SHARE act to be voted on tomorrow

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this guy gets it.

>>35139889
Probably not. If Senate Democrats can stop funding for the proposed border wall then I don't see why they can't stop the SHARE from passing the Senate.

All they have to do is Filibuster it. Republicans dont have enough votes to override one.

>>35139889
>Subcommittee of Water, Power, and Oceans

Why? What does that committee have to do with firearms?

>>35140442
Logrolling

>>35139889
If Nancy Pelosi asks Donald nicely, he'll shit all over it on twitter. It's not happening, boys.

>>35139889
100% guaranteed there will be another false flag attack tomorrow. The powers that be cannot risk losing firearms regulation as a wedge issue and it's just likely enough to pass that they won't want to risk even having the vote since deregulated suppressors and concealed carry reciprocity are basically holy grails.

Screencap this post, these niggas got a stale ass script.

>>35139889
If pigs fly. I hope pigs fly.

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It will pass. Everyone in this thread just say one prayer to the lord :-)

>>35140628
Not religious but I will.

>>35140642
Then pray to the /k/ube

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>>35140628
OMINUS DOMINUS, KEEP TAPCO OFF OF US
also happy 9/11, everybody.

>>35140692
I put tapco furniture and trigger on a VEPR

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>>35140666
It's will be done!

>>35140564
Oh how i fear you are right. I think im crazy when my first thought is aways *false flag again*. But it always fits so well with their agenda

>>35140564
Maybe this time they'll get someone that can aim.

>>35140564
To be completely fair, it's technically not a "false flag" if they use a commie like they did last time.

>HPA
>not SHUSH
REEEEEEEEE

>states would not be required to allow their sale or possession
fuck that. stupid congressniggers can't do anything right.

>>35139889
i own a cuck stamp for a can right now and I support this 100%.

Hope it passes.

>>35140759
Fear? We all know I'm right, it's not in doubt. You know why the media shills so hard against Trump and the GOP keeps trying to undermine him? It's because he was at risk of giving neocons everything they ran on and they realized most of that shit (a well-armed populace, civil liberties, personal responsibility instead of dependence on the state) is absolutely fucking terrifying to think about when you're neck deep in the corruption trough. They NEED him to be the gibbering buffoon in the public mind, otherwise they'll have to admit to their constituents that they oppose everything they promised to work for...so if there's ACTUALLY a chance to vote on major legislation, there will be a false flag or an "international incident" to give justification to skip voting.

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>>35140564
Happened last time, bet on it to happen again this time. You know it, I know it, they know it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3668/text#toc-H520E84C554B54975954905A3E8595B0C
This watered-down version doesn't go far enough and if they pass this, they'll consider it good enough and never revisit the subject.
>“(24) (A) The terms ‘firearm silencer’ and ‘firearm muffler’ mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including the ‘keystone part’ of such a device.

>“(B) The term ‘keystone part’ means, with respect to a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, an externally visible part of a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, without which a device capable of silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm cannot be assembled, but the term does not include any interchangeable parts designed to mount a firearm silencer or firearm muffler to a portable firearm.”;

Does that mean they're going to consider a length of pipe to be a silencer and thus require an FFL transaction? Moronic.

>Section 927 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: “Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, a law of a State or a political subdivision of a State that imposes a tax, other than a generally applicable sales or use tax, on making, transferring, using, possessing, or transporting a firearm silencer in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or imposes a marking, recordkeeping or registration requirement with respect to such a firearm silencer, shall have no force or effect.”.

I'm not sure what to make of that last bit.

>>35140642
>Not religious
Only real Americans are allowed on this board

>>35139889
> Further, while states would not be required to allow their sale or possession

fucking useless

>>35140878
True enough, anon. I always laugh when people say "Republicans are fiscally responsible party" or "Democrats are the party of the working class". NEITHER ARE ANYTHING OF THE SORT.

Spending doesn't go down when Republicans are in office. It keeps going up! Democrat control doesn't lead to less income differences. The difference keeps widening! The only difference between both parties these days is what stupid social justice bullshit they want you to stand for.

>>35139889
>In the end, suppressors would be treated as firearms – which would allow them to be transferred through any regular federal firearms license holders to anyone not prohibited from possessing them after the buyer passes an FBI instant background check.

>Under the guise of hearing protection, the NRA is trying to gut gun silencer safety laws,” said Moms Demand Action. “The goal: to sell more gun silencers to more people, even criminals, and domestic abusers, without so much as a background check.
k.

Okay I'm not clicking the link so gove me the too long, didn't read version.

Is it good or bad or what?

>>35141006
>“The goal: to sell more gun silencers to more people, even criminals, and domestic abusers, without so much as a background check.
>domestic abusers

What the fuck are they going to use them for, beating their SO with less noise?

>>35141029
>give

FUCK i hate this phone I'm using.

>>35141029
It's /ourbill/.
Literally 99% perfect.
tl;dr cans are regulated like guns, and some other stuff about deregulating certain ap ammo

>>35141036
>without so much as a background check
These fucking lying kikes I swear to God.
What part of "FBI instant background check" don't they understand?

>>35141036
I guess to slightly less loudly kill their domestic partner and somehow that would not still make them the number 1 suspect.

>>35139889
I want to believe, but I don't.
I'm 68 days into my tax stamp circle jerk siesta, and I fully expect to wait another 2 months at a minimum. I don't expect NFA laws to change in my life.

>>35141046
>99% perfect.
No, it's maybe 75% perfect at best. Watered-down HPA is bullshit.
>>35141062
Technically, the SHUSH act removed them from the NFA entirely, so no background check required. And preempted any state laws about them. The screeching soccer mom's statement could have been a response to that, instead of the HPA....not that I'd trust the news to be honest about anything.

