Gentlemen

>>35127526
哈哈鏡

Convince them to massacre Sparrows and they'll have a massive famine. No fighting necessary

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>>35127526
Allies and pic related.

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>>35127526
Subs, 11 aircraft carriers, best special forces, and more allies.

Why are you guys such Sinophobes? Especially you Aussies and Yanks?

Ok, Aussies, I can understand as both you and Canada are slowly getting colonised by China, but I seriously dont think that the Americans should have any issues with China as China is a massive economic partner, and also a very useful destabilizing player in Asia, seeing just how much buttpain they cause every other nation in Asia (Russia included. I really do hope that none of you have fallen for that "Russia-China alliance" canard).

There is literally no reason to worry about China, considering that the worst they've done is to claim a few islands wholly within their SOI

>>35127601
A deposit has been made in your name Chicom.

>>35127626
I'm Scottish.

>>35127601
Because China dares to try to make ONE naval base in the South CHINA sea, and we proud Americans have zero tolerance for imperialism and military expansion. Simply no reason to have military bases outside your land borders, we must stop those imperialist monsters before it's too late.

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>>35127634
Race traitor

>>35127648
You're God damn right

>>35127526
You cant defeat your biggest trade patern.

It's easier we see USA attacking Israel than China.

Money and resources rules the world, not silly teenager patriotism.

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>>35127609
USN/JMSDF is most aesthetic combination

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>>35127674
>>35127609

>>35127526
Stop trading with them.

>>35127648
I know you are trying to be sarcastic but this is Merica(tm) what you said is totally true.

>>35127526
Literally impossible, maybe back in the early 90s but still probably not. China is by far the strongest nation in the world right now, they only lack in power projection but that is changing rapidly.

>>35127674
>that rust
Truly a superpower.

>>35127688
What I don't understand is why the American companies in China just don't move en mass to other third world countries. Take Africa, for example. It's full of small countries that will never become a relevant power and yet they have millions of starving niggers who would do anything for food and water.

>>35127740
Niggers don't have the same work ethic as Asians.

>>35127526
arm and train the poo in the loo's enough so that most of China's forces are pre-occupied with them. Meanwhile create a functional NATO clone in Asia-Pacific with a nuclear umbrella (not giving the Jap's or ROK nukes, but similar to what happened with Canada in that we had control over American nukes) and integrated command.

>>35127712
I think you're very wrong. They have a woefully outdated military, and I don't believe they have any aircraft carriers. You're very misinformed.

>>35127779
>"woefully outdated military"
>"I don't believe they have any aircraft carriers"
>calls me misinformed

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>>35127726
Ships get rusty when they spend more than a few days at sea, Chang.

>>35127779
Their military is in the midst of a massive and unprecedented pace of technological advancement that has already surpassed all nations apart from the United States. And seeing how the US is currently struggling greatly with world leadership while China continues to expand their economy and world leadership roles, I would say that it is only a matter of time before they surpass the US as the dominant world power. Possibly as soon 2025 but more realistically 2040.

Also they do have an aircraft carrier and are building another.

>>35127688
>USA/China trade
>Only 4 % of Chinese GDP

A bit late for that.

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>>35127526

Together

>>35127779
>I don't believe they have any aircraft carriers
Liaoling, a modernized soviet era aircraft carrier, and they have two more in the pipeline that will come out 2020 & 2023.

The issue is the disparity between their tech and numbers. They have a wide array of high tech weapons, the issue is the proliferation. As it stands the Mig 21 is still the backbone of the PLAAF. Additionally, they have a division between the provincial level and the state level security forces. The provincial/municipal level is poorly armed and trained despite being part of the PLA, while the state level militia (since the PLA technically isn't an armed forces but the militia of the CCP) are better trained and armed.

>>35127740
>What I don't understand is why the American companies in China just don't move en mass to other third world countries.

"Hello American companies welcome, we here in China have a 1.4 billion strong market for all your goods and growth of consumption is phenomenal. Here is the list of rules you have to obey to enter our market and make $$$, it is ok if you dont like it, we are sure your competition will be more reasonable."

>>35127823
>>35127823
>The issue is the disparity between their tech and numbers.
They spend on the military like European welfare states, 1.3 % of GDP or so.

>>35127740
Infrastructure and stability.
Most African nations don't have the resources, roads, or equipment to build the factories and transport the goods.
They also aren't typically safe enough to operate without being overrun by revolutionaries.

You can't really beat Chinese without glassing them.

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>>35127860
>1.3%
Factually incorrect.

>>35127896
GDP 11.5 trillion
Military budget 150 billion
Equals 1.3 %

Or are you using some "estimate" from a random (((think tank)))?

>>35127918
Are you lost?
>>>/pol/

>>35127918
>>35127896
Chinese don't release their entire budget. So the figures might be even higher. Officially they only state that they spend about 1.3%, but China's government is known for not releasing the entire budget of certain ministries as well as not fully disclosing the government's holdings.

>>35127587
He is lighting the cigar backwards

>>35127948
source on claims

https://chinapower.csis.org/military-spending/

>>35127957
You don't tell Curtis LeMay what to do.

>>35127526
Make energy and logistics as cheap and easy as possible, remove as many of the economic advantages of producing in China as is physically possible, ignore EPA objections where necessary to create competing industries, out-innovate, out-spend, and starve the engine of their economy while doing everything possible to help out other nations in the region to remain prosperous without damaging domestic economic strength.

>>35127740
You don't understand because you're a fucking moron.

>>35127526
Fight them

Every time China wages war, it gets its shit pushed in

Every time

>>35127999
You're a retard.

>>35128103
Oh sorry, I must have misread you; I thought you wanted to win, not jerk off about weapons systems.

China's only modern flaw imo are its cultural issues
>a constant need to proliferate territorially
Like murrica
>complete disrespect for life, human and animal
Its like turbo autism with their complete lack of empathy
>poor respect for the environment
Though I've heard they are trying to rectify that

China doesn't need to be beat, it just has to be enlightened

>>35127526
>Send CIA spooks to rile up the Uyghurs
>Send shit loads of weapons and Green Berets
>Watch a ton of muslim chinamen go apeshit on western china while we fight it out in the pacific

>>35127526
Any war between major military powers that doesn't include nukes will look similar to desert storm. One side gains air superiority then bombs the fuck out of the other before ground forces move in to clean the shattered remains

>>35127999
Thank you for your service. Please, take this coupon for 3 free gallons of gasoline
-Exxon-Mobile

blockade, freeze their finances outside their own nation, cruise missile spam power and fuel infrastructure.

>>35128604
>fossil fuels
We need to be nuclear and actually achieve "too cheap to meter."

>>35128623
>cruise missile spam power and fuel infrastructure
We wouldn't really even need to do too much of that. The US, alone, is already producing over twice as much oil as China, and the only nation that out-paces us is (you guessed it) our good fundamentalist buddies on the Arabian Peninsula.

