Gear Queer General /GQ/

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>>35127464
>tfw wearing PC under my raincoat all day

Looting has started in FL, it's not gonna get bad by me until later tonight

A2 lent me his Ferro slickster so I had something to carry my new plates in yesterday, and at the start I wasn't sure I was going to make it all day wearing them, but by the end they had become a part of me. Confirmed comfy. Sorry no pics.

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>>35127475
well lets hope things don't get to rowdy in your area.

>>35127464
After 12hrs of standing in mine I'm generally sore as fuck.

>>35127724
I'd be sore after 12 hours of standing, period

>>35127464
Is dat some 12 rifle mags?

>>35127475
>that belt
Hello JROTC

>>35127464
not. enough. skull patches.

>>35127736
Fair. I'm trying to move some shit to a battle belt. Maybe that will help somewhat. Is the G-Code system not shit?

>tfw my competition belt setup is probably going to be $400
>tfw the holster is $150
Goddamnit I'm already so deep in this there's no turning back. Fucking shotgun shell caddie's are so ridiculous I think I'm going to make my own.

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>>35127475
>living the dream

>>35127724
Did you buy 7.5+ lb plates instead of saving up?

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>>35127464
Who ever recommended that Armour-Wear sale ( I think it was WGWS) Good looks, that shit came in the mail last week and fits great.

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Is this Dutch soldier wearing a Crye combat shirt?

>>35126304
They'll keep your hands warmer than nothing at all, but for no-bullshit cold weather you should probably look into some no-bullshit cold weather gloves, e.g.,
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/gov/us/en/tactical/gloves/mgs-gen3-fleece-gloves/p/2432640014008

>>35128124
No.

Are battle belts better than chest rigs? Seems like every chicom rig to plate carrier is too hot and chafes me like a mother fucker. I'm thinking of just going for a battle belt and a good ruck sack or am I retarded?

>>35128137
>Are battle belts better than chest rigs?
Not in general but it'd be better than your chicom, yeah

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>>35127754
Yeah I used to be in JROTC

>>35127505
Hopefully not, I'm going to Naples tomorrow to help friends/family. It could get dicey down there.

>>35128186
Is that the mayflower Chest rig with swift clips?

>>35128186
whats in the pouch between your knife and handgun?

>>35128134
Then what is it?

>>35128124
No

>>35128177
Fucking faggot. Go kill yourself.

>>35128137
I had a HSGI w/ pistol holster, 2 rifle mags, 2 pistol mags, dump pouch and it was clunky and bouncy. I'd do a competition belt setup (inner & outer velcro setup) and keep the weight to a minimum.

>>35128177
lmao kys nerd

>>35128377
>>35128407
T.kids who were not in varsity athletics calling someone who did both athletics and JROTC a nerd

>>35128439
How does doing sports make you not a nerd?

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>>35128462

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>>35128177

>>35128241
Yeah.

>>35128355
>Iodine Tablets
>Extra Batteries
>Bic Lighter
>Multi-Tool
>Signal Mirror

>>35128537
Do you like it? I have the mayflower APC and wanted to get a chest rig that I could integrate into my Plate carrier if needed.

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>>35127737
I can have 12 in there. I usually keep 6 or less depending on what I want to stuff in the mag pouches.

>>35127820
need. one. more. skull.

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>>35127464
Whomst 3 gun this weekend?

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Trying to unloaded some of my old hoarded stuff

Anyone interested in some practically unused Propper camo sets? I've got urban camo and three color desert, both medium, $50 shipped for the pair, less if you just want one

Also have the desert tiger of unknown make, also for sale, lets say I'll throw it in for $10 more if you buy the three color and urban

>>35128649
>three gun

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Florida Chad posting

>>35128651
Fuck off price gouging jew.

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>>35128699
Specifically on private land for meme prizes

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>>35128649
what division does 6mm caseless fall under these days?

>>35128700
What rail? Really digging it

>>35127464
>all those flaps
kill ys

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>>35128728
Depends on where you are, some say LARPerators and others say Milsimfaggos

>>35128700
You look like a virgin to me

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>>35128755
Impossible

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>>35128739
*opens two flaps to get rope out*

jokes on you kid

>>35128769
How do you like the MR pack?

>>35128737
Mk8 Gisselle

>>35128769
how long until you're winded carrying all that? id wager 4 minutes on a cool day.

>>35128758
Any moron can sit around in gear and yain't got proof that you didn't evacuate.

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My LBT pouches finally shipped. We 5x1 soon bois.

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>>35128781
Love the MR pack to death. Its so fucking stupid comfy.

>>35128785
>not having a rascal to ride around on
its like you're not even prepared

>>35128809
confirmed obese. sad!

>>35128584
Yeah, i mean I cant comment on how it would be on a PC since I just wear it as a chest rig, but so far im pretty happy.

>>35128821
Yeah he's huge, many such cases

>>35128439
t. faggot who thinks he's special while never doing anything hard in his life

>>35128701
Whats a fair price, the stuff is practically brand new and its at half the price it would cost you online not including shipping

>>35128829
Do you want thanked

>>35128186
Nigga you got the exact same setup I've been dreaming up

>>35128186
>>35128826

Does the pack connect to the chest rig? How?

