U.S. Army kills contracts for hundreds of immigrant recruits.

>>35178140
>washingtonpost

Fake news. The word they leave out is "illegal". What a cohencidence.

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Now who is going to fuck up my paycheck in Finance?

OP, were you pretending the majority of these were going to be combat arms personnel?

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>>35178140
What's the tl;dr on this?

>>35178180
>OP, were you pretending the majority of these were going to be combat arms personnel?
I'm asking a question, this should be the place to find answers. I thought we were short on recruits though.

>>35178169
Bingo.

So where's the story? The military doesn't let in criminals, and illegal immigration is a criminal offense. Did you want a special exemption for one certain type of crime because muh feels? Too fucking bad.

>>35178188
Uncertainty of immigration laws. Too much work to enlist illegals. Sticking with citizen enlistment

I'm a former enlisted.

>enlisted
>highly skilled recruits.
pick one

anyone trying to immigrate and become a citizen in the USA and highly skilled, would have found a civilian employer to sponsor a work visa.

If I were an illegal fucktard, I would certainly take infiltrating a country more seriously if I knew not only I could use a social program to remain there, but could actually serve in that countries military and receive life long benefits afterwards.

Oh fuck, I'm MAVNI, currently waiting for BCT.

Time to bring this up to my recruiter.

America, NOO!

>>35178140
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH ARMY YOU FUCKING BIGOTS

US MILITARY IS RACIST

>>35178380
Sorry criminal, you have to go back.

>>35178140
>/k/ will rage at this
and you fuckers wonder why there are gang members in the military

>>35178327
But just illegals, but most immigrants have to undergo extensive background checks and are getting caught up in this.

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>>35178188
do you think she's smart and maybe likes guns and is a virgin and smells like Daisy by Marc Jacobs or is she some typical liberal party slag? asking for a friend.

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>>35178140
good and nice

>>35178203
No we aren't asshole. We've been force shaping for years.

I don't know, OP...try reading the article?

the trick here is............MAVNI only hires legal immigrants, but they also hires DACA.

Since DACA is outlawed now, these daca r

>>35178331
haha, many are college grad who is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a work visa.
But i believe they only cares about the Language skills and medical skills.

>>35178546
Judging by the structure and grammar of your response, I wouldn't hire you to babysit a rock.

>>35178526
my recruiter and he told me that the pool was expanded to DACA but only if they are a licensed healthcare professional; an impossible situation for them. Or speak a language that the DoD needs, and Spanish is ineligible.

>>35178140
I support this decision.

They have to go back.

>>35178180
>>35178203
agree, if you hire mercenary, you don;t hire them to cook food and drive trucks, you hire those dead eye killer MOFOs to fill the front line.

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>>35178188
>TLDR

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>>35178669
Awwwwwww, look, babby's first quote.

>>35178621
Exactly wrong.

This is why the Romans brought auxiliaries on campaign.

>>35178669
Wut?

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>>35178669

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>>35178669
You are either retarded or baiting me, bitch?

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>>35178669
what the sam-fuck is fuckin' this

Even though this article doesn't mention the word "illegals" this seems to be about illegal immigrants that came out of the shadows / out of hiding to join some sort of Army program that would allow them to gain citizenship.

>>35178786
I noticed that recently a lot of outlets are reluctant to use the term illegal immigrant. Its rather strange, isn't it?

>>35178669
>mass replying without actually mass replying
the perfect shitpost

>>35178920
Because it's a loaded term that causes a gut reaction with too many people.

>>35178140
>designed to attract highly skilled immigrants into the service
> highly skilled
[doubt]

>>35178451
I thought you needed at least green card to enlist. This is ridiculous, how desperate do you need to be to enlist illegals. Was that Obama too?

>>35179046
How do you run a background check on "undocumented" immigrants for security clearances and such?

>>35179173
Probably the same way they do it for every other applicant. Also if you're an asylum seeker or refugee, you've already been extensively scrutinized.

>>35178482

i'm so disappointed this isn't a real pic

>>35179149
>I thought you needed at least green card to enlist.
See that makes no sense to me. What the fuck do I care about people willing to die for me's status?

It's not like we don't have the occasional American foreign legion thread here anyway.

>>35179233
> people willing to die for me
I'm pretty sure that's a figure of speech and not why they enlist though. If you want a Foreign Legion, set one up instead of letting anyone join regardless of their immigration status, that's just decadent af imo.

>>35179233
You do and this is why the whole 'some immigrants face deportation" story makes no sense.

>>35179046
no its a clear term that avoids confusion between actual legal immigrants and someone who has entered the country illegally.

>>35178462
most likely the second one
if you ever see the older modeling things she did it looked exactly like a porn, someone probably just edited out the actual porn parts and is sitting on it for a while as blackmail or something

>>35179233
>What the fuck do I care about people willing to die for me's status?
To die for me? I'm not in Afghanistan, nor are any of my interests. I'm also not in Syria, Korea, Japan, Germany, or any of the other places where the government keeps its soldiers. It's none of my business who runs Helmand Province, and I don't think it's a particularly good use of my tax dollars to make the world safe for Hyundai, Samsung, and POSCO to drive General Motors, RCA, and National Steel into bankruptcy. In short, I'm not the government, and I don't see where the government's hired guns amount to "people willing to die for me".

So... no.

>>35179454
Not all illegal immigrants entered the country illegally. In fact most don't IIRC.

>>35179538
Yes you are, you're in all those places. The world is far more connected than you would have us believe.

criminal illegals -> immigrants
Muslims / Islamist -> Asians (lol)
Terrorism -> workplace violence

>>35179538
Isolationists should be shot.

>>35179566
>>35179594
Noninterventionism != isolationism. Someone once said about Ron Paul that calling him an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come on your property and break your windows. Pretty much. I'm perfectly willing to pay fair market prices for the things I want from people in other countries - I don't need to put my boot on their neck in some damn fool crusade to make Afghanistan run like Connecticut with sand. Even Bin Laden said that precisely nobody over in that part of the world is going to *not* sell America oil - the 1973 embargo was a massive fail and, as he put it, "it's not like we're going to drink it".

So please GTFO with the "muh troops" bullshit.

>>35178140
>Using a picture of USMC grunts
>Its not even an initial swear in, because recruits of all branches wear civvies

Wow, it's like the WaPo is lazy leftist trash that doesn't know or are about the military.

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>>35179701
That's not what the caption says, anon
> Lance Cpl. Diego Velazquez Valdivia leads the audience and fellow naturalized service members in the Pledge of Allegiance during a naturalization ceremony at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. (Marine Corps)

>>35178669
>old meme
>doesnt know how to reply
school started like 2 months ago didn't it? wtf why are summerfags still here

>>35179734
But the article is about the US Army. It's like they threw together this article without finding an appriopfiate photo and have to find something close-ish on file.