Tanks and jets don't run on coal or processed uranium, at least not outside of a few Nazi and maybe Soviet experiments. The only real benafit of these is for the PLAN, and odds are they would suffer worst in the event of a war with the US (also in the event of a blockade).

In other words, there may be a few strikes on enrichment and processing facilities, but I doubt we'd need to waste munitions on mines and inland drilling fields.

>>35128711
>Implying the oil industry will ever let this happen

>>35128713
rail bridges and rail yards.

China burns as much coal as the rest of the world put together. They use half of their rail capacity to move coal around the country.

We need to cripple their ability to keep the lights on and move food into the cities. This is the only way we can affect a political change with out forcing it through occupation. We need to Chinks to be hunger, cold, and in the dark.

>>35128718
It was always going to be in spite of them.

>>35128747
>We need to Chinks to be hunger, cold, and in the dark.
Thats their SOP though. Like Russians, they're still not first world enough for most of their population losing those comforts in the short term to change.

>>35127819
>Together
This desu. Any war with china is going to basically be WW3 due to all the participants. At a minimum, I assume:
BLUFOR:
>US
>Japan
>Worst Korea
>Flips
>Aussieland
>Taiwan
Maybe invited:
>India (excuse to get rid of Chinese aid to Pakistan, probably also fighting the Pakis themselves)
>Vietnam (they fucking hate China)
REDFOR:
>China
Maybe invited:
>Pakistan (to fight the poos)

Also starring:
>Europe, in the role of delusion regarding relevance
>Russia, trying to reemerge as a global power
>Israel, presumably selling weapons to both sides

Chinese miliary is worthless. It's not in their nature to confront directly, Chinese government will alwayd avoid, negotiate or subvert before threatening. Their military could be a tenth the size for the same effect.

Those people who expect the chinese to fly the flag and become world police or even challenge americans for the top military spot are fucking delusional. That type of behavior just doesn't jive with their culture, their foreign policies are business transactions.

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>>35127526
Just wait, the coal reserves China has will run out in 15-20 years and around that time China will fall into a lost decade that Japan also had. After China exits its lost decade (or two lost decades that Japan had) their population will have aged so much that there will proportionally be too few young men to fight a major conflict with a super power like the US, they can still pose a serious threat to small nations.

>>35127740
Coal is the reason. Hardly any African nation have any coal reserves (outside of South Africa) so you can't set up industrial production there. China (had) one of the world's largest coal reserves when American factories started setting up shop there.

>>35127526
>how to beat China
stop selling them our country

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Force Germany to spend 50%GDP to military for 10years
Germany solve the problems for Lebensraum

>>35128922
Except China is transitioning out of coal as fast as possible, this won't be a handicap for them in about a decade.

Basically the window to stop China from taking over the leading world role is just about closed, it is too late to prevent it.

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>>35127674
>JMSDF still uses the full Rising Sun flag

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>>35127819
>tfw canada doesn't get to come and remove commie

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>>35128975

>Canada is the commie.

>>35128975
Maybe if they had a navy they'd get invited.

>>35128890
Forgot Best Korea in REDFOR

>>35127526
Blow up the Three Gorges Dam. Don't need to shoot a single man.

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>>35127526
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords as long as they supply us with constant supply of pussy

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>>35128999
We'll never have a navy anon.
>current shipbuilding contract is for coastal defense ships
>first is barely 60%
>keel laid on second
>SSCS project hasn't even got a design
>renting converted oil tanker as a """resupply""" vessel
>no more destroyers
>frigates barely functional
>subs spending more time in drydock than at sea
It's a bad time to join as a mariner

>>35129033
hallo Donald

>>35128890
What about Hong Kong and Macau?

>>35128890
You forgot Iran and Saudi Arabia.

>>35129067
You are very dumb.

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>>35128943
While they are putting more emphasis on renewable energy sources (wind, solar and hydro) China is still expanding the amount of coal plants that they are operating.

>>35128890
>>Israel, presumably selling weapons to both sides
Why would America buy back the weapons, at an insane high markup, it gave to best allie? Well, it would raise GDP

>>35128372

These idiots on /k/ are a bunch of schematic rerading mouth breathers who memorize every ability of a weapon system but are afraid to talk to a girl. They think Ace combat is accurate aerial warfare. You are talking to amoebas, anon, they can't comprehend logical posts, only shitposts. /k/ is retards, and this is a comedy section of 4chan.

>>35127815
You clearly don't understand macroeconomics. Trade with a country means indirect job creation and economic development. For example, China exports billions of dollars of electronics to the United States, yearly. But what the numbers won't tell you is that for every one of the millions of Chinese electronics factories there is a wage and each one of those wages is spent buying things that range from food to anime mugs. And its those wages that support those businesses. If all US/China trade were suddenly interrupted, it wouldn't just be 4% of the Chinese GDP that could vanish.

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>>35129053
Wrong, I'm Peter. Now gib chink puss

>>35129098
I think he meant that Israel would sell weapons to Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Pakistan and India. Not the US specifically.

>>35127526

1. Stop buying their shit.

2. Wait for ensuing mass unemployment to cause revolution.

>>35129097
You know how China has Ghost Cities and a super huge housing bubble? Same thing with solar. I think it was France or some other EU country that placed an order, €100 million or so, for some panels. The chinese company was more or less full of shit and could never deliver. The Government had to bail them out. Didnt help that the company was part owned by the party.

>>35128747
>Hungry, cold and in the dark
Historically that just makes a population fight harder. 9/10 times patriotism and dedication increase when a foreign nation makes your life worse.

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>>35129110
OK Mr. Peter
gibe Pusay to you
Be nice to pusay
wat u duin with that gun,peter?

>>35129078
I don't see them as part of the US-China showdown, more a side act.
>>35129114
Yep.
Though the US might buy the rights to Trophy if they haven't gotten their ass in gear regarding APS in time, and maybe Iron Dome for defending bases against saturation attacks.

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>>35129266
>wat u duin with that gun,peter?
Trying to kill myself, evidently.

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>>35129671
no doin this Peter
Ling cleanad that floor fresh!

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Would India help in a war against China or would they be too preoccupied with Pakistan?

>>35129754
By 2018 India will have two active carriers.
By 2025 it will have three.
Maybe they could split, one carrier takes care of Pakistan and the other they could send to the South China Sea.
Pakistan's navy is pretty weak, in the event of a WW3 with India fighting China and Pakistan I think most of India's Navy would be sent to SCS.

>>35129754
China has several naval bases in Pakistan and the Indian ocean. The Indian navy will probably be busy near home and not deployed to the SCS, but will still keep the Chinese and Pakis fairly busy. Even if they don't actively participate in the war their presence will tie down Chinese assets (including ground forces on the border) which would otherwise be useful to counter the Americans.

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>>35129822
Forgot pic

>>35129754
I think India would rather have the US and China destroy each other rather than getting involved itself.