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>>35127504
>, and at the start I wasn't sure I was going to make it all day wearing them, but by the end they had become a part of me. Confirmed comfy.
good to hear

>>35128840
Fucking THANK ME FOR MY SERVICE

LOL @ Op still taking pictures of his gear while the end of world happened...

>>35128868
Thank you for your cervix. Tasted great.

>>35128868
Thank you for doing the deep state's dirty work

>>35128832
No it's not a fair price since it's literally shit tier trash clothes, and equally jewish markups are not an acceptable reference.

>>35128700
are you sure your pants are baggy enough?

>>35128976
t. skinny jean wearing numale

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shoutout to the siberian shamans

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>>35129016

>>35128363
If it's not a combat shirt, it looks like a raid modified bdu

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Posting updated kit

>>35127464
What chest rig?

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>>35127464
>just picked up one of pic related, new with tags for 25 smackers.

How'd I do, guys?

>>35129166
why though

>>35129180
Why not? My other project came in well under budget and I said "fuck it."

>>35129166
You could've gotten a FLC that would've accomplished the same thing for even less.

>>35129166
You managed to find something inferior to a FLC.

>>35128700
You are in no way a Chad, bruh.

>>35127475
>>35128177
Dude you're a fag. Please come to Naples so I can laugh at you. What part of town? Please be North Naples. I'll go to east Naples to see the Haitians and Beaners but rather you be close.

>>35128847
Nah, its separate, but the pack is so light it doesn't make a difference.

>>35129273
I'll be in north Naples tomorrow, see ya there

>>35129238
>>35129246
This. My local surp store carries FLCs with accessories mounted or not for $25 or less. They range from badly used to essentially unused.

>>35129273
Why are naplesfags like this?

Why is he a fag? Every naples faggot I've ever known has been a pretentious faggot

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>>35128700
USF fag here, let's operate together

>>35129364
Woah could you explain your optics setup on your black AR?
I don't get why the rear iron is reversed, forcing the acog to be so far forward, that can;t be comfortable to use

>>35129364
Also a USF fag lol

Wya

>>35129364
>That middle AR.

You're trying to piss people off, aren't you?

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>>35129308
Good shit. I'll look for the larping douche. It's Naples dummy not Mogadishu. Don't forget to scan and assess your sectors bro. Stay safe.
>>35129340
kek

>>35129380
>USF
Now it all makes sense.

>>35129385
10$ says there's widespread looting coming from North Ft Myers and Golden Gate

>>35128177
Aren't you the fag who makes fun of people in the military you faggot?

>>35129428
Do you want thanked too

>>35129398
>widespread looting coming from North Ft Myers and Golden Gate
Be more dramatic. More like a few shops are going to get fucked with by some nigs. It's not going to be the action packed adventure you're low key hoping for. I know it sucks but it just isn't. But hey you finally get to use all that shit so have fun.

>>35129428
Thank you for your cervix

But no that must be another dan

>>35129377
>>35129382
Cheapo fucking irons fell off after range trip and I took off acog , thanks for pointing that out, I kind of just threw them on

>>35129435
People like you should be shot

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>>35129444
You can have your chance tomorrow tough guy.

>>35129448
Wait so you live in Naples

That means,

A. You're in high school
B. You go to FSW
C. You're over 65

Every one of those options is laughable

>>35129456
why else would he be such a smug faggot?

>>35128700
>skinny skelly
>Chad
Lol

>>35129456
>>35129461
>going to UF(hope you didn't misread not shitty USF)
>parents still have property there
>friends still there
>what is driving down before the storm
Where did I say I lived there? You're not too bright.....lrn2readncomprehend, tough guy

>>35129468
your obesity has warped your perception of a normal weight

>>35129489
Honestly, if all that's true, then why are you such a fag?

Who cares if someone wears body armor after a natural disaster?

>>35129509
someone without body armor, ie; a sheep

>>35129509
Not sure why I'd make that shit up. I'm not losing sleep over it, I just think it's funny you're going to Naples of all places kitted up like that. I brought my handgun and a few mags, not saying shit can't go down but all that for Naples just cracking me up. Now Fort Myers, that would make sense.

>>35129439
Riiiiiiight...

>>35129518
Thank god we sheep have brave real men like you to stand by and protect us. Thank you, anon. God bless.

>>35129499
Lmao okay, manlet

>>35129539
I'm not protecting your sorry ass, I'm protecting mine

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>>35129545

>>35129561
Think twice before speaking next time, noplates.

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>>35129570
>noplates
>JUST ORDERED SOME AR500'S
come at me nigger

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>>35129651
This had better be a fucking joke holy shit

>>35129674
I thought it was obvious by the
>JUST ORDERED SOME AR500'S
I'll be more obvious next time

>>35129703
Thanks for the laugh m8

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Replacement for gun belt that got stolen.

Esstac

>>35129820
What are "WTF straps" and why would you want to add them to your pouches?

>>35129925
MALICE clip alternative Esstac sells

I didn't add them. I added belt loops to use on MOLLE backing

>>35128651
I'll give the desert tiger serious consideration for 10 if you post more pics.

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>>35128898
Tanks 4 ur cervical sur

>>35128847
Swift clips.

>>35128186
what pack?

>>35130581
Velocity Systems 24hr pack

>>35128049
Nope. 3.3lb level III+ polyethylene plates. It's the additional shit on my carrier and the fact that I'm the size of a child that gets me.

