Serious question

>>35140241
probably not going to be a very long killing spree. dude will run out of missiles pretty quick and his only option then would be to kamikaze the poor faggots on the ground.

>>35140241

>fighter

Not much honestly. We dont load the fuckers with everything and the kitchen sink, and when we run sorties to the range, most everything is inert.

I mean sure, and inert 500lb'er might punch a 40' deep hole in a highway, but definitely no explosive force.

>>35140241
Ask the Marine who hijacked one. Only spent 2 years in jail because lawmakers didn't exactly plan for that shit.

Legendary.

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>>35140319
4chan ate my picture.

>>35140241
Well if its American airspace its probably loaded with some AA loadout, so most probable damage would be done with the gun and the plane itself crashing. Maybe in the hundreds at most, like 100 or less.

>>35140241
He could pull a 9/11 and slam into a building at Mach 2.

>>35140335
>tom cruise goes footeloose

>>35140335
the best part of that story isn't in the article. The enlisted marine who hijacked the A4 was applying for OCS, but was pressured by a General he was friends with to try and set an altitude record for a glider. He got the record, but injured himself doing it ensuring he would never fly a military aircraft.
So he basically just said fuck it, took the aircraft, and dicked around over MCAS El Toro until he got bored.

>>35140319
>>35140410
oh, and he didn't even serve two years in jail. Just the 5 months he had already spent in the brig and an other-than-honorable discharge.

Depends on how fast the government acts.

If they are slow to respond, lots of damage could be caused.

>>35140377
Problem is at that point the fighter becomes the aircraft equivalent of .22lr compared .747 Boeing. It might condemn a building and ruin a few floors but the small light frame just doesn't have the stoppin' powah.

>>35140444
With what, 2x 500lb concrete bombs?

>>35140464
>equivalent of .22lr
So it bounces around inside the building, turning the insides to powder?

>>35140464
Who needs stoppin powah when you can bounce around inside a building and turn the structural supports to mush?

>>35140634
Fuck, that's what it was: there were no controlled expolsions, someone had a box of .22 on the planes! This was b4 9/11 so of course bullets are on planes

>>35140464
>implying a 747 hit the towers
>implying a 747,757, or 767 could take down either of the twin towers

>>35140464
>.747 Boeing
>Saboted scaled down models of Boeing 747s to fit a .747" barrel

>>35140241
>If a fighter pilot were to snap one day, could he go on a killing spree in an American city (or any developed city)? Would that be possible?

American city? No. There would need to be a larger conspiracy to get access to actual ordnance and help loading it. Fighters actually loaded with ordnance in-theater are too far away from first world population centers for it to even be possible. It's possible that a pilot hitting Syria from a carrier in the Mediterranean might be able to hit Greece instead, but that's it.

A bomber is a different story. Nightmare scenario would be a B-2 crew going an hero on Moscow/Pyongyang/Beijing trying to start a world war.

>>35141599
Why does that sound like a movie?
Also, if we were to warn them about a rouge crew would they nuke us back anyway?

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>>35141677
Nobody knows

>>35141599
what is this, Dr Strangelove?

>>35141720
Oh. I forgot about that.

>>35141677
>Fail Safe, 1964

sorta along the same lines; cross between Dr. Strangelove and Wargames.

>>35141723
PRECIOUS

>>35141801
That sounds like a good mix.

>>35140335
So he wasn't a trained fighter pilot? Are jet fighters that easy to fly and operate?

>>35141986
it is just a plane. if you're not going fast and not doing fighter shit with it it'd probably be pretty easy if you at least played FSX before.

What about an apache helicopter pilot doing the same?

>>35141986
Yes and no. Most faggots on here wouldn't be able to complete a cold start, but if you have a basic understanding of the aircraft's systems, it really doesn't take much more thought than driving a car. Most of flying an aircraft is just following checklists, both real and mental.

>>35141986
I've been told that flying is the easy part, the plane basically does it for you, it's landing where you get into trouble

>>35141919
It's a horrifying fucking movie.

>>35140241
What about air launches nuclear cruise missile? I don't know if the US have some that are launched by fighters but Russia and France do iirc.