>>35139889
T h a n k G o d

>>35141099
>Technically, the SHUSH act removed them from the NFA entirely, so no background check required.
As it fucking should be.

>>35141046
You missed the part about removing the .5" limit for destructive devices and removing the sporting clause requirement for shotguns and importation of firearms.

The AP ammo part was mostly there to keep the ATF from pulling the shit they did with the 5.45 ammo a few years ago and tried to pull with m855.

>>35141099 (checked)
I stand corrected, twice.

>>35141110
Oh snap. Please pass plzplzplzpzl

>>35141109
Too bad the SHUSH act was shelved.

street sweeper repros soon boys

>>35140976
>55% athiest nation founded by deists
Alrighty then McCarthy

>>35140966
It means that so long as there isnt a pre existing law banning suppressors in certain states, said states cant do shit to further regulate suporessros

>>35140966
>does that mean any tube is a silencer
Only if it reduced the report of a firearm you fuck.

>I don't know what that last part means
It means that states can't make laws that prohibit silencer ownership.

>>35139889
>to be voted on tomorrow
Where did you see this? Your link certainly doesn't say that.

>The proposal includes a provision to refund the $200 transfer tax to applicants who purchased a suppressor after Oct. 22, 2015
this is why it wont pass.

>>35141137
>55% athiest
Bull. Shit.

>>35141155
Read it again a few more times, dumbass.

>>35141168
That is supposed to be the negotiation point. You give up something so they feel like they won a little victory.

>>35141160
You are correct, but most anons don't realize that "referred to committee" is just a whistle word for dead on arrival. most bills die during this phase, and are never even considered by the committee in question.

>>35141110
>removing sportinf cause for importing

O H. FUCK!!!!@@

/k/ube-kun, please. I NEED my G-36 clones

>>35141154
That's not how it reads to me. Let's use Cuckifornia as an example. In CA, silencers are effectively banned, but you can, theoretically, get a permit to own one (along with other NFA items and "AWs") if you suck the right dicks. That line doesn't do anything to change the situation in Shitifornia, except prevents the state from having a separate registry for them. You still won't be able to buy or possess them in CA, unless you're well connected.
You see what I mean?

>>35141186
HPA, as originally written, should've been the compromise for the SHUSH act. Instead, these cucks watered down the HPA further.

>>35141191
so is it in committee or is it waiting for review? to my limited understanding, those are two very different stages

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>>35141186
>negotiation point

you mean a "dies-in-committee" point? Cuz it sure worked out great for the HPA.

>>35141173
>Have a tube
>it was never designed to reduce the sound of a firearm
>it is not a suppressor
>it is not regulated
>no FFL

>have another tube
>it is designed, or intended, to be used as a suppressor.
>it is a key suppressor component
>FFL
Key phrase is "with respect to a firearm silencer"
A blank tube is not a silencer anymore than a blank tube is a Sten.

>>35141244
how many people even give a shit anyway? its 200 bucks two years ago. I personally don't, considering all the other shit I get.
besides, its using my taxes to give me back my money. fuck it.

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>>35139889
if this bill ends up passing, I do solemnly swear to never talk shit about Congress ever again. I hate those bastards... but if they do this... love.

>>35141234
according to the article is has just be referred to the committee, there is no indication that it is currently under review in the article.

So would this one still cause the silencer to have the same issues with crossing state lines and other people having access to it?

>>35141268
crib death here we come
>>35141274
it wants them to be treated as firearms legally, so not to my understanding.

>>35141251
Ok now that I reread it several more times, I concede that this is making the tube the FFL part, just like a lower receiver is a "firearm." That actually makes sense, since it prevents the ATF from making shit up.

>>35141274
No, they're not NFA items if this passes. It'd be the same as taking a firearm out of state

>>35140564
>false flag attack

its got to be some kind of mental illness to think any event that can potentially be bad for your agenda is a false flag.

>>35141117
Not surprised.

>>35141262
I sure don't. If $200 means a lot to you, you shouldn't be buying suppressors. I'd much rather the bill pass. ffs

>>35140564
>implying spooks would get their jets warmed up for some retarded bill destined for crib death

>>35140837

HPA still gets us to it being only as regged as receivers, which means 80%, baby. Reminder the most effective .45 cans out there dollar for dollar literally use wire mesh in a tube.

>>35141381

yeah i imagine if this passes NAPA is going to be really confused why their fuel filters got a massive spike in sales.

>>35141381
It's better than the status quo, but it still leaves a lot to be desired. It doesn't help Calicucks, nor does it prevent those of us in purple states from getting fucked if(when) they turn blue.

>>35141381
hopefully you can do ONE background check for a bucket of wipes/baffles. Not one bgc per baffle lol

>>35140442

They're the only subcommittee that would hear it, and they're not important enough to be covered by the news regularly, so they're hoping it all slips through unnoticed.

>>35140966
Sounds like they're codifying case law. ATF has tried to argue that anything that can be adapted as a silencer IS a silencer. They've been laughed out of court for that interpretation of existing law. Also, there's that oil filter silencer product where the adapter is legally the silencer, not the oil filter. It sounds like this law would establish that only the adapter that mounts the tube to the muzzle is legally a silencer. That would be in line with how only the lower receiver of an AR pattern rifle is legally the firearm.

>>35139969
>All they have to do is Filibuster it.

I thought the filibuster tactic was thrown out a couple years ago by the idiot dems.

>>35140733
Khorne is a bitch tho

>>35141381
>80% suppressors
I know that that's not what you meant, but it'd be pretty awesome if you could go online and buy some sort of 80% kit for $20. No idea how they'd do that though.

