Russia 6th Gen MiG confirmed

>>35138868
BURGER KEKS BTFO HOW WILL AMERICANS EVER RECOVER


XAXAXAXXAXACCAAXXAXAXAXAX

>nationalinterest

Yeah. Make a thread when somebody trustworthy posts the story. Like CNN or something.

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>>35138868
>russia has a shitty hybrid fighter but US has space corps and dedicated space fighters
>first confirmed space kill is when russian pilot can barely control shitty mig and space shuttle door gunner laughs his ass off and mops the floor with him

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>>35138868
Another thread? Westshit hype of westshit propaganda. MiG announced that they are thinking about MiG-41 like 3-4 years ago. Have sage.

>Russians make another render of a aircraft/ship/submarine that they'll never build
How will NATO ever recover?

>>35139048
>red-blooded interceptor
>hybrid fighter
Amerishit, pls.

>>35138868
>The MiG-41 will fly in outer space.
I seriously doubt they'll be crossing the Kármán line with any reguality.

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>>35138868
Knowing Russia will become Venezuela 2 in the near future.

>>35138868
>Build one
>Store it in warehouse
>Warehouse collapses because it isn't maintained

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>>35139195
The warehouse you are referring to was under jurisdiction of Kazakhstan, dummy.

>>35138868
>Sorry to be frank, but if I were F-22/F-35 NATO pilot, I would be feeling very, very nervous right now.

That iconic Slav lnguistic structure just can't be hidden well, rofl.

Tell me m8 - the US built 180 F22s starting exactly 20 years ago, and now the first PAK-FAs (excuse, Su-57, since we're pretending they're not still prototyping) are rolling out.

How many super-duper-unmanned-stealth-hypersonic-buzzword aircraft is the USA going to have, once the first magic Russian dog-n-pony rolls out of the workshop?

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>>35139219
>store new planes in un-maintained foreign warehouses because you can't afford to buld your own, functional warehouses

It's even sillier than I thought, and even worse you seem to think this is a valid mitigating factor!

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>>35139219

Right additional steps are missing
>build one
>store it in warehouse
>lose control of the country the warehouse is in, as well as most of the factories the parts were built in
>make no arrangements to retrieve it
>some day dig it up, discover it's literally a cardboard model, the real thing was sold to a Bulgarian farmer for a considerable amount of vodka and a pack of smokes
>he keeps it in his barn and flies it occasionally

>>35139245
>That iconic Slav lnguistic structure just can't be hidden well, rofl.
I'll never understand why the slavshits feel the need to astroturf a mongolian throatsining website of all places.

That being said, they're surprisingly good at it. Russian shills managed to create the most popular "Texas" facebook page.

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>can enter low earth orbit
>equipped with lasers

We Ace Combat 7 naow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgKtk73nfEE

>>35138868
Look Mommy!
I made this thread again!

>>35139269
>foreign
>Wtf is the dissolution of the Soviet Union?
Stop. Get some help.

>>35139048
>When you compare jets flown by african and middle eastern pilots to american/nato flown aircraft.

Wew lad

>>35141221
what you're not going to bring up monkey models too?

>>35141221
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20

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>>35141247
>Implying monkey models are not a thing because memes
Next time you're going to say Lion of Babil was somehow equivalent to T-72.

>>35141252
>Soviets got too cocky and let themselves into an ambush
So?

>>35138868
With each passing day it becomes clearer that the engineers at Mikoyan are on enough krokodil to the point where they think they're Belkans

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>>35141306
As of now, MiG exists almost solely on government subsidies. It's only natural that they are trying to come up with something.

>>35141374
But why such a stupid and out-there project to work on? Surely not even the room-temperature IQs in the Russian DoD actually believe this is a possibility from a practically defunct designer.

>>35141306
Only Osea can into space.

Also fun fact, Belka in Russian is "Squirrel"

>>35141304
It shows that the best aircraft, flown by the best pilots the Soviets had was not good enough...

