Classified Aircraft Crash Area 51 - Pilot Death

Lt. Col. Eric Schultz was sent back in time pilot """American Airlines Flight 77"""

>>35143716
1 dead means probably single seat so if they're not announcing it it's likely a captured Russian/Chinese fighter.

F/Ayyyy-18

>>35143849
when was the last capture opportunity for a chinese or russian fighter? 1991 or prior?

i can imagine a few soviet jets went "missing" during the fall of the soviet union, but i can't imagine a chinese jet being captured recently.

maybe it was a stealth testbed?

>>35143893

Fucking lost it...

>>35143915
>when was the last capture opportunity for a chinese or russian fighter? 1991 or prior?
>Implying we don't have a bunch from just buying them via intermediaries

>>35143915
>maybe it was a stealth testbed?
Probably something like this.

The stealthy planes use really weird materials and shapes, wouldn't surprise me if a prototype had an accident.

It was probably a prototype b-21 raider

>>35143716
http://aviationweek.com/defense/fatal-nevada-crash-involved-foreign-aircraft-type
More or less confirmed that it was a foreign jet.

>>35143915
You could do a backdoor deal with Pakistan for a JF-17 (even if they're the only operator). For Russian you could deal with quite a few customers. Malaysia is a friend of the US and they operate Su-30s.

>>35144019
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>>35143915
The crash occurred during daytime / late afternoon, so it wouldn't be a secret stealth platform (other than maybe an F-117; the USAF still hasn't acknowledged that they're flying one or two again).

People are probably already claiming that it was an F-35 but they don't want it to be known.

>>35144068
>You could do a backdoor deal with Pakistan for a JF-17 (even if they're the only operator). For Russian you could deal with quite a few customers. Malaysia is a friend of the US and they operate Su-30s.
what about the chinese?

>>35143716
How have none of you realized it's the F-42? That thing has been in development for yea-

>>35143915
>captured chink fighter
We already have real Russian Migs and Sukois in our testbed inventories. Flying thier subpar Chink knockoffs would be a waste of fuel.

>>35144068
>The crash occurred during daytime / late afternoon, so it wouldn't be a secret stealth platform (other than maybe an F-117; the USAF still hasn't acknowledged that they're flying one or two again).

I agree. Really spoopy stuff wouldn't even be in the news.

>>35144072
>Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David L. Goldfein, while traveling Saturday morning to the annual conference of the National Guard Association of the United States in Louisville, Ky., ruled out speculation the aircraft involved may have been an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

>"I can definitely say it was not an F-35," he told a Military.com reporter accompanying him on the trip.

>>35144072
>F-35 crash in A51

Fuck, I don't want it to be this. There would be no end to the F-35 hate threads

>>35144072
The F-35 isn't classified, so it would have been revealed. DoD doesn't give a fuck about potential negative press if that's what you're on about.

>>35144120
AFCoS has stated it's definitely not an F-35. He'd be vaguer or "No Comment" if they were trying to keep such a crash quiet.

>>35143716
I never knew there was cargo ships out there.

It was most likely one of those aggressor Flankers.

>>35144337
too soon

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>>35143915
Pic related at groom lake

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>>35144698
And this pic is at Wright Patterson Air Force Base

>>35143716
>hangar 18
>Nevada

No, we Ohioans are quite happy keeping the ayys here.

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>>35144710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lE6HcBPxw
So yeah

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>>35144725
https://theaviationist.com/2017/01/06/these-crazy-photos-show-a-russian-su-27-flanker-dogfighting-with-a-u-s-air-force-f-16-inside-area-51/

>>35144088
O shit! A sniper! Get d

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>>35143716

>>35144710
>that dedication to maintaining Russian maintenance standards
Impressive

>>35144068
>You could do a backdoor deal with Pakistan for a JF-17
Okay, but even then, would countries like Pakistan that are supplied by the Chinese, risk in souring relations with their closest ally?

How would China not know or at least become suspicious?

Really one of the major factors that prevent Pakistan and India from going to war is China. Yeah, sure, nukes. But we're talking about double-digit IQ average populations not giving a flying fuck about fallout.

I know it seems farfetched, but what stops Russia/China from intentionally leaking a schematic of a faulty version of their latest stealth fighters? Just so this kind of shit happens.

>>35144763
kek

just leaving it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9NycyNlkLs

>>35144763
The air force museum has a lot of captured migs, like 5 Mig-15/17s at least. Some "newer" migs have North Vietnamese markings, and they also have a captured Nork flag
They also have Jap, kaiser, and Nazi captures too.