>>35179701
>Wow, it's like the WaPo is lazy leftist trash that doesn't know or are about the military.
maybe you should try reading

>>35179558
oh yes, people who overstay their visas, that doesn't change the fact that they are here illegally. I can understand illegal alien being a bit too hard but illegal immigrant is literally what they are, even disregarding that it has its origin as the politically correct term for illegal alien.

>>35178708
You hire "auxilary" to do the job that normal citizen soldiers don't want to do.....Which is......water dog specialist.

>>35181032
That's not what he meant at all.

>>35178669
>35178669
>using meme that became old in a few months
>not knowing how to quote

Avant Garde shitpost.

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Fucking good. Too many times the following is what happens.

>Wow I'm so glad I've gotten my citizenship
>Wow look at that guy I'm glad he got his citizenship I bet he can't wait to live as an American and appreciate his new future
>FUCK TRUMP ESSE MAN HE'S DUMB FUCK TRUMP MAN ESSE HE'S A DUMBASS HE'S UNEXPERIENCED SHIT SHIT FUCK TRUMP

SEND THEM ALL RIGHT BACK.

>>35181526
what

>>35178188
illegals finally getting what they deserve.
>but das racist
if you are a LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZEN, then you have nothing to worry about, I don't care what color or region you're from, if you want to be a US citizen you gotta either be born here or go through the immigration/citizenship process like everyone else.

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>>35181547
Far too often those that joined the Army to become naturalized citizens bring in their birth country's leftist communist ideologies and openly speak poorly of our President Donald J. Trump. They didn't join with a sense of duty or anything higher than a paycheck and often show little regard to our nation's history. While I would rather not hold anti immigrant sentiments and anti Semitic thoughts in my mind which never festers to actual prejudice, the god damn International Jews keep me from doing so.

>>35181566

An immigrant enlisting in order to gain citizenship is not the same as a Mexican walking across the border illegally you racist faggot /pol/

>>35181568
So... you're an idiot?

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>>35178140
>U.S. Army kills _ hundreds of immigrants

>>35178140
wakey wakey dreamers

>>35181584
I would reply to you but I don't understand what point you're making besides name calling.

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>>35178669

>>35181612
But you did reply to me.

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>>35181600
>Kinetic Deployment to the US/Mexico Border. IRAQ 2003 ROE.

>>35181624
Go back to r/guns

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>>35178669

Friendly Reminder: /k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment. Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/. >>>/pol/

>>35181657
It covers the military. This isn't really a political question, unless you're shallow enough to think that anything to do with immigrants is somehow political. This is about enlistments and shitty recruiters.

>>35181578
Legal immigrants are not the same as illegals, saying they are is a huge fuck you to anyone that followed the rules. Illegals shouldn't be allowed to serve or vote or collect benefits until they've sorted out their status, how can that be too much to ask?

>>35181814
>until they've sorted out their status, how can that be too much to ask?
Because it's practically impossible and making it possible is politically radioactive.

>>35179526
sauce? all I've seen of Claire is the swimsuit spin stuff from the the swimsuit sales

>>35178275
exactly, spics get a pass on breaking a law so I want a pass, too. maybe the law/pass can be the one about killing illegals....

How would ILLEGALS get in the military in the first place?
Are we talking about enlisted DACA?

And if so, allow me to scoff at "highly skilled immigrants" when we're not allowing Europeans to collaborate in aerospace or defense because MUH ITAR.

>>35178188
Hey, it's you again. Just how many .webms of this girl do you have saved, exactly?

>>35178188
oh sweetie no~

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>>35178669
Great. Now r/communism is here too. Fuck off nigger, we're full of libertarians and we're going to stay that way you leftist trash.

>>35181848
Honestly, I feel they should pay back taxes on all the money we spent on them and make them conditional residents, on the condition they commit no crimes. It's practically impossible to deport 11 million people without getting into some legal kerfuffle and shit like that.

>>35182303
Most of them do pay taxes - the IRS has a system set up just for this sort of situation so they can pay taxes without fear of deportation.

Taxman don't give a fuck about nothing but being paid.

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>>35179233
Beaner wants papers so he works four years in the chow hall. Yeah no, also I don't give a fuck if they were fighting and dying, we don't need any more beaners in this country, legal or not.

>>35179046
bleeding hearts like you are why this country is being overrun by mongrels

>>35181848
>practically impossible
No
t. legal immigrant

>>35182426
Yeah, and people win the lotto every week - that doesn't mean you're a winner.

>>35182454
these two things have nothing in common and you have no idea what you're talking about. good talk.

>>35182524
What are you talking about? There's literally a lottery on diversity visas.

Good. Fuck these criminals who violate our border laws. Fuck ooen-borders dumbshit leftists. Fuck spics and niggers.

>>35178140
They should get their citizenship first. I personally think that every US citizen between 18-30 should serve at least 3 years of active military service. The volunteer service is no longer adequate and to be honest we should not be having people from other countries that are not US citizens serving in our military. There are a lot of benefits to mandatory service if a person just thinks with an open mind.

>>35182754
I know I'm going into the NAVY after college

>>35182754
> every US citizen between 18-30 should serve
Your standards would have to be incredibly low, a modern army can't operate with so many borderline retards and/or people that don't want to be there. As much as I like the Starship Trooper memes, it's just not feasible.

>>35182826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldszn3unSEU

>>35178140
>contracts for

>>35182967
>a modern army can't operate with so many borderline retards
That's why the Marine Corps exists.

>>35179046
>if we tell people the simple truth in a straight forward manner, they'll come to conclusions that we don't like. Therefore we must lie through omission

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>>35178669
Better luck next time!

>>35178462
She's a liberal NY Jew. This should answer your questions.

>>35178140
The Trump admin is being bigoted and stupid, as always.

Can /k/ stop jerking off to this?
This is not /pol/.

>>35179594
>t. Military Industrial Complex

>>35182973
Faggots

>>35182052
>how many webms do you have of this girl
about 800

>>35178515

>WE WUZ FORCE SHAPED FOH YEARS
>When we do it it's k
>Any other country on this planet do it
>A) LEL YOU KEK
>B) LEL YOU [insert hyp Buzzword]

t.amerilards

sage.

>>35178169
>>doesn't doing anything illegal
>>gets called an illegal anyway, like a person can be classification for an act somehow
Your own supreme court ruled that this isn't a thing you dumb fuck.