>>35141428
>there's that oil filter silencer product where the adapter is legally the silencer, not the oil filter.

Used to be that the filter was considered a wipe, but only because nobody bothered to clarify. Once some dumbass finally asked formally, BAFTE issued an opinion saying 'fuck you, all parts of a suppressor are in and of themselves suppressors.' Ever since the 'fractal suppressors' letter, we've been SOL on that front. Not that it's stopped people from making and selling common-threading-to-13/16x16 'pipe fittings.'

>>35141415
see >>35141251 & >>35140966
the only bgc-eligible part is the outer tube. baffles/wipes aren't considered NFA (title 1) items, unlike the current laws where they're considered NFA title 2 items.

>>35141451
>80% suppressors
bruh.....that's exactly what he meant

>>35141456
>Not that it's stopped people from making and selling common-threading-to-13/16x16 'pipe fittings.'
fuck you man, my plumbing is weird!

>>35141402

Dude, they know. Their product reviews are filled with shit about "muh Chrystler 300 (Black) hahaha pumps fuel through this at 1000fps and it hasn't broken yet! Hahaha WINK WINK"

>>35141332

well let's see, $200 dollars and an average wait of just about seven months? Shit, my bro waited 13 for his last one.

>>35141457
>NFA (title 1) items
I meant GCA (title 1) items

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>>35141457
>you'll legally be able to go into a store and buy baffles and wipes with no paperwork.
Big if true.

>>35141456
>fuck you, all parts of a suppressor are in and of themselves suppressors
A Federal judge kicked the shit out of that argument, saying it would outlaw potatoes. But I think that ruling only set a precedent for one circuit, not the whole US.

>>35139889
i.e., if you contact your congressmen about it, tell them how much you support conservation

>>35141381
From what I read/understand, having suppressors registered as firearms sets the precedent for future legislation having all firearm accessories serialized and requiring a nics check.

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>>35141501

do they make a potato adapter for barrels?
you could market it as a 'potato launcher'

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>>35140628

Dear god please, don't tread on me

>>35141536
>you could market it as a 'potato launcher'

>A whole bunch of people are suddenly very upset at TATERCO when their new line of .22-to-Potato-Gun converters fail all function tests, and instead get their owners arrested.

>The bill has been referred to the House Subcommittee on Water, Power and Oceans which is chaired by Colorado Republican Doug Lamborn, an initial co-sponsor of the Hearing Protection Act in January

>Colorado Republican Doug Lamborn, an initial co-sponsor of the Hearing Protection Act in January

>an initial co-sponsor of the Hearing Protection Act in January

Colorado may be sick with califoneitis, but they're still based.
Good luck and god's speed, Lamborn

>>35141536
Has anyone tried shoving a potato in a AR soda can launcher yet?

>>35140867
nigga I have 6 cans, and would gladly purchase 5 more in the next 1.5-2yrs if I could get them OTC. I'd buy a 50bmg can for the lulz and max suppression, and the off chance I ever bought a single shot 50.

>>35141561
>I'd buy a 50bmg can for the lulz and max suppression
>not going for 20mm since this removes the 50 cal DD threshold bullshit

>>35141430
Only on appointments of federal judges and more recently supreme court justices.

>>35140666
The /k/ube has spoken.

>>35141274
>So would this one still cause the silencer to have the same issues with crossing state lines and other people having access to it?
you can cross state lines with supperssors right now assuming the state allows them.

>>35140966
I like the last part but the first part sounds like it was written by an idiot who doesn't know shit about shit. So, you know, regular firearm law.

>Shotguns no longer need "sporting purpose" to not be DDs
>Shotgun shells no longer need "sporting purpose"
Congrats, M203s are now shotguns/rifles and are not Destructive Devices.

Free 40mms for everyone.

>>35141137
You got a source for those claims there buddy? Because enough people in this country are religious enough that fucking everything panders to them still.

>>35141628
>suppressed street sweepers with underbarrel 203s for everyone
nice.

>>35141263
No, keep shitting on them, especially the establishment cucks who would rather keep issues going rather than fixing them because it's something they can promise to fix when it's their time to be voted on.

>>35141137
I thought this was a place where we could debate things mano a mano.
And I find myself having statistics hurled at me like so much stale confetti.
You're beginning to sound red, and by that I mean you prefer a hammer and sickle over a hamburger.

>>35141571
Wait, since this removes the .50 cal DD restriction...

MODERN PUNT GUNS WHEN.

>he thinks Republicans will pass pro-gun legislation when there's no threat of gun owners going with other parties
>he thinks this won't be vetoed by Donald "Supported an Assault Weapons Ban in the 2000s" Trump if it DOES somehow magic it's way through the legislative branch
>>35140642
>not worshipping our Lord
>not acknowleding the Superiority of Nex Alea above all others
Shakin' my head here my man.

>>35141628
So...with this it's possible to hunt game with 40mm shotshells or slugs?
I wonder what the effects on the animal will be

>>35141669
Fuck the punt guns, I want 14.5mm semi auto KORD kits.

>>35141682
state laws are generally pretty restrictive about hunting, that won't change. But some places, uh maybe.

>>35141627
Actually makes sense, see >>35141291 and the last part isn't as good as you might think...it doesn't prevent states from banning them entirely or pseudo-banning them like Cuckifornia.

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>>35140628
Praise the Murder angel.

Praise the cube!

>>35140878
I agree. I guess i want to have my foolishly placed faith in society. I also know the swamp is to infested to drain without a real uprising from at least 25% of the people. And im not talking voting

>>35141731
>muh swamp drain
How're you gonna drain a swamp when we keep electing swamp-dwellers?