>>35141410
What's so stupid about a top notch interceptor? It's quite literally the only thing they can try to excel with, since Sukhoi fighters are just better in every single way and the demand for MiG-29K and MiG-35 is less than limited.
>in the Russian DoD
I think you are mixing thing up. DoD signs deals. What to offer is on behalf of bureaus. Remember BMPT that UVZ was super hyped about, but it ended up as a useless gimmick that no one wanted.

>>35141458
>Command going to cocky and disregarding recon
>It shows that the best aircraft
Opinion discarded, have a nice day.

Fat americucks will forever be BTFO by the mighty Russia.

>>35138993
>irony the post
kek

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>>35138868
S-P-A-C-E

>>35141600
In the head of vatniks, in reality...

>>35141543

Right right right, it's not the Soviet's fault, it's just that they were so thoroughly incompetent at every level of every organization that victory is ultimately impossible in every scenario, even when outnumbering the enemy. Thus we can only assume the plane is perfect, since real world data is unreliable when compared to feelings and wishful thinking. We must disregard its actual performance to truly understand what it is capable of тoвapищ)))

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>>35141221

>>35141654
>it's not the Soviet's fault
I literally said it's the Soviets' fault, clown.

>>35141543
No, the pilots got cocky. The Egyptians said this would happen and the Soviets at every level called them dumb. They paid the price.
Besides, even if they wanted to it's not like the Russians could have sustained operations in that region and NOT have gotten completely shattered.

>>35141708
>No, the pilots got cocky
From what I know it's the command that went full retard and ordered the pilots the fly the mission. Might be mistaken though. Anyway, was a complete fuck-up right away on the stage on planning.

>>35141646
in reality, the president of the united states is a puppet for putin and the cold war era effort of marxist infiltration into americas institutions has finally taken a big enough hold for self sustainment and growth. the death of america has hit its climax and its all downhill from here.

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>>35141785
>the president of the united states is a puppet for putin
CNN, please.

>>35141785
In the head of vatniks, in reality...

>>35138868
Russia gets more fake and gay daily as the cash runs out

>>35138868
>space
Probably just hitting 101 km altitude in a parabolic flight pattern due to
>hypersonic speed
Mach 4 isn´t bad, but hypersonic starts at Mach 5 if I remember correctly.

>>35138993
>CNN
Im walking 360 degrees and then turning away.

>>35141374
MiG is merging with Sukhoi as we speak. Russians can't afford domestic competition.

>>35141532
Isn't Russia planning to buy ~40 something Mig-35s? That's not much different from their Su-35 buy.

>>35138868
I am tired of "will be", "will have", "soon" and other whataboutism.
About ANY kind of weapon from any nation.
Give me capabilities RIGHT NOW. Give me records, give me operational experience.
But stop giving me bullshit pretentions.
As long as a weapon is not commissioned, operational, in significant numbers, with trained crews, and a solid supply chain, it is unproven, and therefore, a non-existent threat to anyone.

If you disagree with this, you may as well argue about how the americano-chinese federation spacecrafts will be superiors to the pan-african-European christian caliphate starships in 2247, and how the 24th generation russo-finnish orbital fighters are so much better than the 23rd generation south american-antarctican sub-gravitational interceptors.

Because yes, baseless claims from people seemingly knowledgeable or pretending to be so do sound THAT stupid.

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>>35141306
1. They are under command of Suchoi now and in OAK.
2. Nothing that they told in reality (not in wasted fantasy translations of incompetent journalists) can't be achieved by modern technology.
Take an A-12, put ASM-135 ASAT inside, mount President-S system and modern autopilot. That's it, you have Mig-41. Can "operate in space", supersonic, high altitude, unmanned-ready system equipped with "battle laser". Max speed close to M3.3 and unit has "stealth elements".

http://youtu.be/xss56iAA0-A

>russian planes

>>35139146
>>35138993
>>35138935
>>35138868
>>35139157
>>35139162
Vatniks are out in force this morning

>>35138868
>nationalinterest

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>>35143761
Dude, it's just a common sense and we've got this kind of shit every month. Russian official tells something about their plans. Burgers "journalists" take reasonable statements and make a click-bait with some Tumblr renders and overdramatization. And /k/ discuss not the original statements but that Tumblr renders and shitting around "vaporware". Geez, like you was not here when all around were giggling about PAK-TA articles illustrated by random renders of some student. Same shit was with Armata too.