>>35181526
>>a man disagrees with my opinions, as is his constitutionally guarenteed right as an American
>>HURRR DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT MY POLITICAL ENEMIES FOR DISAGREEING WI MEEEE
you are actually as bad as the libs you despise.

>>35178169
also left out the words Cartel Member

>>35183724
Would you be so kind to upload or torrent them?

yo retards

this is affecting legal immigrants who have skills that the military needs like "i speak the foreign language of ______ land" or "i'm a dentist"

>>35183929
Coming into the country without permission is illegal dumb ass

>>35184334

most undocumented immigrants came here on a visa and overstayed.

and not all MAVNIs are undocumented. most aren't.

>>35178234
did you mean gringo?

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>>35184560
>most undocumented immigrants came here on a visa and overstayed.

which is still illegal

Why is it so hard libcucks to use the word illegal?

>Hundreds

So less than a thousand. Less than a town. Wow it's nothing.

>>35182967
can you imagine the Medical bills for insulin as well as hospitalization rates of basic. trillions wasted on dead fatass.

>>35183938
>implying I care about muh freezepeach for libbies
They have never cared about mine, so I'll vote for a government that cuts their tongues out.

They have to go back.

>>35184636
Because they think feelings override laws for some God-forsaken reason.

>>35184636

you miss the part where they didn't come into the country without permission?

immigration visas and shit are racist holdovers from the early 1900's when we were worried about hordes of Irish and Italian and Chinese immigrants anyway and should be done away with.

>>35182303
It's easy to deport 40 million people. You do it the same way they came here. One or two at a time over ten years.

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>>35184749
t. paco

>>35184776

look up US immigration laws.

they were originally designed to keep the scandinavians, the germans, the irish, the italians, and the chinese out (in roughly that historical order).

>>35184749
But they overstayed their visa, hence breaking the fucking law. Immigration visas are there to limit immigration for the sole reason of keeping the lower classes relatively free of competition so they actually have an opportunity of moving up on the social ladder instead of competing with a foreign workforce, which usually are payed less and generally are more attractive to most business owners for that sole reason, and to get some of the brightest individuals of a country yet not taking so many that brain drain sets in. It's literally a net benefit to both sides of the equation since these countries get to keep the people that can become their entrepreneur class and their low wage work. Racist as they may be, they prevented creating a dramatic shift in the amount of individuals that are entering the workforce and the demand for jobs on both sides and are an unironic net benefit for both countries in question.

>>35184749
>Please rape my wife and children Juan
>That's right, stuff that spicy burrito right up my daughter's ass, really make it burn
>Dump your crema right in my little faggot son's anillo cafe
>Dump your little jumping beans in my wife's taco, wipe out her racist bloodline

t. Free border cuck

>>35184798
Yes, and...?

>>35184818

if you couldn't exploit illegal immigration status as a lever for underpaying workers, you wouldn't have to worry about unfairly competing. and if your country has a better infrastructure that encourages entrepreneurship over another country's, you'll have a net gain as job creators self-import themselves.

tl;dr immigration makes America greater.

>>35184831

so just like gun laws, they're tools of racist oppression and should be fought against.

>>35184856
Gun laws affect actual citizens. Denying entry to foreigners isn't oppression.

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>>35184856
>tl;dr immigration makes America greater.

Of course, you do realize that the working class is adversely affected by the influx of low-wage labor that comes into the country and taking in large sums of highly-skilled labor from one country causes brain-drain in a country, making it less economically viable, right? There's a responsible way to accept immigrants into this country is sparingly, so we don't fuck ourselves over and other countries over.

>>35184906
*There's a responsible way to accept immigrants into this country and that is sparingly

>>35184906
If the working class doesn't want to compete with low-wage immigrants, try reading books and getting an actual skill to make yourself more valuable than slave labor? You either want free market capitalism or you want Uncle Sam to restrict the markets so you get your GIBS (in the form of a job you wouldn't have in a freer market).

>>35184921
>If the working class doesn't want to compete with low-wage immigrants, try reading books and getting an actual skill to make yourself more valuable than slave labor?
Or we could just not bring in hordes of low-skilled immigrant labor here. Not everyone has to go to college to get $10,000-$50,000 in debt in order to specialize in something, in most cases something probably useless. If that were the case, then who the fuck would be farming for us, not to mention the a fact that the Rustbelt's manufacturing is probably the biggest factor in America becoming a superpower in the first place. Low wage labor has always been a thing in the US since it's inception. Just because it involves very little skill doesn't mean it's useless. You sound like a typical upper-middle class liberal cunt saying shit like that. And have you considered that there's a possibility that if we restricted the gov't weren't influenced by large corporations and the like (who are largely the ones pushing for shit like this) and have them actually do what it's meant to do like protect worker's and consumer's alike and maybe put tarriffs on the odd state here and there , then maybe we might not exactly have a free market but what we'll have is pretty damn close.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23433

>>35184965
Here's a direct link to that article:
http://ftp.iza.org/dp10806.pdf

>>35178140
Good, I'm a legal immigrant and now citizen. These illegal fucks need to get in line.

>WaPo
Fake news.

>>35184965
You're going to great lengths to defend what are, essentially, government handouts. In this case, it's not a direct transfer payment, but rather supporting wage standards that wouldn't exist in a free market where labor and capital could flow over boarders as necessary to meet the demands of any specific industry.

Look, you're right you don't have to go to college and invest in yourself. But if you choose not to don't be a little baby and beg for handouts like Tyrone because ''MUH MEXICANS!'' You're no different than the bum who sips his SSID check away on some street corner. Who would farm for us? I just told you. Cheap, available, immigrant labor. Why? They would do it for less then I wouldn't have to spend as much as I do on groceries.

No, fuck you and your socialists bullshit. The U.S. doesn't need any more industry regulations. First you want GIBS now you want restrict growth via legislation? Get out, commie. Get the fuck out.

>>35181578
A Mexican, in Mexico, applying for the citizenship through service program is different than an illegal Mexican, illegally in the US applying for the same program, you lefty retard nigger

>>35178140
Lotta gangs in the Military Branches (Excluding maybe Air Force and Coast Guard). If this means less gangs to disrupt Unit Cohesion, it's probably a good thing.

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>>35184192
>would you upload or torrent them
no i'm a boring person, the only thing i have going for me is uploading claires. there is an archive thread on /gif/ of a megaupload of all her clips that you could probably find. she gets posted there a fair bit

>>35181848
>because it's impossible to follow the law
Too bad. Go suck a huge bag of dicks, you nigger. I did it. I'm a Dominican in the US 100% legally and also went through the army for fun (OK, college)

>>35178140
In other news, Trump creates hundreds of jobs for Americans.

