Best quality semi-auto Rifle in .308

>>35145563
KAC SR-25. Costs a shitton though.

I'm partial to HK91 pattern rifles, but the SCAR is objectively the best.

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>>35145563
Does anyone have any experience with the POF guns or HK417? Not necessarily .308 related but I eventually want to use my saved up dosh to get one once I leave muh hellhole state.

No experience myself, but a galil shill wrote a review saying that AR10s have issues with reliability while his galil 308 was basically perfect

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>>35145585
>ever getting a piston rifle that doesnt fold

>>35145585
HK MR762

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>>35145573

No shit

>>35145594
>implying piston is bad
>implying SCAR isn't piston
>implying I need it to fold
Begone, harlot!

>>35145597
That's another rifle to add to my list of shit I want, but I want to know if anyone here has experience with them.

scar 17 is the most accurate but for its price tag it should have a better stock, a better trigger, and an aluminum lower.

>>35145651
>most accurate
no

>>35145671
then what is?

>>35145681
LMT or kac

>>35145700
Where is the evidence

Just watch Nutnfancy real quick and you'll find the answer

>>35145711
The fact that those are the two best brands on the market for an AR10. Go Google it.

>>35145711
Not that anon, but what is the MOA of the SCAR? Match-grade ammo results are acceptable and preferred. In return I'll look for LMT and KAC MOA.

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>>35145722

Bullshit, give specific examples. The US military just increased their contract for more SCAR's and FN MK-20's. Because of their Effectiveness in Combat

>>35145744
>it's expensive so it's good
Cheap ass BA is submoa too fuckhead

>>35145746
MOA or slightly better is the general consensus. That's about where most semi auto rifles top out with match ammo

>>35145780
Fuck you are dumb

Dollar for dollar it's probably the SCAR, though the M&P10 is good runner up.

>>35145790
Not an argument

>>35145810
You don't own an AR10 so your opinion doesn't mean shit. Those two companies aren't good because they cost more it because they have a good reputation you count.

>>35145563

SCAR

no question

>>35145842
Name something that LMT or KAC does different that is functionally different from milspec parts aside from LMT's monolithic rails

>>35145711
Fucking Google you tweenager

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If DPMS and S&W AR10s are $800-$1500, what makes the SCAR 17 worth the extra grand or so on average? Let's say that the goal is to have a semi-auto rifle that can reach out and touch steel at 800+ meters in .308 with a nice optic. It seems like the AR is just a better deal for someone who would shoot a lot, being able to afford a new barrel and customizing the trigger all for less than the SCAR would have cost outright, unless there is a significantly large difference in benched accuracy or general reliability.

>>35145722
>Nutnfancy
>real quick
these do not belong together

scar is best 308

>>35145878
>make claim
>"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF MY CLAIMS?????"

>>35145876
> QUALITY CONTROL
> use in competition
> Google
Jesus fucking Christ the "not an argument" meme needs to die. It's not everyones responsibility to make sure your opinions are informed and unfucked.
I'm not you goddamn teacher. Do some research on a website where people actually own guns before you open your fat fucking teenage noguns face

>>35145876
Excellent barrels, and excellent qc. You would know this if you owned one.

>>35145563
AR-10. The SCAR is an overhyped, overpriced meme gun sold based on its mall ninja reputation.

>>35145780
LMT
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/lmt-308-ar-review/
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/lewis-machine-tools-lm8mws/#lmt-lm8mws-swmp-jan-lead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMoP6ONNl_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjOy16CnDyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINr72US9yI

Still looking for ammo and MOA stats, so give it a bit more time.

KAC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3E2GunHmS4
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/gun-review-lwrc-r-e-p-r-20-308-sniper-model/
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/daniel-defense-dd5v1-shot-show-2016/
http://www.defensereview.com/kac-sr-25-em-carbine-for-u-s-military-special-operations-specops-dr-photos-from-sofic-2010/

Same problem, issue finding sufficient ammo and MOA stats.

