Hi /k/ommandos, I need your wisdom. I recently found this thing

>>35124559
That's just a Mosin-Nagant.

>>35124559
There never was a 1888 Mauser dipshit. Read a book you stupid nigger.

Yea man that's just what's left of a mosin. The best you can do with it is donate it to a museum.

>>35124567
That was enlightning.

>>35124561
>>35124571
Kay, thanks for the answer. I'm not a weapons connoisseur, I simply stumbled on this old thing and got curious enough to ask about it.

Dont take it personal OP, your post kind of sounds like bait.
In anycase, if you cant open the bolt, assume its loaded. Can the bolt open? Try speating some lube on it.
Post some pics of the receiver, top of the gun behind the rear sight. This will help further identify specifically what it is.

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take it apart

throw the stock away

steel wool the metal till it shines

soak the shit in oil

buy new stock

sell it to a retard

>>35124559
I would probably pull the action out, trash the stock and soak what's left in atf for month or so, like submerge it in a tub.

Then after that, brake clean the oil off of everything, dissasembly, start using copper wool (or fine steel if the rust is that bad) to remove rust. Basically just try to remove rust and not finish (might not even matter honestly, if there is enough gun left you are probably going to reblue it anyway)

Then once everything is clean you can inspect the barrel and see if it still has any rifling, or just bring the action to a gunsmith and ask him.


If it survives, buy a new wood stock on the interweb or a tacticool stock or whatever and enjoy your gun.


It's probably a gonner though, but you never know.

>>35124561
It's an M38.

>>35124559
Soak the screws in penetrating oil before you do ANYTHING.

RIP being a first pattern M38 stock. Not very common at all.

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>>35124609
Here you go. Rest assured, no bait. Like i said, I know almost nothing about weapons. A Mosin makes sense since I found the gun in Spain and my great grandfather fought in the Spanish Civil war in the republican side. I'll try to lube the bolt as well, it moves a bit but I can't open it.

>>35124627
>>35124632
Thanks for the tips.

>>35124671
Probably still works. Just give it some vodka.

>>35124559
where did you pull the "mauser 1888" concept of? Mabe talking out of your ass without even given the most superflous search?
You are the worst kind of ignorant...the one that thinks he knows something

Just ask what is this shit i found

>>35124671
dont you touch it... take it to a gunsmith you are not a gunsmith.. you have fucko experience with stuff like this..

This is a family heirdom take care of it do not refinish it nor take a steel wool take it to soemoen who knows and cares about its history

Your grandad was a great man youll never be

>>35124671
The Soviet Union did not send any M38 carbines to the Republicans in the SCW. It wasn't even in production until 1939.

Drop some penetrating oil onto the screw heads and let it soak in overnight before you try to turn any screw head.

If you rub some oil on top of the barrel behind the rear sight you should be able to see the date and serial number.

>hur there were no mauser 1888s
.... What?

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=646

http://www.texastradingpost.com/m88/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewehr_1888


?

But yes OPs rifle is definitely a mosin. Looks like a plain old mosin. I don't know where >>35124711 got the 'm38' from but that is most definitely not one.

>>35124671
Are there any markings that you can see there? Between the rear sight and where the bolt goes into the gun.
It looks like the bolt isnt cocked, but just to be extra safe, keep it pointed in away from anything important, like people and animals at all times.
If it were me, id spray the shit out of the metal parts with CLP, let it sit a little while and muscle the bolt open

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Oiled it, greased it, bolt open. Chamber empty, no bullet.

>>35124709
I know what my ancestor did, I wasn't lucky enough to be born right before ths civil war, so no glory on the battlefield for me.

>>35124711
You tell me what model it is then

>>35124744
The GEW88 was never made nor designed by Mauser.

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>>35124753
The number engraved on the bolt is 172767, btw. The bolt slides okay.

>>35124760
They were just links from google anon I didn't even read.

Here is one for sale made by steyr
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-german-mauser-1888-commission-infantry-rifle-by-steyr?variant=26169839109

>>35124753
It's just an 91/30 anon. Mass produced and spread across the globe.

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>>35124753
>>35124765
It's a M91/30. Put some oil here and see what's there.

>>35124753
Thats good. I think the best next step is to go to youtube and watch some mosin 91/30 dissasembly videos. Take it apart and clean and lube as best you can. Dont use anything like steel wool, just rags, non chlorinated brake cleaner on metal parts only, and oil

>>35124753
see rifle is fine soak it in vegetable oil and it should smell like taco bell and be fine

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>>35124766
The 1888 is not a Mauser. It was never touched by Mauser. The first smokeless Mauser was the 1889 Belgian model. Pic related.

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The bolt now slides perfectly. The rifle still works, I hear a distinctive clicking sound after moving the bolt and pulling the trigger.

I know I sound like a kid speaking about guns, but truth is I never really used any firearm in my life. Like I said, I found this thing in my basement.

>>35124840
OP do what >>35124776 said and clean off that area with oil, you might have a neat manufacturer.

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Well, thanks for your replies, it's been quite instructing, I guess. I'll try and find a way to restore this gun sometime in the future, maybe finding a gunsmith so I don't fuck it up by doing something wrong.