While most would probably claim that India would rather join the US than China India does have cooperation with China in the form of BRICS so you never know.

>>35129833
What are the green dots?

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The amerifat navy is a joke. All they can do this days is crash into civilian ships. US sailors could never hope to take on the Grand Dragon that is China.

>>35129858
I disagree, as the US shrekking China is the best chance they have of accomplishing their long term strategic goals of getting the Chinese and Chinese-backed Pakis to fuck off. I doubt they'd let such an opportunity pass, plus if they take part in the alliance they get all the benefits of being on the winning team (dictating peace terms, border changes (muh kashmir), American postwar aid, becoming a *relevant* shithole and so forth)

>>35129872
Piracy attacks IIRC.

>>35129887
>The East India Company is a joke. All they can do this days is sell opium. British sailors could never hope to take on the Grand Dragon that is China.

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China?
Give my 1month!

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CHINAAAAA

>>35130296
It really is amazing how powerful they have become. I mean, you look at China, and you immediately know they are a superpower. Nothing is skimped on, nothing left to half measures. An entire country with one mind and one purpose, wealthy beyond measure and the power to do what they will.

If you look at the US all you see is poverty and rusted ships, soon enough it will be universally acknowledged that China is the leading power.

>>35130523
>>35130296
China has always been the protagonist of humanity. The epitome of human history, culture and achievement. Western barbarians might have pillaged China for a century or two, but for five millennia has China been the world's superpower. It is only natural that it now returns to its rightful place as the world's hegemon.

>>35130523
>Nothing is skimped on, nothing left to half measures
>If you look at the US all you see is poverty and rusted ships

This has to be satire.

I like China, but their success is mostly memetic. It's gong to take several decades just to consolidate their catch-up across the population.

>>35130569
>as the world's hegemon.
except it never was. Even at its height it never sought to conquer or colonize to the extent that the Europeans did. The height of China's conquests were under the Qing dynasty and since then China has mostly worked to maintain or recapture the area that Shunzhi captured. And even when they did recapture everything they never ventured outside of China's borders for extended periods of time (the one flotilla is barely a case since they did fuck all with it).

>>35129097
They are also building around 20 new nuke plants.

>>35130671
>>35130705
Are you new here? IN every China thread there is always one poster speaking gushingly about China in an obviously over-the-top way. Don't take it seriously

>>35130569
This is a joke right? You clearly have no understanding of east asian history.

>>35130715
i know, I just like pointing out that China never expanded since 1636 for everyone to know

>>35127526
Wtf did they do to that sovromeny :,(
Looks terrible in that paint
I wanna into war with China simply for desecrating such a beautiful warship

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Pork their women, in every sense of the word.

If that doesn't work, just stop trading with them. "If you're a million dollars in debt, the bank owns you. If you're a trillion dollars in debt, you own the bank."

>>35128890
Blue force will lose as Israel has sold our tech to the chinks
Has happened before
Will happen again

>>35129019
DC and Guam get cruise missiled. Escalate from there.

This isn't fucking 1991.

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>>35130982
>Pork their women, in every sense of the word.
Top tie Han women are rare as fuck. But definitely, their sexual primes should belond to white men.

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The MSS is monitoring this thread for anything that criticizes the CCP. Don't post anything out of line or else we will get you.

>>35127526
Ram all of their cargo ships.
Somehow ram their cities with destroyers
Then blame them for getting in the way.

>>35127726
That happens to all seafaring vessels that are constructed from metal and spend a good amount of time at sea. It's no problem at all and gets cleaned every time they harbour.

>>35127526
crashing their toy exporting economy

>>35127526
Cargo ships, they can easily take down american destroyers, they'll have no trouble fighting Chinese destroyers.

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>>35127526
Trigger a civil war. The same way you have always beat China.

>>35130982
China would sell their dollar reserves and federal bonds for pennies on the dollar. Which would crash our credit rating and value of the dollar.

>>35132041
>China would sell their dollar reserves and federal bonds for pennies on the dollar. Which would crash our credit rating and value of the dollar.
All it does is cause China to lose a massive amount of money.
It does nothing at all to hurt the US economy. This is only one step above the stupidity that 'China can call in the debt'.

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Obummer seriously fucked up by not contesting the legitimacy of the SCS claims in any serious manner.

>>35128890
>Flips
Sorry, the despot in charge is balls deep in Beijing's pocket

>>35132173
This, we might end up fighting with the chinks.

>>35131914
Wait, you think China has any platform that can get a missile to DC?

>>35128890
Would Russia side with BLUFOR or REDFOR?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-12/chinese-billionaire-warns-america-china-has-over-20000-spies-who-are-ready-destroy-u
The US is so fucked.

>>35132041
>China would sell their dollar reserves and federal bonds for pennies on the dollar.
That would fuck china

>Which would crash our credit rating and value of the dollar.

Nope because the bonds would still be honored to the holder. It would do litterally nothing

>pull all our manufacturing out of china

>wait a few months

>>35132125
>building underground
>on a tidal reef

Serious doubts, or it's only like 7 feet down max, and built like a sub.

>>35132375
>zerohedge

Kek

>>35127648
The problem isn't that it's a naval base, the issue is that they're claiming international waters as rightful Chinese clay. That shit don't fly.

>Massive EMP strikes across the country
>Severely effects their ability to coordinate their state level forces
>Conventional bombardment of coastal cities
>Ground fighting against poorly trained local militias mixed with state level forces
>All while black ops seize info about locations of nuclear sites to be neutralized

That's the best I have so far.

>>35132434
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinas-spy-network-united-states-includes-25000-intelligence-officers/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/828048/donald-trump-Guo-Wengui-spy-china-president-xi-usa-espionage-new-york-deadly
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/21/chinese-billionaire-guo-wengui-accused-by-former-spy-chief-in-video
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/asia/china-guo-wengui.html?mcubz=0

>>35132470
>only one article is relevant to the claim of a gorllion spys
>its free beacon

Work harder Chang, you wont earn your half doller this easy.

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America is destroying itself from within.

>>35127526
Increase domestic production and increase chinese import tariffs. Stop exporting them food.

>>35132485
If you want to believe that there aren't at least a few thousand spies among the millions of Chinks that have been immigrating to the US over the last decade, that's ok. Just don't act surprised when you sleep with a Chinese girl and wake up in an interrogation room.

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>>35132125

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>>35132516

>>35132125
>>35132516
>>35132523
And then we bombed it.

>>35132530
lol no

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AmeriKKKa STILL can't make their own APS system.

>>35132533
In the event of a conflict followed by escalation, yes, those are the first targets.

>>35132509
>few thousand turncoats and agents
Ok

>over ten thousand agents
Haha

But please chang, post daily mail next

>>35132545
I suppose that the US would attempt to bomb them, but to think they actually could carry through with it now that the facilities are at readiness state is fool hardy.