>>35145900
>>35145902
>no evidence for your claims
>"STOP BEING DUMB"
Post your LMTs and SR-25s that you've compared side by side with your SCAR17s then

>>35145900
Why do people get so butthurt about the burden of proof?

>>35145629
>implying piston is bad
He may be implying it, but I'm outright stating it.

Piston is bad. It's a pointless addition of weight, complexity and proprietary parts to a rifle that doesn't need it.

You are correct that it doesn't need to fold though.

>>35145909
This is what we need more of on /k/
I'll grab some Scar videos after watching these ones if you don't beat me to it

The problem I have with most of the forums is people don't talk about how many rounds they fire in a group, which drastically changes results

Is the armalite DEF10 a good first battle rifle? Is it a good battle rifle at all?

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>>35145563
Best is a subjective thing.
The enlightened choice is to choose both

>>35145912
I own an LMT. No scar. Which is more than what you have.

>>35145884
what is that??

>>35145884
What the fuck am i looking at here

>>35145932
This. Why have only one? If you can afford one you can probably afford both or at least save.

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>>35145842
?

>>35145938
>>35145940
a 10/22 stuffed into an Airshit MP5

>>35145934
>still no backup to your claims
>"the thing i own is better than the other thing i have not experienced by virtue of me owning this"
Z o z z l e

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>>35145944
>imblying I dont own both

>>35145563

>best quality
>plastic lower

Pick exactly one you double nigger

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>>35145918
>pistons
>complex

Now weight and proprietary parts I can get, but pistons are anything but that. Often times it is little more than a metal bar with a cup on the end and a spring.

>>35145947
>burn the patch now.jpg

>>35145884
For reference, the topic of this thread is the BEST semiautomatic .308, not "muh just as good as" or most affordable.

Gotta pay to play, my dude.

>>35145956
I never claimed the AR10 was more accurate than the scar. LMT and KAC are just as good if not better than FN. I own an LMT so I can have an opinion on that brand, your don't own shit so fuck off you stupid retard.

You can't prove the scar is better outside og your little jerk off dreams.

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>>35145958
Dang lol the man behind the screen is revealed and he is legit

>>35145563

KAC if you are going to be sitting on a bench.

SCAR if you are going to be walking around.

AR10 if you are doing it just to fit in.

>>35145958
>Implying I'm implying.
I was agreeing with you famalam.

>>35145958
Is it weird that I want the 16s less now because they're back down to around $2400 and add to cart status again?

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>>35145991
Using chrome lined barrels in the LMT MWS, KAC SR25, or SCAR 17s, your going to be about moa for accuracy using good ammo.

Using nice match barrels in any of those rifles are going to get you closer to .6-8. I own an MWS and a SCAR, shoot with guys who use the SR25.

>>35146014
My 17 needed a little brother. I get it.

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Full disclosure- I have never owned a scar17 or an AR10, but have shot both pretty extensively.

>Most accurate- high quality AR10
>Most practical and useful - SCAR17
>My absolute favorite - my PTR91 Yes it's heavier, less accurate(even though I've shot it out to 1000 yards with success), and has a retarded manual of arms, it's just so fucking cool

>>35146029
I own an mws as well

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>>35145629
>That's another rifle to add to my list of shit I want, but I want to know if anyone here has experience with them.
Its possible that I can shoot one next days but it rocks

>>35145991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zLBF_Gkg91U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rFxxMnaWIic
>online reviews don't exist

>>35145987
What makes a SCAR worth $1k more?

>>35145779

Do you have a link?

>>35146044
>not kac
>not lmt

Nice try idiot

>>35146048
Market demand.
The SCAR is priced compared to it competitors. The budget AR10 crowd isnt in the same market segment.

LMT. OBR, SR25 potential buyers are.

