It's so ugly... but I want it

>>35155369
A3? What did they change this time?

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>>35155384

Yep, in the flesh and all.

>H&K displayed a production version of the new L85A3 Mid Life Improvement project upgrades for the British MoD. Operationally, the weapon still works the same. The upgrades involve integrating a full length Picatinny rail along the top of the handguard and receiver. You’ll also note the HKey Mod on the hand guard which features a new receiver attaching system to offer a free float barrel.

>Additionally, the weapon is now Flat Dark Earth.

>>35155369

>Mememod

Will the bongs ever get it right?

>>35155443
>>35155403
>HKey Mod
That's why, and also substantially worse.

is there anythingthats actually good about this platform to begin with/? controls look shitty to get to, that magwell seems like a complete pain in the ass, and its so ass-heavy I'm surprised more people havent shot themselves

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>>35155369
Elle is cute! CUTE!

>>35155443
It's not even real mememod. It's H&Gay's shitty proprietary knockoff that somehow manages to be as shit compared to keymod as keymod is compared to M-LOK

>>35155755
>is there anythingthats actually good about this platform to begin with/?
she thicc

>>35155369
It's the rail, the A2 is literally sex.

>>35155755
Weight helps with recoil

>>35155369
When did they get rid of the susat?

I like how they drilled holes into the side of the upper to make dirt fall in.

>>35156184

Gotta get the weight down somehow anon :^)

Besides, the "totally not deceitful report we did comparing the A2 to the M4, just omitting things like age of weapons, magazine problems that would later be fixed, and so on", like, totally proves the L85 isn't a huge pile of garbage and is, like, the totally and most bestest service rifle, like, ever, in the whole word my dudes. For serious.

>>35155788
>>35156010
you could bolt on additional weights to basically any weapon to mitigate recoil.

>>35156329

Or, use a nice comp or flash suppressor-compensator hybrid instead of weighing down your weapon. No need for that, or that silly crap the Ruskies are trying with the "balanced recoil system" and overcomplicate shit.

Worse especially with a bullpup, seeing as they're already rear-heavy and more complex than AR's or AK's. (Muh rearward balance! is fucking stupid and isn't actually a good thing, so if any memepupfags want to try and bring it up, don't.)

>>35156169

Almost a decade ago now, but it still gets seen here and there in the forces.

>>35156272
>ARfag gets upset at facts

>>35157237

Nice non-argument, memegunfag.

Can't wait for the AUG to die too. All that'll be left is the L85, which is already on it's way out.

AR/ACR-configs are the future, deal with it.

>>35155755
Rifle is fine. As accurate as it needs to be, very reliable, and seeing as its what you train with the controls are no issue, especially as everyone is taught to shoot right handed. People who have never seen, touched or used one meme about it but their opinion is invalid, just the same as if a bong commented on an american weapon system he had never used.

I had the "chance" to do the WHT with the it at Shrivenham a few months ago.

Good points:
>Front grip is decent. It's a Daniel Defense model, and the bipod feels solid enough when deployed
>The optics seem alright
>Gas parts cover is easier to get off
>The paint is nice
>It didn't cost nearly as much for each unit as people expected, which is rare.

All academic, because there's a licenced FN SCAR that's being built from 2025 which will fit out the RN, Army and RAF entirely. SA80 is being kept hold of, but most are going abroad. Accuracy International had a competing design that lost out. I shouldn't be telling you this.

>>35156392
How is it more complex than an AR? Which parts make it more complex?

>>35157828

Bollacks, I don't believe that the rifle will be replaced until 2040.

>>35157828
Proofs?

>>35155369
That is outstandingly fugly, I'll take 12.

>>35157359
Bear in mind not every military thinks that the solution to every problem is more riflemen.

>>35157934
Not my words, but the Giver of Powerpoint said so. The rep from Manroy present confirmed the FN contract, as they already do the Minimi and others.