>>35184906
>taking in large sums of highly-skilled labor from one country causes brain-drain in a country

This, and taking poor people in doesn't ultimately solve the problem of poverty in said countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

>>35185013
I want you to point out where I said anything remotely socialist in a clear and coherent way. Also, wages go down for the most part when large sums of immigrant labor is put into the market. So yeah, your groceries would be cheaper, but market pressures would force you to earn less on average, and you'd be spending a higher ratio of your money on the groceries than if American labor had been used to make those groceries. You just don't fucking understand economics, from looking at your posts.

>>35185050
He's already created a lot of jobs...for defense attorneys. If you're a lobbyist and want to donate to the legal defense of Team Trump, you can now thanks to an ethics waver.

''In a reversal of internal policy, the Office of Government Ethics says funds benefiting aides caught up in Russia probes may accept anonymous gifts from lobbyists.''

DRAIN THE SWAMP

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/13/trump-ethics-watchdog-legal-defense-242690

>>35185090
I have to admit, I was purposely trying to swallow the libertarian position by arguing it. It caused me a great deal of pain to type what I did, a great deal of pain.

I'm actually in favor of a point-based system.

>>35184856
>>35184921
>>35185013
>conveniently ignores the cultural impact of importing third-worlders en masse
Free-market cultists should be shot.

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>>35185109
This position.

https://www.lp.org/platform/

>>35184707
>>I shall become what I hate to destroy what I hate, thereby making everything worse for everyone including myself
>>what is government power being used against me in the future after there are no more natural enemies to destroy
good job, you secret statist shitstain.

>>35184636
>comes into country legally
>gets called illegal for some reason
And you've got the balls to say I have comprehension issues, cuckposter?

>>35185166
This is one of the many reasons I won't become part of the Libertarian Party: They're too ideological. Maybe not as much as a Democrat and a Republican, but it's still there and it's kind of annoying. I wish they were more practical and thought about the socio-economic effects of their policies on the average American.

>>35184821
>muh weird sexually violent fantasies that always involve my family
>mud dick's hard for some reason
>muh imagining sexual degeneracy involving children
seek help, you fucking slime

>>35184707
>I don't know what the ACLU is
>I don't know what the first amendment is
>I want to destroy the latter to spite my enemies
You are actually, somehow, becoming worse than the libs.
That is some impressive faggotry.

>>35184746
>words have meanings
>nuh uh u just like me u only no feelies
kys

>>35185205
If you're ready for some real #HeadDesk moments, look at their 2016 platform. It reads like an undergraduate dried up, sliced, and mixed the fine white powder of pages from Rothbard, Hayek, and Sowell together before proceeding to snort all of it over the course of one long night at the library computer.

>>35185220
>I don't know what the ACLU is
Everyone knows what the ACLU is, it's the JIDF IRL.

>>35185226
>Overstaying your visa isn't breaking the law because we're a lawless shithole like Ancient Germania or modern-day Somolia
We have laws on the book that deal with these things, you know. And seeing as we're talking about American jurisdiction, they're the most objective viewpoint when it comes to something related to the law.

>>35185260
>>the people who want everyone to be covered by the first amendment, including you, are sekrit jews
They're not hiding in the bushes and they're not out to get you.
Take your meds, uncle.

>>35185261
>I'll make up some shit to attack a strawman that's much weaker than what the other guy actually said.
the absolute state of /k/, folks.
I didn't say they weren't breaking the law by overstaying. Ding 'em for that, sure, but don't call 'em illegal immigrates when they don't immigrate illegally.
When you decide that words retroactively mean different things to fuck over people you don't like, you acting like an SJW.

>>35185281
It literally is Jews Jewing though.

>>35185294
But they're over staying their visa, which is illegal, and they're immigrants. Hence they're illegal immigrants.

>>35185038
This girl is so close to perfection.

>>35185309
Also, you realize that you can have your legal status revoked by the authorities for really any felony, which overstaying your visa is one, right?

>>35185119

third worlders like the Irish refugees during the potato famine?

>>35185309
Except they didn't immigrate illegally, which means that calling them illegal immigrants doesn't make sense because it makes them sound like they immigrated illegally. Which they didn't.
Call 'em overstayers or something.

>>35183929
Red necks don't recognize the authority of the supreme court
That's why they claim a ton of shit is unconstitutional despite SCOTUS rulings

>>35185297
>jews doing a thing in groups automatically makes them a conspiracy out to sap and impurify our bodily fluids and/or the irl JIDF
>jews protecting the first amendment rights of all-comers=sekrit conspiracy to BLACKED the white wimmins
Meds, uncle. Listen to the nurse and take your meds.

>>35185343
Yes.

>>35185347
It doesn't matter if they crossed illegally or they over stayed their visas illegally. Their legal status is that they're in the country illegally and they are immigrants from another country, hence they're illegal immigrants.

>>35185351
>I, a man who is not a constitutional lawyer with no power, can decide what is or is not constitutional for a whole nation
yeah that's fucking great who cares?

>>35185369
>he doesn't realise that this makes melania trump an illegal
>tarring the president's wife with the same brush as actual probable cartel infiltrators
You are fake news and a false flag.
>>>/reddit/

>>35185201
So they're illegal aliens, which can still be abbreviated to "illegals". Do you have any arguments or are you just here to quibble over semantics?

>>35185395
Are you going to argue over other meaningless tripe than the actual legal fucking definition of the term? If that's the case, then please leave you stupid redditor.

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>>35183929
>>doesn't doing anything illegal

Stop lying using green text.

America should do to Mexico what they do to us. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

>>35185416
You can't even use the basic terminology correctly. It's undocumented alien or undocumented immigrant.
Who needs a lesson in basic definitions again?

>>35185437
see >>35185408

>>35185423
>I'll post a series of lies in an image, which is better than someone telling the truth via quoting.
>I'll then advocate for fucking with Mexico in a way that mexican immigrants don't come close to matching in America
What did he mean by this?

>>35185437
But according to US law, an immigrant without any sort of documentation or with invalid is breaking the law. Hence they're illegal aliens or illegal immigrants. it's not hard to use logic, you bleeding heart idiot.

>>35185450
Using incorrect terminology in an attempt to rebutt the charge of using terminology incorrectly is fucking retarded.
See >>>>35185437

>>35183646
You mean "being fucking awesome as always." Friend, where can I send your free MAGA hat and membership in the Donald Jayberius Trumpasaurs Rex Fan Club?

Ha ha, friend, I kid. We already know exactly where you are.

>>35185455
"basic logic" frequently leads to fucking stupid misuses of the english language.
like this one.
the court system uses undocumented alien or undocumented immigrant; those are the actual terms.
use them or admit you need a meany weany label for them scurry beaners already.