>>35145915
Because using Google isn't that hard, and it's frustrating when people with no knowledge on a subject come into the subject and just whine about guns they haven't even picked up before. Using Google isn't that hard.

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>>35145932
>under 10lbs
>only the newschool fn

>>35145918
> Pistons are weighty and complex
Doesn't weigh much more than a pen really. Piston ar10s are the shit as long as they have dealt with carrier tillt in some fashion

>>35145563
THE CHEAPEST way to get a good ar10 is to get an mp10, replace the gasblock and handguard, and throw on a decent optic. Youll end up with a sub 7lbs rifle thats capable out to 1k sub moa shots.

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>>35145780
That's much too high of an expectation for anything semi auto with any focus on weight.

>T. Sub moa auto loading rifle.

>>35146096
Wrong

>>35146066
So spending $1k more on a logo and not a better gun.

>>35145964
A long-stroke piston, yes. But mutilated ARs and the SCAR use short-stroke pistons, which are multi-part assemblies with extra springs.

The standard AR gas system is as simple as can be. It's just a tube, and a gas ring on the bolt body. And ontop of that, that tube is a multi-function piece that also serves as a safety feature to prevent barrel ruptures. It's designed to rupture just before the barrel gets hot enough to explode, thus eliminating the danger of a barrel pop, and preventing the rest of the gun from being damaged.

>>35146048
Falsely earned reputation and FN marketing.

>>35146101
in specific way am I wrong?

>>35146107
No.
The cheaper rifles, with lesser feature sets cost less.
The more expensive rifles, with more desirable features cost more.

>>35146089
>Doesn't weigh much more than a pen really
Irrelevant. If the extra weight is unnecessary, then it's still extra weight. There's no need to have it. Ounces turn into pounds is a truism for a reason.

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>>35146055
YES, proof

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/28/colt-fn-win-212-million-army-m4-contract/

Also, Spoke to FN America representative in SC. FN claims allegedly that delay on Civilian version of FN MK-20 was due to increase in production for US SOCOM contract.

Could be bullshit, but why lie? Wouldn't FN choose to make money in civilian market if they had time to?

>>35145927
True. Doesn't hurt to try various testing groups I suppose then. As in 3, 5, 10, 20, and 30, and compare results.

Anyhow, the only things giving me MOA and ammo are forums and YouTube. Take'em with a grain of salt.

LMT:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/LMT_MWS_308_Ammo___what_surplus_budget_ammo_will_it_eat_reliably_/121-517018/
http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/175140-most-accurate-308-semi-auto-ar-pattern-rifle/?page=2
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?63240-LMT-MWS-What-ammo-is-accurate-4-U/page2

KAC:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/SR_25_16andamp_quot__EM_ammo_recommendations/381-211527/
http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/cartridges-calibers/24829-ka-sr-25-barrier-round.html
http://www.snipercentral.com/stoner-sr-25/
http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/sr25-ecc-running-review
https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/Knights_m110_or_the_sr_25_e2_apr_/381-270027/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxAtgoVDim8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fu5-7MO7EM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8O_dGo47XE

>>35146117
>It's designed to rupture just before the barrel gets hot enough to explode, thus eliminating the danger of a barrel pop, and preventing the rest of the gun from being damaged.
This may sound silly but...

Do they have quick change gas tubes?

>>35146136
In premise, but not in reality when comparing rifles like a SCAR and AR-10.

>>35146136
Accounting for various manufactures and standard deviation, of course?

>>35146229
No, in actual reality, the SCAR can, and does charge more. If all your looking for is a semi auto .308 that is accurate and takes 20 round mags, get an FNAR.

>>35146145
> Moving the goal posts
So how much do your shoes weigh? Is your bug-out bag made of Ultra lightweight material specifically designed for a long distance hiking?
How about your socks?
What kind of optic are you putting on there? If it's anything other than a single power it weighs more than what's necessary.
Do you smoke? Drink alcohol?
Are you the kind of person who doesn't have backup iron sights on their gun because it weighs too much?
Maybe the trade-off for three and a half ounces of metal is the fact that you need to carry fever cleaning supplies with you and service your rifle less.
Fucking eh

>>35145563
If the MDR passes civilian trials it's going to shit all over all of your inferior grandpa guns and you know it.