>>35157965

But where's the money coming from? Spos' cutting 30 000 from the army might be covering it.

>>35157992
At a guess I'd say it's time for some post-brexit arms dealing, like the good old days.

>>35157992
Fiddling, as you might expect. What I've posted so far is all confirmed, or at least signed off on, but speaking to people afterward and the clever money was on something like the following:

>SCAR produced on licence
>everything for it, including basically everything aside from optics, done through UOR when "required"
>as you can imagine, at this point the word flexibility was used quite a lot
>oh and that 40mm thing that weighed 15000 tons is getting revised
>Regular Reserve will be counted into Reserve
>Something to do with pensions
>Something else involving the Int Corps and Sigs merger and associated cost savings, which no one wanted to talk about

Manroy man seemed quite pleased with it, which is usually quite a good sign as they spend most of their time at these sort of things sweating and shaking. The big loser is Accuracy International, which have been thanked by the MoD for decades of innovation and quality by getting fucked.

>>35157946
>Bear in mind not every military thinks that the solution to every problem is more riflemen

Honestly, I'd personally love to see more arty, but with the way USAF and USN suck up funding, I don't even know anymore. Though, that doesn't really say anything since, if the force is less rifleman-focused, then the fuck does it matter if it's a bullpup or not, right?

That, and adding more mortars, grenade launchers, and CG's or SMAWs to the grunts would be nice instead of going back to .308, then going back to 5.56, then going to 6.5, then going telescoped, etc. Lobbyists should be shot. Especially from HK. Or anyone that tries to compare M193 to everything else instead of M855A1, Mk318, Mk262, M955, etc.

Though, with the fetish for weight the .mil seems to have, perhaps hold off on that so dudes aren't lugging around 200lbs of shit.

Hell, if the DoD wants to adopt a bullpup, ignoring all the logistical, doctrinal, and so on concerns, tests them, and they're proven to be better than an AR, then fine, but for fuck's sake, find a caliber and stick with it and stop with this retardation. Hopefully it'd be something American like the RDB or MDR.

>>35157843
Mainly things like the trigger bar, the way the upper and lowers are sometimes constructed, the manufacturing processes to manufacture the weapons in the first place and so on. TFB has a decent article about this, if you want, I can see if I can dig it up.

>>35158050

The SCAR is fine and all, but don't the bongs already have an AR10 in service from LMT? Why not just buy more of them? What does a SCAR do that an AR10 wouldn't? (Excluding folding the stock.)[Though, I mean, hell, if you REALLY wanted to, you can get folding stocks for AR's, but that's not the point.]

>>35158050

Well, the MoD isn't without precedent to fucking those that care over, to name for one, shipbuilders.

>>35158050
Any idea when A3s are gunna start being issued out en masse?

>>35158093
FN are seen as the better option for a number of reasons. The first is that it's absolutely massive, so used to dealing (that's bribing, in plain English) with national governments for service rifles. LMT provided an UOR, or "Urgent Operational Requirement", which was well received. It was never meant to be a service rifle, though, so they didn't even get an invite to the party.

The FN SCAR, produced locally, will be the next service rifle of the UK. The company tasked with doing it already have three FN contracts and the capacity to churn out the rifles, with servicing and any maintenance required. LMT don't have those connections. It's unlikely that the UK could buy a quarter of a million rifles from them, which is the same problem Accuracy International ran into despite having an excellent design.

It's not really down to which is the best rifle, or which is the best value for money even. It's down to the viability of the contract. HK were out at the start. FN were happy to do it, and largely on the British terms. So FN it is.

Personally I'd like to have seen AI get it but they are out of favour at the moment.

>>35158079
The L85 is basically doing double duty as a full size rifle and a PDW, triple if you count weight training. Anyone who's actually getting shit done with a rifle instead of occupying space or crewing shit is going to have something more specialised anyway, for example >>35158093 an L129.

>>35158097
Literally fuck the Scots at this point. Not worth the risk.