>>35144733
i wonder what kind of upgrades does it have

>>35145298

It's nothing that's ever really being secret, countries do this stuff all the time. That's why they sell air-frames as 'export'

What happened here was a drill that went bad. They were practicing drills for accidental or out right confrontation with Russian Jets over Syria.

>>35145331
although su27 is the basis for the rest of them we do know that they have improved significantly since today with the latests su27bm
although i would have loved to see a dogfight with the turks but considering how they waited for the su 27bm to leave and then shoot down the su 24 i doubt we will have another chance

>>35144763
>to defeat the russians, you must become the russians

>>35145362
the only real dogfight we know of from a su 27 and above is that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cMsSkMGH0c

>>35145414
ah good stuff still remember when they totally flipped americans once more back in 2000
http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/2254/

>>35144088
>>35144747
Underrated. You guys can be pretty funny someti

>>35144068
Russia will outright sell its jets to the US via Egypt or other state actors. I also need to harp on something; The Chinese hacked the US, they also hacked Europe and Russia. The US has hacked Russia and China. I am fairly confident that the reason Russia is comfortable exporting the SU-35 is because its very, very, compromised as far as it's "known factors". Yeah derated export model but still.

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>>35145526
They tried to sell the Su-35 to Worst Korea way back when I believe.

>>35145526
>I am fairly confident that the reason Russia is comfortable exporting the SU-35 is because its very, very, compromised as far as it's "known factors".

Eh maybe, I think it's more a case of it's an 'old' air frame and it's a bit dated. Didn't they sell a bunch to India?

What's the point what's the plane
They're just hiding F-35 records because it's a fucking disaster
>1.5 trillion and rising
>Crashes on mock fight
They did this before, don't fall for it

>>35145768
Fuck off Pierre.

>>35145825
>Trusts military
Uh-huh
good goy

>>35145904
When you can't even get simple facts right in favor of dead wrong memes you don't get to contribute to the debate.

>>35145970
Well what else do you think it could be smartass
Light me up

Something secret and manned, that's different. If it's not a Red Hat thing (which is probably the most likely), I'd bet on either a scale demonstrator of the B-21 or possibly whatever the triangular twin-engine thing spotted over Amarillo in 2014 was.

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>>35145904
>Calling people goy unironically
>not understanding program costs
>not being able to draw conclusions from the recent press releases that this was clearly a Red Hat type aircraft.
>yfw

>>35145983
>AFCoS says in no uncertain terms it was not an F-35
>Classified plane
Nobody fucking knows, that's the point.

The fact that you parroted the "muh 1.5trillion" meme just proves you can't be trusted with knives and pointed scissors.

>>35145994
I doubt it was the B-21, though the Amarillo triangle is a possibility. Probably just an export Sukhoi that we can't let Russia know who we got it from.

the aircraft crashed at 6pm which would still be daytime, so I think it's unlikely that it's anything too secret (like the B-21 or other Doritos)

>>35146028
>Insulting people on internet
You don't even know me, and you're acting like a ******
Did they announce that it was Red Hat? What's the point to hide the Red Hat? It's publicly known they have opfor planes

>>35143849
To be fair, it could be any number of chase or spotter single seaters. Though with other information given you're probably right.

>>35146042
Stop insults and act fucking civil
And I have like 200 cases of when government denied everything but later it turned out other way
So your argument is wrong

>>35146052
Not a full-on B-21, but maybe a subscale test model, like that weird Boeing Bird Of Prey thing. And the Amarillo whatsits were spotted in daylight, in a flight of three not far from a major airport, so it's not totally out of the question that it was something in a "grey" project realm.

That said, I doubt it was really something deep black and interesting, the Air Force has a way of covering incidents with those up. See the RAF Boscombe Down crash in '94, or possibly the Night Ship 282 incident (civilian Cessna apparently crashed due to a midair collision with an unknown other aircraft, may or may not be government).

>>35146062
>just pretending to be retarded

For other people that are interested:
They bought foreign aircraft through a middleman and have to hide the fact that they did so.
>want to check the new Sukhoi out
>pay country that procures Sukhois to get an extra one or two
>have to keep it a secret so that Russia doesn't get pissed at the country the US bought Sukhois from.
They've done it in the past, apparently they never stopped doing it. There's not many classified aircraft that would have a reason to fly during daytime and risk being seen except for foreign fighters being evaluated by DACT. You pretty much need daylight for that.