>>35141715
>>35141682
...can you handload a 40mm?
>Mfw if this passes we'll eventually hear about some idiot going squirrel hunting with 40mm napalm rounds.

>>35141746
>not hunting with 37mm ""flares""

>>35141744
>we
Not him, but speak for yourself buddy. No one I've voted for has been elected except for Trump himself. Then again I live in Washington state.

>>35141746
It doesn't remove DDs entirely. Those 40mm rounds would still be considered DDs as would any 40mm launchers. I think it prevents them from arbitrarily classifying things like the Saiga semi-auto shotgun as DDs, like they had wanted to do.

>>35141773
>except for Trump himself
>imblying Trump and the rest of the White House aren't a flood of extra water into the swamp

>>35141783
>>35141746
they can still classify whatever they want as DDs, but their justification can't be the half inch rule anymore, as far as I can tell.
so no 40mm, but I'm betting we could see .55 and .60 caliber why the fuck not commercial rifles if this goes through.

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I am building my own "solvent traps" without giving two shits.
The deep state breaks laws at will without prosecution, I will now do the same as well.
I stopped caring about laws. They mean nothing to me anymore.

I am gearing up and preparing for what is coming in this nation. You feel it. I know you feel it coming. Soon.

Prepare, prepare, prepare. Once it begins, there will be no stopping it.

>>35141792
pls pls pls 20mm!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>35141791
Better than Hillary. Also better then Johnson on 2A which is hilarious.

>>35141792
>so no 40mm,
You can indeed have 40mm. Any bore diameter would be fine. The explosive 40mm grenades would still be DDs, but the training rounds are not.

>>35141800

ATF pls go don't you have something better to do than stir up shit and try to get people arrested?

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>>35141791
>implying Trump isn't the only reason this bill even has a slim chance of passing.
This shit wouldn't be happening if Hillary was in office and you know it so fuck off.

>>35141744
As i said.... not by voting. But it will take alot of people to act together at one time

>>35141813
He's not a friend to gun owners, I've told you people this many times.

>>35141824
he's the superior alternative, faggot
that was literally the entire fucking election and the whole reason he's in office

>>35141824

Yeah, and? He's still better than the competition. No politicians are our friends.

>>35141792
Ayy, we can finally import the PTRD and the PTRS
Now if only ammo for them

>>35140666
IT SHALL BE SO

HAIL /K/UBE

>>35141792
>they can still classify anything they want as a DD
Not really, this would make it so something can't be classified a DD just because it has a large bore (IE: 40mm) or because it has no "sporting purpose"

Now a DD has to be either
>(1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E) mine, or (F) similar device;
or
>(3)any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.

Owning an unregistered 40mm grenade launcher would be l, owning an unregistered 40mm grenade that has an explosive charge more than 1/4 Oz is still illegal. That's my understanding.

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>>35140628
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>>35141856
so, ""flares"" it is then. works for me.
>we could see dragons breath 40mm by 2020

>>3514181
>>35141835
>>35141841
>Better than Hillary
We've got the exact same shit that we would have gotten with Hillary, absolutely nothing done for 8 years because the Executive branch and the Legislative are going to spend their time butting heads because they're from two different parties. He's not a better alternative or the lesser of two anythings, he's the exact same goddamn thing until he proves otherwise. But no, for the next 8 years, it's gonna be the same exact shit, year after year.
>'you can't get a wall built in one year/congress is traitors and won't do what he says!'
>you can't get a wall built in two years/congress is traitors and won't do what he says!'
>'you can't get a wall built in eight years, and congress was a bunch of traitors and wouldn't do what he said!'
>>35141821
>slim chance of passing
He'd veto it the second he saw it on his desk, just to spite Congress, if not just because he's an antigun authoritarian who wouldn't see civilian gun rights increase as long as he's in office.

>>35139889
How do you know anything is happening to it tomorrow? It didn't say in the article.

Isn't this in like a dozen subcommittees? Is it really big news that it's coming up for a vote in one of them?

>>35141903
This is the first time since the Firearm Owners Protection Act back in 1986 has something this humongosly progun has the opportunity to be voted on.

>>35141908
But it's just one of many votes voting on whether or not it should be voted on.

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>>35141800
you're a homogay

did you actually want to work for the ATF?

>>35141876
>exact same shit as hillary
We don't have to worry nearly as much about executive orders that limit the 2A

>He'd veto it
His son has stated that he supports silencers though.

But this discussion is more about politics rather than firearm politics, so fuck off.

>>35141916
At least it's getting acknowledge, unlike other progun legislation just sitting in committees for the past thirty years.

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>>35140666
>>35140733
SATAN TRIPS AND DUBS CONFIRM

>>35141938
But it's still potentially going to die in committee. Yeah, this is maybe the coolest progun bill in the last few decades, but every session people get all excited about potential progun bills that just fizzle out. If anything the GOP is going to use removing silencers are a quid pro quo to get something else they want anyway.

>>35141964
>alright, this new bill treats suppressors/silencers as rocks not under fed jurisdiction
>but we get to patrol the streets of high crime areas with bradleys
I'm actually kinda down with that

>>35141824
Who was this past election? Clinton? Johnson/Weld? Give me a break he was the best that was possible.

>>35141451
Thats been dome for a while with "solvent traps" that you could form 1. It was a threaded tube, some baffles that didn't have a center hole but were center punched, and two end caps. One center punched and no exit hole, the other that was threaded for your barrel.

>>35141612
>if the state allows them
Even if they don't as long as you are traveling through and not staying.

Though the details get murky, and I wouldn't want to test it.

>>35141943
sleep tight subber

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>>35139889

Negative waves man...

>>35140628
AVE NEX ALEA

>>35141876
Fucl off bernie bro. Your side lost. No need to pretend Trump is going to enact Hillary levels of gun control.