>>35132554
You are retarded.

>>35132551
I'm glad we can agree there are at least a few thousands.
How many people did it take to assassinate the last president?

>>35132540
We have had an APS since the 90s.

>>35132559
You are in denial, but that is fine by me.

>>35132357
Besides ballistic? Oh yeah. Just launch it from a sub.

>>35132563
>Chang thinks that assassinating the president will do anything but anger the American public

Kek

>>35132568
Nothing can stop 100 tomahawks. Not even memeing. The ready SAM missiles plus SHORAD will simply get overwhelmed.

>>35132397
>Nope because the bonds would still be honored to the holder. It would do litterally nothing
not how it works.

>>35132406
>pull all our manufacturing out of china
who's going to pay for it? And do you really think US FDI is actually essential to Chinese survival?

>>35132448
so the best you have is bullshit.

>>35132579
It's not just the President. It's the entire presidential line of succession, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, of the FBI, of the NSA, some generals, as well as destroying your own infrastructure from within.

It's hilarious day /k/are children just completely ignore how much a single sleeper agent can do.

I like the school shooter example.

One, mentally unstable, untrained, teen ager with a semi automatic rifle can kill dozens in a rampage in a school or a movie theater.

How many Congressmen would be left alive if 10 MSS sneaked into the Capitol Building armed to the teeth?

>>35128589
And no one ever hears of uygurs again

>>35132470
Good lord, you really don't know anything about intelligence operations do you?

>>35132590
Wow now this is something else.

>>35127526

Just let Islam subvert them, it worked in the west.

>>35132604
Except for China is an increasingly Christian nation.
By 2025 it's projected to have more Christians than America and Mexico. Combined.

>>35132592
>not how it works.
That's litterally how it works. There is no other way for it to work. Otherwise the US could collude with a state to sell its bonds that it does not have to repay. Please learn how bonds work. You can't just say "pay now" they have a date of payment and that's it.

>>35132509
>>35132593
There also are Hezbollah and Hamas cells in the US. They have mostly pouring over the border during the Obama years.

>>35132593
>pretending like it's easy to litterally kill every last senate and congressional member.

That's not even half the line of succession either. Keep trying Chang, nobody is buying your fanfiction

>>35132614
*poured

>>35129777
Hahahahahahahaha
Kill yourself poo

>>35132610
you're a fucking retard.

Please look up the secondary fixed income market and dollar denominated assets.

>>35132579
>assassinating the president will do anything but anger the American public
I'm pretty sure that a lot of people in the states would be quietly pleased about it.
I wouldn't though, Trump is entertainment.

>>35132626
You are talking specifically about bonds and dollar reserves. The former is litterally pointless and the second is fixed by the treasury almost immediately. The secondary market of bonds does not effect the US dollar you dolt.

>>35132621
add the cabinet members and that's pretty much it.

>>35132641
>The secondary market of bonds does not effect the US dollar you dolt.
HOLY FUCK YOU'RE STUPID.

and please spell LITERALLY correctly next time. It's really grinding on me.

>>35127526
Engaging them now or in the future? Burgers have it in the bag until mid century. After that it's anyone's guess. They plan to completely overhaul their doctrine, COC, achieving self-dependency and an inward developed economy in 30 years. 2050 is their benchmark.

>>35132621
In a Session, yes. Have you ever been to Washington? Security is so low. It's significant around the president, but unless most of the SS crew hides under the WH's lawn, it could be easily overwhelmed by a platoon of gorillas. There's a stupid movie with an interesting concept called Olympus Has Fallen. You should watch it.

Regardless my point still stands. Millions of Chinese immigrants have gotten to America and among these students, engineers, software developers, doctors etc, many have bad intentions. It took one mentally retarded idiot to kill JFK. Thousands of sleeper agents can wreck the US cyber infrastructure, kill the entire presidential line of succession, set fire to every Federal Building in the mainland and there would still be thousands of other uncompromised agents.

You can make fun of me, call me a shill or whatever. But I'm just parroting what every expert on this field has to say.

>>35132486
Why is it that In 30 years since tianan men square, America is closer to civil war than china

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>>35132694

I can think of one reason.

How big a nuclear warhead would be needed to create a tsunami that would wipe out China's island bases?

>>35132593
There's much more productive things 20,000 sleeper agents could do than go after then most guarded targets in the country.
Hell, just by burning the corn and wheat fields before harvest would fuck up half the country

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>>35127526
Have State dept remove China's "most favored trading nation status". Add 150% import tarrif. Have Treasury redeem all treasury securities that China begins dumping on the open market. Have Fed buy all need treasury issues until dust settles.

Not a shot fired. Your welcome.

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Who would win?

All the NATO navies together (without the US) vs the Russian Navy and PLAN?

>>35132656
Great argument there. You going to counter it or keep on being full retard.

If you sell a bond for less than its worth, it has ZERO (0) effect on the issuer. At all.

>>35132674
>In a Session, yes.
>implying they even all show up
>litterally mentioning asinine Hollywood drivel
>then states your point still stands

A lot of words Chang, with no substance.

Work harder. That fiddy cents ain't this easy

>>35132733
>Have Treasury redeem all treasury securities that China begins dumping on the open market. Have Fed buy all need treasury issues until dust settles.
literally retarded.

>>35132748
>If you sell a bond for less than its worth, it has ZERO (0) effect on the issuer. At all.
ok fuckface, it seems you don't understand what dollar denominated asset really means.

Honestly, do you even know how a bond is priced on the secondary market?

>>35132728
I didn't imply that all how many thousand spies are watching President Orangehead's every move. They're scattered across the country and they all have individual passive, active and final assignments. There are communication channels for local cells, regional cells and, rarely used but still probably existent, all cells. And yes, destroying food production is most certainly one of the things they will do. Other activities include turning nuclear plants into bombs, destroying a dam to flood a whole city, hijacking military vehicles and destroying landmarks as acts of terror, etc. If you want to begin to imagine the scope of the security threat Chinese sleeper agents pose to America, just use your creativity and try to imagine one hundred different things you'd do if you were a highly trained terrorist with access to the entire arsenal and budget of the PRC.

>>35127648
>South CHINA sea
>See? It's got our name on it, it's all ours!

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What should we be worried about?

They have less then 20 J-20s in service the rest of their air assets are woefully outdated.

In fact every part of the Chinese military is smaller and far less effective then what the US can muster in a short time.

>>35132785
>woefully outdated.
big words from a little mind. Don't fucking talk about shit you don't know, son.

>>35132776
>>35127648
You're retarded. The 9 dash line isn't meant to be taken as a joke. For hundreds of years the South China Sea has been considered a part of China by China and only recently has the Western world taken an interest on it.

Try to think of it this way. You are a kid and you have a toy. You have had this toy since you were young, it's yours, nobody else's, and you just love it. One day, another kid, a bully who insulted you and beat you when you were younger, points at your beloved toy and says: "that's not yours, hand it over!". Try to imagine yourself in this situation.