>>35158153

Wasn't even speaking about the Scots lol, but the English yards. Scots have had their lion share and still will most likely be one of the yards to integrate the Type 31. They're not losing out by any real margin.

>>35158111
No. I do know that whoever is off to Kenya next is getting them, but for the Infantry battalion only. The supporting assets are going without. Same story in Belzie, BATUS and some RM wizardry in Norway.

I do know that the Reserves are never getting them (with one or two exceptions), as they're waiting until the SCAR is produced and rolling them out all at once.

>>35158187

But rumour has it that Kenya will be winding down.

>>35158183
I supplied gear for the Type 45s and holy shit were they a pain in the arse to deal with. I heard there was a decent chunk of work going south though, never really got involved... problems there?

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>>35155369
the brits know how to make buttugly guns that I want

>>35158247
That's just because you know there'll never be a civvy version.

>>35158222

Ah, no. Nothing I really know, was talking about fucking over English yards in historic terms and not in present day. There's good hope all around.

RR say they've fixed the issues, well as much as you can fix the WR-21 setup.

>>35158153
>The L85 is basically doing double duty as a full size rifle and a PDW, triple if you count weight training. Anyone who's actually getting shit done with a rifle instead of occupying space or crewing shit is going to have something more specialised anyway, for example >>35158093 (You) an L129.

Other than the weight, this is one of the things that drives me up the wall about the Army trying to supplant their M4's with .308's.

They're either going to be sitting around base and not needing their weapons much at all, or they're going to be in cities kicking down doors, the fuck do we need .308's for outside of SF who already have them? Even then, lots of SF still use 5.56, with, IIRC a confirmed kill out to like 600m with Mk262 from a Mk18. Regardless of what might be said about that, 5.56 and AR's seem fine to me for the immediate future, so focus should be on developing those LSAT rounds and mass-issuing things like SMAW or CG's, etc.

So I understand keeping/updating the L85, but not because I think it's a good weapon or that bullpups are amazing or such, but that it makes more sense to me logistically and doctrinally. I'm in basic agreement with you in other words.

>>35158265

It's not that hard to make in your garage if you have the time. You can easily find blueprints all over online. Even semi-auto ones. (Which kind of defeats the purpose, but unless you want the ATF to assfuck your dog, it's pretty much what you have to deal with as long as the NFA is around.)

Though, saying that, if you have the dosh, just go buy an actual one, they're not illegal since they're so old.

>>35155369
god why won't they drop this platform

I hear nothing but disdain for this fucking gun and they simply refuse to do anything about it

>>35158304

Because the relationship between the squaddie and his rifle is a positive one thanks to the work of the HK's UK team in unfucking it.

>>35158272
Good good, I'll cancel the sympathy calls then.

>>35158304
The A2 is legit quite a nice rifle, but nobody will ever forget the A1.

>>35158275
Well, ideally the US wouldn't have been so autistic about about using their favourite overpowered/underpowered hunting cartridges and we'd have had .280 Enfield/7mm NATO for the last 70 years, making everyone very happy, including fudds and target shooters.

>>35158348

Guess who looks likely to be the integrator/assembler as surprise, surprise they'll need work after PoW and also has experience at assembling blocks at a pretty good pace?

>>35157712
I dont think you understand how the controls are un ergonomic, mag release and selector are behind the trigger. very far away from support hand, ie: the hand that is not on the trigger. you can train all your life to move your support hand and arm ALL THE WAY BACK to do shit, but some boot on the firing range for the second time is still gonna be faster with a traditional rifle layout where the controls are inches away from the support hand postition

>>35158348
>The A2 is legit quite a nice rifle,
No it's not, it's a fucking abortion compared to an M4

>>35158401
Aw fuck's sake. Still, nowt to do with me this time around.

>>35158404
>>35158413
Actual results say otherwise lads.