Could a pilot launch the missile and activate the nuke himself?

>>35142054
>Fail Safe
Welp. That escalated quickly.

>>35142067
nope, there's a whole authorization screen before you even get to the screen allowing release of the weapon when you're dealing with nukes.
plus we don't load nukes on planes normally anymore.

>>35142043
Is it more difficult to fly rotary wing?

>>35142067
>Could a pilot launch the missile and activate the nuke himself?
[Spanish Guitar]

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this was almost exact plot of patlabor ova. except the whole bunch of pilots snapped in that one.

>>35142096
From what I can tell, hell yes. Left hand controls the collective (pitch), your right hand controlls the stick (direction), and your foot pedals control yaw. You have to adjust these constantly due to the way helicopters create lift and move around.

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>>35140377
All he has to do is get low and supersonic, and could cause a fuckton of damage in a city full of glass buildings.

>>35141919
Its an amazing, albeit tense af fucking movie. All time favorite Cold War flick.

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>>35141677
Because it is a movie. A terrifying movie.

>>35142096

Yes in most cases helicopters are harder to fly and a random guy trying to steal one without experience isn't gonna go far let alone take off.

>>35142109
That's a badass gunship. Why isn't the army investing on a new gunship/attack helicopter?

>>35141471
Fund it

>>35142117

I'll add to that, you also have to compensate for the tail rotor's torque on take off, landing is hazardous as well due to translational lift and vortex ring state.

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>>35140408

>>35142117
>>35142147
Damn those SOAR pilots must be fucking good with all the crazy shit they do

>>35142007
>>35142109

>>35140241
If his jet was actually loaded to the gills with live munitions, quite a bit. An F-15E's maximum bombload is comparable to a B-29. He could plausibly wipe out several city blocks, or worse yet, a crowded sports stadium.
>get away with
I don't think it would work out that way.
>>35140377
No, he actually couldn't. No manned aircraft in existence can achieve mach 2 at low altitude. A modern fighter is typically limited to somewhere around 750-800 KIAS, or around M1.2 on the deck, and can only achieve M2 at some tens of thousands of feet of altitude where the air is thin. The low altitude record is just M1.3, in a modified F-104. Any jet diving into a city from above at mach 2 would be ripped to shreds by aerodynamic forces long before reaching rooftop level.

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>>35142593
hey bro, your autism is showing. should cover it up before anyone else sees it.

>>35142609
No u

>>35140241

If the movie Iron Eagle is anything to go by, alot.

>>35140241

Fighter jets don't actually carry very much ammunition. It would be a very short killing spree.

>>35141677
>Why does that sound like a movie?

It was the plot of Broken Arrow

>>35140241
Possible? Certainly. NEETs and Supreme Gentlemen do it all the time. His score will depend on how well he plans his spree, weapon(s) used, and how well he executes his spree. For instance, if he runs amok with a shotgun loaded with 00 buck in the stands at a major sporting event, he's gonna rack up a pretty good score.

>From time to time, U.S. fighter pilots have been known to develop a messianic complex. Trainee Eddie Gordon goes a bit farther than that: he begins fantasizing that he's the Angel of Death. Armed with nuclear weaponry, Gordon flies toward Las Vegas, intending to bomb "sin city" back to the stone age. It is up to squadron leader Matt Ryto stop him...

>>35144024
He is the messiah and he's a very naughty boy!

>>35140377
>implying jet flew can melt steel

>>35142183
Get out of here night stalker.

>>35143967
He means with the jet you dingus

>>35142593
Do fighters not have a governor to stop them from shredding themselves?

>>35145062
>Implying it needs to
>Implying there weren't a lot of other things burning in there, too

>>35142043
>it's landing where you get into trouble
Landing is the one thing that is guaranteed when flying, the only difficult part is making sure the aircraft isn't written off during the process.

>>35141599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAUSjvZ2-U
Or maybe a fighter pilot by accident?