That kind of sucks, I had a couple legit good guys from US territories who were in basic with me, does this effect them?

>>35178669
This needs to stop. /k/ is not a progressive board and it doesn't matter how much you say it that will never change.

>>35185457
Show me all those places in the United States Code it says "undocumented immigrant" instead of "illegal alien".
Oh, wait, you can't! Because "undocumented" is a euphemism for the proper terminology, which is "ILLEGAL".

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>>35178140
lets play a game shall we?


>recruits could be deported!!!!

they are not servicemen yet they just signed some shit.

>highly skilled immigrants

im sorry UmBUROO but the online degree you have from your "college" in nigeria isnt "highly skilled" or recognized by anyone but our thirsty ass military.


>they are shredding the contracts!!!!1!/!/!3

"they wont take me up on my contract because its an incredible pain in the ass compared to the normal citizen who is more capable as an English speaking native QQ"


ill tell you whats going on OP.
desu trumpu is cleaning house on all the immigration shit show hoops.

and thank god too, the fucking africans and south american fuckers who cant do their job for shit in the military will finally be put to an end. they flooooood in with fake degrees so they can get into the US, and then they sham and flake out during their time in service.
>cant shoot
>cant march
>cant speak english
>cant perform simple tasks
>cant be found when needed
>cant be counted on
>cant be given responsibility
>cant do their fucking job

theres a reason most of them are put in shit MOS where they cant fuck shit up.
they are not here to help america, they are here for a 3 year sham job and a free ride.

>>35185476
>the court system uses undocumented alien or undocumented immigrant
But it's understood from US immigration laws, that an individual that has immigrated from another country without any sort of documentation or invalid documentation is breaking the law. It's not a matter using a mean label so much as it's literally calling them what they are: their legal status is that they're breaking US immigration laws and hence are here illegally and they're immigrants from another counrty. Not that hard to parse,m80

>>35185498
>I'll use a label that obfuscates their actual legal status for some reason and then claim I'm on the side of truth
Ok, m90.

>>35185510
It's like calling a sine wave a cosine wave: they both describe the same mathematical object with similar properties, although maybe one is used in a more formal manner. It still doesn't change the fact they are the same thing fundamentally.

>>35185489
lol Plyler V. Doe (1982) literally uses the term "illegal alien", but I'll complain about sekrit euphemisms for teh bleedan heartzors like a massive paranoid faggot instead of using the actual terminology.

>>35185521
Again, you're going into semantics and how people say things instead of what is actually the case based on a certain group of axioms (in this case US immigration law). This is the type of arguing I would expect a Redditor to engage in: talk about the details, not the substance.

>>35185529
>cite a court case which uses the term "illegal alien"
>as evidence that "illegal alien" isn't the proper terminology
Boy...

>>35185521
>what is optics in politics
yeah it's almost like falsely presenting people who came here legally as people who came here illegally changes how americans view them and their constitutional rights
nah can't be it, must be the beaners

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>>35185451

I told you to stop lying.

>>35185545
>uses one uncited example from an image macro of unknown provenance as proof of a general trend
>gets angry about muh liars muh liars muh liars
You've got some balls calling me anything.

>>35185543
You'll find that that I objected to "illegal immigrant", which is in substance a false description of people who, like the First Lady, came here legally.
Your point is?

>>35185544
But they overstayed their visa, which is an illegal offense if we presume US immigration laws are true (if it's an axiom). And they're immigrants from another country (which we also presume). hence they're illegal immigrants (i.e. immigrants that have broken US immigration laws). Again, not that hard to follow

>>35185565
You also claimed here >>35185437 that the proper term was "undocumented alien/immigrant". The point of contention is and has been for this entire conversation the word "illegal".

>>35185540
Given that calling them illegal immigrants makes them sound like they came here illegally when quite a few came here legally and therefore aren't illegally immigrating...
That is literally substance. That is the substance of the argument.
Muh reddit boogeyman is a nice distraction from this but it doesn't change anything.

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>>35185578
>Given that calling them illegal immigrants makes them sound like they came here illegally when quite a few came here legally and therefore aren't illegally immigrating
It's not how it sounds to people. It's what is the fucking case in reality. They broke US immigration laws by not reporting in and renewing their visas, which is required by US immigration law and they're immigrants. Thus, as per US immigration laws, they've had they're legal status revoked (maybe post facto, but it's still revoked), so they're illegal immigrants. I don't fucking know how hard it is to follow a simple syllogism. It's not even Godel's Incompleteness Proof, it's a simple syllogism.

>>35185571
Saying that "illegal immigrant" can only mean "an immigrant who has generally in some sense broken US immigration law" is a worthless statement. It can pretty clearly be reasonably interpreted to mean "immigrant who came here illegally", and frequently is. That interpretation is false. A term which has such a massive ambiguity in it is unfit for purpose. Calling them undocumented immigrants or undocumented aliens is more accurate and more specific.
If they never immigrated illegally, then definitionally they can't be illegal immigrants.
Saying that you can put "illegal" and "immigrant" together like >>35185571
and get a useful term of art is like saying that "illegal gunowner" is a useful descriptor.
Spoilers: it isn't.

>>35185605
See >>35185602

>>35185602
See>>35185605
Simple syllogisms aren't inherently valuable, my man.

>>35185622
No they are. You just want to argue semantics and about how people might perceive things. But you don't want to argue about the actual logic behind the reasoning for calling them illegal immigrants, hence why you talk about the more subjective psychological side of how someone might interpret the term instead of the more objective legal justification for using the term.

>>35185558
>Tony Yapias

>>35185041
You got it through the DV program, and not family reunification?

You're lucky as shit, go buy a lotto ticket.

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>>35178140
>all the retards in this thread insisting all undocumented immigrants have committed crimes
>not knowing that overstaying a visa results in a civil suit and not a criminal trial
Do you stupid niggers also think that you're charging your employer with a crime if you sue for wrongful termination?

>>35185602
>They broke US immigration laws by not reporting in and renewing their visas
Who gives a shit?

>>35185668
>I Have No Argument, And I Must Post

>>35185668
The US law agencies, specifically the ones dealing with immigration like ICE.