>>35143826

>the Russian semi-truck drone

>>35143753
>Russian
>It's Ukrainian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster
Amerishit got so mad he is crapping out videos now, lol.

>>35138868
>Russia concedes the Su-57 is a stillborn fetus

>Russia concedes their missiles are shit and must gamble on lasers

>Russia concedes pilots are shit and must be prepared to go without them

>Russia concedes they will NEVER hold air superiority and must flee to space.

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>>35143844
These and many other shocking reveals this night on CNN. Watch now: how Putin controls Trump and why Hillary should have won the elections.

>>35143855
>le CNN meme presented by 9gag

>>35143420

Reposting an older comment I made...

The best jet engines can't work above ~30,000 m ( 100,000 feets ), some plane ( world record was a modified mig 25 which managed to reach 37,000 m) can go slightly above if they can build up speed and go into a parabolic trajectory ( where the pilot will be weightless ), however such a plane needs a Thrust to weight ratio above 1, many recent fighter planes do have a TWR>1 at sea level,the su-35 having above 1.5, but the thrust of an engine gets lower with altitude (since it can suck less air, so it has less reaction mass), besides assuming that you have a plane that can still have > 1 TWR at 100k feets you still need to have at least 5000 kph (3000 mph) of excess vertical speed to reach 100 km, the official limit of the atmosphere, but now you have another problem, because turbojets can't work above Mach 3, so you need a ramjet (and maybe even a scramjet) to reach Mach 5, and ramjet have a lower TWR (so you need more of them and a lighter fuselage to keep the plane's TWR able 1) as well as being less efficient (so you need more fuel, so your plane is heavier).

It isn't technically impossible, some jet-powered boosters have been designed to help rocket reach space, but it is incredibly hard to do on an unmanned plane with that only goal in mind during conception, you can imagine how hard it would be to make it on a stealthy, manned warplane with a power generation unit to power a laser and with tons of bombs

So don't count on it actually going Above the karman line unless it has magical Project Pluto tier engine or SRBs under the wings. At 2500 knots this could go Above 50,000 m though in parabolic flight

>>35144000
>Project Pluto tier engine
TOPKEK
A nuclear ramjet in a fighter plane, the 50s called, they want their plans back...

mig 31 a plane that russia used to replace air defence cause it was THAT good at its job
a plane that could reach 68000ft
one of the fastest planes in the world

and /k/ anons that obviously have phd on thermodynamics and in aeronautics already concluded that its shit
because apparently they have all the info they need despite the fact that the plane dont even exist

>>35141374
>implying LM doest solely exist on govt subsidies

>>35138868
>Speed required by the laws of physics to enter low Earth orbit: 17,000 MPH
>Propoganda sci-fi spaceship speed: 3000 MPH
No space for you, vatnik.

>>35141374
>MiG exists almost solely on government subsidies

All our "industry" except for oil-digging is unprofitable and exists solely on government subsidies.
I don't understand what's point in spending so much money on useless born-dead projects like Mig-41, Su-57, T-14, S-500, RS-28, new aircraft carrier and space warfare when the people in our country are in two steps from eating birch bark? It's clear we will never be able to compete with NATO neither in quality nor in quantity, since their military expenditures are larger than our whole GDP. Even if the 41 will ever be developed, Russia couldn't be able to produce it in any large numbers.

>>35144074
Mig 25 (when compared to other planes of his age) an mig 31 were/are absolutely amazing planes, I know we're all joking about it but I really hope that MiG are making the ultimate interceptor.

The SR-71 has been sittig at te first position of "fastest manned air breathing plane" for too long, time to beat it!