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>>35143716
>Implying the TR3B didn't decide that the pilot wasn't worthy

>>35146102
>hurr durr public program we've had instant coverage of other incidents
You fucking idiot. Maybe if he'd been vague about his statement, but you can't back down from "I can definitely say it was not an F-35,".

>>35146187
never forget https://www.google.com/patents/US20060145019?dq=triangle+space+craft&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjexMrcrfDVAhVGM5oKHaaODowQ6AEIJzAA

>>35145561
old frame and dated? the su 27 and such family if you are talking strictly as an airplane as a pure form it still considered the best the shit this plane can do has no match

>>35146175
It's a fucking public fact that US has opfor plane(su-33 I think) since 2014
>>35146206
Like they haven't said stuff like this before

>>35146234
Gets even stranger when you click on the inventor and look what else is filed under his name.

>>35145970
oh yeah like the red flag exercise?
>HURR DURR F35 20-1 RATIO but only on gci enviroment and we conveniently forget to put it against any modern AA or even awacs and we totally threw out of the window that we had also f22 jamming the whole sky for them to do their job against the one enviroment that is already obsolete since the era of aesa radars
>b-buy it plis
>plis world we spend so much money on it we want to at least get 1/3 back
>plis?

>>35146334
>>35146234
And that, folks, is why the Patent Office needs to be frozen and placed under review.

>>35146297
no match in airshows, maybe.

>>35146357
But what if it is real though https://www.google.com/patents/US20060073976

>>35146365
yes i love the fact that idiots always bring that airshow excuse

tell me something when both russia and usa fills their planes with aesa and both parties will jam the shit out of them how exactly are you going to bvr?
or even fox 2 ?
shit now you cant really give an answer eh cause dogfights will still be a thing in the future considering that both parties will be blind as shit and all that they can know is that there is a stealth plane out there pinging with aesa..

hmm really fires up my neurons

>>35146315
>public fact
No it isn't, there have been sightings of Su-27s occasionally at groom lake but they're believed to be privately owned contractors. This new crash would imply that the US has foreign fighter aircraft which is not public knowledge. There's a reason the original release said "classified aircraft" you fuck.

>Su-33 I think
Please stop spouting bullshit on subjects you know nothing about. How exactly would the USAF get an aircraft that Russia has barely built any of and never exported?

>>35146315
>Like they haven't said stuff like this before
Please actually cite such a blatant lie like you claim.

>>35146336
RF17-1 they were up against a harder IADS/air defense scenario than any other plane had been tested against you moron.

>>35146406
>American and Russian AESA are congruent
>American and Russian jamming is congruent
>Russian "stealth" being anywhere near American LO
>1 square meter frontal RCS on an aircraft they can't even afford

>>35145561
>>35146297
SU-35 is only old insofar as the Eagle is old. New materials and methodologies are used to build the later generation variants. Same for the Eagle. Old A/Bs were lots of metal, new E variants are lots of composites.

This is the guy who commented on russia being comfortable selling the Su-35 by the way.

The Design is "old" but incremental. It is not true stealth, and trails behind the west in terms of avionics and engines. Its kinematics are top notch for what it was designed for. Russians would spam a variety of missiles, and close to gun range. That was their method. The battlespace has changed now. I think that super maneuverability is no longer such a concern due to missile technology improving.

Please no one cite vietnam. I will cite how desktop computers could never happen. Technology has evolved, become reliable and efficient, and even cheap to produce.

>>35146315
>trying to be a smartass
>not knowning that the su 33 is just the naval su 27
>literally a plane they already have...
>>35146426
they literally said both scenarios were gci one with f22s and one without
and the opposing team didnt had the luxury of any awacs or even at least a patriot system or whatever the hell usa has for a 3d aesa land based to even have a remotely close scenario to the real world

>>35146392
So this is what, a patent for an Alcubierre warp drive? Using things whose existence hasn't even been confirmed yet? This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say the current patent system is retarded. Though it is interesting to note the same guy holds a patent for isomer-based induced gamma emission as a detonator for a fusion weapon.

>>35146442
oh yeah the good old murica tech is the best tech

also i think its time to just spewing numbers from random jurnalists with no way to back it up only because we can use it as a meme k?

