Find a flaw.

>>35145856
Seems kinda gay..

>>35145865
>flaw

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>>35145856
It is not chambered in 7.62x25 TOKAREV

>>35145856
>weight
>cost

>>35145856
Weighs 800 lbs

>>35145856
Magazine is to far forward.
No wooden handguard in convenient place
No close bolt operation.
No straight-line barrel/stock design.
Leaf sights instead of aperture.

Ian please go

>>35145856
Too expensive for me.

>>35145856
Un-American piece of shit.

>>35145881
>>35145889
>>35145913
let's ask Ian and Karl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJMvADklEQ

>>35146110
Auto Ordnance Co. tried suing Lahti over his use of a drum magazine, claiming Lahti's design was copied from theirs', the American court rules in Lahti's favor when he pointed out that *his* drum actually worked.

>>35146100
They're the cheapest parts kit available, you can get one for $200

>>35146119
why do you think he made the thread?

>>35145879
Heck of a shotgun

I don't own it

>>35145856
stock is not hollow as to allow me to store kalakalle fish cock cans in it

>>35145856
Aesthetic as fuck

>>35146181
oh, right, I forgot these threads are always created by the guy who posted a video about the topic on YouTube earlier the same day.

>>35146433
no they're always created by some guy who saw a video on youtube earlier that day

Gun Jesus doesn't like us. We're too weird for him.

>>35145922
>>35146181
Ian hates us, for good reason, he would never come here

>>35146504
>Gun Jesus doesn't like us. We're too weird for him.
you mean we have been abandoned by our Lord?
Will our fall from grace pave our path to damnation?

>>35145856
Ergonomics are shit

>>35145856

That reinforcement bolt through neck of the stock - it was an later addition.

>>35145856
Its heavy as fuck and stupid to own in semi.

>>35145913

t. I don't understand the concept of SMG that fires from an open bolt and I don't want to be able to shoot my weapon accurately to various distances (it has adjustable tangent rear sight).

>>35146896

Nope - in reality they are actually pretty good.

Finnfag who has actually shot more than thousand rounds with these.

They're breddy gud. Everything that comes out of Finland is breddy gud. Rakastan Suomea

>>35146988
it doesn't have a pistol grip & the lack of handguard in front of the magazine confuses burgers, not to forget that it lacks "muh piccitinnuh" for vertical grip, fleshlight and reflector sight/red dot

>>35145856
It's not chambered in either 9mm or 45ACP

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>>35147031

I gotchu senpai

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how the FUCK does it cycle!?

>>35146975
Straight blowback gun with separate firing pin operating from closed bolt is more accurate both in semi auto and full auto (first short of the burst) and is more convenient to shoot without perceivable delay between trigger pull and shoot.
Aperture sight is more accurate than tangent sight and of course it can be adjusted too.

>>35147063
which 9mm did you want it in? 9x19mm Para is good enough for pretty much everyone else, why not you?
>inb4 muh stoppin powah

>>35147094
9mm NATO

>>35145913
>Magazine is to far forward.
go back to shitting around in FONV threads ok

>>35147080
straight blowback, open bolt

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>>35147031
There are no good reasons for SMG to not have good ergonomics instead of "we made gun you find way to hold it"

>>35147103
which is 9x19mm Parabellum with a specific loading, Suomi in Finnish service used a pretty damn hot 9x19 Para load, so it should be able to take 9x19mm with pretty much any load you can jam inside the case

>>35147089
>Straight blowback gun with separate firing pin operating from closed bolt is more accurate both in semi auto and full auto
its also vastly more expensive to make and that level of accuracy doesnt matter at the ranges involved in the gun's intended operation anyway

>>35147151
mp5s are incredibly uncomfortable to hold imo

pistol grips in general suck

rifle grip 4 lyfe

even pencil grip soldering irons are inferior to pencil type ones

Its pins break all the time because lol shit quality/

>>35147162
I didn't know that thanks for the extra info. So this sounds dumb but what does that gun specifically shoot anyway?

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>>35147107

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>>35145856
>birch wood.

Holy shit, if I put my wood on that wood would that be fagotry?

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>>35147183
u are like little babby. watch this

> E X T E S E

>>35147151
you can hold the stock behind the magazine (might be a bit awkward but if it works for you, it works for you), you can hold the magazine (seems to be the most common way of holding it), or you can even hold the barrel shroud (favored when hip-firing, which *was* a thing that was done in real situations), which ever works for you best.