You are China, the SCS is your toy and the bully is the Western world.

>>35132768
>ok fuckface, it seems you don't understand what dollar denominated asset really means.
>burr I'm going to pretend im mad to hide the fact that I'm wrong.

The bond gets paid out at the same time in the same amount if it's holder is named Chang or brown, you retard.

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We don't.
Just accept the world's original superpower is back in town.

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>China thinks they are a threat.
>Can't even make good uniforms.

Top Kek.

>>35132796
The 9 dash line is 100% a joke.

The sandbox has been shared by everyone for the last 200 years. Only now is China claiming all of it.

>>35132822
Unlike Western ones, China's military is meant for fighting not for parades.

>>35132822
>Green
Army
>White
Navy
>Blue
Air Force
>Yellow
????

>>35132834
That's a joke considering actual faux white wall fucking tires.

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lul all China did in ten years of upgrades is slap on more ERA.

>>35132850
Those are completely different vehicles.

>>35132090
China actually already burned though its foreign reserves to prop up its economy during the last crisis a year (or is it two now?) ago. It takes a good long while to build it back up.

The bond thing is a meme, a complete non issue.

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>>35132806
>The bond gets paid out at the same time in the same amount if it's holder is named Chang or brown, you retard.
ok, so clearly you've never had an education on how a FIXED INCOME asset is priced on the secondary market.

Can you tell me the relationship between coupon rate 2nd market price? What determines secondary market price? In fact, do you even understand the CONCEPT fixed income arbitrage?

I think you're out of your depth here. Let me recommend two books.

Pic related.

The fixed income market is significantly larger than the equities market, yet the barrier of entry for a retail investor is higher because the underlying fundamentals are more rigid and mathematical. If you think the coupon rate is all there is to a bond, either start learning or stop talking. I say this without any pretense.

>>35128958
It's the Japanese Navy flag, in fact it's always been that. There is just a misconception that it was Imperial Japan's national flag as well.

>>35132952
The secondary market is separate from the primary bond market you idiot. The primary market is the issue, and China offloading its bonds has zero effect on it.
I say again, the bond gets paid to the holder, at the same price, at the same time. It does not matter if the bond was resold zero times or one million.

>>35127526

design a new brand of war machines intentionally wrong, let them copy it

>>35132952
You are conflating two different issues. The claim was that China was capable of crashing the US dollar and/or bond prices. It cannot with just its (now megre) foreign reserves and owned bonds.

China can affect the secondary market, but that means nothing to the US beyond its stock market of which it holds an insignificant share of the totality of the market.

In short, the bond is worth the same to the US government regardless, but the bond is of variable worth to the holder. Two different, separate worths. There is no way to change the worth of the bond to the issuer.

>>35132614
go to sleep flynn

>>35132966
>The primary market is the issue
so secondary market has no effect on dollar exchange rate? Dollar depreciation has no effect on effective interest rate? Effective interest rate has no effect on primary broker auction rate?

You realize the primary market and the secondary market are linked, right? I keep asking you if you had any idea how secondary market's discount price is calculated but you clearly have no fucking clue.

How many digits does your IQ have?

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>>35132593
this months check is going to be fat.

>>35127526
In 14th century Malay pirates raided Chinese coast. China, had enormous army and navy easily able to defeat them but you know what they did?

Ordered peasants to move several dozens of kilometers inland so the pirates wouldn't raid them anymore. That's just one of hundreds showcases of Chinese mentality, they are cowards unable to fight anybody.

Do you really believe those people are any kind of danger to any civilized country that may have to fight them?

>>35132998
>now megre
no.
http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

>There is no way to change the worth of the bond to the issuer.
what is discounted cash flow? Why did German inflate its currency to decrease its debt obligations?

The only one conflating anything here is you and the only thing being conflated is your supposed competence in fixed income.

>>35127712

a conventional war, if it occurred right now, between the US and china, would last 72 hours before it became clear that china could not win, and their options were to fight as rebels or to capitulate or both.

the scary thing is that even if china and russia teamed up, the same conclusion for both of them would be reached within a week.

>>35133006
>so secondary market has no effect on dollar exchange rate?
Bonds are paid in USD, cone the fuck on brainlet.
>Dollar depreciation has no effect on effective interest rate?
Of already sold bonds? No.
>Effective interest rate has no effect on primary broker auction rate?
Of already sold bonds? No.

Again, the bond is paid in the same amount at the same time no matter who owns it

>>35133016
If China is a nation of cowards how do you explain what happened in Bhutan

>>35132834

Then why does China's military history consist of them losing against any opponent that isn't a poorly trained and armed peasant revolt?

>>35133016
Pretty smart I'd say, moves farming into a more secure region in general.

>>35133016
>>35133044
Wow
It's almost as if China was a peaceful nation that ever only goes to war when provoked

>>35133044
How many times in History has China had nuclear weapons?

>>35133030
Those are bonds and T-bills, not hard currency.

>Why did German inflate its currency to decrease its debt obligations?
More to debt than just bonds. Two entirely different markets.

There is no (legal, realistic, non drastic) way to change a sold bonds price, and it can never be done by the buyer.

>>35132470
>>35132509
>It's actually China, not (((them))) for once, that are actually behind AMWF shilling
>Continue to export their women in bulk, secretly indoctrinated as sleeper agents
>Goal is to make AMWF a significant demographic of America
>When the time is right chink immigrant sleeper agents wives are activated across the US, immediately neutralizing their spouses and any cover children spawned with them. In one fell swoop China eradicates a significant chunk of America's fighting force, work force, and future; as a result, the US is permanently hobbled on the world stage.
Not only genius, but plausible. China doesn't have a top tier military but their intelligence and sabotage outlets are pros at the long game.

>>35133036
yes, and they're purchased in dollars. Like I said before, DOLLAR DENOMINATED ASSETS.
>Of already sold bonds? No.
you're retarded. What is EFFECTIVE RETURN?
>Of already sold bonds? No.
you're retarded again.

It's very evident you're a fucking moron who can't grasp simple concepts. Go read a fucking book or shut the fuck up.

>>35133067
*WMAF shilling

>>35133066
Bro, you're literally saying fixed yields protect against inflation, which is like saying 1 = 0.

Can you just, you know, step the fuck back and think for a moment what happens to the USD exchange rate when dollar denominated assets are being sold in bulk?

This shit should have been covered in HIGH SCHOOL.

>>35133068
>EFFECTIVE RETURN?
Irrelevant to the issuer of the sold bonds, irrelevant to the price and date of closing.

>they're purchased in dollars
That would effect futures market, which is an entirely separate subject. We are talking about bought and sold owned bonds by China.

>not even an attempt at a response to the third point.