I'm getting hard thinking about such beauty, even If it has large flaws that make it an awful war machine and huge cost I want another record buster for pilots with huge balls

>>35144152
m8 do you realise that you only need to go above 100 km to be in space?The Russians never talked about orbit. You only need Mach 5 or so in initial vertical speed to reach space in a parabolic flight.

>>35144108
I don't think you understand what "subsidies" means. LM makes a product, they get paid for it.

MiG can't make a profit, gets kept running by government funds.

>Everyone in this thread arguing about some artist's made-up plane design Vatniks repackaged as a real concept

>>35138868
Mother Russia strong!
Conquering of space for glorious peoples homeland!

>>35144152
>low Earth orbit:
didnt knew space starts at 180km now

shit i better spank nasa and esa surely they are mistaken that anon is right
nasa still keep selling us fake news!!!111!!!

>barely got the su57 working
>already plans for next generation

that shit would take at least 40 years to make

>>35144188
LM recieves Billions of dollars a year just to keep their doors open, whether they produce anything or not

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>>35144108
Lockheed does commercial stuff too from comms systems for mines to energy storage / management / instrumentation, etc. Just recently they even started selling commercial / civilian C-130s (called the LM-100J).

>>35144211
Proof?

>>35144152
Lots of idiocy ITT but you're the worst.

>>35138868

I sure hope they plan on making that fighter go more than 3000mph if they plan on getting into space

>>35144220
8.5 billion in unnacounted for dod spending has to be going somewhere

Promising interceptor, designed to replace the MiG-31, will be supplied to the troops by 2025, Russian Air Force Commander Colonel General Viktor Bondarev, said 11 August 2014. "Since 2017 we start working with a prospective aviation distant interception complex that will replace the MiG-31. Now there are research works, then will be development work, and until 2025, I think it will go to the troops" - Commander said. Bondarev said that the development work, involving the creation of a prototype of the aircraft, due to start in 2017. In 2013, Bondarev said that the Air Force offered to create a new interceptor before the end of the current state armaments program, which ends in 2020. According to him, if such a plane will appear, he will be able by 2028 to replace the entire fleet of MiG-31 interceptors. Russian Air Force plans to not give up on the MiG-29 fighter aircraft, as these aircraft have enough reserves to modernize in order to remain in service for at least another 10-15 years.

how did we manage to do a 3 years old news into today?

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>>35144159
Your post is so stupendously retarded I'm not even going to attempt to reason with you.

>>35144240
It is not implied to be capable of reaching orbit.

Off yourself, fucking mouthbreathing retard.

>>35144242
So it's obviously going to a company that makes a hugely diverse number of extremely profitable products, right?

>>35138868
Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh, wait, they're serious. Let me laugh even harder: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>35144199
>>barely got the su57 working

Not yet. The 5th gen engine for Su-57 is still under development, NPO "Saturn" is going to introduce it only in 2019.

>>35143844
>Russia concedes their missiles are shit and must gamble on lasers
Not sure how you managed to get that, considering it is specifically stated to be an anti-missile defense, which is the usual thing we expect out of these first generation small airborne lasers for fighters.

You know, the kind of thing that might actually completely nullify America's aerial technological dominance and make all that Soviet super-maneuverability relevant again. If you can't press button to delet enemy then you're going to have to go in with good old cannons...

>>35141636
>sharpest knives
>swiss army knife
nigger what

>>35144242
Where's the $8.5 unaccounted for? There's a fuck ton of waste and accounting screw-ups that happen down to the lowest levels - eg: office buys 8 computers; one guy leaves so they puts his desk and computer in a storage room and everyone forgets about it. Boss does a tally of how many computers there and counts 7. Later someone's asking why they spent $16,000 in $2000 computers when there's only 7. Finances records $2000 as unaccounted for.

It reminds me when there was outrage and conspiracies spreading about how apparently F-22 production tooling had gone missing; turns out that (surprise, surprise) there's a fuck ton of production tooling and it can take months to physically check and inventory the contents of every storage crate, so it took them a few months to find every part.

>>35144325
They come from the factory sharp enough to shave with

>>35144277

You seem upset.