>>35140241
I think the main problem would be if he decided to shoot down a few passenger planes on their approach to land.
Lots of dead from the people on board the plane, and from the people hit by burning wreckage.
I doubt passenger planes can deal with being shot by a fighters cannon, let alone being hit with an A2A

>>35145133
I wish. I can barely drive a car

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>>35145196
>implying a third building didnt go down
>implying exlosives arent rigged into bridges in europe in case the soviets invades
>implying you have spent as much time as me investigating this
>implying either of us knew what actually happened
>implying the cia didnt intercept messages warning about the date and time
>implying alex jones didnt predict it
>implying lucky larry and his family werent warned
>implying airline stocks werent shorted immediately before
>implying 24 pages of the commission report werent redacted
>implying operation northern vigilance wasnt going on that same day to confuse norad radar operators
>implying operation northern vigilance wasnt going on because they had intercepted warnings
>implying oil companies didnt explicitly tell the bush administration to find an excuse to invade iraq
I know its really trendy for all the kids these days to act as smug as possible but when you make up your mind about things that you really have no idea about it just makes you look stupid actually.

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>>35145340
Also please consider buying some dick pills or water filters from infowars to help fight the globalists!
>https://www.infowars.com/donate/

>>35141986
He actually was sort of trained. He was an accomplished glider pilot and had over 100 hours in the A-4 simulator.

>>35140241
Find airport, strafe passenger planes.

>>35145340
>I'm going to list a bunch of complete bullshit and pretend it's true!

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>>35145539
>ironic because that's exactly what your statement was!
I'm not claiming I know what happened for sure either way. That is you, trusting untrustworthy institutions blindly.

>>35145608
I agree, fuck institutions and their """""science"""" and """"grammer""""

>>35145621
>Inb4 that fake list of engineers is brought up again

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>>35145776
>>35145621
>If i bury my head in the sand CNN is true!

>>35145340
>smug_tiger.png

But thats a Serval

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>>35145776
>http://www.ae911truth.org/

2 9 1 1
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>But the tv man told me 99 percent!

Look desu I dont think it was controlled demo cause the hvac unit clearly fell before anything else but your close mindedness is fueled by ego and that is dangerous and the reason why shit is so gay with shit like global warming and other shit.

>inb4 muh 97%

Bottom line: there is some strange coincidences that occured at the very and the establishment claims that is was all ineptitude but seeing how they capitalized on the event and started a bullshit war over "WMDS" i think it's reasonable to be at least a little bit suspicious. The cancer that is destroying 4chan is this new contrarian smugness to oversimplify everything and go with mainstream theories full retard.

>>35145827
>>35145868
>Retards posting nonsense

>>35145868
>implying Iraq did not have WMDs

>>35145890
>>35145894
edgy little kids unironically believing trolls from 2009

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>>35145894
Really whirls the walnuts

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>>35145941
>freethoughtproject.com
TOP KEK
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>>35145929
>>35145941
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

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>>35140241
There was a documentary about the possibility in 2005, it's in French though.

>f-15
>20mm cannon with 940 rounds

he could bring the grid down in multiple states just strafing the right stations.

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>>35140335

Why the fuck is /pol/ right every damn time?

>>35142157
Because the apache works well enough, and the army and special forces units are stepping on the air force's dick to get a prop COIN craft.

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>popularmechanics
>omg definitive proof because only official corporate sources are real
keep watching cnn nigger

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>>35146012
>le ebin planö moueveű

>>35146012
Is this the same as sky fighters?
Cause that movie was badass

>>35146056
>/pol/
>right

Only politically, anon.

>>35146056
>/pol/
>Right
Pick one and only one.

>>35146161
>Durrr fuck the properly researched valid one for muh cunspurracee

>>35141986
its easy to take off and maintain flight
the shits comes into landing and ok on a fighter plane its you only imagine him taking a passenger plane full of people and try to land it

>>35145974

>i cant refute the facts so i criticize the source

Top kek is right

>>35140464

This is my favorite post on /k/ in years

>>35145941
A: That picture isn't scared correctly. 757 should be smaller.
B: It did hit the ground before ultimately impacting the pentagon

>>35141842
BODILY

>>35142109
Sauce on the Webm?

>>35140241
It be shot down very quickly by other f22s

>>35146122
How much damage and casualties could an apache do in OPs scenario???