Keep on getting mad, your still wrong

>>35133056
China isn't peaceful nation, it's cowardly dog eats dog nation. Every time they break up into pieces, which happens every few centuries and millions of people die in civil wars that follow. They have very little qualities that contribute to effective war machine - they don't and can't trust their fellow people(permanent low-trust society), they are extremely scared of physical confrontation - in many of those civil wars they've fought stalemate was caused by the fact that the only people who fought in battles were skirmishers, the main body of both armies just maneuvered in front of each other and at some point decided to go home. They rarely pursued defeated enemy. Their cultural and martial traditions simply make them eternal paper tiger.

>>35133086
you're dumb.

>>35128623
All good options, but you forgot to integrate the most damaging things that can be done internally to China. Drop their dams, all of them. Drop all major bridges especially the rail bridges see>>35128747. The objective is to isolate the provinces and cities from one another. this not only cripples the economy, but also cripples the govenments ability to enforce their will accross their own country. Then target water treatment infrastructure of the central communist party provinces. Make them drink their putrid water, hell this alone will probably kill 50 million given how polluted their water is, at the same time it will show it bright bold letters, how the communist party has failed them, weakening the communists parties grasp in their home territory.

Also remove their censors control of the internet. Their response will probably be to shut down the internet, thus further isolating the provinces and cities from one another. At this point take advantage of their massive corruption and buy warlords to fight against the communists. Encourage internal revolt by arming training and organizing Independence campaigns in all the provinces. hong kong, tibet, xinjang, and inner mongolia already have insipid rebellions, we just need to arm organize and train these groups to kill the central government soldiers who will be effectively marooned in these provinces.

While were at it, all the CIA a free hand to slaughter communist party members and their families wholesale. If we make them more afraid of our forces than the communist party death squads, most of these corrupt bastards will defect and turn on their current masters.

TL:DR cut off all inter and intra state trade. then go wild creating rebellions and warlord factions to destabilize the communist parties control of their own country. Let the rebels do the fighting and dying for us, but make sure to keep them well armed!

>>35133084
>saying fixed yields protect against inflation

No, I'm saying that affects the holder of the bond. Not the primary seller. Two different worths.
>think for a moment what happens to...
This does not change the the current bonds fixed worth in a negative way to the US, keeping with the subject. How China "wins" is making the USD strong, which helps the US. crashing the USD helps the current sold bonds.

>>35133096
I see you are out of arguments.

Sold bonds are a done deal. China fucks itself by shorting them. Glad we came to that agreement.

>>35133116
>Not the primary seller.
so the "primary seller" pays an inflation adjusted coupon? We're not talking about TIPS here.
>This does not change the the current bonds fixed worth in a negative way to the US, keeping with the subject

I'm not going to keep arguing this with fucking peasants on 4chan who can't even price out assets on the secondary market.

I'll keep this short: secondary market prices and primary auction prices are linked because they're 1) both beholden to the nominal interest rate and 2) secondary market pricing is supposed to mimic primary auction returns.

When a large pool of dollar denominated assets are dumped, USD falls, effective return falls, secondary market becomes depressed (Problem 1), and that drives UP primary auction yield (Problem 2).

Problem 1 means destruction of asset value and destruction of income flow.
Problem 2 means funding issues for the US government.

If you still don't understand, pick up a book. I'm done here.

>>35133084
You two are talking about different things. Let me try to put it in prospective:

His view is from the US government stand point there is no difference to how many US bonds are for sale on the secondary market, as that doesn't have an effective on how much the government has to pay, and has only a very limited affect on the interest rate the US will have to give for the next bond sale. Which is true, as All of China's holdings equal about 1 normal bond sale. (they only have 5% of the total bonds available, whereas us consumers have almost 70%)

You are talking about the effects on the after market bond value and long range effects. You are indeed right, China dumping their bonds onto the open market will indeed have an affect on the USD exchange rate; however, always be careful as the more steps the process goes through, the less affect it has. A 5% change in bonds available on the market is not going to cause the USD to massive spike up or down, but it will produce a clear and noticeable effect. I highly doubt it will be disastrous on the whole except for those traders who have gone super long into bonds. The rest of us, will do the same thing that happens every time wall street jockeys get burned: laugh and go back to buying a monkey with a dartboard to manage our funds.

>>35131020
No comment.
>>35132173
Is he? Did I fall for the /pol/ meme that he's based?
Well shit. In that case they'd have ro choose between joining the Chink side and eventually use the "it was just a prank bro" excuse when the US gets angry or a rapid about-face.
>>35132369
I expect them to remain neutral until both sides are weakened before making their move. Which may be against China, but will more likely be against eastern Europe while the US is busy. The Russian pacific fleet would be another deterrent to US intervention in said Euro war, particularly if heavy naval losses are taken wiping out the PLAN.
If the US is clearly shrekking the Chins then action against Europe is unlikely and they may join in the fun for GBP and chunks of northern China but I consider it unlikely.
But this is all my opinion.

>>35133120
learn to read. And since reading comprehension clearly isn't your forte, let me reiterate my previous statement that you're a fucking retard.

For a more thorough explanation on why you're a fucking retard, see >>35133170

>>35132563
The last president wasn't assassinated.

>>35133182
>Is he? Did I fall for the /pol/ meme that he's based?
Duterte got angry at Obongo going full "dem cracka sellers dindu nothin" and steered towards China/Russia on some aspects. Ever since Trump won the elections his anti-American rhetoric stopped(aside from "we don't want American bases here", but neither does Trump so for all we know it might be a game).

>>35133170
>Problem 1 means destruction of asset value and destruction of income flow.
Temporarily. As with all markets the value of the assets will recover given time, and worst case scenario, instead of reselling the bonds, they keep them until the USgov pays up. Will there be some panic? yeah. Will it crush the US economy? lol, you must be super long into bonds if you think that.

>Problem 2 means funding issues for the US government.
In the future. This is a delayed pain as even with the higher yield on the new bond sale, we don't have to pay that immediately. It will mean pain 30 years from the start of war with China, but if you want to crush an economy hurting it 30 years hence is not the way to go.

These problems may look bad to the "value" of the US economy, but they have very little impact on actual GDP and output. Look at the 2000 crash. Massive loses in the market, but GDP and output only took slight hits.

You must be a quant or hedge fund guy, because you seem to think that the bond market is an absolute lynchpin to the US economy. (Spoiler alert, its not, and we didn't have one for centuries and it worked just fine) When it starts under performing we will just shift our assests away from them to other sources of revenue generation.

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I'll handle China.

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>>35132540
>what is a Javelin, Hellfire, TOW, or any other vertical-terminal approach ATGM

>>35133206
>"we don't want American bases here"
Makes perfect sense before a war, would prevent them getting a preemptive strike. Once the war is on and the Pacific becomes a battleground I'm pretty sure they'd prefer a US base to Chinese control.

>>35133237
>TOW
Not even the top-attack TOWs have that sort of angle, they have downwards-firing EFPs. The rest are OK.