>2 U.S. Code § 658 - Definitions
>For purposes of this part:
>(5) Federal intergovernmental mandate
>The term “Federal intergovernmental mandate” means—
>(A) any provision in legislation, statute, or regulation that—
>(ii) would reduce or eliminate the amount of authorization of appropriations for—
>(II) the control of borders by the Federal Government; or reimbursement to State, local, or tribal governments for the net cost associated with *ILLEGAL*, deportable, and excludable *ALIENS*, including court-mandated expenses related to emergency health care, education >or criminal justice; when such a reduction or elimination would result in increased net costs to State, local, or tribal governments in providing education or emergency health care to, or incarceration of, *ILLEGAL ALIENS*; except that this subclause shall not be in >effect with respect to a State, local, or tribal government, to the extent that such government has not fully cooperated in the efforts of the Federal Government to locate, apprehend, and deport *ILLEGAL ALIENS*;

>8 U.S. Code § 1252c - Authorizing State and local law enforcement officials to arrest and detain certain *ILLEGAL ALIENS*
>(a) In general
>Notwithstanding any other provision of law, to the extent permitted by relevant State and local law, State and local law enforcement officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who—
>(1) is an *ALIEN* *ILLEGALLY PRESENT* in the United States; and

>>35185663
That doesn't change the fact that their legal status has been revoked by US immigration law agencies. Sure they probably won't go after them fervently, but they're still here illegally.

>>35185201
how hard is it for you to grasp that once you stay in country past the allotted time, you are in illegal status and not welcome?

if you are supposed to leave a hotel on thursday, but stay until sunday, were you not trespassing just because at one point you were allowed in the hotel?

>>35185698

>8 U.S. Code § 1330 - Collection of penalties and expenses
>(b)
>(3)
>(A) The Secretary of the Treasury shall refund out of the Immigration Enforcement Account to any appropriation the amount paid out of such appropriation for expenses incurred by the Attorney General for activities that enhance enforcement of provisions of this >subchapter. Such activities include—
>(iii) for the repair, maintenance, or construction on the United States border, in areas experiencing high levels of apprehensions of *ILLEGAL ALIENS*, of structures to deter illegal entry into the United States.

>8 U.S. Code § 1356 - Disposition of moneys collected under the provisions of this subchapter
>(r) Breached Bond/Detention Fund
>(3) Such amounts as are deposited into the Fund shall remain available until expended and shall be refunded out of the Fund by the Secretary of the Treasury, at least on a quarterly basis, to the Attorney General for the following purposes—
>(ii) for expenses associated with the detention of *ILLEGAL ALIENS*.

8 U.S. Code § 1365 - Reimbursement of States for costs of incarcerating *ILLEGAL ALIENS* and certain Cuban nationals
(a) Reimbursement of States
Subject to the amounts provided in advance in appropriation Acts, the Attorney General shall reimburse a State for the costs incurred by the State for the imprisonment of any *ILLEGAL ALIEN* or Cuban national who is convicted of a felony by such State.
(b) *ILLEGAL ALIENS* convicted of a felony
An *ILLEGAL ALIEN* referred to in subsection (a) is any alien who is any alien convicted of a felony who is in the United States unlawfully and—

>>35185708

>8 U.S. Code § 1366 - Annual report on criminal aliens
>Not later than 12 months after September 30, 1996, and annually thereafter, the Attorney General shall submit to the Committees on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and of the Senate a report detailing—
>(1) the number of *ILLEGAL ALIENS* incarcerated in Federal and State prisons for having committed felonies, stating the number incarcerated for each type of offense;
>(2) the number of *ILLEGAL ALIENS* convicted of felonies in any Federal or State court, but not sentenced to incarceration, in the year before the report was submitted, stating the number convicted for each type of offense;

>8 U.S. Code § 1621 - Aliens who are not qualified aliens or nonimmigrants ineligible for State and local public benefits
>(d) State authority to provide for eligibility of *ILLEGAL ALIENS* for State and local public benefits

>42 U.S. Code § 6705 - Limitations on use of grants
>(e) Performance of projects by State or local governments prohibited; competitive bidding; *ILLEGAL ALIENS*

>49 U.S. Code § 40125 - Qualifications for public aircraft status
>(a)Definitions.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
>(2)Governmental function.—
>The term “governmental function” means an activity undertaken by a government, such as national defense, intelligence missions, firefighting, search and rescue, law enforcement (including transport of prisoners, detainees, and *ILLEGAL ALIENS*), aeronautical research, >or biological or geological resource management.

"Undocumented" is nothing but a euphemism. "Illegal" is the correct terminology.

>>35185701
Something being "illegal" requires a crime to have been committed, which is not the case if they only have to deal with a civil suit.

>>35185678
As a practical matter, who gives a shit? Why are your panties in a fucking twist over it? It's fucking asinine.

I'll never understand why you people have such a stick up your ass about people being here.

>>35185724
Being in a country illegally is a crime

you are in the country illegally when you are no longer welcome there

at this point you are either stupid or just trolling; you should probably find something better to do with your Saturday

>>35185702
Literally this. I mean it's the best analogy so far really. A hotel allows you to stay there as long as you say you're going to stay there to the manager and whatnot, and as soon as you overstay, you're trespassing. It's not even modern logic, this is basic syllogisms that the Greeks did

>>35185724
They've had their legal status revoked by US immigration authorities for breaking US immigration law. They did break the law, that being overstaying their visa and they had their legal status revoke. It's not fucking rocket science.

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>>35185736

>>35185741
Except they aren't being charged with a crime when they're deported, see my first post here: >>35185663

>>35185753
Answer my question.

>>35185776
>why do citizens of a sovereign nation care about preserving the integrity of its borders

>>35185782
Yes you autistic fuck, that was my question.

>>35185792
Because it ceases to be a sovereign nation when they're not, turdmongler.

>>35185807
So if a country has permissive borders, it stops existing altogether?

>>35185820
It will, and in visible time.

>>35185761
Maybe but they have they're visa revoked and their visa being the grounds of their legal residence in the US, that means if they stay in the US further, they're here illegally.

>>35185351
>supreme court
>determining constitutionality
That's actually the constitution. Please consider emigrating, giving yourself up for deportation, or killing yourself.

>>35185825
So up until 1882 with the Chinese Exclusion Act, the United States faded from existence?

>>35178180

>immigrants smart enough to not take the shittiest military jobs
>but muh combat roles

Enjoy your fucked knees, back and potential other issues because you wanted to shoot at brown people. Could have been a cop instead and make more money without risking your life in Kazfuckingstan for big pharma.

>>35185845
As Americans knew it in the 19th century, it was in the process of it, yes.

>>35185761
You forget that non-citizens don't have rights.

>>35185853
What

>>35185895
Yes.

>>35185835
>they're here illegally
>if I repeat a lie enough it will become true
Again, if people who overstayed their visas were committing a crime then they'd have criminal trials instead of civil trials.

>>35185895
The french and spics were attempting to obstruct our manifest destiny because our borders didn't exist.

>>35185904
>illegal (comparative more illegal, superlative most illegal)
>Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
Note how it says "especially", not "exclusively".