>>35146451
with a full load of hell fires. It would be best to target infrastructure like power grid and water works.
But then ask yourself what is the air forces scramble alert time and remember they can fire from BVR (Beyond Visual Range)

>>35140241
He could go supersonic over a major metropolitan area and smash every window, and deafen millions with the sonic boom.

As for people saying that a fighter cannot do as much damage as a 747 ramming a building, remember the fighter can hit going supersonic. The 747's on 9/11 hit the towers going ~500mph. An F18 can go ~1200mph.

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>>35146228
>believing 100% a corrupt establishment and media
>"believing" anything
>not questioning everything
>not remaining skeptical
Ever considered your bias? Ever considered the motivations behind the popular mechanics article and how there is a incentive for protecting the government from critiscm or allegations of corruption?

I think it's funny how anyone questioning the narrative triggers you like religious blasphemy. Or perhaps questions are like holy water to your possesed spirit. Anyone that goes against your dogma hurts your ego because youre so clearly invested in the world being sold to you on tv and in magazines, and desu i think a little piece of you knows its bullshit and your ego chimps out to protect itself.

I bet you believe we should give Al Gore money cause lol hurricanes. I bet you can't see the motivating factors corrupting climate sicence.

I am the one remaining skeptical and I'm going to type something in caps so excuse me but I wanna make sure the few brain cells you have engaged in rational thought don't miss it, JUST BECAUSE THE ARTICLE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION *CONTROLLED DEMOLITION* WAS UNLIKELY DOES NOT MEAN OTHER FORMS OF CORRUPTION COULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITH REGARDS TO 9/11, SUCH AS "IGNORING" COM INTERCEPTS, OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILLANCE, THE ABSENCE OF LARRY SILVERSTEIN, AIRLINE STOCKS BEING SHORTED AND SAUDI FUCKING ARABIA WAS PROVEN TO BE IMPLICTATED.

George W. Bush caught off guard 9-11 Question:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvqXXnxLZw

Larry silberstein said the buildings were "pulled"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Larry Silverstein, confronted why he didnt show up to work:
https://youtu.be/wJsEGgc5L2c?t=35

>>35146383
It looked way off. Still, the flights were "impressive" for novice pilots. The planes weren't outfitted with HUDs so its different from a simulator.

The hijackers were monitored for 18 months by IC:
>http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129563

At best the government was incompetent.

>>35146478
Would the airforce risk collateral damage if they were trying to shoot an apache that was flying close to buildings or in between buildings full with people?

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>>35146585
>WAS UNLIKELY DOES NOT MEAN OTHER FORMS OF CORRUPTION COULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITH REGARDS TO 9/11
Goddamnit I made a typo. But anyway I just wanted that section highlighted and didnt mean to be "shouting" through text and anyway the text should ofc read it "doesnt mean other forms of corruption couldn't have taken place." This is an instance where a double negative is the only eloquent way to convey the message and perhaps my avoidance of double negatives is what caused me to make the typo.

Anyway supposedly all that is in the redacted part of the 911 commission report is that saudi arabia was clearly implicated.
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-13/fbi-covering-saudi-links-911-attack-new-york-post-reports

If you guys think that Bush was just a puppet and stupid then I suggest you listen to this podcast by Abby martin's brother and the author of >Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan" about all the crazy bullshit he did in the Afghan war. Apparently his administration purposefully let Saddam get away when rangers were about to kill him, because he needed Osama to better sell the Iraq war:
https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/a-history-of-the-afghanistan-war-fools-errand-w-scott-horton


Here is an article that shows how the fucking Senate foreign relations committee accused Bush of letting Osama go:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/29/osama-bin-laden-senate-report

Now the Senate Foreign Relations committee has trafficked in Bullshit by claiming that Donald Trump and Alex Jones are agents of Putin but in the Osama and Bush case they seem to be true especially if you listen to the podcast.