>>35146457
Oh no, it's a time machine based on the theory provided by John Titor,

>>35146446
>they literally said both scenarios were gci one with f22s and one without
>and the opposing team didnt had the luxury of any awacs or even at least a patriot system or whatever the hell usa has for a 3d aesa land based to even have a remotely close scenario to the real world
>Not a single thing about this is true
https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/

>>35146444
but still will be the future
the era of aesa is bringing also the era of jamming the shit out of the sky
dogfights are only a thing of the past if we put aesa vs pesa aircrafts
anything else will eventually result into a dogfight
they did have a run back in 92 when the russians went to virginia for a mock fight tho they went into the atlantic instead of near the base i guess both of them had doubts of the capabilties and we will never know what trully happened between them

>>35146515
same old link

lets find a better tl dr shall we?
Also, the 64th AGRS flies Block 32 F-16Cs, the least capable in the USAF inventory. Some pack Israeli-built Elta ELL8222 self-escort jamming pods, which can play havoc on the opposition’s ability to target the host aircraft. But these F-16s have radars that are relatively old and they do not sport any sort of infra-red search and track system, which is the biggest air-to-air sensor threat to the F-35A, one that is often found on modern enemy aircraft. Not just that, but unless things have changed for this Red Flag, the aggressors rely entirely on Ground Control Interception (GCI) radar controllers to guide them to their targets. Meanwhile the “blue force” uses much more capable airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) platforms that often use radars that are more capable at detecting low-observable targets than their smaller X-band fighter-borne fire control radar counterparts.

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>>35146475
Oh for chrissakes. Dual singularities, I should have remembered that. And mounted in a fucking '67 Corvette, no less.

>>35146535
>F-35s were mainly up against F-15Es
>Hurr onlee old F-16s

>>35146515
i LOVE when uneducated idiots brings this up

first of all lets clear the good stuff
showcasing a kill ration literally MEANS nothing (and i will get to it)
we know tha traditionally the reds are held up they always do
usaf never released the ratio for f15s or f22s or literally anything ONLY f35's i wonder why that is..
therefore claiming that the f35 has a huge kill streak means literally zero nada niet cause we dont have any reliable source to measure upon
tradionally usaf releases some of the problem they encountered with their planes during red flag seems like f35 doesnt have a single one nada niet zero (suuuure)
traditionally they released the specs for both parties and yet this time they didnt we had to ASSUME that the red had the same shit planes with old radars that relies on ground alpha radars

those statements hold as much truth as the germans claimed the simulated wins against f22
http://aviationintel.com/in-response-to-reports-of-simulated-f-22-raptor-kills-by-german-eurofighters/
or this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2siH9W5P4E&feature=youtu.be
which resulted literally on the world to shit upon them and for good reason
all of this is literally shit cause they will never release the data like they did before simply because the plane is a fucking failure
but there was a very calm view on the matter from Lieutenant Colonel George Watkins,
http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-dominates-red-flag-151-kill-rate?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20170207_AW-05_611qqqq&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000003067940&utm_campaign=8555&utm_medium=email&elq2=eb5b2060337840f3b810e25870e04909
its a paywall so a tldr

>>35146720
Before where we would have one advanced threat and we would put everything we had—F-16s, F-15s, F-18s, missiles, we would shoot everything we had at that one threat just to take it out—now we are seeing three or four of those threats at a time. Just between [the F-35] and the [F-22] Raptor we are able to geolocate them, precision-target them, and then we are able to bring the fourth-generation assets in behind us after those threats are neutralized
then we kinda forget how good the plane actually is
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/not-a-big-suprise-the-marines-f-35-operational-test-wa-1730583428
2 years ago
Highlights from the POGO report include a mission capable rate of 50% among the six aircraft deployed for the test, even though the embarked maintenance crew was loaded with contractors. Additionally, the entire F-35 support base was on high alert to solve any wrongs as fast as possible, including the movement of parts across the country at lightning speed. Several MV-22 Ospreys were even put on high-alert to be ready to support parts runs for the trials, hardly a service that would be available under anything approaching “operational” conditions.

and despite that the plane is literally windows 10 with forced updates they still continue to push it out

>>35146720
>because the plane is a fucking failure
Sprey please leave.

>>35146720
>Literally wrong about every element of RF 17-1
>In denial that the AF had to jack up every Red aspect so the F-35s would actually be challenged
>Scenario was basically impossible for 4th Gens

>>35146756
anon gets presented with a buttload of evidence throughout the years
>sprey please leave
thats about summs up /k/

>>35146750
>POGO
>Unironically using POGO

>>35146750
>first test deployment of the first operational squadron had problems, problems which have been rectified according to the last DOTE

AWWWAH SHIT REALLY DUDE? TWO YEAR OLD PROBLEMS ON A FIRST DEPLOYMENT OF A FIRST IN CLASS PLANE BEFORE IOC? FUCK MAN. FUCK.

