is this the most embarrassing military failure in history?

Vietnam was worse

>Americans get their asses soundly handed to them by illiterate rice farmers that are outnumbered 10,000 to 1
>Still try to play it off as an American victory

>>35150272
Hey you get out of here with that. Vietnam was a major victory for the us because the sovietnam dictatorship that was importing zyclonb into the brains of our children via kang8 gang was destroyed during the official blackout of the kanium battle.

>>35150272
I've heard vets and some armchair generals call it a "stalemate" but I've yet to meet someone who can make the mental gymnastics that vietnam was an American victory.

IMO, Vietnam and the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan are both equally embarrassing. Maybe a bit more embarrassing for the Soviets, but it's pretty close.

>>35150240
No, maginot line was pretty bad and going back a little further Darius kind of fucked up.

>>35150272
>farmers
Learn to history

>>35150272

This retardation again.

The US forced the North Vietnamese to sign a peace treaty. War over. Everyone go home.

The North Vietnamese then break said treaty well over a year after the US had left.

This is history, you chucklefuck. It's what actually happened.

7/10 bait.

>>35150335
It was a victory. A peace treaty was signed and the democrats and hippes pulled out all the troops and the north invaded again.

>>35150334
Also the red kortez linium era in nam was ran by a smart farmer. We single handedly stopped that. It would have destroyed China's economy via nuclear supremacy

>>35150240
>few hundred
More like a few million.

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>>35150240
>The whole Soviet army

>>35150240
No, its not the journey of the Baltic Fleet.

>>35150351
>>35150357
The Paris Peace Accords left the NVA in charge of a full third of South Vietnam.

The fighting didn't even slow down, US troops left in the middle of the shooting.

President Thieu had to be threatened with a total cessation of US aid before he'd sign the treaty.

Nixon and Kissenger were caught on the White House tapes discussing the need for a "reasonable interval" of 18 to 24 months before South Vietnam collapsed; exactly what happened.

Nixon let 22,000 Americans die just so he could blame the defeat on Democrats, and suckers like you lap it up.

>>35150240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Savoia_Cavalleria_at_Izbushensky
That or when poland BTFO'd them in 1920, or Finland in 39

The Soviets were running a linium went core operation in Vietnam and the us. Sooooo

>>35150357
>>35150351
>Signing a peace treaty
>not signing an unconditional surrender of the NVA

Some "victory"

>>35150357
The US failed to achieve its goals in South East Asia and failed to stop the scenario they were there to prevent. You can say that the US won, but only on paper, literally.

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>>35150351
>entire reason US enters Vietnam is to support and defend the South Vietnamese government
>Saigon falls to communist North Vietnam, US objective for entering the conflict ends in failure
That sounds a lot like defeat to me burger

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>>35150272
BIG DIFFERENCE:

Soviets invade entire country: fails

America not allowed to invade North Vietnam and forced to stay on the defensive against insurgency: fails

Guess who had it easier but still fucked up

>>35150417
not if you already got them to sign a surrender, said fuck it and went home.

>>35150427
"""surrender"""
t. fellow burger

>>35150335
>I've yet to meet someone who can make the mental gymnastics that vietnam was an American victory.

Look up Dennis Prager's video on youtube where he claims exactly that.

Also a fairly common claim on this origami board.

>>35150427
>ceasefire is a declaration of surrender
Is this what they teach in American schools?

>>35150427
>surrender
>NVA allowed to stay in conquered South Vietnam territory

wat

>>35150417
I wanna fug that deer

>>35150240
posting to let you know that I only came to see the inevitable yankee butthurt over their Vietnam """""victory"""""

>>35150357
>A peace treaty was signed and the democrats and hippes pulled out all the troops and the north invaded again.
No, the entirety of the nation saw that it was a futile war at the end of the Tet Offensive and wanted out.

>>35150272
no, the military won the war hard. the politicians lost.
distinct difference.

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>trying to grab water
>surprised it fails

>>35150419
yes, because obviously you burgers made it look eas... no wait, you're still there. What has it been, 15 years now?

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Holy shit this trend is a mess this comes to show that both Burgers and Eurofags can easily be butthurt.

>>35150456
Meant moreso meet them in person. Anyone on the 4chins could just be shitposting, even me.