>>35146640
yes after 9/11

>>35146687
>>35146585
>autismo maximus

>>35146585
>Hurr diz independent scientifically rigorous effort is wrong because duh gubment liez

>>35146687
>Now the Senate Foreign Relations committee has trafficked in Bullshit by claiming that Donald Trump and Alex Jones are agents of Putin but in the Osama and Bush case they seem to be true especially if you listen to the podcast.
More Breitbart/Infowars posting?

>>35143887
no, in broken arrow the pilot wanted to steal the nukes and hold a city under nuke threat for ransom.

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>>35146386
FLUIDS

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>>35146707
Hue hue hue hue hue.. dont tell me you think alex jones is actually *knowingly* helping putin? At the very most he could be unknowingly doing something to help Russia's position but the senate committee literally tried to make it sound like he was being paid by Putin, like RT. And jesus fucking christ Trump might be corrupt and have dealt with organized crime in his cronstruction business because the mob has its hand in construction (as well as waste management) but you cant fucking literally believe that Putin is somehow working on some under the table deal with trump? Just because his son made one tiny mistake with the lawyer attempting to do opposition research that does not implicate him in some bigger scandal.

And since you probably are brainwashed by liberal media you probably ate up the nonsense about the pee pee dossier which WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY RUSSIAN SOURCES. Have you ever heard the expression enemy of my enemy is my friend? If Russia was helping to dig up dirt on Hillary why should you fucking complain about it and could you understand why someone would be hesitant to come to the liberal establishment with dirt on the liberal establishment when they are running against the liberal establishment in an election? You happily ate up the PEE PEE dossier without chimping out so you are just being a hypocrite if you are going to sperg out over the lawyer thing.

Look, I dont think Trump is some perfect angel by any means. He's a fucking sleazeball casino owner, but a sleazeball casino owner is going to support allowing people to make their own choices and mistakes (liberty) as opposed to some authoritarian collectivist reptile.

Anyway consider just turning in your guns cause you seem brainwashed by the neo liberal establishment.

>>35146697
Aww sweetie.. I know it feels icky when people challenge your dogmas. Just go turn on the tv and avoid the internet from now on. Netflix is okay though because George Soros own thats so its safe.

>>35146397
Patlabor ova is in the post m8 how could you miss that??

>>35146835
I agree with you but control you're autism

>>35146505
A sonic boom does not deafen permanently people.

>>35146835
>WAAAHHHH DA LIBRUHL MEDIA

>>35146865
We're on 4chan, really? I dont understand this attitude that values "looking cool" on an anonymous imageboard. Isnt the more content the better and shouldnt people try to explain their arguments as thoroughly as possible?

>>35147014
>muh official narrative reee
>muh breitbart
>muh infowars
Just give up your guns anon. Ya kno you want to..

>>35140335
>lance corporal
Because if you're going to get NJP'd, you might as well make the news

>>35146056
In this case it doesn't really matter, there isn't much debate that he borrowed the plane.

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>>35146755
I wonder how much damage Homura could do if she snapped (pre-Rebellion). Especially considering she spends a lot of her free time reading terrorist websites and stealing from armories.

Plus she's far more mentally unstable than most fighter pilots.

>>35140464
More like 5.56 if it comes with good speed

A fighter jet?
Not much.

An attack helicopter or an infantry fighting vehicle?
Hell yeah.

>>35146903
All loud sounds can cause permanent hearing loss.

If its loud enough to break windows its loud enough to rupture eardrums.

>>35145776
Civil Engineering Dept at the University of Alaska Fairbanks has concluded fire did not bring down WTC7
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5jjDa4tV8&feature=youtu.be

>>35147672
So what? Even if the buildings were imploded, it doesn't mean it was the government that did it. Doesn't it occur to you maybe the al-Qaeda guys who planned this threw a plane into the buildings only so all media cameras would cover it? And maybe it was part of their plan to get the American people divided and not trust each other?

>>35147672
You're right, the fire alone did not do it. The fire combined with major structural damage from being hit by huge chunks of the main towers did.

>>35147672
>just fire
>Not the burning debris that also knocked out some of the asymmetric support structure AND put it into an uncontrolled fire
Ignore all variables at your own risk

>>35140511
Drop each one in the middle of a large crowd on a busy street and you've got yourself 100 casualties, fire your gun into the street and you've got another 100. If you're feeling suicidal then plough into another street at a low angle and mow down another 50 or so people.