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>>35146777
Sprey you brought two year old war is boring links.

Go. And stay go.

>>35146768
>red flag for the first time didnt provide data analysis for the exercise
>they had the result on a congressional report to give it more status
>there is literally zero factual data from reliable sources out there about the actual numbers and situation of the exercise
>nothing really got out so far
being in denial that this plane sucks ass

>>35146800
Redflag has never dropped wholesale data for analysis anon.

Prove me wrong.

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>>35144088
>>35144747
>>35145506

>>35146845
>>35146800
And thus spreys lies comes tumbling down like a house of cards.

>>35144088
>>35144747
>>35145506

Did Candlejack make a return or somth

>>35146845
It's almost as if more than basic summary data could provide potential adversaries with things they could use against us...

>>35146987
No shit. You know he is desperately googleing RIGHT NOW to substantiate his asinine claims.

I do admit I get some satisfaction on sending retards on impossible tasks they set up themselves up on.

>>35144105
Because Russian jets have shit avionics compared to Chinese fighters.

When was the last time you have seen an operational Russian Flanker with R-77?
They still fly around with old cassegrain radars while the chinks fly with AESA.

>>35147374
This is offset with the fact that the chinks are still fielding the mig-21 in large numbers.

>>35143849
it could literally be any test aircraft ever and its amazing how easily the american mind beelines to conspiracy theory bullshit rather than the obvious and mundane

>>35147440
Its the Ancient Aliens effect

>>35147394
Uppgraayyyde

>>35146750
>the plane is literally windows 10 with forced updates
Kek this is how i imagine it. C++ is fukken gayy.

>>35143893
lel

>>35144772
>How would China not know or at least become suspicious?
Easy. Pakis just say they lost one on a boating accident.

>>35144711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUGIocJK9Tc

>>35143716
A pilot died at a facility for experimental aircraft... I would imagine that it was an experimental aircraft.

>>35144772
>How would China not know or at least become suspicious?
"hey chinks, you know how you have subversion agents and spies in boeing and northrop? We do the same sort of thing"
Wow, super hard to play off.

>>35145414
Only thing I'm seeing are AtG attack runs and some of them are getting repeated.

>>35148011
I know that Hangar 18 is probably just a foreign asset R&D division with Soviet/commie planes, or maybe just black doritos, but hey it's nice to dream. They could keep anything in the tunnels under Wright Patt, most people don't even know it has a nuclear reactor (they only use it for research now).

Who knows, maybe America's ace-in-the-hole is a super secret flying saucer with WMDs that make Tsar Bomba look like a fire-cracker...

>>35147394
Being phased out. You're dumb as shit.

>>35148926
>even having a single mig21 in service in the year 2017

Lmfao.
Unless it's those cool Romanian ones, but they also don't claim to be a super power.

>>35145326
A private collector at my airport owns a MiG-15 and a MiG-17. Those are not all that rare.

>>35150492
They aren't rare, true, but it is pretty cool to read about the story of how they got them, ranging from "we shot it down and just found it on an abandoned beach in excellent condition [Jap zero]" to "Vietnamese pilot defected and flew a MiG-17 to SoV airspace". Most of the newer planes (a Mig-21 was one) were pilot defections.

>>35150492
They were rare to own in the 70s and 80s, which is when they were acquired.

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the madman is loose
They should have stopped taking pictures of him pissing in his own private back yard.
We the people...

>>35143716
UFOs don't work anymore because ayys don't like Trump.

>>35147440
>he thinks American's flying chinese and russian planes is a "conspiracy theory"
Are you fucking stupid or something?

Probably some reverse engineered russian or chinese shit.

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>>35146062
>you're acting like a ******
>******
Why are you such a faggot, anon?

>>35144116
>(((David L. Goldfein)))
Trusting a jew from area 51 who's probably an alien too
You really drank the kool aid didn't you ?

>it was probably a Russian aircraft lol USA STRONG

IT WAS THE F-35 THAT CRASHED YOU FATNIKS! DEAL WITH IT!

>>35153164
Don't you have a holocaust denial thread in /pol/ to focus on?

>>35153176
>durr plane I hate had to crash
>Fatnik
Rooskies getting desperate, I see.

>>35153575
At least provide a link Dr. Shekelberg.

>>>>>/pol/141367296

>>35153885
>Implying I go on /pol/
Why would I want to wade in feces to tell you to fuck off?