stuff like getting on hrt would be much easier in africa desu due to less regulation

>>5228456
The NHS and other statist fossils that restrict free access to harmless substances are the very definition of third world.

>>5228620
harmless? hardly.

>tfw tranny
>tfw will look like a femboy forever
;_;

>>5229121
Your typical contraceptive is orders of magnitude more likely to cause blood clots and embolism and those are free. Spiro and soy or low dose e doesn't have the same ability to induce clots.

French actually banned a lot the third generation contraceptives after they killed some three hundred women in six months.

I just think it weird the NHS doesn't believe in such things as stats.

>>5229153
This. The actual risk of getting a blood clot from 17b-estradiol in non-smokers under 40 who are in good health, is quite low. The cardiovascolar risk was much higher in the past because they were prescribing shit like premarin and ethiny etsradiol whose negative effects were well known but prescribed in large doses, usually without anti-androgens.

>>5229513
>ethiny etsradiol
Near all contraceptives are that though, and they're otc and free, despite the high amount of fatal complications.
But you know they're safe and there isn't any political issues involved, nope not one bit. Gee with things like that, you might as well just try some and role the rolette wheel.

>>5229137
>wanting to be an inferior girl

>>5229551
id never get rid of my dick!

>>5229543
Yeah I'm aware. I was just trying to add to the conversation about the safety of hrt because it seems like theres always someone who is convinced that people are dying left and right. I can't speak for ftm hrt, but modern mtf hrt is a lot safer than it used to be.

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>>5229582
You can stay then

>>5229582
Me neither but that's only because SRS is shit

>>5229655
Yeah, I know you meant that.

I just find it ironic those same people are okay with contraceptives despite the fact people are actually dying left and right.

I mean of course I'm not in favor of regulation so if they want to take contraceptives then fine.

>>5229582
Same. I've got dysphoria but not strong enough to want to trade my dick for something that needs constant maintenance to stop it from collapsing. Plus I like to top sometimes and plastic cocks suck.

>at least 5 posts every femgen complaining about fem guys that don't look fem on femgen

the really fem guys get plenty of fucking attention irl we don't need to post pics on 4chan's gay board for validation from thirsty nerds. we exist, we post, stop complaining goddamn

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>>5211839
>Mfw I compared my transition pictures before and after HRT
>I looked better before HRT then after

JUST

>>5229694
all natty, rock hard erection in an instant dick is best
trannies, and hormone fags w their limp dicks need to go

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So, I'm a top, and I'm not terrible looking, not super fat, kinda the "tall, dark and handsome" type. I'm 27 now and I'm starting to think that a cute femboy who wants a LTR isn't really a thing. Either its obese basement dwellers with bad hygene that claim that they are "submissive and kawaii!!!11!!" or physically cute bottoms who are emotional wrecks and have no loyalty or do drugs. Pretty sure I'm gonna die alone...

>TFW no cute femboy to grow old with.
>TFW no little spoon.
>TFW life will be wasted.

And my standards aren't even high. Just be cute, and not a total ass hat druggy or emotional black whole.

So what do you guys actually look like? I'm having a hard time imagining what a "femboy" is.

>>5229980
limpdick is a myth perpetuated by the transcabal to convince feminists that they're pitiable desexed people.

I've been on blockers for years and I can still get hard. its as much mental as it is hormonal.

if you're one of the ones who has a panic attack every time you remember you have a dick it will affect your ability to get it up.

>>5230019

>limpdick is a myth perpetuated by the transcabal to convince feminists that they're pitiable desexed people.

Thanks for admitting it, but we pretty much knew.

>>5211849
So what are you going to do when you get too old to be a femboy?

>>5230019
>>5230030
It really depends on how much you use your dick desu.

>>5230014
>physically cute bottoms who are emotional wrecks and have no loyalty or do drugs
that's me

fuck

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>>5211839
Not me. I'm on blockers and E.

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>>5230085
I somehow doubt that. I'm sure there is SOMETHING hugely wrong with you. Like you like "non-monogamous" relationships, or "weed isnt a drug, I smoke it every day!"...

Always something...

>>5230071
Age into an older somewhat androgynous guy. Like a hairless (in my case) David Bowie.

>>5230017
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/4993290/#4993290
Just androgyny and neoteny in males.

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>>5230085
Implying hobo!Shinji = the average femboy

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>>5230017
I bought a sweater recently, so I took a picture.