>>35147686
>So what? Even if the buildings were imploded, it doesn't mean it was the government that did it
Just like even if it wasnt blown up (or down i guess) that doesnt mean the government didnt do it. Just like if the government didnt actively do it someone could have let it happen. There are varying degrees of complicity.

>al-Qaeda
Umm sweetie they might not even be who the media says they are. Apparently there was only like 400 people in the group that was linked to 9/11 and they certainly didnt have anything to do with the various Iraqi groups.

>all media cameras would cover it? And maybe it was part of their plan to get the American people divided and not trust each other?
Yeah sure. I'm not even saying it didnt happen exactly the way fox news portrayed it, except for the Iraq stuff which was obivous bullshit. But my point is that there might have been other groups abroad or even domestic that had similar goals as "al quesadilla." Also the public distrusts the government because of this and it's not like the recent divide and conquer tactics by the likes of media matters and soros which try to split up the public.

However your unwillingness to consider the other options even when faced with analysis which questions the "official narrative" points to a deeply deeply seeded bias, which probably stems from wanting to "believe" in a certain world view like reality matches the media. I'm not even claiming to know one way or another and my personal bias is to think that the buildings came down like they said they did but there *was* some advanced warning and a few insiders knew about it like Larry Silberstein and his senpai senpai. It could be though they didnt want to tell everyone to stay home because they werent sure, although idkkk.

>>35147700
>>35147803
>You're right, the fire alone did not do it. The fire combined with major structural damage from being hit by huge chunks of the main towers did.

Its not my theory. Rather it is University of Fairbanks's

>>35147922
>Its not my theory. Rather it is University of Fairbanks's
So, they have more detail than the hundreds of agencies that agree on the official collapse method?

>>35147947
Ooommmgggg did you even look at how they came to their conclusion? Do you understand how "agencies" may have a vested interest in proving the official narrative? Do you realize climate science suffers from the same kind of bias? Do you realize 2911 engineers have studied wtc7, at least cursorily but many have in depth, and signed a petition that they dont agree with the official narrative? http://www.ae911truth.org/

Why do you have such a problem accepting ambiguity? Do you irrationally "believe" every aspect of life? Can you accept that you do not know the actual truth sometimes?

>>35147994
>http://www.ae911truth.org/
>Still reposting this list that was artificially inflated, usually with people who don't agree with the conclusions

>>35147994
/k/ is not a conspiracy theory board.
>>>/pol/
>>>/x/

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>>35148066
Well to be fair the thread is about pilots comitting terrorism... and the conspiracies involved military/weapons... and there is another thread of /k about area51.... and are redpills ever really inappropriate...

>>35148039
Okay so say its 500 engineers.. still significant. It's common sense that the whole thing was fucking weird and anomalous and the establishment committed so much fuckery elsewhere that its perfectly ratoinal to question the narrative. Believing the official narrative 100% of time is in fact dogmatic and irrational, and a dumb contrarian fad that's emerged on 4chan which used to be the exact opposite but you fags have to always be hipsters and now taking the same position as a 55 year old boomer is considered edgy...

>>35148207
>Thinks that believing the one red pine needle in a green forest means the forest is red is rational

>>35148283
>thinks just because most forests are green all forests are green
I can go all day chief. Lets just call a truce and stop shitting up /k and admit that neither of us actually knows what happened 100%.

>>35140241

I'd wager a pilot could kill more people going after Passenger Jets. Easily 100 for small airliner, with 400-500 if you manage to catch a big one. Shoot one down over a population center and you've got quite a bit of collateral as well. Split that Across, say, four missiles, and that's easily 500-2000 people.

>>35148327
No, what happened isn't up for debate. I have yet to see a conspiratard make a single attempt not easily broken.

>>35141986
if it has an aux power unit then it's only a matter of memorizing a procedure from the manual.