>>35144428
No wonder. /k/'s utter ignorance of anything space-related is upsetting. This board has a special kind of uneducated redneck feel to it.

>>35144563

And that was what made you sperg out? Not the fighter jet that could reach space...Which would need a solid fuel or oxygentated fuel source. Plus thrusters for maneuvering in in a zero atmosphere environment where control surfaces will have zero effect. All of that and still room for a weapons platform. As if their "5th gen" aircraft is worthy of being called 5th gen...And they now have viable plans for a successor 6th gen.

Nah. Not even rustled here.

>>35144652
>you
Protip: it wasn't me.

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>>35138868

>>35138868
>In 18 years from now Russia will have THING
I mean, okay. 18 years ago we had dial-up modems, nobody bothered with cell phones, Hillary was just Bill's wife, and running Windows 95 instead of upgrading was a viable option.

Anyone can promise the moon if they'll be retired before the result comes in.

>>35143761
Half of them aren't vatniks and one was clearly taking the piss, newfag.

What is it with Russia and announcing designs that aren't even close to production and then acting like they've btfo everyone else with their concept drawings and computer renders? I don't get it, it's so transparently pathetic that one must assume they are joking.

>>35138868
that art has been doing the rounds for years.

>>35146916
Because it's been their MO since the Cold War because it sorta worked back then when they could scare NATO about how super special their tanks and fighter planes allegedly were, and they just kept sticking with that tactic.

>>35144273
>The vatnik sees another Russian, this one not blinded by nationalistic dick stroking and vodka
>"y-y-you're stupid!"

>>35144012
Hence the 'magical' but beforehand, he's clearly being sarcastic, faggot.

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>>35138993
>Like CNN or something.
Funny guy huh?

>>35146916
Because, as someone else already stated, this is done by fan boys. Either russian teenagers or western journalists without a proper employment.

Some general or engineer makes a somewhat bold statment or discribes what might be possible to achieve in ten years and some idiot makes a big story about it.

Just don't fall for this obvious bait....

>>35144000
Could do something like Skylon's SABRE, but
>russian engine manufacturing

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>>35141785
>the death of america has hit its climax and its all downhill from here.

Why can't Third Worlders speak English? It's the absolute least that you could do here for fucks sake

>>35141785
Learn to write proper english you stupid nigger. Your bait sucks dick.

>>35141785
>the president of the united states is a puppet for putin

Then I guess its a good thing that he is checked by a congress that recently put in place more sanctions that cant be removed by executive action.

>>35150252
Pretty good thing.

the nation-state equivalent of a trailer trash divorced dad with 200 guns and no running water

>>35138868
It's too bad that Russia is on the cusp of demographic, economic, and geopolitical collapse. Otherwise, were that fighter to ever be built it would indeed be a contender.

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>>35138868
>pipedream until 2035
>every other relevant country already have space planes
>flashlight and magnifying glass laser system a laughing stock of superpowers

Not too worried, m8.

>>35138868
Go to bed Ivan you're drunk

>>35141252
>a single incident
>vs Amercian aircraft flow buy jew in many war

>>35138868

cute

>>35139180
>Knowing Russia will become Venezuela 2 in the near future
I'll take Venezuela 2.0 Russia over living in Brazil 2.0 in America

>>35146893
Thanks, thats one more space on my russian bingo

but russiya will hve enough money from petrol to build this when filty saudi gets banned for fracking by hippie america companie

fatnik btfo

>>35152576
When will they have enough money for english lessons?

>>35138868
MUH DIK

>>35139048
Mig-25 was the fastest combat aircraft ever put into production.

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>>35138868
>ivan flies into space
>realizes there's no thrusters to turn around
>hops out of cockpit and pushes off plane towards earth
>dies on reentry

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>>35152677
>>realizes there's no thrusters to turn around
Nigger pls

>>35152690
>implying russkies would have the foreskin to add such things when all their brain power was spent on their laserpointer/discoball missle interception system

>>35152706
foresight*

>>35152706
>>35152709
>implying americans would have the foreskin

>>35138868
Yes, and the prpgnda-77 will be able to travel through time.