>>35141943
sleep tight subber

>>35139914
Hows your RAR compared to a 10/22(if you have one) on the noise levels? Thinking about getting one or the other to make a fun little plinker/bunny gun.

>>35141824
You keep lying yet Trumps actions are better worth than your words.

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I've been autistically checking the news on HPA,SHARE and SHUSH for so long. When I saw this yesterday, I almost shit my pants.
Really REALLY hope this passes.

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with imports relaxed, and silencers deregulated, can I finally get a PSS?

>>35139889
Wait, a committee can't pass a law.
Wouldn't this need to be put to a vote on the floor?

>>35143030
And another thing doesn't the house and senate need to vote on it?

>>35139889
it's going to fail.

>>35143072
ur gonna fail

>>35141659
This

>>35140628
>ne in this thread just say one prayer to the lord :-)
Sleep well pupper

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>>35140966
Man how awesome would it be to just have a bill read like common man english:

>Hey guys we making silencers legal just dont be a shit head. If you dont know what a suppressor is you are a small penis cuck. Cucks get btfo

>PASSED

>>35143447
Literally sounds like something out of Idiocracy.

>>35143452
I mean when in rome right?

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>>35143447
Good post anon! Keep it up!

>>35141528
Not necessarily because according to governing bodies silencers are already viewed as firearms, since they are already viewed as firearms by the govt it's not a stretch to take them off the nfa and have that just work over to a normal mics check. Other items that would be serialized would either have to e deemed firearms as well which wouldn't happen. The only reason it happened with suppressors is because of the nfa lumping firearms with the accessory(suppressors) and then making them all become firearms. Unless you're saying a law will pass that turns all accessories of a firearm into firearms. In that case get out the xhibit memes.

>>35141699
Just go hunting against invasive species, worst case come to texas. If they let you use a minigun on an airplane or explosives I'm sure 40mm shit would be no prob.

>>35142926
One? I got 3! Good host for a can since it can cycle subs, plus bolt guns are just fun.

>>35139969
but they can't do that, senpai! The republicucks are the ones doing it! They have the highest ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! It's almost like they exist solely to bend the knee to the demofags on every issue!

Finally found where it says they are voting on it today:

https://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=402754

So where would it go after this, assuming it passes this vote?

>>35143447
Our founding fathers tried that and look how well that turned out
>You have the right to bear arms, but not these arms that are destructive, and you need a license to bear these when you're concealing them, oh and states can fuck with the rules too, and of course you can't have these automatic arms

>>35142939
Who's lying? He's keeping Obama's sanctions on Russian arms and has done literally nothing for firearms rights (he could do what the SHARE Act is doing for the 'sporting purpose' for foreign semi automatic rifles since it isn't law, just the ATF's opinion).

>>35140564
Sounds like it would be a little too convenient. People would start getting suspicious even more than usual.

>>35143805
oh fugg :DDD

>>35143805
COME ON MOTHERFUCKERS, DO THE RIGHT THING

Who else is tuned in to >>35143805 so we know who to send gift baskets or dickbutts to

>>35141528
If this were the case you would already have to pay a $200 stamp for your scope

>>35139889
Okay Im taking all bets

>chances of a false flag mass shooting with a silencer tomorrow are.....?

>>35144002
please let us know how it goes

>>35141876
>He'd veto it the second he saw it on his desk, just to spite Congress,
why the fuck you lyin?

>>35144016
Hannabusa is doing the "it makes suppressors easier for criminals to get" not knowing all it takes is a trip to home depot and ACE

>>35144060
get the rope

FFS, this is why I couldn't do government work. I'm about to lose it just listening to this joker talking about how reasonable the NFA and tax stamp is for supressors...

>>35141659
You know, Im going to make it a habit of blacklisting any politician who does this.

David chipman, "gun owner" and former ATF guy gets a a dick butt because "lives were spared on the attack at the govt baseball practice because they recognized the sound of gunfire" but forgets that suppressors usually decrease sound 30-40db and that 130db is still fucking loud

>>35144060
Technically it does make it easier for criminals to get one that's compact and guaranteed to work since after this all they needed is a straw purchaser, but since they need to get a gun in the first place it's kind of a moot point. That said, you'll still probably see an increase in criminals using these things...along with everyone else. And nobody actually knows how much that will change the game for them.

>>35144126
your average criminal is too poor to get a threaded barrel.

>p-please let OUR WARRIORS fish and hunt

Is anyone there to support gun rights? wtf is this fud pog shit

>>35144142
but anon, my great uncle's cousin was in ww2 he was a brave supply warrior, I hab warrior blood in my veins never mind I haven't seen my feet in ten years

>>35140666
AVE NEX ALEA

is this our guy or another cuck from fairfag vagina?

>>35144134
Threaded barrels would get a lot cheaper if enough people want them. If this passes we'll probably see everyone offering threaded barrels as a factory option. Even hi point might get in on that action, and hi points don't require recoil boosters.

So how long is the hearing going till?

>>35144142
This is politics

>>35144174
>even hipoint

that would be bad and give democrats ammo when every nigger in the country stops going BRAP BRAP and starts going PSH PSH

>>35143890
Not him but then what? Bitch about it here? Call their brother? Not enough are awake to convince the masses. All the 911 bush did it people sceamed for years and it went nowhere.
Just watch football or reallity tv. Go back to sleep. Stare at you phone. Life is ok. Government is your master.

>>35139969
If it wasn't for McCain, Graham and Flake, the border wall would pass. But they (and probably others) don't want to abolish the legislative filibuster.

>>35144134
And to stupid to thread one

>>35141681
It will definitely pass the House and I don't see Trump not signing it. The Senate is the only thing that is blocking the bill.