>>35148366
>I have yet to see a conspiratard make a single attempt not easily broken.
Boss, I am the one who broke you.. you think you know everything when it's in fact impossible to know what actually happened unless you were in the CIA, the Bush Admin, or Al Quesadilla. And even then those groups might be victims of misinformation (looking at u) and might mistakenly believe something that isn't true. There are so many factors and absolute fuckery the rational opinion is to throw your hands up in the air and say I dont fucking know, or alternatively you could express some bias but you have to at least concede there is a chance that a number of other things could have happened.

You have'nt disproven shit and your belief is like that of a religious devotee. You want so badly to believe the world is a certain way and fits into the box you have created for it in your mind when it could be a number of other ways and you are illogically inflexible with your outlook.

It's *even worse* than someone saying they know with 100& certainty the big bang happened or some other cosmic phenomena. But those are actually very observable and there is clear logic that points to those hypothesis or theories when with something like 911 there are so many variables and SHILLS that it's literally impossible to say with any certainty that you know what happened.

The worst thing is that you have not researched this. I can tell because almost everyone that looks into says there is some chance that there was forewarning. Your dogmatic refusal to challenge your own bias results in only confirming what you already believe. If i posted links you probably wouldn't even click on them, and the worst part is that you are deliberately trying to be edgy or hipsterish or something, when I am actually trying to be sincere.

>>35148502
>Broke nothing
>Keeps repeating complete bullshit as hard fact
>Has complete faith in the easily disproven nonsense still being parroted by the stupid 16 years later

We know exactly what happened on 9/11. If you say we don't you're just trying to muddy crystal clear waters because you watched something like "Loose Change" that had no real basis in reality.

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>>35148366
>>35148635
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
>According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and those of four others, Able Danger had identified 2 of 3 Al Qaeda cells active in the 9/11 attacks; the 'Brooklyn cell' linked to "Blind Sheik" Omar Abdel-Rahman, including September 11 attacks leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot's other 19 hijackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shaffer_(intelligence_officer)

>Shaffer told the 9/11 Commission staff director, Dr. Philip D. Zelikow, that in 2000 a DIA data-mining program known as Able Danger had uncovered two of the three terrorist cells eventually implicated in the September 11 attacks. Shaffer reportedly told Zelikow that DIA leadership declined to share this information with the FBI because military lawyers expressed concerns about the legality of doing so. Shaffer also asserted that he briefed Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet on three separate occasions regarding his unit's activities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency#9.2F11_and_Able_Danger

>Anthony Shaffer, former DIA officer, claimed that DIA was aware of and failed to act against one of the organizers of the September 11 attacks prior to the event, in what became known as the Able Danger controversy.

This Shaffer guy got in trouble to apparently like had death threats.

Cannot say there are no whistler blowers in this event. There have been numerous other rumors as well that there was forewarning and other interviews with insiders. U think its impossible for some IC guy to call Larry Silverstein and say "Hey might not wanna come into work Tuesday. We have intel something might happen?"

28 pages of the commission report were redacted! Why would the government feel like they need to hide information from the public concerning this? Saudis were involved and if you do not fucking even look at the links i provided, you cannot claim to actually know jack shit or to be right.

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>>35148635
>"Loose Change"
PUHleeeeeeaaase

I'll admit that sparked my interest when I was like 13 but they make only the most extreme speculative claims, and like I said my actual opinion is the most likely circumstance was that there were a few people that had some forewarning and pretended to be incompetent to give them plausible deniability.

Bush was actively looking for a way to Iraq and had meetings that basically said it would be great if they found a way, and so it's likely that the administration chose to implement a policy that suppresed intelligence gathering so they could maintain plausible deniability. This article seems ok even though its from CNN but it cites the former Treasury Secretary: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/

>The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

Do you see how it's actually probable that Bush actively sought to suppress intelligence gathering and "didn't want to know" if there was a terrorist attack warning? Every heard of "hear no evil see no evil?" It was in his best interest to not act on any intelligence that was being gathered and by declaring policy which ignored it he was able to remain plausibly deniable. Look how his administration doubled down on the Iraqi WMDs bold face lie? Look how he actively prevented the Rangers from catching Bin Laden so he could continue using his threat to get into Iraq: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/29/bin.laden.2001/index.html

>Senate Foreign Relations Committee blamed the Bush administration for failing to capture or kill Osama bin Laden when the al Qaeda leader was cornered in Afghanistan's Tora Bora mountain region in December 2001

Watch this video and tell me Bush didn't seem flustered when confronted about foreknowledge:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvqXXnxLZw

>>35147686
>Even if the buildings were imploded, it doesn't mean it was the government that did it.
So who did and why was the government apparently either unable or unwilling to figure that out?