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>>35131496
>3.3lb plates + standing around all day
>Sore as fuck
Post contents of carrier

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>>35128700
4chan chads are pitiful.

>>35128745
What camo is that combat shirt?

>>35128857
Nice nazi haircut.

>>35131496
What plates?

>>35131902
>Nice nazi haircut.
Yeah, I thought it looked pretty /fa/ too.

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>>35131934
Did you get a carrier yet? Make sure to get one with a drag handle.

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>>35131990
I ended up with that LWPC from eBay.

No drag handle on it.

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>>35132052
Ah yeah. Mine doesn't have any either. I was kinda bummed, but will make due.
Looks good.

>>35129716
What's wrong with ar500. Noplates asking

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Just putting this here

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>>35132111
>tfw no molle belt
>tfw ordered a TYR tactical belt and they'll never fucking ship it
>tfw small waist and no room for shit

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>>35132163
And this lictire is why plate carriers are almost entirely moot.

>>35128804
what holster lad

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>>35132180
I love inexpensive lightweight vests

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>>35132111
>>35132052
They make this thing called a sewing machine, adds fabric to other fabric.
>>35132146
AR500 has a terrible history of recalls, failures to stop, etc. The spallding is another threat that beadliner reduces but doesnt eliminate. There is literally no reason to buy AR500 when you can get a pair of IV ceramics for $200

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>>35132208
I actually bought one recently

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>>35132230
Makes you go hmmmmmm

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>>35132205
6+1 mags
IFAK and three bandages
Two quarts water. Two canteen cups.
Bayonet
Dump pouch (has MRE extras, small smoke grenades and a lighter)
Butt pouch
>woobie
>hatchet
>eno hammock
>MRE
>energy bars
>rope
>fire tinder, starter sticks

May not be high dollar but it works for me. P

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>>35132239
works well on 3 layers of nylon webbing

>>35132208
Well fuck me I bought one of ar500s carrier with plates when they had their sale. A least it was only a little over 100 bucks.

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>>35132163
Looks good honestly.

>>35132179
I actually don't think Tacos have the greatest retention. What is in big pouch? Looks like good first line stuff, but yeah needs molle belt.

>>35132208
>>35132230
>>35132259
Do you think we can add actually capable drag handles to the carrier?

>>35132292
>do we have the technology to sew nylon together
Plate carriers arent forged by magic or some shit

>>35132292
how much retention do you actually need? I cut the retention bungees out of my chest rig because they were annoying and pointless.

The big pouch is a shitty rip-away IFAK.

>>35132312
I'm gonna look a lot closer at it sometime in the near future. Some of us fags have work in the morning.

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>>35132356
>>35132312
I mean I weigh 205lbs right now is all. I don't want a meme drag handle but something that would actually work.

>>35132356
Not him but

>turn upside down pouch with loaded mag
>shake vigorously

Does mag come out? Into the trash

Does mag stay in? G2g

Blue Force Gear 10 speeds, Esstac kywi, ITW fastmag are all g2g in my book

>>35132458
I think you have bigger issues if you are upside down and being thrown around

>>35132250
poorfag lmao

>>35132407
205lbs of force would be straight vertical, so unless you need to get airlifted most material will survive.

I unironically like UCP (for raiding mommy's fridge). Were UCP Cryes ever produced? I could go for some pants.

>>35132482
Well, duh. I kind of get what he's saying. If it can retain the mag in such an outlandish and fucked situation, it's probably able to take whatever you can put it through. Still a good test, I'd say.

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>have chest rig
>Pretty minimalist desu
>Stick a grenade pouch with a 4.5"x5" smoke grenade on one side
>Keep it as far off to the side as I can so that I can lay down still without it getting in the way and I can still move my arm without hitting it
>Now my rig looks autistic because of the OWO huge bulge on one side
>Really don't want to move 'nade to by belt because my best is actually set up for camping and I don't need it on there
Wat do

>>35132407
>>35132292
>>35132111
>>35132052
Just rig a DARC strap like a normal person. The only real change you'll need to make is that you'll be slapping it on the back of the carrier with duct tape instead attaching it with one wrap looped through MOLLE.

>>35133107
Three choices:
>Just get a MOLLE pouch for the smoke and it won't look so retarded.
>add another ALICE pouch to the other side to balance it out
>accept that function trumps form and that it doesn't really matter anyway
Also, source on the chest rig. I like when the MOLLE webbing is a different color than the base fabric. Ranger green MOLLE on coyote tan fabric is the sexiest.

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>>35133146
Hey now, ALICE/MOLLE mix is what made the gulf war the most /fa/ conflict since WW1 and I will not apologize for that. God bless ALICE to MOLLE adapters.

Also: https://www.strikehardgear.com/ak-47-chest-rig/

Careful though. I really love mine and have had no issues with it in two years but another Anon on here had one with a lot strap self loosening problems.

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>>35133146
Forgot to mention, after a week of searching I only found one $30 grenade pouch that might* be big enough to fit one of these poor man's M18s so I rejoiced when I came across something that fit them perfectly.