>>35145585
I have a P415. So far it's gone over 20k rounds without a single misfire and eats steel like it's nothing. It's the most reliable rifle I've ever had.

>>35145563

>>35146117
>that tube is a multi-function piece that also serves as a safety feature to prevent barrel ruptures. It's designed to rupture just before the barrel gets hot enough to explode, thus eliminating the danger of a barrel pop, and preventing the rest of the gun from being damaged.
That sounds awesome and I never knew it, got a source?

>>35146262
>passes civilian trials
wat

>>35146214
Not really. All you have to do is remove the upper handguard, drive out one roll pin, and then remove the tube, insert a fresh one, and replace the pin and handguard.

It's not intended to be done in the field. The gun is supposed to go back to a field armorer, and the soldier gets a replacement right away. The armorer fixes the gun behind the lines, and it goes back into circulation.

>>35146252
>Moving the goal posts
You don't know what that means. In fact, the one who's actually doing that here is *you*.

>What kind of optic are you putting on there? If it's anything other than a single power it weighs more than what's necessary.
And this line is the conclusive proof that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>35146041
>>35146273
Thank you. Also if you ever modified the gun, how is parts compatibility? I like 16" barrels, but I like 20" too.

>>35146282
They just released the MDR numbnuts, I'm not even him. As long as there aren't any major problems and it's everything they promised is basically a "do all" rifle with some caveats

>>35146274
I believe it was in Edward Ezell's The Black Rifle, or the sequel that Chris Bartocci wrote.

>>35145563
M14's from Springfield are of top tier quality

>>35146347
AHAHAHAHAHA
>M14
>quality

>>35146338
They promised it would be out years ago too.
The market demand for bullpups is basically millenials who want guns to look different.

>>35145563
Words like ''best'' require context. What would you like to do with this rifle?

>>35146356
>has no rebuttals
>can't rebut at all

>>35146356
>can't name one thing wrong with the m14

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>>35146377

>>35146248
So you agree that SCAR rifles cost more simply for a brand name?

>>35146387
No.
There is more to a rifle than a caliber, action type, and mag capacity.

>>35146382
>someone said something
>its an opinion piece

wow woopty fuckin do

>front heavy because I fucked with the entire stock
then don't change it? the wood finish is amazing and the polymer versions aren't heavy at all. the 16'' versions are even lighter and aren't "front heavy"

>mags hard to change
its a similar mechanism to a VEPR or AKM. You insert the mag and rock it back into place, the 10 round mags are more difficult than the 20's but the 20's just rock right in effortlessly.

>its hard to mount optics
lol no it fucking isn't there are tons of third party mods to mount optics.

>the trigger sucks
and nothing else to note about it? I love the trigger, theres no creep and the pulls are even and consistent, if you don't like it then change it out, the trigger group comes out in one piece.

>gas system less reliable than an M1
based on what?

>>35146382
>the controls are wonky
what does this even mean? It has a bolt and a simple safety. What more could you possibly want? Zeroing and windage isn't difficult at all.

>>35146198

Wrong link? That one's for the M4 contract.

But yeah, they promised the civilian CSR and SSR like what 2 years ago and had pictures of them in the SC plant but we didn't hear anything after that.

>>35146401
So I will ask again, what makes a SCAR worth $1k+ more than a nice AR-10?

Friendly reminder that the army considers the M14 a failure and seriously considered going back to the Garand.

>>35146448
You have an invalid baseline. A nice AR10 costs the same or more than a SCAR 17s.