>>35158435
post these results, then

i dont understand why they're being so retarded
>have nice options like kac, scars, b&t, etc
>have less shit bullpups like aug
>still choose britgun

>>35158443
nepotism has been the name of the game in bongland for hundreds of years

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>>35158397
>.280 Enfield/7mm NATO

A literal meme round. That's kinda like saying we should've adopted .276 Pederson and everything would be fine from 1930 until now.

5.56 is fine for what it is intended anyways.

>>35158435

Post the meme report, I fucking dare you.

>Magazine failures, weapon age, frequency and area of use, etc. don't count goy, L85 best in the world! Trust us! We're British! It's not like we say we're the best in the world lightly or anything!
>SAS
>Challenger
>Training
>etc.
>Y-You Yanks are j-just J-J-JEALOUS!!!!

Any country that actually adopted a bullpup shouldn't even be taken seriously in the first place. Glad the US knew better over the years. (Except the XM25, which was a mistake.)

Why can't bongs make decent weapons and military gear anymore?

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>>35158495

I don't get people like you. So intensively negative towards one of the few nations that makes an effort.

>>35158529

Watch Ian's video series on it/them, they're pretty good and show just how much the Bongs fucked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WtOOLh_F8I

>>35158544
Are we supposed to just give them a trophy for participation?

>>35158551
I've already watched it. The entire design is just absolute shit when compared to literally anything else.

What the fuck for? If they want a grippod then issue grippods, no need to have a whole new rail system and paint job that add literally nothing new.

>>35158552

Hardly, but shitting on your own team is only an own goal.

>>35158563
The new handguard is supposedly free floating.

>>35158495
>5.56 is fine for what it is intended
Unless what you intend needs a .308, of course. Or a .50 BMG. Or .300 Blackout. Or, for that matter, the superior ballistics of a 7mm.

Guess what? The L85 is also absolutely fine for what is intended.

>>35158544

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the UK seems to at least TRY in regards to NATO, defense, etc., but most other times, their population at large is shittalking the US, complaining how the UK has it all figured out and is the greatest in the world but da ebill murica is holding them down and other such shit, and it just puts me off of Bongs in general when it relates to defense issues. Though, to be fair, that tends to be most of Europe anyways. At least in my experience.

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>>35155369
>It's so ugly

>>35158582
penis envy

>>35158575
>the superior ballistics of a 7mm.

Paper stats don't always work out in real life like you'd think, anon. A .224 or even .220 of sufficient design is plenty, 7mm is just the bandwagon fad. Though now it's 6.5 seemingly even with me hearing people actually say it's 6mm. People will bitch regardless.

Specifically, TFB has quite a few articles on this already that really shows 7mm not all it's cracked up to be, big-picture. That, and if paper stats really were the deciding factors in wars, the Tiger should've been invincible and the best for every occasion, right?

.50BMG is hardly comparable or even relevant to the discussion either, but what would you need .308 or ESPECIALLY .300Memeout to do that 5.56 can't already do just fine?

>L85 is absolutely fine.

If I wanted to be facetious, I'd say it's not considering it's A - A bullpup and B - Getting replaced by the SCAR, but honestly, you're right, it is fine in the grand scheme of things I suppose.

>>35158631
>what would you need .308 or ESPECIALLY .300Memeout to do that 5.56 can't already do just fine

Ask your army, they seem to have opinions on the matter.
Point is, foot regiments don't win wars these days, so why not stop trying to kit them all out as if it matters. A long established true intermediate calibre with would've given everyone a solid performer they couldn't realistically complain about.

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>>35158690
>true intermediate caliber
This is the future.

>>35158690
>Ask your army, they seem to have opinions on the matter.

Lobbyists don't count. It's not my fault the rest of the military has to suffer because some braindead jackass bought into HK's shtick. We're already loading up our dudes with 120lbs+, it's a great idea to add .308 weight on top of that, yeah!