What does /femgen/ usually wear?

>>5230206
Freddy whoger

>tfw in australia

>>5230309
i think there's one anon in aus

>>5230206
>tfw hair takes forever to grow

>>5230128
That is one of the best threads ever. Top kek.

>>5230407
lol i remember that thread

op was cute but also an anglemaster. i hope op transitioned eventually.

>>5230206
okay that's a really nice sweater where'd you get it? it's kinda cold for it now though...
>new england

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>>5230434
>hope op transitioned eventually
Why? Androgyny is hotter with guys.

>>5230561
for their own sake. as fun as it is to be andro masculinization is the devil. spiro and estradiol till i die.

>>5230568
He was on hormones though. It's possible to take hormones and still identify as a guy, they said something like that.

There's nothing wrong with taking hormones so your body doesn't age in a way you wouldn't want, doesn't automatically mean you want to be a woman though.

>>5230589
100% this

this is what my doctors who refused me hrt didn't understand, which forced me to self med and ultimately fucked me up when inhouse sent me unworking hormones once

>>5230589
yeah whatever you say. i'm gonna keep voice training and swallowing grillpills until my 20s and then call myself a woman

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>>5230390
iktf.

>>5230434
It's an old school Junya Watanabe sweater from A/W '02. Found it second hand and in good condition too. Surprisingly warm for a knit with large holes.

>>5230614
You seem slender and sexy, what's the rest of you look like?

>>5230603
What country are you in? WPATH guidelines say that shouldn't disqualify you.

I think it's ridiculous on their part. They'd write scripts for taxpayer paid contraceptives that have a good chance of killing their patient, but they won't let people take a much safer version of those hormones without forcing people to act like walking caricatures.

>>5230614
you make me want to get into photography desu
and your hair is a lot like mine. what's your routine?

>>5230626
Isn't wpath just some sort of independent trans organization, without any legal power of their own?

>>5230663
Yeah it is. Or at least the NHS doesn't care about international guidelines.

They seem to care more about it in the states and IC is becoming common there.

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>>5230626
Maybe anon was unlucky or lived in a less open minded area. I've been doing this shit for longer than a lot of the people I see come through this board and it was a pain in the ass for me to find someone willing to prescribe me hrt in the beginning. Even playing up the trans angle. This was 2007 so it wasn't like it was that long ago, but there were basically no resources online or otherwise.

I've been at an informed consent clinic for a couple years now and I like them a lot because they had a screening process to make sure I was stable enough and talked to me a bit about gender stuff, but I was never made to feel like I was wrong because I don't identify a particular way. I just explained what I wanted out of it, how well it had been working for me so far and that I'd like to continue under their care.

>heterosexual
>want to be femboy, probably already am
>might just be a closeted transbian

why bother living

>>5230634
Showers once a week with shampoo/conditioner, brush and flat iron every day. I use styling cream, hold spray, and heat protection for the straightener. All Oribe products (they're amazing).

>>5228264
>3rd world country
>always summer
I hate to break it to you but as long as it's in the northern hemisphere there will be seasonal changes.
It's middle east if you want to know.
>>5228620
You can get any drug here without prescription with the exception of opioid.
Since this is run by the government.
>>5230206
Nice hair, What's your everyday hairstyle?
And the sweater is cute, though I'll either get killed, or gangbanged if I wear it here.
Also what's your diet/workout?

>>5231149
Femboys are male, not mtf tranny

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>>5230014
I smoke weed but its only to selfmed my anxiety.

>>5230014
Post pic

>>5232543
Yeah i know. I want to be a femboy, but my friends think im closeted trans. And im hetero, which is weird

>>5233230
Pretend you're trans and into men. Use this to get into the changing room with a female friend you're into and then bang her. Claim banging her helped you view gender and sexuality in a new and open way, or some other bullshit, and become her barbie doll boi friend with benefits

>>5233292
eww no i have a girlfriend

>>5233522
Let's see if she still sticks around after you swallow pills

>>5228078
you cant be feminine if you like video games
youre not manly either
but youre definitely not feminine if you like geek shit like video games and anime
holla when you like fashion and the kardashians

>>5233719

An awful lot of geeks turn out to be femboys and/or trans girls. So maybe liking video games is actually the girliest thing of all.

