8mm Mauser

8MM Mauser is top tier if you can afford ammo. The ratio of bullet weight/caliber and case capacity is god tier.

>>35170657
EXACTLY! Its not really that much more than 308, and its far superior in basically every metric

>>35170384
>What advantage does 7.62 have over 8mm mauser?
Short action, greater availability, cheaper.
>why no modern 8mm rifles?
IIRC they are still commonly chambered in parts of Europe, but stateside .30-06 exists and has always been more popular.

>>35170882
So suppose someone had an M14 in 8mm, why not? Is it just blind patriotism? Why do we fellate 9mm then?

>>35170912
Because both we and NATO adopted 9mm and therefor it's common in the US

If 7.92x57 had been adopted by NATO or by the US it'd be just as popular as 7.62x51. No one thinks 7.92x57 is bad, it's just that in general people are going to go with a cheaper and more available cartridge in 7.62x51 that's close enough and does the same job

>>35170912
30-06 > 8mm mauser

30-06 has always been waaaaaay more popular and therefore nobody really cares much about the other one other than wehraboos

>>35170967
>>35170956
Ok, that's cool but that doesn't address my question

Which is, WHY DIDN'T we adopt 8mm Mauser

>>35170989
That can easily be answered if you instead ask why would we adopt it over existing us standards

>muh old cartridge
>muh old rifle that I bought 12 of
>muh rifle no one is pandering to because people like me have ruined the price of by hording
Fuck off cunt

>>35170912
>>35170989
It would require an intermediate action, I doubt a M14 in 8mm would be possible without extensive modification. I've seen an 8mm Garand on youtube.

We didn't go to 8mm Mauser for several reasons, but mostly because it wasn't American. 9mm was adopted by NATO because it made the most amount of sense considering that most other European calibers were in various ways inferior (low powered, rimmed, subcaliber, etc), but America didn't bother until the 80's.

Regardless, the ballistic differences between .308, 8mm, and .30-06 from a military standpoint are academic.

>>35170989
Because "Hun cartridge".
In the begining of the 20th century each "power" wanted its own cartridge and rifle.
Remember that the M1917 was surplused because "not an American design"

>>35170989
Because we wanted something better. And thus, 30-06 was born. The rest is history.

>>35171093
>but mostly because it wasn't American
So finally an actual question

>>35171093
>how to spot a pseud 101
You don't know what academic means.

>>35171102
And .308 is less expensive to make than 30-06 or 8mm Mauser (less brass)

>>35171122
>question
Fuck I'm retarded
Answer**

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>>35170989
I love 8mm and genuinely wish companies offered modern rifles chambered in it (i'm looking at you, winchester m70, you mauser-stealing fuck) but
>literally every country but germany has rifles in 7.62/.308 chamberings and the ridiculous amount of tooling needed to make the projectiles and barrels for said rifles
>they all adopt a 7.62/.308 caliber
gee I fucking wonder why

>>35171093
also 9mm was pretty clearly becoming the standard pistol/sub gun cartridge even in the 30s and 40s. see for example the sten, suomi, and a buttload of other guns. add to that its good ballistic qualities and the bounty of german surplus after the war and it made a lot of sense as a cartridge to standardize on.

>>35171077

Seems like OP's hit a nerve with you

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>>35171290
Yeah, I was born too early, now every Surplus rifle is extremely overpriced, busted to all hell, refurbished, bubba'd or all of those combined because people horde them to all hell like a bunch of fucking kikes instead of having a handful of them to themselves.
I hope one day all ammo for surplus rifles runs out and all you can do is stare at your rifles you piece of shit.

>>35171319
born too late***

>>35171137
When you reload does it really matter?

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>>35170384
308 from the 7.62 nato perspective was a step backwards. NATO was ready to go intermediate but USA liked muh stopping power so nato compromised with 308 which was obsolete when it was introduced. for a full sized long range rifle both 30-06 and 8mm are better. you are comparing this to the wrong cartridge.

>>35170384
Because both perform identically, and at the point where 8mm might land a few dozen feet further than 308 you're already stepping up to 300 or so forth.

>>35170384
Savage and several others offer modern rifles in .338 Federal, which is basically an 8mm Mauser update in the way that .308 is an update of .30-06.

>>35171093
You could make a M14 in 8 mm with just a simple rebarrel in .338 Federal.

>>35171319

Companies like Prvi Partisan and S&B still make new production 8mm Mauser ammo. Yeah, it's horrendously expensive OR you can buy the components and roll your own for cheaper. Reloading is how I can afford to shoot my Lee Enfields.

>>35171621
http://www.sgammo.com/site_search?populate=8mm
>~85cpr
http://www.sgammo.com/site_search?populate=308
>~75cpr for equivalent quality ammo

C'mon 10cpr isn't that huge a change its not like its 50bmg

>>35171621
This this This

I reload all my surplus ammo
I basically shoot each round at this point for 28 cents

>>35171764
>75cpr for equivalent quality ammo
>C'mon 10cpr
I'm seeing brass case soft point for 65¢pr. At that differential you can shoot almost 30% more often with the .308.

>>35171823
I'm comparing pervy to pervy, but I see your point. Either way ammo is obscenely expensive, I doubt it costs them more than 10c to make a single round

>>35171901
For materials? Probably not.

But wages for workers and maintenance for machine tools is not free.
>>35170384
Better BC and SD for a given bullet weight, higher velocity for a given BC, etc. Same advantages 7mm-08 and 6.5 Cmore have over .308.

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>>35170989
We almost adopted 7.65x53mm Mauser, but the Fudds on the Ordnance Board were all "muh magazine cutoff" and "muh superior rimmed extraction".

8mm STRONK. It's my favorite caliber.

A 196 gr softpoint pill coming out of the barrel of a K98 drops hogs like a sack of potatoes. 40s Turk milsurp speeding near 3000 fps hits the 300 yd steel rams with authority.

An AR chambered in 8mm would be amazing.

>>35170989
Are you talking pre-WW1? or post WW2?
>Pre WW1:
As other Anons have said, every major power wanted to use their own rifle and cartridge. As well, it doesn't make sense logistically to go to war against a country that can share your ammo supply. Using different ammo than the enemy denies the enemy the ability to (consistently) resupply if your position is compromised.

>Post WW2
The importance of mobility is realized and put into MG and Battle Rifle design. Part of the new doctrine includes shortening the cartridge to allow for a shorter action, and therefore lighter MGs and Rifles. You also don't need rifle rounds that were originally designed to punch out to 1000+ meters when all your combat is happening in less than half that range.