There was an experiment with a vertical grip but it was dropped when it was actually more awkward than the alternatives & it added more to the already horrifying production cost and -time.

>>35147164
>its also vastly more expensive
Pls. All bolt rifles had separate firing pin nobody called them expensive, it was your basic gun.

>and that level of accuracy doesnt matter at the ranges involved in the gun's intended operation anyway
This was wrong WWII thinking "SMG is gangster gun fro shooting from hip they can be made as utter abominations". "Shooting at head popping out from cover 100 yards downrange? No, this is ridiculous scenario for combat"

>>35147179
ruskis, it shot a lot of ruskis during WWII, the cartridge it's chambered for is 9x19mm Parabellum, also known as 9mm Luger.

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You can get Suomi parts kit here for only $150, the barrel is still intact too and not cut up like other parts kits are.

http://whatacountry.com/finnish-suomi-m-31-parts-kit.aspx

>>35146550
For the last time, he doesn't hate us. He's just uncomfortable with us and for good reason.

>>35147242
Suomi was built for accuracy, the manufacturer & FDF even went as far as to test-fire each produced barrel, mark the barrel with a special stamp denoting where on the standard target the groupings appeared with the factory's standard test-firing sight settings, so each time a barrel needed replacing its' stamp would be checked & a replacement with the same stamp issued in return for the old barrel.

>>35147242
>Pls.
it requires more individual parts and more tooling than the alternative, and is necessarily more expensive quality-for-quality

and any modern factory-made gun is not going to be so inaccurate that you can't hit something at a reasonable range reliably, no matter its action

>>35147264
Where are you getting discomfort? Were the "assholes" he talks about. Its hate, dude. Catch the net.

>>35145856
Wood furniture looks like cockroach skin

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>>35145856
>Caliber

>>35145856

>13lbs loaded

>>35148305

>Doesn't know what figuring is

>>35147259
how does this parts kit thing work and why do you people have it as an alternative to buying the gun assembled? legit question t. europoor

>>35146167
But who can build them?

>>35145856
looks like a shotgun from Fallout3

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>>35145856
It's not pic related

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It weighs more than my fucking RPK when loaded.

>>35146373
kek

>>35145856
not a heck of a shotgun

>>35146550
Why would gun jesus hate /k/?

>>35145856
Wonder how hard a full-auto conversion would be. Anyone here own one and care to shine some light?

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>>35150065

>>35150111
Joke's on you-I don't live in the States. I can do as I please.

>>35148442
Because machineguns can't be registered by normies post 1986, so all we can do is import "parts" and build them ourselves.

>>35149982
some sperglord with a /k/ patch grabbed his ass at a 2gun match

>>35145913
>elbows too pointy
>2/10 would not bang

>>35150512
That guy has a pretty decent jewtoob channel but I can't remember what it's called. Something weaponblog.

>>35147089

Open bolt SMG can be slightly more accurate, but open bolt design cool down much faster, are structurally much more simple and hence more reliable & easier/cheaper to mass-produce. With its high rate of fire and 71-round drum mags Suomi m/31 would have had major overheating problem if would have been closed bolt design - but with open bolt design and spare barrels that could be swapped easily overheating was not much of a issue. This design gained legendary reputation for its reliability during World War 2 - its a very well-sealed design, feed is far more reliable than with MP-28 related designs, its known for working also with substandard ammo and even without extractor (although with extractor blown off it is recommended to turn the weapon to its right side to add extraction).

>>35145856
It's A 10 pounder!

you have to hold it by the magazine or behind it, really uncomfy considering the weight. also if you have one it's probably semi auto, and that trigger pull is a foot long. charging handle blows

>>35145856
No picatinny, no polymers, poor sights, only 9mm and heavy AF.

>>35148305
The wood used in that stock is Betula pendula var. carelica - extremely popular due to its beautiful wood patterns and highly expensive mutated version of birch. Highly sought after material for artisans and nowadays costs around 4 - 5 euros/kg (for muricans: 3 - 4 USD/lb).

>>35151377
Typo: ...to its right side to ease extraction.

>>35147403
>age of modern industry

>oh shit Billy we cant manufacture this weapon system anymore because it would require 2 more parts per unit

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>>35149856
thats why it can fire stupid fast and be controllable.