>>35150427
Saying fuck it and going home isn't winning, its conceding.

>>35150488
>TOP DENIAL

>>35150487

>Tet Offensive

Funny, because the Tet Offensive was actually a pretty big failure for the North. What really hurt the US was the liberal press turning it into some sort if calamity in the news. The NVA actually got stomped pretty good in any open engagement they had against US troops.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive

>>35150419
what the hell? i didn't know crabs could swim. I thought they can only crawl

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>>35150635

>>35150520
>people on 4chan are autistic
imagine my shock

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>>35150509
okay, now put 1960's Soviet troops in the Vietnam war scenario. Let's see how easy it is for them.

I'm surprised, I haven't seen anything about the winter war.

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>>35150272

>Vietnam
>Russian supplied jets
>Russian supplied SAMs
>Russian supplied radar and radar firecontrol for AA
>Russian supplied vehicles
>Russian supplied artillery, crew-served weapons etc.
>Russian and Chinese supplied small arms, anti-tank munitions etc.

>Afghanistan
>American supplied MANPADs

>>35150240
No, the Tiger of Panjshir was a brilliant tactician, was able to marshall his forces effectively, was able to manage his civilian populations respectfully and peacefully, and he had intense support from the united states after the CIA finally connected past Pakistan. There is no embarrassment in defeat by a capable enemy.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBDc2pDQgVg

>>35150586

The foundation for claims of US military successes until Tet was their control of South Vietnam territory and ability to prevent insurgent activities. Tet showed that the US military has been lying.

>The NVA actually got stomped pretty good in any open engagement they had against US troops.

Body count is an entirely irrelevant metric of success and the US military has also been documented to lie about that as well.

>>35150240
>embarrassing military failure
>military failure
>military
From the military point of view it was a success. By the time of withdrawal Soviets controlled every major route and city. Politically thought it was a huge flop.

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>>35150351
>>35150357
Every fucking time.

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>Ctrl+F emu
>no results
Embarrassing.

>>35153065
i literally just just exactly that
ctrl+f emu
suprised it took this long

>>35150488
War is a continuation of politics, America lost.

Everything Russians ever did was abysmal failute and everything Americans ever did was pure glorious win.
>the absolute state of this fucking board
Congratulations, you collectively managed to become a far bigger cancer than vatniks.

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>>35150240
>outdated weapons
Well the picture is misleading because it skirts over the fact that the CIA funded the mujahideen with soviet weapons and stinger's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTv2nFjMBk

Vietnam and Pol Pot have become the dark spots in USA history aren't they?
Well at least the US did it better than French because holy shit Dien Bien Phu was so much of a shitstorm.

>>35153657
>linking to the shittiest resolution you could find with fucked up audio
kys
https://youtu.be/A9RCFZnWGE0

>>35153657
The US vs Vietcong/NVA image is misleading too, which this image was made in response to.

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>>35150240

Depends on which side you're on mate.

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>>35153961
There's a reason for that dipshit.

>>35153994
Where's the image then.

>>35150769
>Vietnam became a regional super power
>Afghanistan still a shit hole infested with IS
>US Troop still in Afghanistan right now

>>35150240
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/world/asia/military-death-afghanistan.html?mcubz=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/11/world/asia/afghanistan-military-american-soldiers-deaths.html?mcubz=0
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/10/politics/afghanistan-us-service-members-killed/index.html

>>35154521
>>Vietnam became a regional super power
To who? Pretty sure Indo, Malay, Phil or Thailand can defeat them

>>35150240
Battle of Alnus Hill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLuYDf-VAY

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>>35154546
>Pretty sure Indo, Malay, Phil or Thailand can defeat them
> Phil or Thailand
Vietnam have 6 Kilo submarine
that put them on the same level as Indo

>>35150240
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France
>46 days

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Does this count?