>>35148731
>>35148897
>Lots of 20/20 Hindsight on the complete lack of coordination between intel agencies and federal and local law enforcement
All this shit is why DHS and the JICC/DNI exists. It doesn't prove the US government did 9/11 at all.

>>35148897
>President who regularly stammered and made words up has trouble with being questioned
Proves nothing.

>>35149171
It shows motivation, circumstantial evidence bordering on direct proof (Shaffer) and a plausible strategy for remaining plausibly deniable.

>>35149274
>ignores the entire post

Alright faggots. Youre absolute retards that hold on to your dogmas at all costs for ego reason I imagine. I think youre also cucks that want serve authority for some strange reason and probably hate individualism. Please get a tattoo of a barcode on your neck and an RFID implant and turn in your fucking guns and revoke your NRA memberships. I bet you fags are the types that love it when the NSA snoops on you because "you have nothing to hide." And I have shown how you are in fact the illogical ones that wont consider the mountain of circumstantial evidence and anomalies.

I'll offer one more strange thing that happened on 911 which strays from the official narrative in case anyone else cares but i dont expect it to change your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek
One of the flight attendants mentioned gas in her call from one of the hijacked flights. This might imply that whoever was controlling the aircraft might have lowered the air pressure in the cabin to induce asphyxiation like they though might have happened on MH370. And wikileaks released some information that implied that the CIA had methods for controlling cars and aircraft remotely. This was the transcript:
>Betty Ong: I think there's mace—that we can't breathe. I don't know, I think we're getting hijacked.

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ONE MORE THING. AND IF YOU DISCREDIT THIS THERE IS NO HOPE FOR YOU: OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

>Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3]

>The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

>hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and elements of the American government considered killing Americans and hijacking planes to try and gear up America for war with Cuba. Kennedy rejected this and they killed him for this among other reasons (probably.)

If you dont think there was more to the story of JFK's assassination than the official narrative I feel bad for you and there is no hope for your mind. It's cucked beyond all possible repair. My only recommendation would be taking LSD or DMT to give you a different perspective on reality and the world around you. (jk dont do drugs ;)

>>35149171
>>35149274
Why are you guys so attracted to things which are "official?" Like what does the mainstream ideas and thought provide you? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside or do you like being an elist or something?

Dont respond some bullshit like "hur durr cause its the fucking truth faggot." I am genuinely curious what this kind of attitude does for you on a personal level?

You are obviously hanging on to something and its not for a rational purpose so be honest in your answer.

>>35149274
And that's the thing about circumstantial evidence, alone any one piece may not be significant but the old adage of where there is smoke there is fire holds true, besides the fact I cited Shaffer as near direct proof.

>>35149492
>>35149563
>>35149615
>>35149639
>Truther desperately trying to recruit new idiots

>>35145196
>carpet can melt steel beams

>>35140464
>.747 Boeing
>not using .A380 Airbus

>>35150049
.380A

>>35150026
>Carpet, plastics, light metals that can melt
>Still implying steel needs to melt to fail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

>>35142157
Why? No money for it. There have been Continuing Resolutions for almost a decade. Army budget is down 60% in real terms from a decade ago, and they're still being asked for more.

lol I should have known posting this on September 11th was a bad idea.

>>35146585
>>35146687
>>35146835
I feel like there should be a National Geographic special on you.

You're actually insane and it's hilarious, my favorite part is how you RANDOMLY ENGAGE CRUISE CONTROL so we know you're super serious

Problem is that in the middle of your sperging you don't realize that you look batshit crazy and how amusing it is.

>>35140241
Not much because at the end of the day he's probably got a light loadout at best.

On the other hand, if he has the agreement of the crew the captain of a bong submarine can fire at will.