>>35152352
euro os worth more than dollar shouldnt your values be the other way around?

>>35145856
Communism?

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>>35146154
>the American court rules in Lahti's favor when he pointed out that *his* drum actually worked

>>35152837

1 lb = 0.45 kg
1 euro = 1.19 USD

The particular wood would about 4.8 - 6 USD per kilogram. Hence about 2.2 - 2.7 USD/lb.

>>35146408
You mean KALAKUKKO,

>>35145856

Heavy.

>>35152920
>>35146408
shit kalakalle is manufacturer, hupsista

>>35146154
>the American court rules in Lahti's favor when he pointed out that *his* drum actually worked.
Kek. Well played

>>35148665
anyone with access to the most basic of machine tools?

Is it modern? No. Unwieldy? Yes.

Is it sexy? Fuck yes. And beyond that I honestly don't care

>>35145856

I don't own one.

>>35147080
pump style

Heavier than an m1 garand

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1. They are heavy as fuck
2. The trigger is fucking garbage
3. Ergonomics are shit
Its nice though

>>35153377
>2. The trigger is fucking garbage
>3. Ergonomics are shit

I take it from 2. that you have no shooting experience with the real thing. The trigger is US-made semiauto-only (TNW-made) version is indeed garbage, but the trigger in original select-fire SMG is actually pretty good. As for 3. the ergonomics - they start making sense when you have SMG with working full-auto setting and know the proper shooting technique instead of trying to shoot with it like it was a rifle.

>>35145856
weighs as much as a car

>>35153377
>3rd from the right

le questionmark face

>all these DYEL's complaining about a bit of weight

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>>35153738
Calico. Aka american bizon. Ok not really but it does shoot upside down

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>>35153512
You are right that i havent shot one of those full auto so trigger may be right. Still feel ergos would be bad regardless.
Better weight and ergos coming through

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>>35153951
Did you build your ppsh or did you have it built. If you built it, how hard was it? Or where did you have it built for how much?

>>35153738
>le questionmark face
in case you were wondering, that's the kind of shit that makes people hate you.

>>35146550
this meme never stop

>>35152388
>>oh shit Billy we cant manufacture this weapon system anymore because it would require 2 more parts per unit
C A P I T A L I S M

>>35146550
>Hates us
Well that's why he's on reddit not fagchan which is full of retarded autists. God i hope reddit buy this shit site.

>>35154297
Bought it from a guy who had it made. Was a ppsh43 pistol. Cut/welded a pps53 rear and extended the barrel. I think i spent $900. Its been a minute.

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>>35154297

>>35146373
That's not a PPsH you idiot

>>35154819
You... you dont pay attention to much huh?

>>35146167
>>35148665
>>35152973
When you buy a parts kit, does it come with everything needed to build the gun, or do you have to buy something additional to complete it?
Also, what kind of machine tools would you need to put one together?
I really want to buy some of these parts kit smgs and stuff, but I don't know much about parts kits, tbqh

>>35154937
Find gunsmith general. You need more than the kit and youll need tools.

>>35155019
Thanks

>>35154669
>>35154729
Damn. Either way, it is pure sex. I have a parts kit sitting on my counter waiting to put together that looks decently easy enough. I probably am going to give it a try here soon.

>>35145856
Looks like a commie gun.

>>35150637
Verwuppanblog

>>35145856
heavy

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>>35155111

>>35145913
Oh come on, only range faggots use aperture sights, using one in a battle is a sure way of getting yourself killed because it fucks up your peripheral vision.

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>>35155790
>use aperture - win war
>use tangent rear sight - lose war
It is very simple really.

>>35155825
Oh, i see, you're on of those guys that believe that USA has won a war in the past 50 years.
OK, carry on.

>>35155825
Explain korea/vietnam/etc

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>>35149982
We will never know.

>>35154933
The literal meme refers to the PPsH. That's a suomi. Don't be dense and try to project about it.

>>35157345
the picture he was responding to in fact does depict a PPSh (capital S, lower-case h)

>>35157345
Bruh. The pic was a ppsh

It referenced a ppsh showing that its better due to caliber.

I love you man but you have to focus

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>>35154645
He said, with a gun to his head, forced to post on "fagchan"

>>35155885
We don't have to. You're buying our debt and counting on our military support, remember?