>>5233801
>be trans
>hate social interaction
>play games instead
neat

>>5232552
POST PIC

>>5233801
no
femboys and trannies in the real world like fashion and the kardashians
autistic freaks on 4chan do not reflect reality
feminine people do not play video games
end of
if ur a gamer ur not feminine
the femboys and trannies on here arent even femboys or trannies
they dress like 3 year olds

>>5234187
You're so silly it's almost cute

>>5234187
whoa what a load of bigoted hate speech there that is both transphobic and femboiphobic. there are girl gamers as well you shitlord

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>>5233719
>you cant be feminine if you like video games
Going to just try and cheat that by claiming that it doesn't count if you like them just for their artistic value or something.

Yeah, I know that's grasping for straws...

>>5234187
There's been legit girl gamers in Japan for decades. Don't see why it's unfeminine at all.

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>>5234187

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>>5234187
>implying twinks can only be bimbos

girl gamers are not feminine
theyre all fat ugly bitches
im not being femboy or transphobic
trans and fems u meet irl like girl things
like make up and fashion
they dont like video games
u weirdo fucks dont want to be girls
u want to be anime characters
look at the retarded fucking anime clothes u fuck ups wear

>>5234440
really? i meet hundreds of people every day who have no idea i have several online aliases and regularly spend weeks at a time devoted to 8-hour-a-day gaming.

>>5231262
How do you get cheap Oribe products? Or do you just have money? Also most days I just condition without shampoo. Why do you not condition during the week then?

>>5234440
I think you need to take a few deep breaths buddy

>>5233619
she's actually already said she would, even though I personally dont think i'm trans

>>5232421
I drink water and eat literally nothing but vegetables and fruit all day. As for exercise, I do Yoga/stretching three times a week (no cardio). See >>5208346.

>>5234496
Cheap Oribe products? No idea. I buy all mine in person from salons. Some places give free samples, depending on the salon, so you should consider that if you're interested. They're expensive but each bottle works well, lasts a few months, and can be used every day after straightening hair like with what I do. I've found that my hair looks better several days following a shower, so I only do it once a week.

>>5193194
skype - vicn881

Okay femgen

what do we look like?

>>5236150
I have a hunch that 90% of posters here are in fact not femboys.

>>5236265
that's what i want to know, lol

ah here i'll just make one

http://strawpoll.me/6018799

>>5236293
The first choice ("Yes - easily") is most accurate description of the four, though I consider it more of a work in progress, e.g. I need to get on mones, maybe a haircut, and potentially some FFS, to reach full potential.

>>5236377
then go for it

but of course i'm going to need to see some identification

>>5236293
How exactly are you defining femboy here'? If your requirement is that a femboy easily passes as female we might as well just admit that this has become another tranny thread.

There are no defined criteria so I can only fill in the blanks and guess that you're talking about boys who look like trannies.

>>5236457
It's neoteny, not dressing like a girl. Not that some might not do it but...

Of course some androgyny is going to come along with that, but the main thing is looking very young.

>>5236519
I don't try to look young, I try to look really feminine as a guy. Looking young is just a consequence of that. I'm on HRT and will probably transition in the future but I'm pretty sure my case is typical.

>>5236864
Same desu. Looking 'young' isn't necessarily my goal, just a side effect of the pills and actually taking care of my skin / shaving. I just want to age gracefully, rather than slowly watch as I hit peak neanderthal at 30. I don't want to be a full girl though, just a more feminine guy.

>>5237136
post skincare routine m8

Hey femgen, so I'm a 19yr straight male. I want to become more feminine looking without actually transitioning. however my face and body are clearly masculine. I've a 'healthy' BMI (5'10 and 150lbs) but I'm planning on losing some weight. However my biggest problem is my face and build. Taking e was my first option however I don't want to develop tits or anything totally unreversable. I basically want to become passable as a girl, without being a girl. Are there any other ways to achieve this goal without growing breasts as a side effect?

>>5237408
Alright buddy. firstly, freeze your sperm. i know it sounds weird but you may not want to get off mones in the future.

secondly: you're going to have to starve yourself to lose muscle mass any time soon. this will also likely prevent the formation of breasts (because they're largely fat tissue). eat less salty or fatty foods as well. there was an anon here prattling on about SERMs being used to feminize with breasts. I don't really know what he was talking about.

thirdly: your face needs surgeries to be feminine. the only reliable way to get these is to claim you're transitioning and then pay for it out of pocket or, by some miracle, have it covered by insurance. this can run you above $20k. then either decrease your hrt dose or back out of it to some extent. would need pics of face to confirm the necessity and cost of ffs.

finally:
>straight male

>>5237440
I've got no interest in males, its just something I want to do before its too late I suppose. Which is why I don't want to have breasts develop, or any REALLY distinguishable features so when I'm done with whatever I'm going to do I can revert to my normal self without having to go under the knife to remove anything.