>snipers at nigh
really?

lol no way this passes. The way they debate these issues is gay as fuck. The democrats pick the ATF fag and ignore the the actual experts

>"Why do you need airbags in your car if you already have seat belts?"

This is basically the logic the people who are against the HPA portion of this bill are using.

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my nigga

NONE OF THE REPUBLICANS GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT

ITS ALL ABOUT MUH NATURE MUH VETERANS

Does anyone know if we can watch this on cspan?

Republicans: MUH WOLVES MUH VETERANS

Democrats: MILLIONS OF CHILDREN WILL BE MURDERED AND THE KILLERS WILL ESCAPE WITH COMPLETELY SILENT GUNS
daily reminder if you vote for incumbents after the past year of incompetence you are part of the problem. They all have to be replaced by paul nehlen level psychopaths

>>35141137
>55%
As an atheist, that's a bullshit stat and you know it
>>35140976
>only real americans
>tfw if you dont subscribe to the spritual jew in addition to the socioeconomic ones, you arent a real american
Well shit

>>35144368
Dems the rules
I want you outta my country by friday

>"It's easy to make suppressors, anyone can already do it now."

THANK YOU. SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT.

HUR HUR I TOOK MY NOG SON SKEET SHOOTING LET ME TELL YOU WHY SILENCERS WILL KILL MY NOG SON

is there a livestream?

>>35144420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhX3HgtOYpc

>republicans: let me tell you why this bill is great and will make MUH LANDS great again

>democrats: REEEEEEE MILLIONS WILL DIE
why
are
republicans
so
politically
incompetent

>>35144426
UHM
UHM
UMH

LADY, SLOW DOWN.

THE MOST JEWISH HUMAN BEING EVER

(((lowenthal)))

>High quality American made AKs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>armour producing

>>35144426
>armor piercing rifle rounds end up in handguns
this two faced nigger

>>35144426
Shut up Chapman

incompetent republicucks fucked us once again, maybe next time

>>35144426
This isn't going so well.
Consequentialism is a fucking disease.

are there really this few members of congress?

>>35144524
This is a specific committee.

>>35144537
oh, so we have no chance of winning then.......

>>35141666
Is that rush Limbaugh or something?

>>35141837
Paul.

>>35144426
>as we all know, hunters dont use silencers
FUCK OFF AND DIE

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>>35141873
Or do like Canucks and get "behaviour modification rounds" for them.

>will force the ATF to get rid of all the papers for already registered parts

Does anyone actually believe the ATF is going to throw away a list with over a million suppressor owners in it? It's not like they will get in trouble if they don't.
They have one of the biggest track records of fuck ups and not listening to higher powers so why do people think they'll actually toss the list?

>>35144426
why are people on the same side of keeping them regulated arguing with each other? I feel like I could demolish their shit in just seconds if I had the mic

these stupid cucks

>>35144566
You could, thats whats so infuriating about this whole thing.

>>35144562
>Does anyone actually believe the ATF is going to throw away a list with over a million suppressor owners in it?
Well, no, because that list is the NFRTR...

>>35144426
>ive never gone hunting with a handgun
>I wuz in du marin corp!
Fucking marines

>Thinks handguns for hunting is "ludicrous"
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Politicians know NOTHING.

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>>35141137
>>35141171
>>35141648
>>35141666
>>35144368
According to the last gallop poll, 70.6% identify as Christians, 6% identify as some other religion, and the remaining 23.4% "report no religious affinity". Mississippi is the most religious state at 63% of adults that identify as "very religious" with New Hampshire being the least religious state with less than 20% of adults identifying as "very religious"

>MFW New Hampshire just keeps looking better

I hate this fucking cop cuck

They're just using personal anecdotes!
>well I this
>well I that
This isn't going to pass.

Is there seriously no knowledgeable pro gun people in this fucking room? Its just a god damn liberal circle jerk

>>35143030
>>35143060
Double yes. This is just the start. We ain't getting anything soon.

Can someone get me a list of names for the 'pro-SHARE' side? I have some strongly worded letters to write.q

>>35144426
>4th time bill has come through committee
>a silencer is like a machinegun or a pipe bomb (implying you can't make a pipe bomb easily)
>1930s was bad so we banned this stuff because it was dangerous (implying that today isn't much more safe)
>Chippy boy fully admits that criminals go into gun stores to buy lots of cheap handguns and not much else
wew. I can't listen to this crap anymore.

Well it's just these fucks jerking each other off. Not going to go anywhere.

>>35144584
>nearly a quarter of the country has no religious affinity
That's awful

That guy basically just said that criminals doing criminal shit is the fault of the people that want this bill to pass

Just wondering. If passed could this override the silencer bans imposed on those of us living in cuck states? Or possibly make them easier to challenge in court?

#hope

>>35139969
Republicans don't seem to want to do anything they run on for that matter.

>>35144605
Welcome to every congressional hearing ever. All it would take is for every US citizen to sit down through the entirety of one of these and we'd see sweeping change in how our government works.

>>35144624
>If passed could this override the silencer bans imposed on those of us living in cuck states?
No.

Beyer is a fucking shithead.

>>35144625
I hope breitbart inflicts catastrophic damage on these faggots and makes them vote like democrats do. As a party. I hope cancer takes mccain soon and i hope his gay bottom graham kills himself in grief

did this nigger really just say that gun legislation is traditionally bipartisan

>>35144626
>people still trust government to do the right thing
It amazes me every time. Have people ever talked to or heard their Reps speak outside of cleanly cut and edited news reports? Some of those black reps from the South are seriously fucking dumb and speak like hood rats.