>>35146480
>the army considers the m14 a failure
>the same army that wanted a one size fits all rifle including sniper, DMR, SAW and infantry rifle for all their solutions in one rifle

man you really don't have a fucking clue

>>35146448
You have to decide for yourself. Possible advantages would be:
1) Reliability of the design
2) Lighter weight than other 308 semis
3) Folding stock
4) Belgian waffle brown color scheme

I like mine.

>>35146372
>>35146377
The M14 is the worst service rifle ever adopted by the United States. It was obsolete the day it was introduced. It won the contract based on graft, fraud and blatant bias by the idiot Fudds in US Ordnance. Let's go over all the various things that make it a steaming pile of hot garbage:

>fragile dogleg oprod
>needs to be re-bedded every time you take the stock off in order to be accurate
>needs the stock taken off in order to field-strip it
>inline fuddstock
>open action
>exposed locking surfaces
>exposed extractor
>generally primative and outdated controls
>front-heavy
>has to be jury-rigged just to get optics on properly
>have to manipulate the bolt to release it
>did I mention the fuddstock?
>completely unusable in full auto

>>35146417
>I love the trigger
yeah, because you're a fanboy who would praise the M14 for cooling you off if it pissed in your mouth.

>>35146448
What does a "nice" AR10 do that a sub $500 PA10 doesnt do to justify its extra $1k price tag?

>>35146377
The design. The M1 action is not the ultimate action. The AR platform is better.

>>35146542
>yeah, because you're a fanboy who would praise the M14 for cooling you off if it pissed in your mouth.
you literally posted no flaws with the trigger beyond "I don't like it"

the trigger literally has no creep, thats why I like it but I'm a shill apparently because you have autism and can't understand other people's opinions

>>35146564
The trigger is also delicate as fuck

>>35146564
You're confusing me with someone else. But as >>35146574
points out, it is not up to the durability standards of a modern rifle.

>>35146542
I'm sure this copypasta has been posted a dozen or more times a day but just some stupid nuances

>the stock needs to be taken off to field strip it
The stock is apart of the gun dude, its 3 simple parts, the stock, the action group and the trigger group. The trigger group comes out and the gun literally falls apart, it couldn't be easier. The stock holds the action and trigger group in place its really stupidly simple. To say "the stock has to come off to field strip the gun" is like saying "the car needs to come off to take the car's tire off" or some stupid shit you want to justify this nonsense

>the fuddstock
there are 5 different stocks this comes in, the walnut wood is one of them. Don't like the wood? get the polymer version.

>has to be jury rigged to put optics on
No you don't. There are two ways to mount optics, with a picatinny rail that goes over the barrel and action or via a side mounting rail system that easily screws in. Theres nothing to jury rig I don't know where you get this nonsense from. Its literally easy as pie.

>>35146574
I don't know whats so delicate about it. I've put maybe 4k rounds through it and I've never had to even touch the trigger group ever. Its simple, consistent and theres no creep at all and thats just out of the box

>>35146615
The idea is about general quality, not some military standard that only modern rifles apply to. In terms of quality The rifle is sound right from the factory. Its accurate easily out to 500 yards with only m80 ball at approximately 3 MOA and even more so with match. While it doesn't have the adaptability of an AR-10 platform the M14 in its EBR DMR configurations has served many years in the service in that defined role. Even the lack of a free floating barrel hasn't hindered my accuracy at all. Sure I could be more accurate with another gun of similar format and price but it competes well for what it is.

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>>35146702
A bad MR762 shoot 1.5MOA
Normal is 1.1-1.4
Its lil fat but the cleaning is easy and its sexy

Why so pricy?

>>35146727
Isnt the mr762 a bare steel barrel

>>35146727
I'm shooting PPU 7.62x51 M80 so I know its not as accurate as it could be but at 300 yards, a 3 inch group isn't bad at all. I only use PPU because its 50 cents a round and about 30 to reload it.