>>35124890
>>35124840
The action may run but please make sure the barrel is unobstructed. With the bolt out shine a flashlight at the action while you look down the barrel.
You dont have to shine the light perfectly up the barrel as you will probably blind yourself, just hitting the inside of the action should make you able to see through the front of the barrel.

A lot of times with old rifles like this there will be some rust built up in the chamber which can cause some problems.

I would take it to a smith or use a light copper cleaning head to ensure the chamber was cleaned up. Probably dont shoot it until you know the wooden stock isn't rotted out either lmao

>>35124776
>>35124878
Shit, didn't notice your post. I'll clean it right away.

>>35124908
I don't plan to shoot right away, but I'll keep that in mind.

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>>35124840
It's a family heirloom at this point. I'm almost positive it can be fired, however, do not try to fire it in this state. I would clean everything properly and try to restore it as best you can, maybe take it to a proper place for firearms and have them do it properly. Maybe then if you wanted to fire it, it would be safer.
Also, I don't know about legality of you owning that today in Spain. That's another reason to not go and fire it somewhere, could be big shit for you from a legal point of view.
I have family in Spain (Cuban here with ancestors from Spain) who found a 1769's French flintlock pistol among their family things that they claimed was used in the civil war. I played with the thing and I'm convinced it can also fire. It says, "Manog Versailles" on the side, however the o and g on Manog are placed tightly together in a way where I'm guessing it's an o rather than an a.
Anyways, here's a pic of that for you anons.

>>35124760
Mauser did submit a design to the trials that the 1888 was selected at tho. I believe it would have been the 1889 Mauser that the Belgians ended up using.
He was actually pretty salty that the German military didn't select his design.

>>35124766
Fun fact about the ones made by Steyr: the gew 88 is a slightly modified copy of the mannlicher 93/95 turnbolt rifles. Steyr wasn't originally one of the contacted manufacturers of the gew 88, so they sued the German arms commission on copyright infringment, and so they were added later to the contract.

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>>35124929
Just a correction, I meant the FRENCH civil war. Here's another picture of it. Maybe some French anon can help me make sense of the writing on the side?

>>35124581
gew88/1888 commission rifles weren't designed or built by Mauser, they did steal a few mauser innovations though. ditch the stock or have it professionally fumigated it's loaded with at least powder post beetles and maybe worse stuff, and have an exterminate look at the joists in their basement before their house collapses.

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>>35124776
>>35124878

Here you go. There are more markings on the top part, but it's too rusted and small to decipher it.

>>35124964

You've got an Izhevsk-manufactured rifle

>>35124964
It was made in 1937 at Izhvesk arsenal.

>>35124559
BABAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA! THIS WHOLE THREAD IS BAIT

It's a dragoon 91/30

Well, it's pretty much only useful for practicing Mosin javelin throws.

>>35124952
Dude, it's a mosin. Clearly. And when it did have monetary value, it was very, very little.

>>35124929
>>35124948
Not French military, but I'm leaning towards it being a reproduction. The fit and finish around the trigger guard is suspect. I would expect it to be better made.

>>35125052
Thanks, I appreciate that, I know shit all about flintlocks so you telling me that really helps. I wish I could get definitive proof of it being a reproduction so I can let me family know that.

>>35124948
Pretty much says "made in Versailles"

>>35125071
Is there any proof marks, or any markings on the barrel?

>>35125071
Not the other anon, but look for manufacturing stamps. Usually the best way to determine if that's the real deal.

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>>35125090
Thanks.

>>35125102
>>35125106
Here's one pic of the markings.

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>>35125090
>>35125102
One more.

>>35124571
>Donating family guns to a museum

>>35125118
>>35125123
Those are Spanish proof marks. Spain didn't have proofing laws until the 1923. I think the U is the date, which would be 1950. As I suspected, it's a repro.

>>35125164
Thanks so much! I'll let them know next time I talk to them. One final question, would a repro gun like this one be made to fire or is it just a decorative gun?

>>35125198
There are repro guns just for decoration, but others that are meant to fire too. Yours is clearly the latter as it's been prooved.
If you get a flint and put it in the lock. And get some powder and ball (.44 is the caliber ball you would need) it would fire.
Make sure the powder is for rifles, not for pistols and get a wad or patch for between the bullet and powder and you'll be fine.

You can find out how to do this by googling. It is fun to shoot reproduction black powder guns.

>>35125198
Proofing marks usually signal that the gun is safe to shoot, but as any guy that bought a Khyber pass wall hanger could tell you, a proofmark doesn't guarantee anything.
But these look original, so you might try it yourself - just make sure to use the recommended amount of black powder and pull the trigger with a string.

>>35125239
>>35125255
>love for /k/ intensifies

Thank guys, on my next trip to Spain I'll see if I can fire it with a string from a safe distance. I'll document it and post it here.

>>35124571
They'll decide they don't like the look of it and donate it right back.

"Hurr I come to thee with a rusted out fucked up misidentified rifle with an innovative sight blocker bayonet!"
*door slams*

>>35124559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r1gzzRDg-s
Easy enough for a drunk Russian or Finn to do

>>35124964

The 1937 date is consistent with rifles sent to be used in the Civil War. Be sure to careful check the stock for any stamped markings.

Overall, you've just found a family heirloom with potentially interesting provenance. It may just be a Mosin, but it's a Mosin your grandfather may have carried in an important historical event.