WHY IS THIS ATF FAGGOT HERE? HE IS THE ENEMY

>1.3 million silencers go for sale on the internet, which they currently cant
butthatswhereyourewrong.gif

I'm so fucking mad right now.

>>35144656
>win all of congress
>win all of senate
>"muh dorner"

Aw sorry guys cant do it

Contact your reps everyone! Refute what that snake chip man said.

>expect the worst from politicians
>they still manage to disappoint me
Every single time

>>35144656
So, its dead?

>>35144663
I need to run for congress when I finish my career.

>>35144663
You have no idea all of the shit that a bill has to go through to even hit the real Congress. There's a much greater chance of a bill dying somewhere along the line, like it is here, than it is to reach the floor.

>>35144656
You think that was bad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0KYnpeZVnQ

>>35144665
what can they do at this point? its dead in committee

>>35144673
every sitting republican needs to be voted out. All of them. All of these people are friends with each other. Its a big joke. democrats smile with these morons as they twist the political dagger.

>>35144692
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are alright, what we need to do is kick out the RINOs

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aussie here, you guys need to kill your masters, they control the system and they will have their way eventually.

>>35144704
Rand paul is garbage and so is cruz

Rand paul wants to shut down the government over afghanistan he is a fucking retard and was nowhere to be seen publically about this over the past weeks when trump was deciding

>>35144720
>implying the government SHOULDN'T be shut down
Yeah, somehow nonessential services should be a thing everyone pays for.

Email your democratic Congressmen and both of your Senators!

Sample email I just used:
Dear Congressman Perlmutter,

I am writing today as a constituent of yours to voice a simple support for the SHARE act, and to implore you to support it as well. Our constitutional republic has many fundamental tenets, but one of the most important ones is that the governed give consent to be governed. Any and all pro second amendment legislation essentially empower the governed, and by extension increase their autonomy to give consent to be governed, thus upholding this fundamental tenet of our society.

This is not a matter of consequentialist rhetoric, but rather one of principle. 2nd Amendment rights are critical to the security of a free state, one in which the citizens have the freedom to support (or not) their government. For this reason I urge you to support the SHARE act.

Thank you for you consideration.

T. Anon

reminder to vote for new blood on every ballot until you die

these folks need to be cycled out

>>35144753
yep

doesnt matter who. All of them have to go. They must see that nobody can be spared. Its only until then they will start voting like winners

>>35141312
He means the liberals.

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>Former ATF agent decries lifting import ban stating it would hurt profits of domestic manufacturers
>Cries about how removing suppressors from the NFA will only lead to greater profits for domestic manufacturers no more than 5 minutes later

>>35144663
No clue what you're talking about. Try to strawman better next time.
>>35144672
No idea, but listening to all that garbage made me upset.

>>35144753
This. The new blood will feel pressure to listen too. They'll know they got there because someone got booted out because they wouldn't listen to their voters and it can happen to them too

>>35141876
Its been 8 years? Damn, where did the time go.

Did it pass yet? Did it fail yet?

>>35144908
Bump for interested in exactly where in the process this Bill is. It basically is guaranteed to pass the House because we have a Republican House of Representatives majority, but we do not have a Senate Majority and so if it is going to fail anywhere, it will fail in the Senate?

So the trick is to really pressure your Senator.

>>35144908
>>35144930
It needs to get past committee first guys

>>35144939
Reee if it dies in Committee that will really suck.

I wonder if I would get my $200 back for my tax stamp. Just bought a suppressor last week.

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Kill all politicans when

>>35144961
The current bill includes a $200 refund for all stamps after Oct XX, 2015.

What needs to happen is that someone who can write well needs to put together a letter saying essentially the the Repubs need to fucking get some pro 2a stuff through the system or they're going to suffer in midterms. Then it needs to be sent to the RNC, NRA, the President, and released for public view. Basically calling on them to put up or shut up.

This would have to be one helluva well written letter, and be released simultaneously on social media.

>>35144996
Neato thanks.

Bump for when does the committee vote? Anyone know how that process works? If your congressperson is on the committee does it then make sense to bug them?

>>35145002
It always makes sense to bug them. I annoy the shit outta mine, and they're pro 2a.

They all move in the same circles despite any nonsense they try to sell you to the contrary.

The thing that is so damned infuriating about watching this is the lack of opposition. Totally one sided sham.

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It'll be OK guys. Just do your part

I really want to bonk mr. chippy over the head with a can of 7n6

>>35144748
Jeffco bro! Fuck perlmutter for real though.

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I had to study for my microecon test today, and now Im too mad to study. thanks.

So based on these posts I'm gonna say it didn't go well?

>>35145148
Yes but theres still a small chance because they haven't voted on it yet (as far as I can tell)

>>35144999
This

>>35145148
Hopefully it was just an opportunity for the democrat members of the committee to virtue signal, and go on record as being against it. We'll see, does anyone know the makeup of this committee?

>>35139889
Guys I'm legit scared. If this passes then spooky ghost assassin tubes will be legal in American to silently shoot children.

As much as I'd like suppressors to be removed from the NFA, I really hope it doesn't happen. When the pendulum swings back, dems aren't just going to put them back in the NFA. They're going to make them illegal. Before all this, they barely even knew they existed.

>>35145189
They already were for like 2 years with solvent traps. All ya needed was a power drill and they didnt show up at crime scenes or shootings

>>35145215
There's too many suppressors. And there will be a super hard push against it. Itll be like when the wtf just decided that m855 was evil and therefore banned. And there was a huge push against it and they retracted their ruling. Remember we are a majority

any updates from those of you with the patience to watch this horseshit?

>>35143607
Thanks man.