>why so pricy?
You think Springfield's M1A is pricy, Fulton Armory is charging double for some fucking reason. I think its pricy because only springfield, fulton and some other chinese shitter company is making them. They have an aesthetic quality to them.

>>35146635
>The stock is apart of the gun dude
no shit, sherlock

>The trigger group comes out and the gun literally falls apart, it couldn't be easier.
>it couldn't be easier
Is your stupid M1A the only semiauto you own?
>AR: remove pin, hinge open reciever, bolt slides right out
>AK: depress detent, remove reciever cover, bolt slides right out
In both cases, the rest of the gun stays together. You don't need to remove any of the furniture in order to field strip the gun. You don't have a pile of loose parts everywhere. On the AR, everything is retained, and on the AK, the only loose parts are the receiver cover and recoil spring guide. Field-stripping either an AR or an AK does not force you to re-bed and re-zero the gun in order to keep it accurate.

>The stock holds the action and trigger group in place
Yes, this is the flaw, for reasons explained above.

>there are 5 different stocks this comes in
And they're all fuddstocks. Except the EBR stock, which is arguably even worse than having a fuddstock because it makes an already overweight rifle downright obese.

>There are two ways to mount optics, with a picatinny rail that goes over the barrel and action or via a side mounting rail system that easily screws in
Exactly. You need to screw extra crap onto the rifle in order to do something as basic as putting an optic on, because it wasn't designed to use optics in the first place.

>>35146702
>the M14 in its EBR DMR configurations has served many years in the service in that defined role
Only because the US had a ton of the garbage lying around, and were too cheap to replace them. They were just barely adequate to hold out until better (AR-10 based) rifles were adopted.

>but it competes well for what it is.
A pointless rifle for nostalgic fudds? Yeah, I'll give you that.

>>35146744
>They have an aesthetic quality to them.
the aesthetic quality of a wifebeater and a soup-stained moustache

>>35146738
the MR-line is to get more precision.
>>35146744
>>why so pricy?
>You think Springfield's M1A is pricy
??? Talking around the HK MR762

>>35146780
And they couldnt have nitrided the barrel?

>>35146738
Yes.

>>35146792
you can nitate it after buying but back wouldnt work

>>35146792
why nitrate it ?
With handloads its possible to shoot 0.9MOA

>>35146838
Barrel life, zero loss of accuracy

Anyone bought a LWRC rifle?

I hear they are chambered in 7.62 and 5.56 and they both are very high quality in regards to AR platforms. But a bit pricey.

Anyone have any experience with said company?

>>35146844
If the process is done correctly. The process is violent, and a lot of things can go wrong.

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>>35146748

>>35146844
I would use it for the 300-500yrd range and never for 10K rounds

Ammo cost shekele and a handmade german bolt-Action is primäry

>>35146854
Initial lwrc repr were utter shit. Like magwell was too small to cleanly insert mags. They have since sorted them out.

>>35146859
Do you think HK could get the process done right?

>>35146883
aside from that they are fairly good tho right?

>>35146890
for 100%
Germanys west side is fucking strong with chemistry and guns

nice to do both

PWS Mk2 Mod1 fight me faggots!

>>35146901
The newer ones are, yes

>>35146904
So again, why didnt HK nitride them? Its a curious thing to be missing today.

>>35146938
>German market [I can buy them instant like G36s...]
>Germans shoot slow like 30rounds a day max
>no nitration is needed
they start to build a new company in US
>well, I think they will do in the next 3-5years

>>35145884
Scar-17 also eats scopes.

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>>35145681
m1a super match, why do you think its the main 308 semi auto that is used in competition?

>>35146997
Eats shitty scopes.
The SCAR cannot abide garbage. It literally kills crappy optics out of pure spite

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>>35145594
>Not using a DFA Modified Cycling System
>not installing a gas piston system yourself
It's like youre a trustfund baby, a welfare queen, or just an idiot with no limits or financial responsibility

http://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/oracle-16-308-winchester-prod90045.aspx?avs%7cCartridge_1=CTT_308%2bWinchester

>>35146890
Oh, there isn't any doubt about that but would they want to is the question. It's a large investment.