>>35133170
>UR A PEASANT
OK, let's see your logic.

>I'll keep this short: secondary market prices and primary auction prices are linked

Current secondary prices have no affect on sold bonds primary price, which is the entire issue.

The secondary market is thus, unlinked from current sold bonds payout. All you will effect is futures, which is the entire point.

If you want to argue futures, we can. But that's not the original point. As I have stated you are conflating two different issues.

>>35133226
who are they surrendering to?

>>35133238
From what /pol/ says the bases are used by CIA to move drugs into Philippines also remember that Chinese can't fight, so the fear of Chink invasion is literally retarded.

>>35133249
>fear of Chink invasion
You have a point.
I still think they'd rather not antagonize the US in full war mode, but they might pull a Switzerland and remain neutral.

>>35133223
>>35133180
You are also forgetting that selling all their bonds at a loss will fuck china out of income, to have a minor effect on the USD cost which will only help the US when it repays their short term Tnotes.

>>35133249
That's a joke because the majority of flip drugs are Chinese.

>>35133248
emus

>>35133265
Worse, it might not be seen as a form of economic warfare, it might be seen as a desperation move. Which would have investors fleeing like no other.

>>35128938
only good answer in this thread

>>35132839
>Yellow
Latrines, anon. Latrines.

>>35127526
radiate the water that the three gorges dam is holding, then destroy the dam

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>>35132554
Wouldn't be that hard

Soak it in TLAMs and JASSMs and it'll look like pic related

Trust me we have enough of them to do that

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You can't , not with that narrow mindedness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare

this was in 1999 aswell, burgers are too focused at narrow minded military victories, often causing them to lose the wider picture of geopolitical control.

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>>35133541
trump for example is the living embodiment of this political hubris, he has single handedly given a good chunk of asia ( with the cancellation of the TPP and making a clear "america first" policy towards them, meaning it will be a one sum game when negotiating policies with america in asia ) , a immense chunk of south america ( with his quotes on immigration, how south america is ripping off the USA ) , perhaps the entirety of africa ( africa takes no account in the current US government agenda, there is literally no plan to even confront the growing chinese influence and buildup there ) and almost the entirety of the middle east ( US troops not achieving much, while china supplies infrastructure and investments under the costly spending of the US military in the region ) , and as we speak china is already making inroads in the soft underbelly of the EU ( particularly economic outliers like greece, spain , portugal and political outliers like hungary, poland and other EE nations )

yall burgers dun fucked up big time, after trump there may be no recovering from this

>>35133561
>>35133541
You do realize that book was talking about China in a roundabout way. The authors could not be blunt due to the political realities of China at the time (hell, now).

Hence why they gave many viable means of defense. Sure, it has implications for the US, but was not the actual subject of the book.

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>>35133566
they at least recognize their own vulnerabilities, and have the effective apparatus to eliminate them

meanwhile a hundred facebook pages churning out divisive propaganda or conspiracies can be cheaply funded by the russians and not much can be done about those without severe backlash in the USA

this future form of warfare will require a populace cohesiveness , or cooperation at the very least , that has not been seen before in history

>>35133579
Even recently the US has shown absolute cohesiveness in the face of war, it just takes a trigger.

Psyops has always been a thing, and pretending the US is not able to counter with its own is folly. They can and have fermented revolutions.

Assuming pure incompetence from the US and pure ability from its adversaries just plays in to the US hands.

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>>35133615
in the face of physical, goal oriented war, but it has shown increasing in cohesiveness in a lack of a solid war, like right now

their recent fermented revolutions are failures, the nations that have went through them are not exactly warm to the idea of siding with the USA anytime soon, and the situation is so unstable that there is no war to profitably extract resource from the area.

As a matter of fact, these revolutions actually worsened they korea situation, convincing kim to create a nuclear arsenal, so theres that aswell.

>>35132607
Yes, and they'll still be an ineffective, irrelevant minority.

>>35133623
no way to*

>>35132674
>Regardless my point still stands.

Oh shit... It's him again. Am I the only fag the remembers this?

>>35133623
What a faggot image you got there, EU cuck. You don't belong on /k/ if you think the anti gun ownership EU is good for Britbongistan.

>>35133623
>convincing kim to create a nuclear arsenal
>Implying North Korea hasn't been attempting to develop a nuclear weapon for several years.

>>35132796
>Dat victim complex.
Are you jewish?

>>35133623
>their recent fermented revolutions are failures,
How so? They don't have a new state to prop up? The original states were not pro US at all, now they are crippled and still anti US.

NK has been going after nukes since the late 70s.

>us lack of solidarity in the face of war
Has already been shown, you miss 9/11? That gave us two decades of war.

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>>35127526
>>35132785
>>35128922
>>35133034
>>35127779
Exactly, this is what I'm saying all the time, China can never be real threat to the West, they're soulless insectoid subhuman, all they can't innovate but only copy and steal, while the West have mighty fluid genders lgbt soldiers with trap husbands......I mean "tech superiority", quality, experienced army and progressive diversity, and we're just reviving our great Greco-Roman buttfuck tradition, it'll be just like "Alexander(west) V.S. Persians(east)" scenario. Chinks are no match, so relax my fellow western boipucci lovers.

>>35127797
That's so fucking aesthetic, holy shit

>>35128938
This, you stupid ass Americans

>>35132593
Don't kid yourself, that'll never happen

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>>35133067
>Shitty scifi plotline
Gtfo of here

>>35133847
How it would actually play out

>Chang, you have two options my agent
>in one hand you wage glorious war against the US, return to China and live in squalor and die of lung cancer.
>one the other you can keep living an upper middle class life in the US, breathing clean air and enjoying life.

>>35127526
>How do we defeat China?

Pollution and desertification. In other words just wait

>>35127797
Hermes, not Invincible. Still, that return from the Falklands picture is a true classic.

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you're already defeated.

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>>35134012

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Supply Mongolia with modern weaponry, help them, build sufficient wonders for great general to be born, then let nature take it's course.

>Russia might not like it much.

>>35127674
Those sailors' grandparents would roll over in their graves seeing that. They'd literally be spinning.

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>>35134008
>mythical small Asian penis

That's not a myth, Asian males do have very small penises.

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>>35128890
>Europe in the rome of delusion regarding relevance
Oh god, I can only imagine
>30 years later
>OI, WE WON THA THIRD WORLD WAR
>butthurt bongs and ivans shitposting memes saying that India did most of the heavy lifting

Has Russia's fleet gotten any better over the years?

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>>35130523
>nothing is skimped on
>inb4 ifunny

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plz help small Vietnam. We only want some clay that's near our land. We do not witness as much propaganda in Vietnam because our navy consists of small itty bitty boats. plz help us

>>35127726

It aint gonna RSR itself faggot. Gotta wait till port before you can acid wash that shit off.

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>>35127526
>PLAN
Are they? Those look like American ships, even the numbering is in English.