Link related:
http://www.uniteduniform.com/protech-single-grenade-pouch-tp15/

Alright. Is it safe to attach a personal retention lanyard to a rigger's belt being used with a MOLLE sleeve, or does it have to be rigger's belt worn in your pants? I don't expect to be riding in helicopters or anything because I'm a civilian. I just want to wear my gear correctly when I have sex in it.

>https://discord.gg/AXeU64
It's still not fucking working reeeee

>>35133536
>minimalist in everything including your med kit
>mag loader for a glock mag when the mags are already easy as shit to load
>doesn't even invest in a good mag loader its the shitty one that comes with the fucking lock
>Rhodesia Patch AND SS skull and bones for ultimate cringe
>non-matching AR mags

I hope you at least have the entire basement to yourself in your mother's house.

>>35133039
Yes, for SF CIF/CRF teams. They're rare and expensive though.
>>35133346
"Good"

>>35127475
What PC is that, senpai?

>>35131571
Any idea what chest rig that is?

>>35132179
This actually looks pretty comfy. If you changed out the holster to something better and swapped for OD pouches, it'd be 10/10.

>>35133934
I need a different holster.

Everything else I own is coyote.

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>plates
>2017
>not wanting speed holes
It's like you fags hate being aerodynamic.

>>35133979
I figured since you wanted a new belt. Just saying that OD modern pouches in your configuration on an ALICE belt would look pretty high speedy. Most ALICE including setups look like poorfag or old-fat-guy memes, but being so small and light yours looks nice.

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>>35132957
>not being ready to be Fultoned at any time
E-rank spotted

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>>35131902
>What camo is that combat shirt?
Rhodie

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>>35134338
Fucking neat.

>>35133126
Any how to's? Google images isn't being very illuminating.

>>35134462
Look up DARC strap on youtube. Some SF guy has a tutorial. Also one on retention lanyards

techinkom 6b45 is cheap and looks siiiiick

is it good?

>>35128511
Fuggin HornDogg...

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>>35134516
Requires rear molle unfortunately. Thank you though.

>>35134747
>he doesn't have rear molle

>>35127754

I mean its still authorized for wear with OCP for the army. (belt, boots, and shirt have to all be tan if worn)

That said fuck the webbing belt for wear with anything besides uniform, it doesn't support holsters or anything you clip on it well.

>>35134772
That's why the real niggas get an actual riggers belt

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>>35135248

>>35131571
Three AR mags, three 1911 mags, a huge IFAK, additional medical shit shoved in miscellaneous pouches, 2L hydration carrier, and a radio. It's not too bad until the 8hr mark or so.

>>35135261
Where's the detonator?

Who makes a good micro chest rig that wont break the bank (200 or less)

Mostly just want it for a few AR mags, IFAK, knoife.

>>35135884
Tac tailor micro mav

>>35135899

Was actually just looking through thwir catalog. Def one I'll have to look more into, thank you.

>>35134636
Yes

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>>35132782
Hey I can out more money towards ammo

I-if I could afford it

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>>35135884
Chinese SKS chest rig and take an existing belt for the rest.


Also I have an eagle industries land CIRAS.
Tell my why it's shit, /gqg/

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>>35127464

>>35136256
Because you have it

>>35136257
>cheese

Fucking frog

>>35136257
is that plce?

>>35136318
???

>>35136366
No it's my personal harness from the swiss army (GTE 90)

>>35136257
Sell me some taz 90. Or better yet, find me a desert uniform and sell it to me.

I'm 100% serious. I need some swiss desert camies.

>>35135884
BFG micro rack on sale
Russian MBC D3
Spiritus Systems

>>35135884
LV-MBAV

>>35136422
It's barely impossible for us to have desert taz 90. The only soldiers that are issued one are those who go to kosovo etc

>>35128363
It's a Raid modded BDU

>>35132280

At that price point I wouldn't be too asshammered over it though. Like many anons have said, one day you can get better plates and turn your AR500 plates into targets.

Truth be told if someone just bought an empty plate carrier and didn't have the budget for good plates, I would be inclined to say spend $12 on the airshit foam dummy plates to hold the carrier's shape while you save up money, as opposed to scraping up 50% or more of what a good set of plates would cost.

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>>35135884
If you want a Ruskie D3cr I got you bb

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>>35127464
How autistic is it for me to wear my crye while helping clean up after Irma

>>35136783
a lot

>>35128124
Most likely a NLTactical one. That shop is shipping massive orders of their own made combat shirts to the Marines

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>>35129131
>HSGI Woosatch A
I think thats it

>>35136257
Are you actually swiss?

>>35128649
>Being outshot by someone 1/4 of your size.

>>35134338
>5'11" vs 6'

>>35137090
Yes

>>35127464
Anyone know where I can find ACU/uniform style (as in the cut) tactical clothes but in a solid color?

Best I can find is BDU style. Tru-Spec used to make them but stopped.

>>35136783
It's more autistic to give a shit about someone's clothing while working to clean up after a natural disaster

>>35133820
Crye jpc

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What do you guys keep in your FAK?
>3 petroleum dressings
>1 roll of coban
>1 roll of paper tape
>1 roll of clear medical tape
>assorted 4 x 4 and 2 x 2 gauze
>assorted abdominal pads
>2 triangle bandages
>IV start supplies (2x of everything such as catheters, venous TQs, saline flushes, leur locks)
>CAT TQ
>Sharpie
>Trauma Shears

Bonus points if anyone can tell me what the sharpie is for

>>35137601
drawing dicks on your squad leader's forehead cause from your IFAK list you have no training or were given your IFAK SOP from the most retarded medic in the whole military

>>35136783
no, probably the most "realistic" use you will get out of them

i'm not the biggest gear queer, but am i a sperg if i mix surplus leather mag pouches and stuff with tacticool bags, etc? i like ww2/cold war stuff and don't really dig all the velcro mag pouches and crap.