>>5237462
breasts would go away after HRT. they aren't permanent. especially if you can lose weight and maintain a low weight already.

why do you want to be feminine? do you want to talk about it?

>>5237206
My routine isn't super fancy. CerAve hydrating cleanser with konjac exfoliating sponge at least twice a day. Kose Sekkisei moisturizer in the mornings before BB cream. Biore UV Aqua Rich 50+ SPF for sunny days. Kose Softymo or DHC oil cleanser to remove makeup. Witch hazel to spot treat the occasional acne. A lot of the products are Japanese, but they're pretty easy to find via Amazon. There are western equivalents if you just look for stuff with similar ingredients though.

I have some ice pick scars on the left side of my face from teenage acne. I haven't found anything that truly gets rid of that yet and I think I'm going to have to seriously consider some professional chemical peels. But as bad as I think my skin looks now, it is so much better than before and spiro in particular nuked all of my acne within about a month or two of starting it. I wish I'd known earlier so I could've used it as an excuse to get qtpills.

>>5237478
>breasts would go away after HRT. they aren't permanent
This is only partly true. I've been on HRT for a pretty long time and I've played with my E doses a lot to see where I'm most comfortable. The breast fat definitely decreases back to a typical male amount, but once breast tissue itself has grown its there for good. The only way to get rid of that is double mastectomy and then you're going to have to consider the aesthetic issues inherent in that. They can't always put it back exactly the way it was. So if you can live with the booblets its not that bad, but otherwise I would say definitely try a really low dose and don't try to nuke all your T completely. The risks of low hormones are exaggerated, but you'll feel a lot more energetic with some sex hormones in your system.

>>5237516
you use a moisturizer before bb creme? and it doesn't curl the shit out of your bangs?

>>5237478
I mean I don't mind talking about it, I just don't want to make a large post about it on femgen lol.

>>5237548
No? I'm pretty spartan with both. Look for light gel moisturizers and BB creams that aren't super heavy. The only thing that causes my hair to curl is humidity and my inferior genetics.

>>5237561
why not? nobody cares because half of us are queeny anyway, and furthermore you're anonymous. it can't hurt you.

>>5237572
well alright then. i guess i'll try it.

>>5237408
I'm in a similar situation here in that I want to look androgynous but not transition fully. The reason being that I don't want to deal with the social impacts of fully transitioning.

Is there a guide for doing this kind of thing with dosages and such?
I don't suppose doctors are willing to let me go half-way.

>>5237621
if you find the right clinic they are. but frankly you should just get full dosage covered by insurance and do whatever with the rest of them.

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>>5237408
>I basically want to become passable as a girl, without being a girl.

Well I mean, gender is a social construct.

I mean, if you don't want breasts that's a very specific goal with concrete answers. But really, what DO you mean by that? If you could magically have the body of a flat chested androgynous cis woman, (with a penis?) would you like that?

>>5237665
Yeah, basically that would be my end goal. I know it seems really specific, and most likely wouldn't be possible without taking steps towards something more permanent like serious plastic surgery operations. but as i said its something I would more likely than not be wanting to reverse down the line without too much of a lasting mark.

Again, I know its probably an odd thing to ask, at least that's how it feels. But its something I've wanted to do for a long time now, and figure i better try it now before its too late and I regret it down the line.

>>5237774
i was in the same boat before i transitioned. don't be so sure.

new thread when

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>>5237665
>>5237774
>living the way of the shinji

>>5237654
I looked already but didn't find any IC clinics that are reasonably close by. Money for meds is not really an issue for me. I just don't want to fuck my shit up.

>>5241539
Talk to your GP, give them some info and see if they'll work with you. If you're in the states there are also private pay labs where you can order just about any blood test. All you have to do is show up for the appointment. It's a lot cheaper than going through insurance in my experience.
PDF here => http://transline.zendesk.com/entries/21714071-Summary-Tables-Labs-and-Hormone-Doses
will give you the quick and dirty on what tests you need to order.