>cavalry "saber"
>has a straight blade
What did Patton mean by this?
>>35174550
He meant that you're a dumb nigger
>>35174550
Run a nigga through, kill him in seconds not minutes, don't be a bitch, hold on to the sword.
There's a number of sabres from the late 19th century and onwards that have straight blades. The modern sport fencing sabre is also straight, and odds are that it's the straightening of fencing sabres sin the 19th century that resulted in straight military sabres as the men who designed them (officers with a fencing interest) would tend to have been raised on a sport fencing diet. Patton himself is a late example thereof, being a pretty accomplished sport fencer, seen here competing against lieutenant Mas Lattrie in 1912.
>>35174583
Huh, I thought the concept was a straight blade is better at stabbing. Didn't realize there was that sort of history behind it.
What's left of the epée he used can nowadays be seen in the Musée de la Cavalerie in Saumur.
>>35174575
>kill him in seconds not minutes
Maybe, maybe not.
http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/bloody.php
http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/kill2.php
And there's always Phineas Gage of course.
>>35174592
The heavy focus sport fencing ended up placing on the thrust even for sabre probably played a large part in straighten the sabre blades there.
Now while a straight blade would certainly seem more intuitive for stabbing, and may also be better in most cases for the task, I would also like of point out that a curved blade allows for a lot of interesting tricks when it comes to both attacking with and defending against thrusts. IF we start with both opponents standing there with their swords against each other, twisting your sword to pout the edge against his makes it effectively a lot wonder, allowing you to displace his blade without shifting your tip off-target. On the offence, you can twist it the other way around, and suddenly stab slightly around a parry.
>>35174583
>odds are that it's the straightening of fencing sabres sin the 19th century that resulted in straight military sabres
It would be rather silly to let ones experience with sport fencing influence the decision about which kind of cavalry sabre to use.
>>35174592
They are and that's the common explanation (that late 19th century cavalrymen favored the thrust over the cut). Of course, some nations still preferred the cut-and-thrust sabre (and the germans even still used the 1796 sabre in some cases) so I don't know how well founded their reasoning was.
>>35174550
>cavalry "saber"
>stabbing blade
much more offending
>>35174679
>It would be rather silly to let ones experience with sport fencing influence the decision about which kind of cavalry sabre to use.
Even if you have no interest in trying to apply things straight up, how you've been trained will shape how you go about things. Grow up stabbing people with straight swords, and your default answer to fencing related issues is most likely going to be to grab something straight and start stabbing. Now if that's a clearly bad idea you may change your mind in a hurry, but we see quite a few straight cavalry swords throughout history, so this probably isn't such a case.
You shouldn't mistake your personal preferences for what's objectively superior, but when your preferences aren't a bad choice there isn't any reason not to go with them either, and so Patton and friends would have been at liberty to let some aspects of their fencing background colour what they made of military swordsmanship (some may of course have taken their preferences as objectively superior, but that's another story, with luck it didn't necessarily lead to bad things at least). The sport fencing of their day was also not nearly as sporterised as the current day competitive incarnation as well, soi you don't get quite the same abyss between it and serious military murder.
>>35174679
>It would be rather silly to let ones experience with sport fencing influence the decision about which kind of cavalry sabre to use.
Fencing is probably the only use it saw. Swords have, by in large, become a status symbol and are not used in combat.
What he meant was that people who nitpick insignificant shit about swords are autistic faggots
>>35174598
>>35174598
cool reads, anon
>>35174550
That he doesn't adhere to your ill-informed definition of saber.