>>35136783
just enjoy the spergyness.

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So the powers out, guys were going around here in power company unis and robbing people at gunpoint.

People claiming the storm wasn't powerful are full of shit

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>>35136783
We know thats you Nick

>>35128177
That is one chilled bottle of Jim Beam. I bet it has the consistency of syrup.

>>35137601
Get medical super glue

>>35135884
Uw gear minuteman.
>>35134314 is me and it's very well built

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>>35138140

>>35138159
>wendy
>backwards flag
Yep checks out

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>>35128758
Pub sub/10 tier meme

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Buying holster for my FNS
i've narrowed it down to 4, because they all seem just about the same.
>http://www.multiholsters.com/shop/outside-the-waistband-holsters/2-in-1-multi-holster/
cool reversible
>https://blackrhinoconcealment.com/tcs/tcs-tactical-carry-system-fn-holster
showed up on my facebook feed
>https://clingerholsters.com/product/no-print-wonder-holster/
is a crab
>https://trex-arms.com/store/nomad-holster/
really cool guy stuff, only 1 belt clip

Are aliengear good? they seem to cheap to be good

>>35132190
6354DO

Ok, what's a decent bump helmet that's like around $100? Does one even exist?

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>>35132230
Looks nice how it do with the heavier fabrics?

>>35138452
is that IRT repro or actual sso

>>35138480
It's an second hand IRT

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>>35138313

What's a good pouch for a minimalist IFAK?

Something along the lines of 1 Israeli bandage, a roll of tape, a roll of regular bandage, gloves, shears, and some disinfectant, maybe band aids if there's room.

Speaking of which, for giving someone untrained in first aid how useful is a pair of chest seals? I'm guessing minimally...

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>>35138441
Pro-tec helmets, if you don't mind strangers asking you about your Black Hawk Down cosplay

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>>35138872
Grey Ghost Gear Slim Medical Pouch

>>35138872
>>35139266
Also chest seals are almost retard proof, it's basically a peal and stick ordeal. Needle chest decompression is another story...

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>>35138929
They suck dick for mounting NODs on and the retention on them also sucks.
>>35139266
Do you have experience with one or are you just suggesting them? Because all of the grey ghost pouches i've seen have been shit

>>35139327
No experience but I've heard good things about GGG from friends who bought their packs so I figured it was g2g. Mind telling me what specifically made you think they were shit (i.e. bad stitching, crappy zippers, etc.)

>>35139374
Mag pouches were sewn so out of spec that getting a GI mag into them was nearly impossible.

>mag pouch
>cant hold mag
Not sure what their endgame is

>>35139298

So then... generally speaking how fast does the onset of chest decompression being necessary happen?

Would it be a retard proof addition to put chest seals in the kit with the instruction to stick these motherfuckers ASAP in case of a chest wound?

You'll have to forgive me if I'm asking dumb questions here, I'm totally new and looking at taking a basic first aid course.

>>35139441
If you need experience then look into your local red cross office or maybe even fire departments and hospitals for first aid classes and such. I don't think chest seals require printed directions since all you have to remember is to make sure the entire wound is covered and to check for and exit wound. As far as the chest decompression thing goes, you may never have to use one even with penetrating trauma to the chest, or you may need one right away. It all depends on if the patient is showing signs of tension pneumothorax or not. TPT is so dangerous because air gets trapped in the plural space of the chest cavity and actually causes the collapsed lung to get pushed into the heart until it impedes blood flow to the body causing death. The speed in which this happens varies greatly between types of chest wounds (open or closed) amongst other things. Keeping and NCD in your IFAK and having the knowledge to use it can be the difference between life and death.

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>>35132179
>p226
>not using safariland ALS
>not using mec gar 18rd mags

nigger what are you doing?

>>35136232
mad props for going for the ALICE/LBV and owning it

>>35137930
saw some opportunists here too

>>35139434
Well that's shitty. Guess I'll keep looking for a slim IFAK. I was looking at theirs because it's only two Molle rows wide but has enough space for all of the basic IFAK contents and molle on the side to play BFG TQ strap.

>>35137676
Right about the dicks, wrong about the training. I probably see more trauma patients per year than you do. Also, my kit isnt complete yet, still a work in progress.

>>35139981
aight have fun packing a wound with 2x2" gauze pads

>>35139993
>Not seeing the gauze pads and abd pads
What do you think we use on the ambluance retard? The 2 x 2 are for small lacs. 4x4 and abd pads are for larger ones.

>>35139993
Also, "packing a wound" isn't in my protocols. Direct pressure, elevation, hemostatic agents and TQ use are.