How could a jet go into space? Jet engines need air to operate.

>>35138868
What a sexy aircraft.
Amerobeses noses are out of joint ITT.
What do you expect when your army gives you a medal for fucking up and getting shot.

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>>35147033
>The fatnik shitposter sees something bad being said about Russia
>Immediately jumps in to support it
Find a room you two.

Redpill me on the Su 35 and F 35, which one is the bigger flop?

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>>35138935
I would imagine by drawing better sci-fi art.

>>35138868
>Russia

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>35154134
Well, one is made by Russians, the other is an excellent plane that will ensure NATO air dominance another 50 years.

>>35154328
f35
literally a bomber made for gci
a fucking bomber will ensure air dominance

cant imagine what the americans where thinking when a7 corsair was out and about

>>35155350

WHAT IS THE DROOP SNOOT LIGHTNING?

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>>35155350
>a bomber made for gci
>a fucking bomber will ensure air dominance

>>35139048
>US has space corps
It seems unlikely for now:
>The current Congressional proposal to create a special Space Corps to lead U.S security programs for that realm likely will amount to nothing, suggested Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson.
http://spacenews.com/space-corps-proposal-will-fizzle-wilson-says/

It's more likely that we will see the return of US Space Command:
>HR2810 FY18 could re-establish the United States Space Command as a subordinate unified command under the United States Strategic Command not later than January 1, 2019. This bill also includes the creation of the United States Space Corps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Command

>>35141221
Soviet pilots were very active in both Korea and Vietnam. Same with SAM site operators.

>>35149366
Yeah, that could work if they don't even think about having a high delta V, honestly they wouldn't even need the rocket part of the modified SABRE engine because the turbojet mode can already work up to 6000 kph and 30 Km, while keeping a high thrust ( 14 TWR at those speed! By comparison F22's engine has 7.5, and scramjets have 2 at most), so it would be enough to build up enough speed for a parabolic flight in space. However it would be really hard to put the technology in a fighter jet, even without the rocket part and the need for liquid oxygen tanks. The heat exchanger part ( that cools the air from 1200K to 100K) need some excess Liquid hydrogen to work well, so simply modifying the Engine for kerosene may cause some problems, and the compressor need liquid helium, which is a bitch to work with and make the plane more expensive to fly. Although the kerosene version may have even more thust than the normal, hydrogen sabre.

On one hand the Skylon/Hotol project has never been quite expensive so it should be within the Russian budget, on the other it benefits from over 35 years of work by Brits engineers, so I doubtthey can build something similar in less than a decade.

>>35138868
Why? If you were a F-22 or F-35 pilot, your flying days would be over before this thing makes its first flight.

Further more, this 6th generation sounds about on par with rumored USAF projects like Aurora and TR3B. Stories about these started surfacing over 20 years ago.

To be honest, this all sounds like Russian science fiction being a generation behind American science fiction.

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>>35158826
>sounds about on par with rumored USAF projects
>OP: flys in space

I agree there might be something hypersonic in the future but common, there will always be a place in the "market" for purely atmospheric fighters. A spaceplane would be good in some kinds of fights but a relatively small fighter wouldnt have the energy required to make it to orbit and the mig-41 does not look like it has enough fuel for orbital insertion.

>>35139273
What the fuck is that and why is it not dead yet?

>>35152882

not if they use space plasma.

>>35157337

HOTOL/Skylon relies on a very well made heat exchange system using advanced materials in the engines.

>ENGINES.
>RUSSIA.
>WELL MADE.
Pick 2.

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>>35159837
>Pick 2.
I pick all three and fuck you lad.

any argument made in favor of the russians is moot because they will never be able to actually afford anything they say that they're going to build

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>>35160435

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>>35159452
It's a beetle going from beetle baby to beetle adult.

>>35152547
Hey, at least Brazilians actually have food, even if it is monkeys.