>>35144999
We would have to get some non discredited celebrities who people might actually care about to endorse it loudly as possible because social media sites will censor it. We'll also have to form an NGO lobbying group with some decent sounding commie friendly name because otherwise we're just a collection of nobodies even if we're most of the people in the country.

In other words, this is never going to happen.

Just got here, can someone tell me what the current situation is?

>>35145644
2% chance of success

>>35140998
>lives in a cucked state

>>35144174
>will get cheaper if people want them

Uhh, someone doesn't understand supply and demand. They will get more expensive.

Active shooter at New Hampshire hospital :>)

>>35145719
BULL FUCKING SHIT.
SAUCE MOTHERFUCKER.
PLEASE BE A LIAR.

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>>35140564
>>35145719
>>35145734
http://time.com/4938113/new-hampshire-hospital-active-shooter/

>>35145739
There has not been confirmation of a shooting, according to a hospital spokesman.

>>35145739
>>35145734
There's no date on this page at all aside from the 2011 picture.

>>35145719
$200 tax stamp says he's using a silencer

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>>35145739
i dont fucking believe it

>>35144011
Fuuuuuuuu

>>35145677
What is economy of scale.

>>35145739
Look up Lebanon N.H hospital shooting.
Other news outlets are starting to get it.
MOTHERFUCKER WHY COULDNT YOU BE A PIECE OF SHIT TROLL.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

>>35145677
>t. C-average Highschool student that took econ for a semester
Retard

https://www.rt.com/usa/403106-active-shooter-new-hampshire/

White male in aplenflage confirmed

>>35145977
Live feed here.
http://wspa.com/2017/09/12/active-shooter-reported-at-nh-hospital/amp/
How the fuck is this not page 1 material you dipshits?

>>35146088
this shit happens all the time. it's not even interesting anymore. media will go into hysterics, talking heads will talk about gun violence blah blah blah fuck white people ban guns etc, news cycle will move on in a few days, nothing really changes.

>>35146088
>Investigating report
>Not yet confirmed

what happened?

>>35146168
The deep state makes more moves, sheds more blood, all to maintain control.

>>35144617
Why? Strict Dogma is regressive

>>35146323
>Strict Dogma is regressive
Spotted the retard. All first order knowledge is built upon dogma. Don't believe me? Try to prove that mathematics or logic are true.

>>35144625
why would they want to pass any of their pet issues, then they can't run on them next election

>>35146533
Are the dems any different?

>>35146472
>try to prove that mathematics and logic are true

No, because that's a stupid position to take. Mathematics and logic are founded in observable truths and reality so far as we are able to perceive it. Whether that reality is founded on a fundamentally dogmatic perception doesn't change anything about what it is to exist in said reality. The thought occurring to me that the mechanism of gravity as I understand it is an assumption based on an unknowable truth doesn't change the fact that if I jump up, I will then fall. The slippery slope of "you can't truly know anything so you may as well assume you know everything" in the form of faith in a god is just stupid, and to believe that such a god would then put arbitrary restrictions and rules on mankind is taking it a step further past metaphysical conjecture into the realm of pure drivel that runs contrary to human dignity.

>>35146869
So you've observed the number 3? Can you tell me where it is so I can observe it, too?

>The slippery slope of "you can't truly know anything so you may as well assume you know everything" in the form of faith in a god is just stupid
That's not how this works at all. Dogma literally means "that which one thinks is true." There is no way to prove any first order knowledge since there is nothing able to be known before them to support their claims. Logic, math, and religious beliefs are all first order knowledge.

For instance, you and I can observe the geometric postulates. I haven't ever seen one to be false and I'm sure you haven't as well. I believe them to be true. Would you say my strict dogmatic adherence to geometric postulates is regressive? I say that unfounded criticism of dogmas is the regressive form of thought.

>doesn't change the fact that if I jump up, I will then fall.
It does change the fact that you only are able to believe it and not know it. It, too, is a strict dogma. If I were to question your dogmatic belief (with an equal lack of proof) in gravity would that be progressive of me? I'd believe it to be the opposite and that strict dogma is actually the progressive thing.

>>35147084
You know very well I was talking about religious dogmas and not gravity or math, moron, which is a far cry from arguing the merits (or lack thereof) of a theocratic society. Quit being fucking pedantic on purpose

>>35145739

> Literally can't go a single day in America without a mass shooting, causing pro-gun legislation to be held up because of the optics

Get your shit together America.

>>35146549
They are different about a lot of things. The Democrats have spent generations making themselves the party of the bureaucracy, and of what Marx would call the "lumpenproletariat" (people so poor they are effectively outside the economy). When they get power, advance their agenda in areas where it means expanding the bureaucracy (state, local, and federal), and/or increase the size of the program-dependent underclass. Republicans mostly go along with for reasons I don't fully understand, but rarely push their own supposed agenda when in power.

You are right to the extent that the Democrats won't ever do much to intentionally address their constituents' day-to-day grievances (for instance, trying to reign in overcriminalization and police aggression). Actually fixing problems would break their political model.

>>35147234
>the only true dogmas are the ones I agree with
I suppose you believe guns are "good" except when used to do something bad, too?
>Quit being fucking pedantic on purpose
There's nothing pedantic about this when your entire statement was "Strict Dogma is regressive." Either you need to frame your arguments around your fragile sentimentality or you need to at least be marginally consistent (or you could even be quiet and no one would "pedantically" criticize you). When you admit to strict dogmatic adherence to ideas you fancy and denounce the entirety of strict dogmas itself it's quite contradictory of you.

>>35144641
Got any vids on the nog reps?

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>>35145739
Foxshill, but still: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/12/dartmouth-hitchcock-medical-center-on-lockdown-after-active-shooter-report-new-hampshire-hospital-says.html