>>35140007
>thinking u can pack a pelvic GSW with a bunch of gauze pads
nigga, the surgeons are gonna have a great time pulling out all 20 you need to stop a femoral bleed

>>35140039
so basically your protocols are 10 years out of date and have nothing to do with CoTCCC's guidelines

>>35140064
My protocols are actually pretty progressive, but if you think you can carry enough trauma dressings in a personal IFAK to pack a wound like that, you are sorely mistaken. They dont need just packing, they need surgery and a helicopter to a trauma center. My IFAK is set up based in my state EMS protocols because unlike most of you neckbeards, should I need to use it, I am licensed, certified and endorsed by an MPD to do so, hence why shit that doesnt follow state law wont be in my kit.

>>35140064
What else do you pack it with dipshit?

>>35139628
>18rd mags
wanna send me some then?

>>35133220
Where to cop grenade? I could only find for law enforcement use.

>>35140120
>My IFAK is set up based on a gut feeling that some people just deserve to bleed to death

>>35140163
Sorry I am legally bound to follow my state EMS protocols. Me acting out of protocol means I get my license revoked or jail time. Stop watching so much youtube, it makes you think you are an expert in something you are not. Have you ever even seen a GSW in person before?

>>35140120
>if you think you can carry enough trauma dressings in a personal IFAK to pack a wound like that, you are sorely mistaken
tell that to CoTCCC and the hundreds of soldiers, marines, and sailors that have done it overseas.

>They dont need just packing, they need surgery and a helicopter to a trauma center
if you have the medical background you claim, it should be obvious that the vast majority of the people wounded that seriously would be dead before the bird even lands

>>35140139
fucking folded gauze like https://www.narescue.com/nar-s-rolled-gauze. CoTCCC says start with hemostatic gauze, backfill with regular gauze if bleeding doesn't stop

>>35140205
They are packing regular gauze, or folded gauze. Its the same shit and works just the same. I literally said I carry gauze in my kit. National EMS standards will even say to pack with regular gauze LIKE I HAVE IN MY FUCKING KIT.

Vast majority dead before a bird lands? Keep talking out of your ass. We are still going to launch airlift get them to us. My nearest trauma center is 2 hours away by road, 40 minutes by air. Our helicopter can be as close as 25 minutes away or over an hour. If the patient dies before then, nothing we could do would save them. No amount of packing is going to save someone who dies before the 40 minute flight to the trauma center even arrived, if they died that soon they were going to die regardless of our interventions.

Have you ever treated a gunshot would before?

>>35140274
>They are packing regular gauze, or folded gauze. Its the same shit and works just the same.
if you think packing with 2x2" or 4x4" pads is the same as packing folded gauze, you're retarded and you should have your license revoked.

>National EMS standards
that's your problem

>My nearest trauma center is 2 hours away by road, 40 minutes by air. Our helicopter can be as close as 25 minutes away or over an hour. If the patient dies before then, nothing we could do would save them.
nigger someone can die in that time from a traumatic amputation or severed femoral artery. all things you can treat with the most basic interventions the US military teaches to the most retarded grunts.

>Have you ever treated a gunshot would before?
yes and it wasn't a shitty .32 like you probably did

>>35140120
> if you think you can carry enough trauma dressings in a personal IFAK to pack a wound like that, you are sorely mistaken.

Two packs of H&H gauze and a stack of 4x4s is all you really need.

>They dont need just packing, they need surgery and a helicopter to a trauma center.

Correct.

My IFAK is set up based in my state EMS protocols

So what, you carry a BVM and an oxygen tank? Come on most EMS calls are for granny's COPD. This is obviously a thread dedicated to tactical equipment and the medical gear people select is for treating gun shot wounds and other major bleeding. Not taking crack-heads down town because they cant afford a taxi.

TCCC is the gold standard for treating combat casualties. GOOD medical advice (for our purposes) can be found in the TCCC protocols available at this link.

http://www.itstactical.com/medcom/tccc-medcom/2014-tccc-tactical-combat-casualty-care-guidelines/

>>35140205
Also
>quoting CoTCCC guidlines
I dont follow their guidelines, I follow my national, state and local EMS protocols and guidelines like required by law. Because I'm not some larper pretending to play soldier. My trauma kit goes with me when I'm driving or is kept at home or gets used when I'm shooting. It's not for some SHtF fantasy where I'm fighting muslims or da gubment.

>>35140163
extreme kek

>>35140322
Stacks of 4x4s like I fuckind said were in my kit initially and bitched at for. And I'm not taking my kit for medical calls, it's for trauma, but its set up based on shit I'm allowed to use.

>>35140322
And I get that they lead in casualty care, our SWAT medics use their guidelines, that doesnt mean I can break protocol because an organization I'm not bound to abide by said to do something regardless of how right it is.

>>35140274
Tourniquets are literally the only way to staunch bleeding. Gauze is for niggers and britbongs. Where's your trauma certificate you fuck?

>>35140325
>My trauma kit goes with me when I'm driving or is kept at home or gets used when I'm shooting.
>I refuse to use the protocols tested and proven in what amounts to the world's biggest trauma lab because I'm a cuck even though the injuries im trying to treat are the exact same

>>35140345
you're missing the H&H folded gauze, the most important part.

>>35140345
Well that wasn't me. 4x4s are a huge staple of modern emergency medicine and anyone who doesn't have them should reconsider it.