>>35185904
>US immigration laws are a lie
A visa is basically a legal waiver that signals that the person carrying it is a non-citizen that has is recognized as a legal resident by any other party within the country. If you overstay your visa, then that legal recognition is gone, hence you're here illegally. And they say /leftypol/ is more intelligent than /pol/

>>35185954
Also >>35185936

>>35185911
That is an abject lie and you know it.

>>35185987
Explain the mexican-american war.

>>35185736
Because they suck up a disproportionate amount of tax dollars compared to how much they contribute

Because they drive down wages for American blue collar workers

Because they commit a disproportionately large amount of crime compared to white americans

Why do you give a shit if they all get kicked out? The less Mestizos we have, the better

>>35185954
If they're doing something illegal, then why are they only given a civil trial instead of a criminal trial?

>you don't agree with me, therefore you must be /leftypol/
Jesus.

>>35186008
America wanted and took Mexican clay.

>>35186026
By that logic, littering isn't illegal because they on;y fine you a charge for it, instead of cucking you in front of your face and sentencing you to jail time

>>35186034
Alternatively, spics illegally expanded into american territory and then proceeded to further violate NAP after texas wanted to join america.

>>35186042
*only

>>35186042
Except you can challenge it in court and can be sent to jail if you don't pay.

>>35186021
>Because they suck up a disproportionate amount of tax dollars compared to how much they contribute
(Citation needed)
>Because they drive down wages for American blue collar workers
They can't work most blue collar jobs, and wages are depressed because both unemployment was high and people are averse to negotiating better conditions for their employment.
>Because they commit a disproportionately large amount of crime compared to white americans
If we don't know who and where they are, how can you say that with any certainty?
>Why do you give a shit if they all get kicked out? The less Mestizos we have, the better
Oh, I see. This is all justification for your issues.

>>35186059
Yeah, but you won't get sent to court for the actual act of littering itself, just refusing to pay the fine they give you. Also that same logic applies to a speed ticket. Just because there's a civil case rather than a criminal case doesn't mean it's not illegal.

>>35185574
They are literally illegal immigrants.

Kill yourself leftist faggot.

>>35186021
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they also vote overwhelmingly against my right to own guns for their own personal economic advancement.

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>>35186064
I don't have any who could be behind this post images labeled, so please pretend that this is one of those.
Or if you wish, pretend it is one of those images that shows that is X, and then advises to hide X threads and ignore X posts.

>>35186049
You could say that, and you'd be wrong. The Mexican-American War was the Iraq War of it's day - everyone knew it was horseshit from the get go.

>>35186087
Read the reply chain before you run your mouth off, retard. I was arguing that "illegal" is the correct terminology.

>>35186105
>I don't have any who could be behind this post images labeled
But how would we know you're an epic meme lord if you don't tell us?

>>35186109
Yes, illegal immigrants.

Now git faggot

>>35186114
The intent is to express the notion that engaging with a shitpost does no good, and the easiest way to do so is with an image.
My image isn't properly labeled/sorted, so It is easier for my to type to communicate the issue than it is to sort through hundreds of thousands of images.

>>35186135
"Illegal immigrant" is just another euphemism for "illegal alien".

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>>35186064
TABLE 7–1 Participation Rates of Households in Means-Tested Welfare Programs, 1994–1996 (percent)


AFDC
Food Stamps
Medicaid
Housing Assistance
Hispanic
11.8
20.1
24.5
9.1
Non-Hispanic White
2.7
5.7
8.3
3.5
Non-Hispanic Black
14.0
23.3
27.0
15.3
American Indian and Aleut. Eskimo
15.6
24.5
43.8
11.4
Asian and Pacific Islander
4.9
7.1
13.5
5.3

SOURCE: Authors’ tabulations from the March 1994, 1995, and 1996 Current Population Surveys.

There are plenty of jobs that they can work. Landscaping is a prime example. There are thousands of illegal landiapers in this country because it pays relatively well and under the table. People choose illegal landscapers to save on cost. This hurts American businesses and workers.

And Americans are not "averse" to negotiating for higher wages. They simply have no leverage anymore because they can quickly and easily be replaced with wet back scabs if they even think of collectivizing.

>Durr how can we know if they're illegal if they're undocumented, checkmate

Gee I dunno, maybe by doing 2 seconds of investigation when they're arrested.

>You hate Latino-Americans because you're inadequate

I hate illegals because their presence hurts both my own personal wealth as well as the well-being of my countrymen, which I feel some stake in.

>>35186207
Those are stats from twenty years ago, before the changes to welfare under the Clinton administration, with no comment to immigration or why those groups used social services to the extent that they did.

If you're going to pretend to debate, at least make a good show of it for the crowd.

>>35178140
Hahahahahahahahaahaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa!!!!!!
>>35178180
and this.
>>35178462
she is blown out because of all the negreos, smells like fish, and is only skinny because of the Ritalin and meth.

>>35186064
>>Because they suck up a disproportionate amount of tax dollars compared to how much they contribute
>(Citation needed)
Are you retarded? They pay 0 taxes.

>>Because they commit a disproportionately large amount of crime compared to white americans

Nevermind you are LITERALLY retarded. They already commit more crimes per capita than Caucasians and those are the documented ones. By more than double no less.

>>35186317
>Are you retarded? They pay 0 taxes.
You know full well this isn't true. Stop making shit up.

>>35186321
I'll wait for proof of undocumented immigrants tax contribution if you want to show me.

>>35186254
there are more modern statistics that break things down by race, immigration, citizenship, and what generation.
They paint a far worse picture.

tl;dr
if you aren't white or non-chinese oriental, then you are more than likely harming america.

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>>35186254
Ok here's another one. This only compares lawful and unlawful immigrants, so the disparity is greater for natives vs unlawful

>>35186330
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/

As I've already stated in this thread: the IRS doesn't give a shit about someone's status, they just want to get paid.

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>>35186361

>>35186369
It'd be nice if they paid as much as they cost us.

>>35186361
>>35186375
>the heritage foundation
You could try a bit harder you know.

>>35186386
Would you prefer the splc or frankfurt institute?

>>35186386
You're going to attack my sources after you just post clickbait from the Atlantic? LMAO

How about address the methodology if you think there's something wrong with it.

>>35186385
You can't cost someone if they don't use social services.

>>35186450
>You're going to attack my sources
Yes.

>>35178669
This is remarkably impressive shitposting.

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>>35186466
fuck off you open borders faggot

>>35186481
Nice infographic. Better quality than the ones you people usually peddle.

I'd really like to see the data behind those "numbers".