It literally looks like cockroach skin, why do people find this type of thing attractive? Its the same thing for the glasses that have rims like this. Just buy a gun with a solid brown stock like fuck stop having such bad taste

>>35157831
having zero aesthetistic taste is OK, trying to force others to share your lack of aesthetistic taste is not OK.

>>35157898
Fine wood with elegant carving in it is exquisite taste this isn't.

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>>35157817
Who do you think you responded to. Im an american who knows that those sights werent what made us stalemate in korea and vietnam.

>>35153377
I haven't seen a Linda in years!

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>>35158109

>>35158123
Portland?

>>35157916
as I said, pushing your lack of taste on others is not OK.

>>35158148
Charlotte

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>>35158109
Its a terry. Same thing. Just different

>>35145913
sounds like you want a fucking AR anon

>>35160013

I hope you know I appreciate the Mark III you've mounted to it.

>30-40 year old aimpoints are still better than modern day chinkshit

>>35145889
I didn't think it was all that heavy when I shot one

>>35157345
>PPsH
you must be new. don't try so hard.

>>35157345

>Failing on this many levels

>>35145913

>I have never fired a SMG: The post

>>35157817

This is unironically one of the worst responses to an argument I've seen as of yet on /k/. Please just get a trip so people can filter you.

>>35160553
I love it. Batteries were hard to find earlier this year but i found a place that specialized in antique camera flash batteries that had some that work

>>35160513
Try to find reasons why all guns should not have AR or M5/G3 layout. Pro tip: you can't.

>>35145856
thats a heck of a shotgun

>>35163342
luckily not everyone thinks like you (that only your narrow-minded opinion regarding good firearm design is the right one), otherwise "mah great-grampa's good ole .45-75 Winchester Model 1876" would still be the zenith of firearms development...

>>35146373

Lost, kek

>>35165433
Ehh, what new assault rifle doesn't follow these guidelines? Ehhh... uhhh...? Anyone?

>>35165645
way to move the goal post, reminder: this started from a complaint about the layout of an 86+ years old submachine gun design, applying your "new assault rifle" -standards to KP/-31 in order to validate your complaints about a weapon you have never handled is pathetic.

>>35145856
Drum mags are only good for range guns, not for field guns. They often didn't work, were a pain in the ass to load, and were expensive to produce which is why later models ditched the drum mag.

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>>35153377
>>35158123
>want a full size Uzi
>non SBR rifle versions look ugly as shit with the stupidly long barrel
>pistol versions won't do because I want a stock
>SBR versions aren't an option because I regularly go out of state to shoot and also don't want my money tied up in something for a year before I can actually use it
>can't even satisfy my urge with an airshit Uzi since decent quality full size airshit Uzis are apparently no longer made due to not being tactical enough or whatever the fuck reason
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHY DO THE LAWS HATE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO LIKES SUBGUNS

>>35166392
can't you get a pistol version and put a brace on it? some of them look surprisingly like stocks now.

>>35145856
>beautiful tiger stripe wood stock
I wish I had a M39 with that type of wood.

>>35166429
>muh brace
Do they make a brace that actually looks like the correct stock for the full size Uzi? I don't think they do.

>>35166392
>>can't even satisfy my urge with an airshit Uzi since decent quality full size airshit Uzis are apparently no longer made due to not being tactical enough or whatever the fuck reason
Jesus, is it really that bad?

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>>35166392
Buy the uzi. Sbr it in your state. When you travel between statea put the longer barrel on it out of state. Works for other guns too

>>35166772
>Sbr it in your state. When you travel between statea put the longer barrel on it out of state.
But traveling out of state to shoot is a monthly occurrence for me and has been a significant portion of my range time as of lately. I really can't justify going through all the tax stamp related shit only to not be able to actually use the gun half the time.

>>35166795
different anon, swapping the barrel on an Uzi takes less than a minute, no tools required, I fail to see why that would be too much hassle to do couple of times a month.

>>35166942
Reread my post. I'm not actually getting to use my SBRed Uzi if I'm swapping back to a 16" barrel for a significant portion of my range trips.

>>35166962
no matter how many times I re-read the post I see nothing that would explain why you wouldn't be able to use the Uzi, sure it wouldn't be an SBR with the long barrel (duh, that's the point of swapping the barrel), but I'd say being able to shoot with a non-SBR Uzi is still better than not being able to shoot the Uzi because you can't bring it out of state.