>>35140322
>gun shot wounds
gauze pads and bandages will fix 99% of gun accidents well enough to keep the guy from bleeding out until the ambulance arrives

someone getting a .22 to the foot because he bubba'd out a little too hard doesnt require a jubilee clamp around the thigh

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>>35140367
>Tourniquets are literally the only way to staunch bleeding.
>puts TQ on shoulder wounds
>puts TQ on groin wounds

>>35140308
I know someone can die retard, and again the interventions are basic, but if they fucking die before the chopper gets there, they weren't going to make it regardless. Tailor your gear for your needs. Do what you want faggot. My gear is tailored to my training, needs and guidelines I'm legally held to.

>>35140372
I refuse to use protocols that I am not legally bound to use fuckface. If I break protocol I can get my license revoked and get in major shit. What part of that do you not fucking understand?

>>35140372
Clearly you have no understanding of medical legal issues or you understand he cant just follow what they do unless his MPD says so.

>>35140416
>someone getting a .22 to the foot because he bubba'd out a little too hard doesnt require a jubilee clamp around the thigh

Correct. But this is a thread about plate carriers dude. Thats obviously a mis-characterization of my argument.

We are talking about life threatening trauma here.

>>35140418
It is literally the best way. Have YOU ever bled in your life? A tourniquet is the only way. Fucking noguns britbong faggot.

>>35140420
>if they fucking die before the chopper gets there, they weren't going to make it regardless
fucking bullshit. There are many many cases of people surviving completely severed arteries or multiple amputations because of modern TCCC protocols

>I refuse to use protocols that I am not legally bound to use fuckface. If I break protocol I can get my license revoked and get in major shit. What part of that do you not fucking understand?
the part where you moved the goalposts from your way being the best way, to your way being the inferior state mandated protocol that doesn't take into account any of the wartime trauma experiences we've had

>>35140434
you missed the "because i'm a cuck" part of the greentext

>>35140441
No, TQs are way over used. Direct oressure and elevation will stop almost all bleeding. Only when that fails (or you have a ucking squirting arterial bleed) should you use a TQ

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>>35140154
The CS grenade? You can't get them unless you're LEO. I was going to use the pouch to carry some MK8 smoke signals that act in a similar fashion to M18s but with the obvious downsides that come with being commercial grade instead of combat grade.

That being said, for fucking around at meets or poor man's smoke grenade they work just fine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEAffXvNBdE

>>35140447
>the chopper
This. Choppers take a long time to arrive. Medevac can be slow sometimes... I've learned...

>>35140461
Lol. Are you a trauma care technician you dumb cuck? Post your certifications. NOW.

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>>35140441
aight come put this CAT tourniquet on my junctional wounds

>>35140447
I never said my way was the best way, I just said yours isnt the only way. I am familiar with TCCC to an extent, but working on an ambulance and living where I work, means I have no choice but to be a "cuck" because my MPD and state MPD have set the rules for us. Breaking those is not an option.

>>35140461
Leave. Immediately. You don't know what you're talking about.

>google boston bombing

>_>

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>>35140479
This good enough for "certifications"?

>>35140488
Post. Your. Certifications. NOW.

>stupid bong btfo

>>35140490
What state do you live in? I want to google your protocols.

Im almost sure they have adopted at least some elements of TCCC into their state protocols.

>>35140440
>We are talking about life threatening trauma here.
This. SHTF is real and it is happening in some places, and it will spread. People get shot and people DIE because of fuckers like >>35140418 >>35140461 >>35140488 who don't know real medicine because they are retarded bongs. Have fun with all your imported muslims chopping your head off. I'm sure a stupid piece of gauze will fix it. :)

>>35140510
Literally when they were used correctly. You must forget the times where dumb ass jim bob cuts his hand on the farm and ties a TQ, or when some dipshit with an amputated toe puts on high and tight on his thigh. Most TQs that get applied by bystanders are placed when indications arent met and direct pressure hasnt been tried.

>>35140516
Wow nice watch you dumb cuck. So hard to pose some LITERAL BANDAIDS and tiny empty bottles next to some random steel plating. Wow. You bought some stuff off the internet. I'm so impressed. Have fun, Abdul Jabar. :)

>19:31
>that time
>not 7:31
eurocuck detected. KYS bongfaggot.

>>35140525
WA. TCCC has been adopted in may places, but in my specific county only SWAT medics are the ones using it. It's slowly getting phased in to local EMS here.

>>35140490
>I never said my way was the best way, I just said yours isnt the only way.
yeah, that's what your condescending tone says. just keep backpedaling as i literally tell you exactly what CoTCCC figured out a long time ago

>My protocols are actually pretty progressive, but if you think you can carry enough trauma dressings in a personal IFAK to pack a wound like that, you are sorely mistaken.
>unlike most of you neckbeards, should I need to use it, I am licensed, certified and endorsed by an MPD to do so
>Keep talking out of your ass.
>Have you ever treated a gunshot would before?

>>35140519
sorry bud, they don't hand out CoTCCC cards at CLS training

>>35140530
why is it so hard for you to understand you can't put a TQ on a guy's groin. I'm not saying you shouldn't use TQs. the gauze is for if you CAN'T use the TQ.