>>35160883
That's based on old tech RD-33 engines.

The newer versions are not that shit. And the AL-41F engines are definitely not RD-33 tier.

t. Canuck Avionics Tech.

>>35158826
>TR3B
All info about the "TR3B" is coast to coast AM levels of quackery.

>>35138868
>PAK DA

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military industrial cucks btfo

>>35143761
I find it interesting to see that the anti-russian shills work full time to maintain a presence on 4chan so that when they need to they can transition off of the /k/, etc, training grounds to move into the /pol/ hotspots.


The US has nothing but benefit to gain from a strong alliance with Russia. It is the old money families and Communist Germany and France that have everything to loose.

>>35161061
this is correct, though that slide was made purely to try and sell F-16s to Germany and then Poland who had old ass Mig-29s

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They started the test flights

>>35138868
I heard North Korea's futur mecha "Kim-89" will be even better.

It can litterally transform from a jet into a tank mid flight.
It will really be invisible thanks to latest stealth technology innovation by glorious best korean scientists.
It will needing no refuel because of nuclear reactor.
It will also have the smartest missiles of all because of Glorious Leader's personal contribution to their programming.

It won't be ready until 2117, though

>>35163151
>started
Anti russian shill confirmed! They have been doing those tests for decades already!

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>>35163019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32T_YH2CQWI

>Still being a retarded memelord
>2017

>>35163048
>Vatnik full of shit tries to "but we should ally"

>>35163048
No, we have nothing to gain from a US-Russia alliance, it would take billions of USD just to get them someplace where they could be useful and not a drain on resources.

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Ivan couldn't even produce a functioning stealth fighter, and now you seriously think that they will master orbit-level aircraft?
Anon pls

>>35163744
Being invisible is pretty difficult. Strapping enough rockets to put Ivan into space is fairly straightforward.

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>>35164004
>Strapping enough rockets to put Ivan into space is fairly straightforward.
Oh my god, i just figured it out! They are using russian butthurt to accelerate the plane into space. Russian butthurt is endless. Place a "Crimea belongs to Ukraine" sticker into the cockpit and you could fly to the moon with it.

>>35164084
>They are using russian butthurt to accelerate the plane into space

/thread

>>35138868
Thank the Nazis and Nazi scientists for this technology. I'm sure without them Russia and the U.S would be no where.

>>35163048
>the US, a strongly capitalist nation, has nothing but benefit to gain from a strong alliance with a mercurial at best nation which has little regard for free trade and whose ageing economy is shored up only by subsidies and protectionsim

>>35164872
Don't forget the Kleptocracy that actually runs Russia.

ok here's a real question, will anti missile lasers blind the optics of the missile or melt/explode the body?

>>35165047
Damage/Destroy.

If it were merely about blinding you could do that with a unit sold on the commercial market.

>>35138868
The only thing a NATO pilot has to be worried about is future gen fighters not having a seat for him.

If Russia builds one of these 'space planes' it'll be a fucking miracle.

>>35138868
so long as nobody is doing any war in orbit, I am good. I really do not fucking want kessler syndrome to become a reality

>>35157337
If a typical mission profile only needs to go suborbital once, the extra LH and LHe could just be in a drop tank?

>>35159837
>Pick 2.
This is exactly why my original post had
>russian engine manufacturing

>>35138868
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

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>>35138868

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>>35138868
.

>>35144398
What knives don't nowadays. But it's not about factory edge, it's about how sharp you can get it with sharpening and how well it keeps an edge. Powder forged steels are usually going to be sharper from the factory anyway

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>>35165999

>>35138868
literally what the fuck is the point of this when LM announced the SR-72's goal speed of Mach 6+ earlier this year

>>35138868

They'll build 3, with 20 year old engines because the new ones "aren't ready", and the weapons systems will never be tested because they don't want to "reveal their capability".

>>35138868
>>35138935
>outer space
>50 miles

Operational Ceiling over 250,000 feet
> can literally drop missiles on mere aircraft


>>35138993
>trustworthy
>CNN
Do you know where you are?