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>>35184707

>>35186471
Because you have no arguments. Guaranteed you post shit from the SPLC, Salon or other leftist organizations. Filthy spic leftist fuck.

>>35186466
I know a teacher who has loads of undocumented kids in their school. They do use our social services.

>>35186466
They do use social services though. Police, fire, roads, child care, education, food assistance and more.

>>35186496
I wouldn't call education a social service. I suppose you could though, if you wanted to stretch it.

>>35186489
http://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-and-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2013

retarded cunt

>>35186489
if you want to, you're free to email them. They'll probably be more than happy to provide you with the raw data.
But that would take effort, and your're a marxist...

>>35186509
>retarded cunt
Now now, there's no need for name calling.

>>35186495
He already cited the fucking Atlantic. He'll be citing Huffington Post and Politifact next.

>>35186513
You're an open borders Marxist retard. Go back to Mexico along with your pet spics.

>>35186532
You sound frustrated.

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>>35186471
shut the fuck up nobody likes you

>>35186513
I almost wonder if you're a /pol/ false flagger acting like a faggot and posting terrible arguments to make /k/ more right wing. Then again they're usually not so good at pretending. If so though, 10/10.

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>>35186545
You got BTFO itt and all you coukd do is whine about sources that don't fit your narrative while you're a guaranteed HuffPo browser.

Kill yourself Marxist fuck. You and your ideology are complete failures.

>>35186509
The data is misleading; they charge $7.8b to illegal immigrants as if the people inherently require that much money. Things like ICE and detention centers are caused by the reaction to immigrants, not immigrants proper, and can be scaled independently.

If anything the study says the status quo costs the public money, but it conveniently leaves out the various remedies and their benefits/drawbacks. It also doesn't acknowledge the economic benefit these people bring, which is several billion dollars at least if memory serves.

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>>35186547
I like me.

>>35186369
First off your link doesn't split personal and work tax filing on their behalf, and I find a different number on every site so the legitimacy is kind of questionable. It kind of seems like a grasping for straws thing. But I digress.


Second. You mean the ones cashing out on ITIN tax systems, like the one they pay jack shit to so they can circumvent the system and receive some benefits , then use our tax supported hospitals to have children who then get to use ALL of our benefits?

And that's on a federal level, local government is more legally obligated to help and have the stress the federal government doesn't want. Like schooling and healthy eating programs?

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>>35186568
If the comment is short, "smug," belittling (e.g. like "hun" or other parent-like talk), and ends with a period, it's an unironic leftist.

Based on experience, that's how they always talk online when they're cornered during an argument. It's how their brain shuts down. Don't know why though.

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>>35185038
I WAS NOT EXPECTING THE TANLINE. ~UWAAAAA I AM DEFEAT

>>35186598
Illegals only pay about 11b a year in state and local taxes. Not nearly enough to offset the costs.

In short you are completely and utterly fucking retarded. Are you saying ICE needs to be abolished because it costs money to maintain our borders? Shit fuck laws and police man. Wtf I love open borders now.

>>35186385
Cis.org

"The average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.

The average immigrant household consumes 33 percent more cash welfare, 57 percent more food assistance, and 44 percent more Medicaid dollars than the average native household. Housing costs are about the same for both groups.

At $8,251, households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico have the highest welfare costs of any sending region — 86 percent higher than the costs of native households.

Illegal immigrant households cost an average of $5,692 (driven largely by the presence of U.S.-born children), while legal immigrant households cost $6,378.

The greater consumption of welfare dollars by immigrants can be explained in large part by their lower level of education and larger number of children compared to natives. Over 24 percent of immigrant households are headed by a high school dropout, compared to just 8 percent of native households. In addition, 13 percent of immigrant households have three or more children, vs. just 6 percent of native households."

Just saying.

>>35186545
DAMAGE CONTROL. AHAHAHA

You are just wrong dude, there is no debating it and if it was absurdly unjust people WORLDWIDE would be up in arms.

>>35186634
https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households#1

If people are interested. Sources are all post 1996 so that Clinton bullshit won't fly either.

>>35186628
>Are you saying ICE needs to be abolished because it costs money to maintain our borders?
No, I'm saying it's a cost that doesn't need to be borne. There's nothing that says we have to spend that much money on ICE - it's just one response to the current problem - and there are better solutions at hand.

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The central reason why conservatives hate illegal immigration is that if they get citizenship (not a matter of if- it WILL happen. I fear that will be the next bid agenda for Democrat party) they will most likely vote Democrat for the benefits.

Reagan, not a Democrat, was the one that actually gave amnesty for millions of illegals, and yet most of them and their children overwhelmingly voted Democrat.

Say bye to your guns.

>>35186624
I thought I was the only one who noticed this, I'm a spec in the sea of my generation. I hate it so much...

>>35186702
>there are better solutions at hand.
Death penalty for illegal immigration and those whose home country refuses to accept.
Cheaper and more effective.

>>35186758
>Reagan, not a Democrat, was the one that actually gave amnesty for millions of illegals, and yet most of them and their children overwhelmingly voted Democrat.
It's hard to vote for someone who hates you and spits on you. Conservatives would've cracked the black and latino vote years ago if they didn't dedicate a large part of their platform into shitting on those groups. Do you really think gay marriage and transgender rights are plank issues for either group?

>>35186624
>If the comment is short, "smug," belittling (e.g. like "hun" or other parent-like talk), and ends with a period, it's an unironic leftist.
Grammar and wit are "leftist" now. Good to know.

>>35186842
Both of those grouos love gibs and social services. Spics in Latin America overwhelmingly vote for leftist parties every time. Their entire region is a sea of failed socialist shitholes.

>>35186893
See, if you weren't an autistic sperg, you might actually attract friends and get the things you really want. But you are, so you can't, and then you bitterly complain about everyone else around you when you can't have your way.

>>35186842
>>If the comment is short, "smug," belittling (e.g. like "hun" or other parent-like talk), and ends with a period, it's an unironic leftist.
>Grammar and wit are "leftist" now. Good to know.

How did you misunderstand this that hard? Are you in fact, a leftist?

And to be honest, justifying belittling someone as "Wit" really makes you sound like a fedora lord and it is not something normal people or people born before 1990 really do.

You sound like a cookie cutter leftist millennial desu

>>35186842
Conservatives will never win the black and Latino vote so long as conservatives oppose the welfare state. And it doesn't matter how much they act like castrated little bitches and denounce racism since they will always always be portrayed as nazis because it's the party white people tend to vote for.

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>>35186961
>(You)

>>35186977
So don't and get gun rights instead. Or just wait it out, since gun control is all but dead in the Democratic caucus as it is.

I dunno, what do you really want?

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