>>35147003
M1As arent really in competition outside of m14 only divisions.

>>35147019
>would they want to is the question
they have to for the US-market

>>35147019
To sell more $3500 rifles

>>35145681
GAP 10

Scar is nice, but it excels because of its light weight and reliability. Accuracy is good, but not the best due to the pencil profile barrel and ballistic limitations of the 7.62/.308. Aftermarket barrels help bring the Scar to GAP levels of precision.

>>35147040
they'll sell them anyway

People don't buy HK because they make substantially better guns. They buy HK because of the name.

>>35147056
They wont sell as many.

>>35147013
OK but what does a SCAR do that an AR-10 can't? DI is more accurate. The AR-10 platform has more accessories and it's a lot cheaper. The only reason I can see to get a scar is for extreme cold weather where DI is an issue, but even then I think I would prefer a sig 716.

>>35146285
Ok that's the reason I prefer pistons, but also understandable why some don't value it (such as yourself). Pistons disperse heat much better than gas, or at least don't risk burst. This isn't a concern if you're just shooting a shot every minute or so or not shooting 2k rounds non-stop. However I like the idea of having something that doesn't burst on me inspite of my abuse of such.

>>35147088
Its a more robust system that is less sensitive to lubrication. Yes you can get a 308 AR for under $500 now, and for the budget consumer, the SCAR is priced too high.

Im not trying to say that you should get a SCAR, but there are reasons why someone would want one over a budget 308 AR.

>>35147093
You have missed the point completely.

>at least don't risk burst
Yes they do. It's just that when they DO burst, it's not the gas tube popping, it's the barrel. Which ruins the rifle and can hurt you pretty seriously.

>>35147056
>People don't buy HK because they make substantially better guns. They buy HK because of the name.
They make really good guns

>>35147155
they make pretty OK guns that are waaay overpriced for what they are

HK used to be a cool company that actually innovated. Now they're just the Apple of guns, coasting off their reputation and claiming credit for things other people invented.

>>35147161
>>35147056
HK are a horrible company to deal with, overprice their products and genuinely seem to dislike everyone who buys their equipment but what they make is nearly always to a high standard.

>>35147154
Ok, I'm basing my claims more on the cream rather than the bread and butter. A POF won't have as likely chance to burst as some no name brand piston AR. That said, a 2k POF that shows to cook without exploding is a nice feature.

>>35147155
Their handguns maybe. The rifles almost always leave things to be desired.

>>35147180
You're basing your claims on a fundamental lack of understanding of the thing you are talking about.

>>35147189
Show me a POF that has exploded. Rarely so pistons explode and when they do it's usually on the piston or near it.

Also the refining methods have greatly improved in recent years, with metals such as iron and aluminum being much purer than they use to. Remember when soda cans were quarter inch thick? Now paper thin. Barrel life and durability is better and longer lasting. Pistons are fine.

>>35146198
most likely it is true since FN isn't shy about selling civilians clones of their military guns, just look at the m4/m16a4 collectors editions and even that fucking M249S for Christs sake. if FN can make a boat load of money selling shit they already make just minus the giggle switch they are gonna do it. they are basically what we want every gun manufacture that sells to the military to be.

>>35147161
can you recomment a beter gun than the MR762 for a semi 308?
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen.html?s_t=.308&s_hk=13&s_sk=56&s_k=&s_z=&s_p=&s_d=&o=neu&v=

Living in Germany and this is what I can buy

>>35147253
What kind of shooting do you want to do? Its a fine gun, and from what i know of the german market, its going to be largely better than anything else on the market

>>35147272
for longerange (I will buy a .308 bolt too)
I work to get the 1000yrdlater but I want a .308semi for /k/reasons.
At least its for fun and precisionsshooting.