>>35140538
You have never bled in your life. A tourniquet is the FASTEST and MOST EFFECTIVE way to stop bleeding. """direct pressure""" will totally stop an arterial bleed, I'm sure. Try it on yourself right now. Record it for us faggot bong. :)

>>35140546
>$30,000 cardiac monitor
Ahh so you are trolling. Nice to know this board still has shitposters

>>35140560
tell me again how you're gonna put your ordinary TQ onto a pelvic wound

>>35140554
Gauze is worthless. TQs are the only decent way to treat cuts. Sorry you're stuck in the 1600s, Nigel. Maybe you should concentrate on first aid for your teeth, Nigel.

>>35140560
I've actually stopped multiple arterial bleeds with direct pressure and elevation. All of them on upper extremities.

>>35140572
You cinch it above the wound to stop the blood flow. I guess you never learned that you neverserved POG piece of shit.

>>35140584
>no pics, no vids, no certs, no nothing
And I'm the King of England. I think that means you have to shut up and stop challenging me, Nigel. :)

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>>35140575

>>35140593
>above the wound
do you know what a pelvis is?

>>35140553
Yeah. Same. The SWAT medics here use TCCC protocols word for word. Im sure a lot of them are vets that had CLS course at some point too. Our state protocols here have had all the lessons from TCCC worked into our trauma management approach. They don't come out and name it, but the word choice is too similar to deny.

>>35140554
My tone is directed at everyone because of how many faggots who are not even certified in trauma care want to come and talk shit about how my IFAK that is a work in progress is set up without thinking about the legal reasons as to why it is the way it is. Post suggestions sure, but dont be a dick. Its not even done. Last IFAK thread I had basic first aid CPR faggots thinking they know more than someone who actually does this for a living.

>>35140519
>>35140530
>>35140560
>>35140593
Where did he say he was British?

>>35140616
>dont be a dick
already violated your own guidance

>>35140606
Do you? Where's your medical training? Cut off the blood flow to stop the bleeding. It is the best way, and the only way.

>>35140616
>Last IFAK thread I had basic first aid CPR faggots thinking they know more than someone who actually does this for a living.
This. Fucking bongs keep shitting on us actual Devil Dogs and EMTs and LEOs even though they've never seen a cut in their lives.

Bin that scalpel, Nigel, you fucking cuck. Wouldn't want to get arrested by the police for having an unlicensed piece of medical equipment. :)

>>35140629
I replied as a dick because some asshole was condescending and implied 4x4 gauze is inadequate when it is a gold standard in EMS trauma care

>>35140616
>CPR faggots
Why do they think their opinion matters? CPR doesn't even work. You have to intubate to clear their airway or use electricity to jump start them again...

>>35140648
>4x4 gauze is inadequate
It is though. How is it going to stop a catastrophic hemorrhage?

>>35140657
It's not going to stop catostrophic bleeding. Thats what the TQ is for.

>>35140648
that asshole was me and 4x4 gauze is clearly inadequate if you're packing a guy's copiously bleeding pelvic wound

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>>35140657
>How is it going to stop a catastrophic hemorrhage?

With direct pressure. Or a tourniquet if appropriate.

>>35140416
>someone getting a .22 to the foot because he bubba'd out a little too hard doesnt require a jubilee clamp around the thigh
.22 bounces around inside the body though. You should TQ it just to be safe.

>>35140673
So why even carry the gauze at all? It's wasted grams that you could use for more TQs.

>>35140685
Multiple 4x4 will do the same fucking thing as folded gauze. Do you just think the materials are magic or something?

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There are too many people here. I have no idea who is who. Its like a 3+ way argument.

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>>35140694
>With direct pressure.
No. Have you ever seen an arterial bleed? A flimsy little band-aid is not going to stop that. You need a TQ, or to directly clamp arteries if you can.

>>35140694
>holding direct pressure the whole way all the way to the hospital
nigger read your own flowchart, it says to pack with hemostatic and apply pressure dressing if it's not a open chest or abdominal wound. AKA the same shit CoTCCC says, with regular gauze backing up the hemostatics if you need more pressure.

>>35140703
why don't you think about how much volume of gauze is in a few 4x4 pads vs a single packet of s-fold gauze with 4.5" by 4.5 yards of gauze

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>>35140703
>4x4 will do the same fucking thing as folded gauze.

Its not as good as H&H for finger fucking into a gun shot wound. Its good for applying direct pressure over the top of the wound though.

If the wound is deep, you may need to apply suction (using a straw or reed if nothing else is available), or worse, dig any dung or dirt out of the wound with whatever is availible. (Make sure whatever you use to remove the filth is sterile, even if you only wash your hands before digging it out with a fingernail)

Of course, none of that means anything if you can't stop the bleeding. In order to staunch the flow of blood, make sure to tie a tourniquet tightly. (Some people say you shouldn't tie it too tight cause you will get gangrene, but they've never seen anyone about to bleed out. You can loosen it later, in an hour or two)

If a tourniquet doesn't work, use fire. Give you're patient something to bite onto. If they pass out from shock, they might die, so do everything in your power to keep them conscious. You may need to cauterize an artery or vein directly, or seal it off with a clamp, especially if its a leg wound.

>>35132208
What about ar500 level 4 plates?

>>35137601
Since no one else replied, for putting the time for when the TQ was applied.

>>35140747
Worth even less

>>35140752
i just write it in period blood, really gets attention

>>35140752
It doesn't matter when it was applied, it's perfectly safe to leave a TQ on someone.