Perhaps polymer cased ammunition will offset it, but whatever, we're also already talking about a .338 LMG. Some morons won't be happy until each grunt is lugging around an M2 with Mk47 underbarrel.

>Point is, foot regiments don't win wars these days, so why not stop trying to kit them all out as if it matters.

I'm not really saying otherwise, I actually did say I'd like to see more artillery being bought for the USMC and USA for example, but if we're going to shit things up with small arms procurement, at least wait until something like the LSAT rounds are somewhat ready, you know?

>A long established true intermediate calibre with would've given everyone a solid performer they couldn't realistically complain about.

I understand "realistically" is the key word there, but to be fair, "realistically", people still would've bitched regardless.

>Waah! It's too heavy! We need to go lighter!
>Waah! It's not powerful enough! We need to go bigger!
>Waah! We should be spending more money on things like artillery that have more impact on battles! (This is me, basically.)
>Waah! Why haven't we developed laser weaponry yet!?

And so on... Wouldn't you agree?

>>35158583
no man. that looks pretty much like a 1980s GM parts bin car. it works. but it aint' right.

>>35158690
>Ask your army, they seem to have opinions on the matter.

That doesn't answer the question.

>>35158725

That just pisses me off.

They're gonna field .308 soon apparently, but then turn right around and go for 6.5 AND .338 shit? Lobbyists should be hung. They do nothing but try to find the most bullshit reasons they can convince people of to spend money on.

At least the PDW is still AR-based. Memepupfags must be furious at this point.

>>35158785
5.56 ARs will still be the standard, there will just be more small arms diversity in the military.

The military leadership is starting to realize that one rifle for every soldier doesn't always work out very well.

>>35158749
Well yes, but as you say yourself there are legit weight concerns with .308 and .223 is a fucking fox round, it does not do well in the shrubbery. Squaddies will always bitch, but they don't always expect it to be listened to.

>>35158785
A 7mm for the cold war would've killed off a lot of the proliferation too you know. No bitching about .223 in Vietnam, for example.

>>35158404
Lad, I dont think youve actually handled one. Ive put thousands of rounds through them. Therefore your opinion, while appreciated, has no merit.

>>35158495
> he thinks the A1 = A2

If thats your basis of reasoning, all M4 and M16 derivatives are pieces of shite because theyre all based off the M16A1...yankee doodles are so thick

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>>35155369
It looks better then this piece of shit.
Aesthetically i mean.
The ef88 probably works way better though.

>>35159161
obviously I've never handled one. For comparison's sake, can you honestly say you've done any training with an ar/m4 platform and STILL prefer the L85?

>>35157712
reminder that if this were a qbz thread everyone would be shitting on it, only bongs defend this crap

>>35155369
>they somehow found a way to make the rifle even more ugly and useless

>>35155369
> be bong
> need bong guns
> guns are banned so no one knows how to make them.
> throw some garbage together inbetween pants shitting in fear
> close eyes and pay Germans to fix.

kek

>>35159599
checked
kek'd
rekt

Did they seriously add one of those Chinese grip bipod motherfuckers to that thing? 3/4 of those blow out when you first deploy them and you better be on a perfectly flat surface when you do.

>>35159568
Yeah ive put rounds through AR platforms before, the only big differences I noticed were that its easier to field strip and the selector can be changed without taking a hand off the rifle. Its odd but despite the L85 being heavier its more comfortable to carry because the weight sits more to the rear.
Ill admit that the controls are likely more common sense to a rookie if he had an AR and an L85 side by side, but again it comes down to a training thing. I might be faster doing a mag change on an L85 but only by a few fractions of a second, and realistically in the average engagement at 300+ metres you arent staring down targets like you do when practicing drills on a 25m range, so a fraction of a second here or there isnt life or death. At the end of the day it depends on what you train with and how much you practice, same as anything else.

>>35159596
> people who have actually used the platform have a different opinion to those who havent

Well fuck me sideways, who would have thought!?!