>>35145972
Kek underrated

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>>35147253
nice german-fag

>>35146507
Quick, try to quote Wikipedia to prove yourself correct.

That gun is absolutely beautiful

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>>35147397
german gun market???
Fuck you nazis!

>>35146534
You paid $1k extra for waffle brown.

>>35146489
But that's wrong.

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>>35146248
>get an FNAR
How is it btw? Its like half the price of the SCAR, but twice as pretty

>>35147552
I know an indian chief who might want one.

>>35145884
Designed for longevity. Scar was made to socom standards and tested to hell and back. Your budget bin bottom of the shit barrel ar10's would probably droop their barrel if you did a couple of quick magdumps. Also piston, hello where the fuck have you been for the last couple of years? Anything with a piston in it has an immediately higher pricetag.

>>35145906
You're a fucking retard, which ar10? A dpms or psa chump model? Do you know their cyclic rate? How they handle suppression? How much sustained fire till barrel droop or any other malfunction. No you're just a fucking idiot.

C308.
Seriously.
Find me another .308 with sexy G3 aesthetics for less than $700.

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>>35147772
>G3 aesthetic
>sexy
It looks like poverty

>>35145963
The scar lower is different from an ar lower you fucking retard. It doesn't matter, it's not even serialized it doesnt do jack shit. Its like hurrrr hk has the polymer trigger housing for their guns you hear how much those catastrophically fail?

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>>35147779
the coolest guy

>>35146096
The subject of the thread isn't CHEAPEST my dear bubba gump it's GOODEST

>>35146338
Those caveats are what we are discussing regarding other models and make or break a rifle your fucking idiot. Numbnuts.

>>35147544
You're wrong you fucking ignorant nigger faggot.

>>35146544
Answer this question you dodgy little bitch. >>35146448 #
What does a "nice" AR10 do that a sub $500 PA10 doesnt do to justify its extra $1k price tag?

He was being generous, a normal palmetto state armory pa10 will come out to $460 for the complete upper and complete lower.

>>35147161
You're a fucking idiot. Glock is the apple of guns.

How does the .308 Galil ACE stack up against the SCAR 17?

>>35148059
Well they both shoot 308

>>35147519
Everyone knows that Belgian waffles are superior to regular ones

>>35145918
you're a fucking retard.

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>>35148204
Werd

>>35145900

You do know this is a website where people own guns, right?

>>35148372
to be fair, most posters here are pretty fucking dumb.

>>35146014
It's human nature to want things that are rare. Probably a good time to think hard about whether you really want one or not, because this won't last forever.

>>35146198
They lost to HK for the army contract, though I suppose you could still be right. Hope we get the mk20 some day.

http://www.guns.com/2016/04/03/hk-wins-army-sniper-rifle-contract/

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>>35146117
>SCAR use short-stroke pistons, which are multi-part assemblies with extra springs

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>>35146117
>SCAR use short-stroke pistons, which are multi-part assemblies with extra springs

OP here, yeah this guy doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. I own a SCAR17s, I created this thread to avoid bias, and check my own perspective using FACTS. Btw I bought mine for $2660 (MIL/LEO program)

Anyways, I conclude that different strokes for different folks (punn intended). But SCAR17s is still the better package, (unless you don't care about the extra features). Either way, the US military has multiple 7.62 NATO semi-auto guns. When I say BEST, I mean most accurate, durable, and proven effectiveness (preferably in the field)

>>35146982
Also the german versions (MR308 and MR223) are hard-chrome plated

>>35147088
1) you can't afford a SAPR.
2) DI is SHIT. I say this as an owner of 2 high dollar AR 10s
3) fuck you

>>35147552
That honestly looks damn neat. Got any videos of someone competing with it?

>>35147088
DI,

because shitting where you eat is intelligent design.....

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>>35145563

POF Revolution

>>35152198
This about best quality. Not mid range

>>35152271
delet