>>35167045
Except not wanting a retarded Uzi with a 16" barrel is the reason I haven't bought a non SBR rifle version, and being stuck with a retarded Uzi with a 16" barrel whenever I'm doing some more causal shooting with other people instead just of shooting at my local range by myself completely ruins it. Would you want a sports car that turns into a rusty yellow Ford Pinto eyesore every time you're not at a track and just driving casually?

>>35167119
so, using your own analogy, because being able to drive a sports car would mean having to at times drive a Pinto, you'd rather not have either?

I never thought I'd have to say this to someone on /k/, but no-one cares about your first-world problem, so suck it up.

>>35166231
Well this is from my dad who shot the Suomi SMG, the drum mag was really easy and fast to load if you knew the trick with it. Mind you he did say he prefered the KP44 in the long patrols they had to make in Border Guard. Another problem they had with Suomis was that theirs where handme downs from the military and their barrels tended to be worn down such a degree that the started to be dangerous to use. One incident he told was guy shooting balsawood blanks in a training excercise and the blanks actually would pierce the tents they where shooting at as the adapter in the barrel failed.

>>35167175
>because being able to drive a sports car would mean having to at times drive a Pinto
When the only times you'd be able to drive the sports car would be when your by yourself in a semi serious practice environment, and any time you're driving casually you'd be stuck with the rusty yellow Pinto eyesore, then yes, especially when I have other options available that don't limit me in that way. What's the point of having a gun that you like if you can only use it in a semi serious practice environment by yourself? It's the same reason Canadians prefer guns other than AR-15s that they can shoot at places other than official gun ranges.

>>35167211
interesting that they didn't have decent barrels (the armorer was probably a cheapskate or something along those lines), also Suomi didn't have a separate blank firing attachment, instead the barrel would be replaced with one that has had its muzzle-end flattened.

Open bolt

>>35167286
>What's the point of having a gun that you like if you can only use it in a semi serious practice environment by yourself?
what exactly is preventing you from using it elsewhere? Is there some weird law in your state that foces you to either use it as an SBR alone on a certain range or put in a 16" barrel and take the gun to another state for shooting?

>>35167286
reminder: this is what you said in the first place:
>traveling out of state to shoot is a monthly occurrence for me and has been a significant portion of my range time as of lately.
to me it sounds like you are *choosing* to go out of state to shoot, why can't you shoot in your own state?

>>35167306
Huh didn't know that, the adpter was all my addition as I haven't shot Suomi myself. Dad did say that the barrel was so wornout that it didn't stop the blanks and the guy shot right through these tents when they where attacking a camp during excercise. Luckily nobody got hurt, just scared the shit out of unlucky guy doing the shooting.

And what I understand that was the general state of the Suomis the Border Guards had at that time, as I said they given by military who had been using them for several decades by then.

>>35167444
that explains it; it was probably the blank-firing barrels that were worn out & dangerous, the ones used for live firing were probably still good to go since I recall hearing that when the Suomis were finally surplussed there were piles upon piles of pristine barrels that were now going to be scrapped & the people tasked with the scrapping thought it was a crime to destroy perfectly good barrels.

>>35155885
Military victory political failure

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>>35145856
you're not shooting it!

>>35167339
>>35167383
The other people I shoot casually with don't live in my state or go to different local ranges. It makes more sense to shoot on one of their properties when we get together than having everyone pay for membership at another range. You do understand that people sometimes live near the borders of states, don't you?

>>35167658
>You do understand that people sometimes live near the borders of states, don't you?
all you had to do was to say "I want to shoot with my friends & they can't come play with me in Shithole, Arizona", no need to be an ass about it.

>>35167702
>"I want to shoot with my friends & they can't come play with me in Shithole, Arizona"
I thought that would have been pretty obvious with my post here: >>35167119, so I spelled it out for everyone who apparently didn't get it the first time..

>>35167722
you had me confused when you started saying that you'd *have to* shoot it alone, since you apparently have access to a range in your state, why can't you take your friends there, does everyone who shoots there need their own membership or something?

>>35167775
>does everyone who shoots there need their own membership or something?
Yeah, you need to be a member to shoot there. Members are allowed to bring a single guest, but that doesn't work when you want to shoot with more than one person.

>>35165871
>86+ years old design is backwards and outdated
Well ok. This is what this thread about.

>>35147064
I want a semi auto version of one of those

>>35145879
/thread