>>35150240
didn't the americans support the mujahadens cos they wanted payback for vietnam

and then osama came back and attacked usa

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>>35154575
There were some stellar battles though

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always taught that it was the Russo-Japanese War.
>Russians talk shit the whole time the war was ramping up
>taught they would demolish them
>Get ass fucked
>First time a western power lost against a non western power
>So butthurt force WW1 to happen to gain some creditably back

>>35150272
This is good bait because there's actually people that believe this

>>35150408
>unconditional surrender
>this is possible when you're not allowed to invade

>>35151385
Body count means quite a lot when the side losing way more men has a smaller population

>>35154658

> invading the north could sloved all the problem
>implying Viet did not ass wiped the Frog a few years back

>>35154620
>stellar battles
>against Italians

You realize that bunch of Ethiopians fucked Italians ass so hard that they had to send their best armoured units to fight them?

And then they lost bunch of CV-3/33 because they were crushed by rocks thrown on them from the cliffs or blinded by throwing sand at driver port, lured to the area covered by dry bushes and then destroyed by setting the bushes on fire?

>>35150272
chu wan numma wan, je-eye?

Great emu war
>australian army loses to birds

>>35154624
Wasn't the failed Italian invasion of Abyssinia the first time a Western nation failed?

>>35154707
You also seem to forget that France covered the British escape

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>>35154707

>>35150386
democrats who got us into the war in the first place.

>>35154624
> russian
> western power

>>35155051
i'm sure that's a comforting fact that would ease the pain of the families of these fallen soldiers

>>35150272

>Turns out Domino theory was wrong
>Vietnam turns into an alright place

What did they die for?

>>35154617
First burger cunt to get killed in Afghanistan was by a child wielding an AK probably given to the mujahideen by the CIA. Lulz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2_Nw31BBI 7:34

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>>35154624
>Gooks talk shit the whole time the war was ramping up
>Getting stuffed with western money, equipment and training
>Attack at night without warning, like slant-eyed rats that they are
>Russia barely even gives a shit about some yellow monkey micro-state on the other side of the continent chimp out
>"Whatever, you can have like half of a swamp island" - Sergei Witte
>Gooks got 0 (zero) money and had to demilitarise Manchuria
>Japan borderline plunges into chaos and bankruptcy because of the war against Russia's left heel
>Peasants rebel, unsatisfied with the peace deal
>40 years later
>Knock-knock, motherfucker, guess who?
Gook shills, will they ever learn?

>>35150240
vietnam

definitely vietnam

>>35157606
how did they know it was from cia?

>>35150386
Nixon was the one to start pulling out troops and arming the South to fight for themselves. The South was full of corruption though. It only took 2 years for the north to build up an army. Not to mention only Vietnamese died only for them to leave communism for socialism a decade later

>>35150408
Literally how we have North and South Korea
>it worked in Korea it'll work here

>>35150413
This, although it wasn't an outright defeat, but more of
>fuck it, public is tired of it
Although Vietmanse swapped off communism about 10 years later

>>35150938
Truly the most aesthetic war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_ZpYL9ueY

>>35151385
The North wouldn't face the US in open engagements so the US
>walk in lines
>get fired at
>call support
>???
>profit

>>35151385
>The foundation for claims of US military successes until Tet was their control of South Vietnam territory and ability to prevent insurgent activities. Tet showed that the US military has been lying.

congratulations to show that the US was exaggerating their claims you have now sacrificed the entirety of the fighting strength of the vietcong, as well as the cream of the crop NVA, as well as losing most of the territory you previously had defacto control of, all to show that the US was lying.

Great victory that one. Man I hope you become a general of an army that fights against the US. It'll make it a war on easy mode.

>>35153040
hahaha, no. At the time of withdrawl, the soviets had effectively ceded all territory outside of the major cities. 4 years PRIOR to withdrawl, yeah it was looking great from a military standpoint, but then the US started supplying the enemy with weapons...

seriously this:>>35153065
or maybe this:>>35154620
could also go with the Russo-japanese war. anyone have the copy pasta of the baltic fleets sailing trip to get BTFO

>>35157606
0:45
Why are they showing footage of FALs?

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>>35150400
>defeated by pastaniggers on donkeys with shitty en-bloc fed bolt guns worse than the fucking Nugget

MiGHt oF tHe rED ArmY

>>35154874
This predates WW1, the Abyssinia invasion was during WW2
>>35157651
>russians get so butthurt their leaders lost against japs they turn communist

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China and the Italian Army during the whole 19th and 20th centuries.