>>35127712
3 opium sticks have been deposited into your account

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>>35134163
You don't want to sell opium sticks.

You want to go home and kill yourself.

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>>35134064
Don't you think they'd be happy to see their grandchildren not fighting but being allies to each other?

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>>35134237
No.

>"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell."

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>>35134274
What an edgy nigger...

Economics being discussed on /k/. Guns on /pol/.
World turned upside down.
Also RAN is sending its first task group since 1980 (4 frigates, LHD, 2 subs, AOR) to visit everyone in SCS plus India. Oh, they are skipping China and Best Korea. thats called a 'subtle statement'.

>>35132607
Great, so China can befall the fate of all the other promising new Christian nations like Mexico, Brazil, and the Philippines.

Demographics is destiny. by 2030 China will have 30,000,000 perma-virgins due to sex selective abortion that has gone on since the 1980s.
China's govt. is prepping for war to try and burn off some of that excess. Winning isn't the issue, removing the threat of internal disruption is.
The other option is to unblock 4chan and start distributing anime and dragon dildos.

>>35127740
They do to other Asian countries like Thailand. The American trade with China is what is making them grow fast. America could survive without China but not China without America so war would be a last resort. Africa is a shit show China already tried

>>35132770
>turning nuclear plants into bombs
You have no understanding on how either of those two things work

>>35134368
>China's govt. is prepping for war to try and burn off some of that excess

Where does this meme come from? Shitty WW2-channel clones by 95IQ normies?

Modern war costs a lot in machinery, lives not so much. You're not going to simply "burn off" 10 million people unless they're conquering Africa with sticks and stones.

>>35127601
Thank you, shill, for reminding us of the illegal artificial "islands" in international waters.
Do you know how bodies of water are often named?
Indian Ocean- from tje perspective of the mapmakers, India is on the other side
Persian Gulf- Persia is on the other side
South China Sea- China is on the other side

>>35127634
Bullshit

>>35134163
3 kg of weed have been deposited into your progressive account.

STOP WAR ON DRUGS!
SMOKE DOPE!
NO WAR!

>>35134368
>The other option is to unblock 4chan and start distributing anime and dragon dildos.
4chan is never blocked in mainland China, you just have to buy membership to post here. You moron! Although Japs anime are always popular in China.

Watching you gweilos be misinformed and brainwashed by your own medias is really fun most of the time.

>>35127999
This is correct. Give India an economic incentive to side with us. Promise to move manufacturing from China to India in return for a second front and a large land force for occupation after the Chinese surrender.

>>35133648
iraq was a direct conflict : remove saddam

what cam after iraq was a hazy mess, and those two decades further divided the american public on trusting themselves to storm into another war

>>35134803
The main users of exhentai are Chinese for example.

>>35134806
Allying with India isn't really necessary. India is also pretty pro-China over the US (they're in on the whole America evil! third world super powers rise! thing). It would be better to focus on China with the aid of Japan/South Korea. Maybe give the Tibetans and Uygurs guns to fight a rebellion in China while China's main force is fighting the US.

India isn't needed and would be busy fighting Pakistan in any all out conflict that happens on China.

>>35134803
>4chan is never blocked in mainland China

I have personally been blocked from 4chan over the years.

>>35135589
That's your own problem, maybe you did something wrong and got ban, or maybe your IP had been hijacked by some nasty VPN providers. I had similar experience before.

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Historically, Japan has always been allied to the hegemon of its time. China, Portugal, Netherlands, Britain, Germany, and now America.

Seeing how China has been emerging as a world power, how likely or unlikely would it be for Japan to shift from being America's ally to being China's? What would it take for that to happen? I think if Japan and China were allies, it would be better for Japan, because China is closer, has bigger markets for Japanese goods etc.

>>35127526
With economics and supremacy in nuclear weaponry.
t.Russian

>>35127526
with Raid bug spray

>>35135825
No, I check greatfirewallofchina.org

>>35135838
This is pretty much inevitable. Just the current crop of the LDP doesnt want to hear, including Abe, who's personally invested in this business because his father and grandfather were all ultranationalists.

Hatoyama, the DPJ and the previous LDP rulers all wanted to get closer to China.

>>35127526
first you have to learn how to avoid tankers

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>one modified/refurb soviet era carrier
>a meh size surface fleet overall.

what is there to be concerned about /k/? has the 50 cent brigade taken over?

>>35132125
he did try to use taiwan and malaysia for the disputed waters
but he probably realised that he would have a hard time trying to justify how taiwan and malaysia could dispute a water mass 5 times bigger than their own damn country...

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>>35136586
and another one ahead of schedule

>>35132813
babylonians..
greeks
romans
chinese its funny tho the war between the mauryan and the greeks where one of the reasons greece lost their superpower status back then then the second phase of alexander the great came

>>35133044
you mean kinda like vietnam that you kept fighting a way that never ended and you decide to gtfo and call it a victory?
or the whole middle east wars?
kek

>>35136586
they literally modernised their destroyer line in just 5 years
creating one of the biggest aesa ever on a ship
plus 6 more around the ship for better sea skimming coverage
they have 8 jammers around the ship
insane number of VLS
they are building destroyers as fast as their shipyards can provide
>meh sized

>>35136737
m-muh door

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>>35136757
Murrica would be happy if every of their destroyer had the comprehensive VDS and TASS combo ASW suite as the 052C/D series has, which required that door.

>>35130523
>they
You are fooling nobody, Chicom sock puppet.

>>35132554
Keep to your script, commie. There are millions who want your rice bowl.
The rest of us know better. You probably don't believe what you post, anyway.

>>35132796
China hasn't done jack shit in the SCS ever.
China is big. Big does not necessarily mean capable. Big talk has to be backed up, and China can't.
Their culture is what prevents them from being great.

You fuckers can't even defeat Taliban and ISIS

>>35132834
haha
A flood of Chinese pushed the UN back where the line was when the Norks invaded SK.
That's your only success outside China in hundreds of years.
But please, tell us more!

>>35133180
The Chinese poster knows he is wrong. But he cannot deviate from his assigned false "points".

>>35133249
If china could invade anyone across the water, it would be Taiwan.

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First Taiwan, and then, the World.

>>35135838
China will never ally with Japan.
How stupid are you?

>>35137264
Brag about it after you land.

>>35134121
>itty bitty boat
I don't believe it!

>>35136436
>>35137312
Which one is it?

>>35138508
Post 1 is right.

China is pragmatic enough to forgive the Japanese literally everything, if they agree to align themselves with China.
In fact, in the 70s and 80s, Sino-Japanese relationship was very good. So good, in fact, that Japan hoped to have China as an ally against the USSR and that Japan supported China morally when they attacked Vietnam.

>>35138723
The one thing that worries me about WW3 is Japan. It is in the middle of Russia, North Korea, China and America, with geographical and economical benefits to anyone who controls it. I fear Japan will be nuked again in the future.